Northern VA Meetings?

[Rick Miller]

Hi All,

My employer is willing to open up our facility in Reston,VA for BUG
meetings and I wanted to send out an email to gauge interest.

Since I live and work in VA, the trip to Maryland just doesn't work
well with my schedule. I am wondering if there are other members in
similar circumstances or even those from Maryland/DC that would have
interest.

--
Take care
Rick Miller

[Mike Erdely]

Hi, Rick,

I think it would be interesting to have you get organized with some
others in the NOVA area and see if we can't set up some kind of shared
meetings. We could try a conference call and maybe desktop sharing to
project slides.

-ME

[Robert Simmons]

On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Rick Miller <vmi...@hostileadmin.com> wrote:

I'm definitely interested. The trip to MD for meetings is essentially
impossible.

[Tom Rhodes]

I'm in Alexandria, and not completely sure how I
feel about Reston but it's more likely than MD.

Cheers,

--
Tom Rhodes

[Robert Simmons]

Arlington Central Library perhaps?

[Robert Simmons]

On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Rick Miller <vmi...@hostileadmin.com> wrote:

Another thing is that Reston for the Maryland people is just as bad as
where meetings are held right now in MD for people in VA.

How about we choose a location in DC? Perhaps the cap can be put back
in capbug?

[James Crutchfield]

I'm in Fairfax, and would love to see something closer!

JC

--

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[Mike Erdely]

On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Robert Simmons <rsim...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Another thing is that Reston for the Maryland people is just as bad as
> where meetings are held right now in MD for people in VA.
>
> How about we choose a location in DC?  Perhaps the cap can be put back
> in capbug?

Depending on where, I would be up for that.

-ME

[Johan Huldtgren]

> How about we choose a location in DC? Perhaps the cap can be put back
> in capbug?

since I live in downtown DC I would not mind this; as far as I can remember there have been two issues in the past: first finding a suitable location in the city, and second that historically much of the core of Capbug lives in Northern(ish) MD, making many of them unlikely to make the trek down to DC. If however we can draw in more people from NOVA I think it's worth exploring as an option.

.jh

[Robert Simmons]

Well, what are the criteria for a suitable location? Personally, I would think:

1) Metro nearby
2) Wifi
3) Screen for projections
4) Whiteboard/chalkboard
5) Tables/chairs
6) Sufficient electrical outlets
7) Good bar within a block radius

[Maki Kato]

Fellow Cap Bug members,

We can make available our conference room in the evening. It'll fit 20 people comfortably and has a projector, wifi etc. We are located in Crystal City across from Hyatt and is about a 20min max walk from the Metro. Parking on the street is usually not too bad at night.

I live in Alexandria and used to go to the meeting in Columbia, and still intend to one of these days but life circumstances have changed a bit...

I like the linked meeting idea too.

....maki....

[Robert Simmons]

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Maki Kato <mk...@digitalcommute.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Tom Rhodes <trh...@freebsd.org> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 8 May 2012 11:47:57 -0400
>>> Rick Miller <vmi...@hostileadmin.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> My employer is willing to open up our facility in Reston,VA for BUG
>>>> meetings and I wanted to send out an email to gauge interest.
>>>>
>>>> Since I live and work in VA, the trip to Maryland just doesn't work
>>>> well with my schedule.  I am wondering if there are other members in
>>>> similar circumstances or even those from Maryland/DC that would have
>>>> interest.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm in Alexandria, and not completely sure how I
>>> feel about Reston but it's more likely than MD.
>>
>> Arlington Central Library perhaps?

> Fellow Cap Bug members,
>
>  We can make available our conference room in the evening.  It'll fit 20 people comfortably and has a projector, wifi etc.  We are located in Crystal City across from Hyatt and is about a 20min max walk from the Metro.  Parking on the street is usually not too bad at night.
>
>  I live in Alexandria and used to go to the meeting in Columbia, and still intend to one of these days but life circumstances have changed a bit...
>
>  I like the linked meeting idea too.

Crystal City would be acceptable for me.

[Johan Huldtgren]

As is it for me.

.jh

[Mike Erdely]

On May 10, 2012 7:54 PM, "Johan Huldtgren" <johan+...@huldtgren.com> wrote:
> > Crystal City would be acceptable for me.
>
> As is it for me.

Not even a little for me.

[Devon H. O'Dell]

2012/5/10 Mike Erdely <mi...@erdelynet.com>:

The capitol region is large. Anywhere south of Columbia is
inconvenient. (Hell, even Columbia is inconvenient if I want parking
when I get home at night.) I'm all in favor of sharing a list and
organizing meetings I can't go to, but can view via some link. We have
presentation materials for people in our Columbia office that would be
ideal for groups meeting here; sounds like that is available in VA as
well.

Perhaps we should try that. Because I'm pretty sure half this list
isn't going to VA monthly, just like half this list isn't coming to
Columbia monthly :)

--dho

[Robert Simmons]

Columbia is too far away (http://g.co/maps/wp69w). It's an hour
outside the city at a good time (like 3am). I think we should try and
decide on a location that is within George Washington's ten mile
square. If not that, then somewhere inside the Beltway.

[Robert Simmons]

And, the Ubuntu LUG manages to have a meeting every week at Taste of
India in DC on Saturdays. We need to organize something like this.

[Robert Simmons]

Another option. Here is a FAQ about MLK library in DC and what is
available to groups that want to meet there:

http://goo.gl/z3sT1

[Devon H. O'Dell]

2012/5/10 Robert Simmons <rsim...@gmail.com>:

By "that," I meant attempting to set up the video conferencing bridge
since it sounded like there are places in DC/NoVA that have the
requisite "things." I'm not going to DC for these, ever and it sounds
like a fair number of people who are interested are also not coming to
Columbia for these ever. What's wrong with setting up the bridge? It
seems like the most reasonable thing to do.

--dho

[Robert Simmons]

I'm sorry. I didn't parse what you said correctly. I agree. Using
a/v conferencing we could have local meeting locations all connected.
I'm all for it.

If it's done this way, we just need to pick a date and time, then each
smaller group can work out where their part of the meeting will take
place.

I am available any week night after 6pm plus most times Saturdays as
long as the planned date is at least 2-3 weeks away so I can plan
around it.

[Tom Rhodes]

Just got back from BSDCan - sorry for the silence. The location in
Crystal city sounds great, I also like meet ups like this. Perhaps at
a rather quiet pub (so we can talk and get the space we need) or
some place to eat.

I'm trying to get back into BSD and it would be great to get something
like this going.

Another thought is just breaking these out to a NoVaBug and
MDBug or what not. I have some memory of this group being
that way originally before going to capbug, but this might be
better:

capbug - General mailing list to share events, chat, questions,
etc.

novabug - Northern VA area group,

mdbug - MD area group.

I'm only suggesting this because it seems the va people have
a hard time going to the md events and vice versa. Thoughts?

Thanks,

--
Tom Rhodes

[Rick Miller]

I'd like to thank everyone for the feedback that they have given.
Given this feedback, Reston is not ideal for a majority of NoVA
residents. However, I did want to offer that up since my employer was
willing to allow us to use the facilities. Like others, I am also
unwilling to travel far for a BUG meeting. We all know traffic in
this region is a real pain. I'm unlikely to venture much further
towards DC than Fairfax.

If anyone is interested in a Reston BUG, contact me directly and I'll
work on details given sufficient participation. If participation is
limited and we want to video-conference with CAPBUG, I'll work with
our A/V specialists to figure out our video/teleconferencing equipment
and make that happen

Another gentlemen also suggested separating the BUGs, which I don't
think is unreasonable. It appears that there might need to be another
degree of separation as some people (myself included) are unwilling to
travel to various locations even within Northern VA.

On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Rick Miller <vmi...@hostileadmin.com> wrote:

[Mike Erdely]

On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Tom Rhodes <trh...@freebsd.org> wrote:
> Another thought is just breaking these out to a NoVaBug and
> MDBug or what not.  I have some memory of this group being
> that way originally before going to capbug, but this might be
> better:
>
> capbug - General mailing list to share events, chat, questions,
> etc.
>
> novabug - Northern VA area group,
>
> mdbug - MD area group.
>
> I'm only suggesting this because it seems the va people have
> a hard time going to the md events and vice versa.  Thoughts?

Well, I've put a lot of work into building and maintaining CapBUG over
the years, so I don't really care for the idea of someone trying to
take it away from me.

CapBUG meetings are on the last Thursday of the month in Columbia
(except of course, this month). We can try to use the technologies
available to us to have the CapBUG meetings virtualized across
multiple locations in the Capital Area Region. But I do not have
plans to rename my BUG and give away CapBUG.

This month's meeting is Thursday, May 17 at 6:30 PM in Columbia. I'm
not sure if we will have something in place for remote meetings, but I
have been looking at options for future meetings.

-ME

[Robert Simmons]

I'm not interested in breaking up anything that you have worked on at
all. I think that there are enough of us in downtown DC and in NOVA
who want to participate in a BUG, but Columbia is unreasonably far
from Washington, DC to actually expect anyone from this part of the
area to actually be able to attend even one meeting.

I propose that nothing changes as far as your group is concerned.

I also propose that we form localized groups to meet at the same time as CapBUG.

There seem to be about 3 centers of gravity here:

Downtown DC
Arlexandria
South of the Beltway

Lets see if we can at least start with numbers. Who would attend
meetings at the following?
DC - MLK Library @ 6:30pm last Thursdays of the month
Arlexandria - Arlington Courthouse or Arlington Library @ 6:30pm last
Thursdays of the month
South of the Beltway - The Reston location proposed by another member
of the list @ 6:30pm last Thursdays of the month

Please respond to this, post and lets see if we can get something organized.

[Tom Rhodes]

On Tue, 15 May 2012 11:17:13 -0400
Mike Erdely <mi...@erdelynet.com> wrote:

> On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Tom Rhodes <trh...@freebsd.org> wrote:
> > Another thought is just breaking these out to a NoVaBug and
> > MDBug or what not.  I have some memory of this group being
> > that way originally before going to capbug, but this might be
> > better:
> >
> > capbug - General mailing list to share events, chat, questions,
> > etc.
> >
> > novabug - Northern VA area group,
> >
> > mdbug - MD area group.
> >
> > I'm only suggesting this because it seems the va people have
> > a hard time going to the md events and vice versa.  Thoughts?
>
> Well, I've put a lot of work into building and maintaining CapBUG over
> the years, so I don't really care for the idea of someone trying to
> take it away from me.

And who is that? Or is it just some idea you came up with after
I suggested something that worked a little better for people?

>
> CapBUG meetings are on the last Thursday of the month in Columbia
> (except of course, this month). We can try to use the technologies
> available to us to have the CapBUG meetings virtualized across
> multiple locations in the Capital Area Region. But I do not have
> plans to rename my BUG and give away CapBUG.

I won't be there, I don't much like the idea of it being the
bug of a single person instead of a group, and a petty snarky
reply to an honest solution to a real problem. But like you
said, it's your bug, that (IIRC) only a handful of people can
show up to, always in a location I ignore because it's beyond
my access. It is much easier for me not to attend and ignore
that it's happening rather than help find a place more
accessible to others. I thought it was cap bug, but I guess
it's more 'far from the capital in md bug' though, so if
a real cap bug does pop up, I'd be happy to give that a
shot.

Cheers,

--
Tom Rhodes

[Tom Rhodes]

I'd go to a bug meeting if it was really in the capital,
Alexandria is good too. There are a few pubs right on King
street that we could go afterword. I don't really know where
the Arlington courthouse is, but I just want to note that I
get home around 6PM so 6:30 might not be too easy. When I
was in Pittsburgh, the Linux meet up was always on Saturday
mornings. We could consider a weekend meet up as well. I
think, IIRC, the Linux ones around here are like that too.

Cheers,

--
Tom Rhodes

[Robert Simmons]

I do also like the idea of Saturdays. The Ubuntu LoCo meets weekly on
Saturday afternoons. Something like that would be great.

I suggested Arlington Courthouse, Arlington Library, and MLK Library
because we can get space with all the comforts that we need at any of
these locations, and there are bars around all three.

[Jason Dixon]

On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 01:28:42PM -0400, Tom Rhodes wrote:
>
> I'd go to a bug meeting if it was really in the capital,
> Alexandria is good too. There are a few pubs right on King
> street that we could go afterword. I don't really know where
> the Arlington courthouse is, but I just want to note that I
> get home around 6PM so 6:30 might not be too easy. When I
> was in Pittsburgh, the Linux meet up was always on Saturday
> mornings. We could consider a weekend meet up as well. I
> think, IIRC, the Linux ones around here are like that too.

FWIW Richard Bejtlich used to be active in the BSD community. If memory
serves they took a stab at a NoVA BUG years ago. You might want to bring
him in the loop on your efforts.

--
Jason Dixon
http://obfuscurity.com/
https://twitter.com/obfuscurity

[Devon H. O'Dell]

2012/5/15 Tom Rhodes <trh...@freebsd.org>:

> On Tue, 15 May 2012 11:17:13 -0400
> Mike Erdely <mi...@erdelynet.com> wrote:

Hey Tom,

>> On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Tom Rhodes <trh...@freebsd.org> wrote:
>> > Another thought is just breaking these out to a NoVaBug and
>> > MDBug or what not.  I have some memory of this group being
>> > that way originally before going to capbug, but this might be
>> > better:
>> >
>> > capbug - General mailing list to share events, chat, questions,
>> > etc.
>> >
>> > novabug - Northern VA area group,
>> >
>> > mdbug - MD area group.
>> >
>> > I'm only suggesting this because it seems the va people have
>> > a hard time going to the md events and vice versa.  Thoughts?
>>
>> Well, I've put a lot of work into building and maintaining CapBUG over
>> the years, so I don't really care for the idea of someone trying to
>> take it away from me.
>
> And who is that?  Or is it just some idea you came up with after
> I suggested something that worked a little better for people?

The greater capitol region does span outside of immediate DC suburbs,
and although one might argue whether Columbia isn't part of the
metropolitan area, it's more difficult to argue that it's not part of
the greater area. And CapBUG is the "Capitol Area BSD Users' Group,"
not the "Capitol BSD Users' Group." Have you been to BAFUG meetings?
The Bay Area is *huge* and depending where you are, it can take as
long (or longer) to get to one of these meetups. There's no need for
us to start a war here because an existing group in the region has a
name that might be overloaded (and would be more accessible if it was
not).

Also, I don't think Mike meant to be inflammatory here. He's been
running CapBUG for years and it has been closer to DC and farther from
DC as time has gone on. I'm sure he's invested significant time in
building a group that does meet under that name and communicate via
this list. I'd imagine most of us would have a similar reaction to a
suggestion that would require re-branding as "MDBUG" after creating
and running it as CapBUG for such a long time. I read it simply as
"the group is currently called CapBUG, and this is what we do."

Just as you may not have explicitly stated taking the name CapBUG and
current CapBUG resources away, he didn't explicitly state that you did
either. Relax.

>> CapBUG meetings are on the last Thursday of the month in Columbia
>> (except of course, this month).  We can try to use the technologies
>> available to us to have the CapBUG meetings virtualized across
>> multiple locations in the Capital Area Region.  But I do not have
>> plans to rename my BUG and give away CapBUG.
>
> I won't be there, I don't much like the idea of it being the
> bug of a single person instead of a group, and a petty snarky
> reply to an honest solution to a real problem.  But like you
> said, it's your bug, that (IIRC) only a handful of people can
> show up to, always in a location I ignore because it's beyond
> my access.  It is much easier for me not to attend and ignore
> that it's happening rather than help find a place more
> accessible to others.  I thought it was cap bug, but I guess
> it's more 'far from the capital in md bug' though, so if
> a real cap bug does pop up, I'd be happy to give that a
> shot.

I don't think these solutions are contradictory but orthogonal.
There's no reason we can't have multiple groups in the greater capital
area, communicating via this list and sharing presentations via some
video streaming session. (IIRC we had something like that in 2011 or
2010 where we had a remote presenter, and it worked fairly well.)

This seemed like an idea we could be amiable over. Why is this
suddenly not reasonable?

--dho

> Cheers,
>
> --
> Tom Rhodes

[Tom Rhodes]

On Tue, 15 May 2012 13:39:22 -0400

"Devon H. O'Dell" <devon...@gmail.com> wrote:

> 2012/5/15 Tom Rhodes <trh...@freebsd.org>:
> > On Tue, 15 May 2012 11:17:13 -0400
> > Mike Erdely <mi...@erdelynet.com> wrote:
>
> Hey Tom,

Long time, no chat. Hope you're well.

I really don't care much about what is or isn't considered
part of the region. Some people consider all the way up to
and including Baltimore to be part of the capital area. I
felt a rude response toward me, and I followed up in kind.
Personally, if I was on the other side, I wouldn't care,
let the people in one area meet where they want, form their
own group, whatever, especially if that's closer to them.

Cheers,

--
Tom Rhodes

[Devon H. O'Dell]

2012/5/15 Tom Rhodes <trh...@freebsd.org>:
> On Tue, 15 May 2012 13:39:22 -0400
> "Devon H. O'Dell" <devon...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> 2012/5/15 Tom Rhodes <trh...@freebsd.org>:
>> > On Tue, 15 May 2012 11:17:13 -0400
>> > Mike Erdely <mi...@erdelynet.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hey Tom,
>
> Long time, no chat.  Hope you're well.

Yes, that should be fixed :D

> I really don't care much about what is or isn't considered
> part of the region.  Some people consider all the way up to
> and including Baltimore to be part of the capital area.  I
> felt a rude response toward me, and I followed up in kind.
> Personally, if I was on the other side, I wouldn't care,
> let the people in one area meet where they want, form their
> own group, whatever, especially if that's closer to them.

Fair. I didn't read it that way, and I could see reading your post as
a suggestion to split up CapBUG (especially given the thread title).
It seems clear enough at this point that's not what you meant.
Similarly, I'd be surprised if he intended to discourage people from
forming their own BUGs.

[James Crutchfield]

FWIW, I am enthusiastic about shifting meeting times to the weekend. I live and work in Fairfax and Alexandria would be just fine as a meetup place, but Thursday nights at 6pm are way overbooked in this corner of the world. Seems like almost every interesting group meets at the same time on the same night. Additionally (and unrelated to this discussion), I'm far too chicken to explain to my wife why it's important she give up a highly-coveted wine date night so that her husband can go play with computers...

 

JC

[Robert Simmons]

On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 2:49 PM, James Crutchfield
<j...@jamescrutchfield.com> wrote:
> FWIW, I am enthusiastic about shifting meeting times to the weekend. I live
> and work in Fairfax and Alexandria would be just fine as a meetup place, but
> Thursday nights at 6pm are way overbooked in this corner of the world. Seems
> like almost every interesting group meets at the same time on the same
> night. Additionally (and unrelated to this discussion), I'm far too chicken
> to explain to my wife why it's important she give up a highly-coveted wine
> date night so that her husband can go play with computers...

I'm fine with Alexandria as well. So far there have been more people
talking about Alexandria than anywhere else. What is the proposed
location? I would rather get a small number of people together once
and then we can sort out changes as we go along.

[Tom Rhodes]

Perhaps that's the place then. There is a library on Duke,
and you mentioned several others. If it's not near metro,
I just care about parking availability. We can discuss
times after we have a location (which puts the horse before
the cart so to speak).

Cheers,

--
Tom Rhodes

[Tom Rhodes]

On Tue, 15 May 2012 14:42:21 -0400

"Devon H. O'Dell" <devon...@gmail.com> wrote:

> 2012/5/15 Tom Rhodes <trh...@freebsd.org>:
> > On Tue, 15 May 2012 13:39:22 -0400
> > "Devon H. O'Dell" <devon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> 2012/5/15 Tom Rhodes <trh...@freebsd.org>:
> >> > On Tue, 15 May 2012 11:17:13 -0400
> >> > Mike Erdely <mi...@erdelynet.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hey Tom,
> >
> > Long time, no chat.  Hope you're well.
>
> Yes, that should be fixed :D

Indeedy!

>
> > I really don't care much about what is or isn't considered
> > part of the region.  Some people consider all the way up to
> > and including Baltimore to be part of the capital area.  I
> > felt a rude response toward me, and I followed up in kind.
> > Personally, if I was on the other side, I wouldn't care,
> > let the people in one area meet where they want, form their
> > own group, whatever, especially if that's closer to them.
>
> Fair. I didn't read it that way, and I could see reading your post as
> a suggestion to split up CapBUG (especially given the thread title).
> It seems clear enough at this point that's not what you meant.
> Similarly, I'd be surprised if he intended to discourage people from
> forming their own BUGs.

Perhaps I could have used better wording, I guess splitting it
up wasn't a good choice, but more create to help involve the
other crowd. Anyway, it seems the VA folk might come up with
something and we could go from there. Cheers!

--
Tom Rhodes

[Robert Simmons]

I think having the location within a 5-10 minute walk from a Metro is key.

[Julian Zottl]

Agreed!
----
Julian

[Robert Simmons]

Ok. I've created a quick ballot on ballotbin.com. It has each of the
locations that have been put forward on the list since this thread
began. I don't have the address or directions for the Reston
location, but that can be easily changed. Also, there was never a
concrete location suggested for Fairfax, so I left it just as
"Fairfax". If someone wants to suggest an exact location in Fairfax,
I will change the ballot before the balloting period begins.

If you have additional location proposals, please send a message to
the list, and I will add them.

As it is right now, I have set the time period to begin at midnight
tonight and end Thursday at 17:00. This way there is still time to
modify the ballot before it starts, and the voting will end just
before the CapBUG meeting. That way announcements can be made there.

I have set the ballot to self-registration, so all you need to do is
visit the URL below, register, and vote.

The other ballot item is the day of the week. You may vote for two items.

Here are the details:
Bin Status: Waiting to open on 2012-05-16 at 00:00:00

Registration Notices: Voters can register at the url:
http://www.ballotbin.com/voterReg.php?b=33941

OR

by sending an email to: r...@ballotbin.com
with this number as the subject: 33941

[Robert Simmons]

Again, for the tl;dr people: this is a ballot to see what location/day
of the week people would like to have a BUG meeting around the
center/south.

Bin Status: Open until 2012-05-17 at 17:00:00

[Robert Simmons]

There are the results. It's a tie between Crystal City and Arlington
Central Library. Thursday is a clear winner for the day of the week.

I created a run-off for those two. It opens at 5pm today and runs all
weekend. Anyone is welcome to vote in this one, but it only has the
two finalists from the first.

Bin Status:
Waiting to open on 2012-05-18 at 17:00:00

Registration Notices:
Voters can register at the url:

http://www.ballotbin.com/voterReg.php?b=34095

OR

by sending an email to: r...@ballotbin.com

with this number as the subject: 34095

[Robert Simmons]

So, who up for coming to a meeting?

[Tom Rhodes]

On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 18:21:39 -0400
Robert Simmons <rsim...@gmail.com> wrote:

> So, who up for coming to a meeting?

I'd be up for it!

--
Tom Rhodes

[Robert Simmons]

On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Tom Rhodes <trh...@freebsd.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 18:21:39 -0400
> Robert Simmons <rsim...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> So, who up for coming to a meeting?
>
> I'd be up for it!

Heh, looks like it might just be you and me. People created a lot of
list traffic about this, but it seems like everyone lost interest.

[Tom Rhodes]

On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 16:24:45 -0400

Robert Simmons <rsim...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Tom Rhodes <trh...@freebsd.org> wrote:
> > On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 18:21:39 -0400
> > Robert Simmons <rsim...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> So, who up for coming to a meeting?
> >
> > I'd be up for it!
>
> Heh, looks like it might just be you and me. People created a lot of
> list traffic about this, but it seems like everyone lost interest.

Well, then it's just us, we can choose our own time and place lol.

--
Tom Rhodes