Roundup of Australia's latest cultural enrichment (bonus pic of a "person of colour" getting wrangled)

[Byker]

Now THIS is a picture worthy of a Pulitzer Prize:
https://tinyurl.com/yc8efgkz

How's that gun control working out for you, Aussies?
https://au.news.yahoo.com/vic/a/38412778/melbourne-police-officer-stabbed-by-gang-of-african-youths/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5217465/African-youths-surround-two-vehicles-bash-woman-steal-car.html

The chief cunt cuck in charge of Victoria police gives Africoonians a pass:
https://www.3aw.com.au/police-minister-this-is-not-just-an-african-youth-problem/

More of these "youths" destroyed a community center in just the latest
attack, making families afraid to come out of their homes:
https://www.facebook.com/7NewsBrisbane/videos/1771367366209441/

Jungle bunnies got upset because police wanted to show that they're
watching: https://tinyurl.com/y9k3mhvy

[Bad cop]

Byker was interrogated:

> Now THIS is a picture worthy of a Pulitzer Prize:

> http://tinyurl.com/yaldzute

Yeah! And just like this: <http://tinyurl.com/yc9o4932>

> How's that gun control working out for you, Aussies?

Apparently quite well: <http://tinyurl.com/zfpfqfh>

> Africoonians

WOW! How the stats speak for themselves:
According to Census figures, people born in Sudan make up about 0.1 per
cent of Victoria's population. The Kenyan-born population in Victoria is
about the half the size of the Sudanese-born population.

Serious assault
Alleged offender's country of birth 2014-15 2015-16 2016-17
Australia 1,699 1,576 1,462
New Zealand 87 75 91
Sudan 29 50 45
Kenya 4 10 15
Aggravated burglary
Alleged offender's country of birth 2014-15 2015-16 2016-17
Australia 182 504 540
New Zealand ≤ 3 6 28
Sudan 20 53 98
Kenya ≤ 3 17 20
Non-aggravated burglary
Alleged offender's country of birth 2014-15 2015-16 2016-17
Australia 2,166 1,670 1,773
New Zealand 32 33 69
Sudan 57 29 54
Kenya 10 ≤ 3 17
Motor vehicle theft
Alleged offender's country of birth 2014-15 2015-16 2016-17
Australia 2,021 2,211 2,078
New Zealand 63 141 151
Sudan 81 80 81
Kenya 5 35 21
Sexual offences
Alleged offender's country of birth 2014-15 2015-16 2016-17
Australia 317 379 361
New Zealand ≤ 3 8 ≤ 3
Sudan 5 9 6
All other countries 31 27 21

Source: Crime Statistics Agency (Victoria)

<http://tinyurl.com/ybdsuvsq>

--
Admission extracted!

[Petzl]

1980 before gun control 2017 after gun control
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DS5AlUGUQAA7_4C.jpg
--
Petzl
We are advised to NOT judge ALL Moslems by the actions of a few lunatics,
but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics.
Funny how that works.

[M.I.Wakefield]

"Petzl" wrote in message news:c1j25dpfpknqoqtmc...@4ax.com...

On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 14:04:48 -0600, "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:

You do know that the US murder rate is 4.5 times higher that Australia?
Right?

[Government Shill #2]

On Sun, 07 Jan 2018 09:23:11 +1100, Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 14:04:48 -0600, "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:
>
>>Now THIS is a picture worthy of a Pulitzer Prize:
>>https://tinyurl.com/yc8efgkz
>>
>>How's that gun control working out for you, Aussies?
>>https://au.news.yahoo.com/vic/a/38412778/melbourne-police-officer-stabbed-by-gang-of-african-youths/
>>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5217465/African-youths-surround-two-vehicles-bash-woman-steal-car.html
>>
>>The chief cunt cuck in charge of Victoria police gives Africoonians a pass:
>>https://www.3aw.com.au/police-minister-this-is-not-just-an-african-youth-problem/
>>
>>More of these "youths" destroyed a community center in just the latest
>>attack, making families afraid to come out of their homes:
>>https://www.facebook.com/7NewsBrisbane/videos/1771367366209441/
>>
>>Jungle bunnies got upset because police wanted to show that they're
>>watching: https://tinyurl.com/y9k3mhvy
>>
>>
>1980 before gun control 2017 after gun control
>https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DS5AlUGUQAA7_4C.jpg

Hahahahahahahahaha!

The car in your picture is from the English TV show Heartbeat, filmed in
Goathland, North Yorkshire.
http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-ford-anglia-police-car-in-goathland-north-yorkshire-england-31816583.html

Shill #2
--
Rational arguments don't usually work on religious people. Otherwise, there
wouldn't be religious people. - Doris Egan

[Mulroney's Folly]

It's bad enough you are hopelessly ADDICTED to US politics, but your
propensity to outright LIE about them is sinful!

Is there any other thing in your head aside from AMERICAN politics?

Anything at all??????

Grow a life, at least pretend to act like a patriotic Canucklehead (if
there is such a thing).

You ignore your own simple peaceful nation, then absorb your mind into ours.

Literally you dismiss your own walk-in beer cooler of a country as
insignificant to the point you almost completely refuse to even engage
in commentary or analysis of your own politics.

You evince the classic Canuck "widdle brudda" mentality, always chasing
after the USA in a desperate attempt to coattail onto OUR national affairs.

You demonstrate how bereft Canucks are of national geopolitical pride
and how desperately you need to use the USA as a whipping post to excuse
yourselves from your own national blunders and utter dearth of presence
on the global stage.

It must SUCK to be a pseudo-Ameritard, for sure!

[M.I.Wakefield]

"Mulroney's Folly" wrote in message news:p2rler$1es7$1...@gioia.aioe.org...

> On 1/6/2018 3:56 PM, M.I.Wakefield wrote:
> > "Petzl" wrote in message
> > news:c1j25dpfpknqoqtmc...@4ax.com...
> >
> > On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 14:04:48 -0600, "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:
> >
> > You do know that the US murder rate is 4.5 times higher that Australia?
> > Right?

> It's bad enough you are hopelessly ADDICTED to US politics, but your
> propensity to outright LIE about them is sinful!

I posted a reply in can.politics, to a post in can.politics, with actual
facts.

So, fuck off and die, you ignorant spamming fucktard.

[Ördög]

Petz:

>> How's that gun control working out for you, Aussies?

> snip usual village idiot response from Petz

"Apparently quite well: <http://tinyurl.com/zfpfqfh>

--
Ördög (Your scary shadow that says "Booo" in the dark)
Don't argue with idiots (like Petz, Felix and Mad Ned).
They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
<http://www.loonwatch.com/category/anti-loons/>

[Mulroney's Folly]

You cross-posted it to other groups like limbaugh and the uk and
australia too.

> So, fuck off and die, you ignorant spamming fucktard.

You can't help yourself - it's _always_ about America with you ...always.

[Petzl]

On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 17:56:17 -0500, "M.I.Wakefield" <no...@present.com>
wrote:

If your pointy head says so
(Australia won't arrest or convict based on identity politics nor does
Sweden)
Lies, damned lies, then there are statistics!

[Petzl]

[Petzl]

On Sun, 07 Jan 2018 10:02:26 +1100, Government Shill #2
<gov....@gmail.com> wrote:

nope but this better?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DS5ut_eU8AAw8ni.jpg

[de chucka]

On 7/01/2018 12:28 PM, Petzl wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 17:56:17 -0500, "M.I.Wakefield" <no...@present.com>
> wrote:
>
>> "Petzl" wrote in message news:c1j25dpfpknqoqtmc...@4ax.com...
>>
>> On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 14:04:48 -0600, "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:
>>
>> You do know that the US murder rate is 4.5 times higher that Australia?
>> Right?
>
> If your pointy head says so
> (Australia won't arrest or convict based on identity politics nor does
> Sweden)
> Lies, damned lies, then there are statistics!

What are " identity politics"?
>

[de chucka]

lots of laughs you got caught posting 'fakery' again. Who did you
plagiarise this from?

[Fran]

:-)) That would be a highly unlikely knowing Petz.

[Fran]

As usual, our village idiot Pretzel is using the term wrongly. Or is
this another of your hooks on which to hang our village idiot out to dry
yet again?

[Fran]

He's always good for a laugh. But I do remember those bloody little
Mini Coopers!

We recently saw some at Historic Winton and they still fly. We were
cacking ourselves at the antics of the Minis. They'd take on the
Mustangs and other such cars on the corners like little bush fies and go
by on the inside and then the bigger cars would roar off on the
straights. Wonderful wee beasties despite anything our village idiot
may think or post.

[de chucka]

Just interested in what it means by the term.

[de chucka]

I still remember them racing at Bathurst 1000, it was a fun race when
they had all the different classes racing at once

[Fran]

:-)) Good luck with that.

[onomatopoeia]

On 1/6/2018 3:56 PM, M.I.Wakefield wrote:

95% of your "posts" consist of witless bitch fests against the USA and
Trump, you pseudo_ameritarded canuckelhead.

Remember when you claimed to have quit that crap for a month and I
accessed your google posting record to prove that you LIED!

Uh huh.

Yeah, you'll wear your America-obsessive stink indefinitely.

Because you can't quit the USA brokeback, you're completely OBSESSED
with us!

[Rudy Canoza]

It figures you wouldn't know, and Fat Fran, who also doesn't know, is
wrong - Putz is using the term correctly.

Identity politics refers to people adopting and holding political
positions based on their (usually minority) group identity: race, sex,
sexual orientation, ethnicity, religion, etc. It is mostly a western
civilization problem, and it *is* a problem without any doubt. It is,
of course, originally a view from the left wing.

What's bad about it is that it collapses a person's entire political
identity into his race/sex/ethnic/etc. group membership; nothing else
matters. What's also bad about it is that it casts the perceived
majority group wholly as "the enemy", making civic life intolerably
divisive.

There also is nasty infighting among minority groups due to identity
politics. So, for example, among women ("good") you get hostility from
black women ("better") toward white women ("not so good, but 'better'
than white men"). Among queers, carpet-munchers (lesbians) are "better"
than fudge-packers (plain old poofters), and trannies are the best of
all; and carpet-munchers-of-color are better than white carpet-munchers.

This leads to an at once comical yet disgusting display of attempts at
mitigation by claiming membership in other minority groups. So, for
example, if a heterosexual (that is, normal) black woman tries to lord
it over a white woman, the white woman can attempt to regain the other
hand through a series of "yabbuts": "Yeah, but...I'm a lesbian"; "yeah,
but...I'm crippled"; etc.

If you're a heterosexual (that is, normal) able-bodied white male with a
job, you're just fucked for all time. It doesn't matter if you have a
"Billionaires can't buy Bernie!" bumper sticker on your Prius and
subscribe to Salon and New Republic and Huffington Post, or are in the
UK Left Unity and subscribe to The Guardian - you're just the fucking
devil, and that's that.

This is identity politics, and it is toxic, bad and wrong. Now you know.

[Rudy Canoza]

"Fun" is a noun, never an adjective.

[little man ball's fall]

On 1/7/2018 12:31 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>
> "Fun" is a noun, never an adjective.

BULLSHIT!

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/fun

adjective, funner, funnest.
4.
Informal. of or relating to fun, especially to social fun:
a fun thing to do; really a fun person; the funnest game.
5.
Informal. whimsical; flamboyant:
The fashions this year are definitely on the fun side.





http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/who-says-fun-cant-be-an-adjective

When you start using “fun” as an adjective, however, some people think
the fun has stopped. Some dictionaries include “fun,” the adjective, and
some don’t.

The younger you are the more likely you are to think there’s nothing
wrong with a sentence that uses “fun” as an adjective such as the
sentence “Squiggly brought fun games.” In that sentence “fun” is an
adjective that modifies the noun “games.” You could say “Squiggly
brought fun games,” “Squiggly brought boring games,” or “Squiggly
brought yellow games.” “Fun,” “boring,” and “yellow” are all adjectives.

When I said “Words are fun,” it was the grammatical equivalent of saying
“Words are boring” or “Words are yellow.”

Modern sources tend to grudgingly accept “fun” as an adjective. For
example, Garner’s Modern American Usage says “fun” as an adjective has
reached the stage where it “becomes commonplace even among many
well-educated people but is still avoided in careful usage.”

[little man ball's fall]

On 1/7/2018 12:31 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:

> Now you know.

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[de chucka]

Like being an American?

Sorry I was wondering about pez use of the term

[Petzl]

On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 14:28:26 +1100, de chucka <Dech...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

No you aren't !
https://youtu.be/TLIQlSEtaog
Mark Latham on Identity Politics
--
Petzl
The Donald succeeding as president in face of Left media Trump Derangement Syndrome.
These people need help!
The lefties are all there trying to pile their crap on Trump saying he's no good.
Here's a bloke who has made a fortune in the toughest property market in the world, Manhattan.
He was top rating with his apprentice show, in the toughest TV market in the world the United States.
He beat all those Governors, Senators and sons of Presidents in the presidents primaries
for the Republican party, then he beat the revered Clinton machine.
He has raised a beautiful family, his children are a wonderful tribute to him,
"they all" say he is a hopeless failure?
On top of that he's married to Miss World.
So what have you got to do in life,
what have you got to do by these rotten miserable mongrels
in "our" media on the left, what have you got to do?

The Clinton and Bush era of the last 30 years is about to come
to an end in light of the sudden Saudi Arabian purge of Clinton
and Bush allies.

[Petzl]

On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 11:31:14 -0800, Rudy Canoza <c...@philhendrie.con>
wrote:

Absolutely correct
--
Petzl
Only one turnout that matters and that was on election day and Trump won.
So all you lefties sucking on your sour grapes. all the snowflakes cry babies,
a lot of them in the media who have been sent insane by Trumps mere presence in Washington.
Well they can just sit back and lap it up ,

Because the Donald has won,

And why because he's going to drain the swamp,
he's going to get rid of all the self serving semi-corrupt mob in Washington
and give the American people a new direction on border protection,
on job creation, on foreign policy,

Trump stands for a non-interventionist foreign policy,
something the left have been calling for since Vietnam.
The truth is they can't see that because Trump has offended the cult of identity politics,
judging everyone by their race gender and sexuality.

Trump judges people on their character, their work ethic
and has a very good chance to make America great again.

[Petzl]

On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 06:50:23 +1100, de chucka <Dech...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

no you weren't you are hoping everyone is oblivious to the term

[de chucka]

So gives us your definition and the basis for your accusations

[de chucka]

Awful that people call themselves True Australian hey pez?

[de chucka]

no thanks

[Fran]

Well done Nasty Ned the Nutter. Now do go back and READ what the
village idiot wrote. The village idiot wrote abut arrest. Arresting
someone is based on profiling not on identity politics. Even a moron
like you should be able to see the hole between your own definiton and
what the village idiot wrote.

:-)) Indeed. Nasty Ned the Nutter still hasn't figured out that his
definition is not what our village idiot wrote.

[Rudy Canoza]

I told you what it means, since you didn't know it and don't know what
it means (until now).

He indicated that I got it exactly right (which I did, of course).

[Rudy Canoza]

Awful that any Australian thinks of himself as anything except
Australian. No on in Australia ought to give a fuck about "left-handed
queer dyslexic crippled Australian". Either you're an Australian, or
you're not, and that's all that should matter. No right thinking person
gives a flying fuck about your sub-national identity, upchucka.

[Fran]

Yes, Nasty Ned the Nutter IS correct. You weren't. You didn't write
what Nasty Ned the Nutter has correctly defined as being identity
politics. Arrest doesn't take place because of identity politics!
Nasty Ned the Nutter's words show exactly that: "Identity politics

refers to people adopting and holding political
>>> positions based on their (usually minority) group identity: race, sex,
>>> sexual orientation, ethnicity, religion, etc.

Note in particular the words "people adopting and holding positions
based on THEIR....". That is the core of identity politics. It's about
SELF identifying.

So dummy, it's about individuals doing the identifying. If the
individual says, "I'm an Aboriginal" then making THAT statement involves
identity politics.

Arresting does NOT involve the arresting officer saying "I'm an
Aboriginal so I'll arrest that person over there". It involves the
arresting officer PROFILING the person to be arrested and arresting the
Aborigninal because s/he IS an ABORIGINAL.

You used the term wrongly. Even Nasty Ned the Nutter's definition shows
that. (Not that Nasty Ned the Nutter will be able to either admit that
or see that. He's just a nasty irrational piece or work who won't be
able to bring himself to admit that I'm right even though I can admit
that he gave the right definition).

[Rudy Canoza]

It's part of a movement, and it's bad and wrong and toxic.

[de chucka]

So that's my lot in politics identity

[de chucka]

It is not part of a movement

[Rudy Canoza]

>> Australian.  No one in Australia ought to give a fuck about

>> "left-handed queer dyslexic crippled Australian".  Either you're an
>> Australian, or you're not, and that's all that should matter.  No
>> right thinking person gives a flying fuck about your sub-national
>> identity, upchucka.
>
>
> So that's my lot in politics identity

English words, but not English. That figures.

[Rudy Canoza]

It's part of a movement.

[de chucka]

snip\

>>> Awful that any Australian thinks of himself as anything except
>>> Australian.  No one in Australia ought to give a fuck about
>>> "left-handed queer dyslexic crippled Australian".  Either you're an
>>> Australian, or you're not, and that's all that should matter.  No
>>> right thinking person gives a flying fuck about your sub-national
>>> identity, upchucka.
>>
>>
>> So that's my lot in politics identity
>
> English words, but not English.  That figures.

Coming from a septic that is laughable but pleas keep contributing

[de chucka]

It has occurred forever that groups of like people stuck together.
People became interested in identifying these groups when it came to
aiming consumer and political advertising at particular groups

[Liberals are VERMIN!]

On Saturday, 6 January 2018 15:04:51 UTC-5, Byker wrote:
> Now THIS is a picture worthy of a Pulitzer Prize:
> https://tinyurl.com/yc8efgkz
>
> How's that gun control working out for you, Aussies?
> https://au.news.yahoo.com/vic/a/38412778/melbourne-police-officer-stabbed-by-gang-of-african-youths/
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5217465/African-youths-surround-two-vehicles-bash-woman-steal-car.html
>
> The chief cunt cuck in charge of Victoria police gives Africoonians a pass:
> https://www.3aw.com.au/police-minister-this-is-not-just-an-african-youth-problem/
>
> More of these "youths" destroyed a community center in just the latest
> attack, making families afraid to come out of their homes:
> https://www.facebook.com/7NewsBrisbane/videos/1771367366209441/
>
> Jungle bunnies got upset because police wanted to show that they're
> watching: https://tinyurl.com/y9k3mhvy

Wow. Africa is a long way from Australia. Would love to know how/why they were let in.

[Rudy Canoza]

It has not occurred forever that there is a movement saying that a
person's entire political identity is defined by an invidious
characteristic over which he has no control.

[dolf]

IRREPARABLE HARM DONE TO A CERTAIN CULT OF PERSONALITY
We haven’t yet by 7 January 2018, finished what is only a superficial two
day analysis of Hitler’s Table Talk and I have undertaken the task
reluctantly, being without any infatuation directed towards the individual
as impetus and within the obstructions as the restraints of inadequacy and
resourcefulness which is my education. Or rather a lack thereof. Which,
if I sought such further opportunities in particular that of psychology,
would greatly assist my cursory and informal as haphazard approach to the
project.

But it ought to be remembered, that I by reasonable thought, invented the
very tool which is prerequisite to an undertaking of my analysis and has
yielded such fertile consequence. I would therefore provisionally conclude
from the #231 preliminary assessment which we disclose below, as to it
being associated to a systematic and insidious assertion made upon the MIND
of the population.

However given this cult of personality which he has clearly exhibited as
most apparent even within the short duration of our attention to the matter
as the process of informing and the knowing, also had exhibited an
immutable and an irrational aggression towards the biblical narrative
itself wherein my entire (excepting for the Dao as the Mother of
Governance) trinomial mathematical paradigm of sapient MIND as theoretical
noumenon by which I appraised him, is embedded.

That the maxim: “a house divided by itself would most certainly have
fallen.”

Is a truism if ever there was one so uttered.

I’m at the stage of writing this attention point, currently up-to #150
pages and I anticipate finishing our introduction into a proof of concept
in the existence of what is Immanuel Kant’s meaning of the term "noumena"
as not which is self evident, since it literally means not "things as they
are in dependently of appearing to us" but something more like "things as
they are understood by pure thought."

“And I have seen wonders.
And I have seen miracles
Oh, I have seen some things...”

Yet Kant appears to deny that the human understanding can comprehend things
in the latter way."

— TRUTH WHISPERS AS TEARS IN RAIN —

“WHAT OF GODHEAD.
AND IMAGO DEI.
OR TRUTH CONVEY?
BY PURE CONCEIT.

WHY BE WICKED.
SUCH AS THEE.
OF BLASPHEMY.
SELFISH DECEIT.

WHOM DID BLEED.
WAS IT NOT FOR ME?
YOUR COCK DENY.
NOW ALL FORFEIT.” [Written: 3 December 2017]

What history would have been if someone had some 70 years ago, slimed his
credibility in such comprehensive manner as the cause for irreparable self
harm done against this persona—more effective than an assassination.

YOUTUBE: “Time to Die (Gary Numan)”

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYt8Ia2nCWk>

It is not the stories of war which are its valour but that America or any
other country adhered to universal principles (eg. such as DAOist
meta-descriptor prototypes) of right as the basis for any just cause for
the prosecution of war.

— MOTHER'S LITTLE HELPERS (PISSY HERRINGS) —

"TRUMP IS OFF SOMEWHERES 👣.
FAKE NEWS ✍️ HELTER SKELTER.
EVERYONE CHANTS DESPAIRS.
PARADES OF MUMMY HELPER 💊.
MELANIA HAS LOST SOME PAIRS 👙.
MIGHT HE WEAR 'EM AS WELTER? {ie. note any abnormal intake of water}
PRANCING WITH SUCH AYRES.
SHIP OF STATE 🦅 IN DEEP WATER 🌊.”

<http://www.grapple369.com/images/TrumpsMasonicRing.jpeg>

YOUTUBE: "Mother's Little Helper - Rolling Stones - Oldies Refreshed"

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCD3Wa5RvjE>

JACO DAR (JACODAR242@KOOKS) @ 0419 HOURS ON 26 FEBRUARY 2017: "A homosexual
military man is at a far greater risk of castration from the barracks, than
a homosexual man walking down the street.

Most military men come from traditional conservative backgrounds and would
not be as likely to come out of the closet as their flamboyant urban
cousin."

KERNEL DON JUAN @ 0026 HOURS 5 JULY 2017: “FURST POAST FOR INDEPENDENCE DAY
2017!

Up which da chickens is me.”

DOLF @ 0047 HOURS ON 5 JULY 2017: “It's the 5 July 2017 here wanker:
<http://www.grapple369.com?zen:2,row:1,col:5,nous:77&idea:{118}&idea:{377}&idea:{138}&idea:{467}>

.jackNote@zen: 2, row: 1, col: 5, nous: 77 [Super: #377 / #57 - Laissez
Faire Politics, Simplicity In Habits; I-Ching: H37 - The Family (the clan),
Dwelling People, Family members; Tetra: 39 - Residence, Ego: #467 / #77 -
Natural Guide, Heaven's Reason; I-Ching: H12 - Obstruction, Standstill
(stagnation), Selfish persons; Tetra: 57 - Guardedness]

We know time before you do and hence we don't need chickens in cages to
warn us of Saddam Hussein's chemical attacks.”

COLONEL [DON JUAN] EDMUND BURKE (BURKE...@STD-GIRLS.COM) @ 1428 HOURS ON
6 DECEMBER 2017: "I OPENED MY MAIL:

And received an offer for one of them Mastercard Black (the Luxury card).

Indeed, Mastercard knows when a feller's got uh exemplary credit standing,
as do I. So I laughed a tad when I saw the $495.00 annual fee.

DOLF : “About the price of *RUSSIAN* *VODKA* *CRYSTAL* *SKULLS* which a
welfare recipient ought not be able to repeatedly afford let alone buy off
eBay because they have an adverse credit circumstance and when they can't
even on occasion buy food / toilet paper for themselves.”

COLONEL [DON JUAN] EDMUND BURKE (BURKE...@STD-GIRLS.COM) @ 1428 HOURS ON
6 DECEMBER 2017: “I'm thinking of thankin' them for da offer, which
something like..."Dearest Mastercard Black, Just a little note to let you
know. When I'm about to get cornholed, please put a little lube on the
dildo first.

LOL”

SEE ALSO 'HITLER'S TABLE TALK': IDEA @I / PAGE #3 {#9 - Autonomous Nature
{#6 - Form of Nature}} ON Saturday, 5th July 1941: ARYANS AND RUSSIANS —
*NECESSITY* *OF* *THE* *MAILED* *FIST* *IN* *RUSSIA* — DETERIORATION OF
SOIL, AS THE IMPETUS FOR SAINT ANDREWS CAUSE CÉLÈBRE BEING PREMEDITATED
SLANDER BY {SYM-BULIMIA AS EVIDENCE OF DOMESTIC CRIMINAL ACTS OF TERRORISM
AS BEING WAR CRIMES}:

YOUTUBE: "Doctor Who - Journey's End - The Reality Bomb"

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvRSnDZvuuc>

— FLANDERS SOIL —

"IN DEAD OF NIGHT. / #1 - Will, free will, choice / Remember the Sabbath
Day
I HEAR THE CLARION. / #2 - desire, inclination / Honour Parents
CALL AWAKE FOR WAR. / #3 - disposition towards (something or someone) / Do
Not Kill
STEADFAST MIGHT. / #4 - favour, affection / Do Not Commit Adultery (ie.
Avoid Heteronomy Against Autonomy)
MARCHING TO SION. / #5 - last will, testament / Do Not Steal
AGAINST THIS WHORE. / #6 - goal, object, purpose, intention / Do Not Bear
False Witness
ARREST THE BLIGHT." / #7 - signification, import / Do Not Covet [LATIN
definition: VOLUNTĀTIS]

#1 - unwillingness
#2 - ill will, negative disposition (toward something) [LATIN definition:
NOLUNTĀTIS]

YOUTUBE: "Battle Hymn of the Republic"

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy6AOGRsR80>

What we need is a collective view of people's wish to live and manner of
living.

We must distinguish between the Fascist popular movement and the popular
movement in Russia. The *FASCIST* *MOVEMENT* *IS* *A* *SPONTANEOUS*
*RETURN* *TO* *THE* *TRADITIONS* *OF* *ANCIENT* *ROME* {strength}. The
Russian movement has an essential tendency towards anarchy.

By instinct, the Russian does not incline towards a higher form of society.
Certain peoples can live in such a way that with them a *COLLECTION* *OF*
*FAMILY* *UNITS* *DOES* *NOT* *MAKE* *A* *WHOLE*; *AND* *ALTHOUGH* *RUSSIA*
*HAS* *SET* *UP* *A* *SOCIAL* *SYSTEM* *WHICH*, *JUDGED* *BY* *WESTERN*
*STANDARDS*, *QUALIFIES* *FOR* *THE* *DESIGNATION* " *STATE* ", *IT* *IS*
*NOT*, *IN* *FACT*, *A* *SYSTEM* *WHICH* *IS* *EITHER* *CONGENIAL* *OR*
*NATURAL* to her.

It is true that, in a sense, *EVERY* *PRODUCT* *OF* *HUMAN* *CULTURE*,
*EVERY* *WORK* *GIFTED* *WITH* *BEAUTY* *CAN* *BE* *BORN* *ONLY* *OF* *THE*
*EFFECT* *OF* *THE* *CONSTRAINT* *WHICH* *WE* *CALL* *EDUCATION*.

The Aryan peoples are peoples who are particularly active. A man like
Krümel works from morning to night; such-and- such another person never
stops thinking. In the same way, the Italian is as diligent as an ant
(bienenfleissig). In *THE* *EYES* *OF* *THE* *RUSSIAN*, *THE* *PRINCIPAL*
*SUPPORT* *OF* *CIVILISATION* *IS* *VODKA*. His ideal consists in never
doing any thing but the indispensable. Our conception of work (work, and
then more of it!) is one that he submits to as if it were *A* *REAL*
*CURSE*.

It is doubtful whether anything at all can be done in Russia without the
help of the Orthodox priest. It's the priest who has been able to reconcile
the Russian to the fatal necessity of work—by promising him more happiness
in another world.

The Russian will never make up his mind to work except under compulsion
from outside, for he is incapable of organising himself. And if, despite
everything, he is apt to have organisation thrust upon him, that is thanks
to the drop ofAryan blood in his veins. It's only because of this drop that
the Russian people has created something and possesses an organised State,
It takes energy to rule Russia. The corollary is that, the tougher a
country's régime, the more appropriate it is that equity and justice
should be practised there. The horse that is not kept constantly under
control forgets in the wink of an eye the rudiments of training that have
been inculcated into it. In the same way, with the Russian, there is an
instinctive force that invariably leads him back to the *STATE* *OF*
*NATURE*. People sometimes quote the case of the horses that escaped from a
ranch in America, and by some ten years later had formed huge herds of wild
horses. It is so easy for an animal to go back to its origins! For the
Russian, the return to the *STATE* *OF* *NATURE* *IS* *A* *RETURN* *TO*
*PRIMITIVE* *FORMS* *OF* *LIFE*. The family exists, the female looks after
her children, like the female of the hare, with all the *FEELINGS* *OF* *A*
*MOTHER*.

But the Russian doesn't want anything more. His *REACTION* *AGAINST* *THE*
*CONSTRAINT* *OF* *THE* *ORGANISED* *STATE* (*WHICH* *IS* *ALWAYS* *A*
*CONSTRAINT*, *SINCE* *IT* *LIMITS* *THE* *LIBERTY* *OF* *THE*
*INDIVIDUAL*) *IS* *BRUTAL* *AND* *SAVAGE*, *LIKE* *ALL* *FEMININE*
*REACTIONS*. When he collapses and should yield, the Russian bursts into
lamentations. This will to return to the state of nature is exhibited in
his revolutions. For the Russian, *THE* *TYPICAL* *FORM* *OF* *REVOLUTION*
*IS* *NIHILISM*.

I think there's still petroleum in thousands of places. As for coal, we
know we're reducing the natural reserves, and that in so doing we are
creating gaps in the sub-soil. But as for petroleum, it may be that the
lakes from which we are drawing are constantly renewed from invisible
reservoirs.

Without doubt, man is the most dangerous microbe imaginable. He exploits
the ground beneath his feet without ever asking whether he is disposing
thus of products that would perhaps be indispensable to the life of other
regions. If *ONE* *EXAMINED* *THE* *PROBLEM* *CLOSELY*, *ONE* *WOULD*
*PROBABLY* *FIND* *HERE* *THE* *ORIGIN* *OF* *THE* *CATASTROPHES* *THAT*
*OCCUR* *PERIODICALLY* *IN* *THE* *EARTH'S* *SURFACE.*"

DOLF @ 1615 HOURS ON 31 DECEMBER 2017: "Hey colonel"

KERNEL DON JUAN @ 1344 HOURS ON 5 JANUARY 2018: "Never 'hey' Your Colonel."

DOLF @ 1548 HOURS ON 5 JANUARY 2018: "Hey you senile fascist prick
colonel."

KERNEL DON JUAN @ 2357 HOURS ON 21 JUNE 2017: "DOLF LEENDERT BORK!

Step to the podium, and be quick about it!

Hmm, I do not find your name written here in The Book of Eternal Life,
Bork.

You are hereby condemned to HELL!

Suck those nigger cocks well, you sinner!"

“And at that time shall Michael {poor; humble} stand up, the great prince
which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of
trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time:
and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be
found written in the book.

And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to
everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and
they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

But thou, O Daniel {judgment of God; God my judge}, shut up the words, and
seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and
knowledge shall be increased.

Then I Daniel {judgment of God; God my judge} looked, and, behold, there
stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the
other on that side of the bank of the river.

And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the
river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the
river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and
sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and
an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the
holy people, all these things shall be finished.

And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be
the end of these things?

And he said, Go thy way, Daniel {judgment of God; God my judge}: for the
words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do
wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall
understand.

And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the
abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two
hundred and ninety days.

Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and
five and thirty days.

But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy
lot at the end of the days.” [Daniel 12:1-13 (KJV)]
 
DOLF: “Oh such *APPLE*-*POLISH* you now pantomime as claimed religious
values statement which is in accord with that of locally held by Roman
Catholic whores of Babylon.

But you have not ever once engaged within any rational and reasonable
discussion as refutation of my prudent discourse and have taken advantage
of my patient demure.

It is alleged that you have engaged within a cause célèbre with other
parties including the Wellington Shire Council et al (who are named by
floral tributes at the ANZAC War Memorial as part of their campaign of
fanny), and continually engaged within warfare in the material support
given to global religious extremism (#465) and accompanying coordinated
events as acts of terrorism (#307).

In my view, the date of 21 June represents both a mile-stone (#41) as a
threshold of accomplishment (and which is no failure of mine) within a
clearly defined Category of Understanding: (#382 / #385) as constituting a
MODUS OPERANDI of a determined disrespect towards Our Sovereign Queen
Elizabeth II as to be defined as TREASON.

*APPLE*-*POLISH* (verb):
- Informal. to curry favour with someone, especially in an obsequious or
flattering manner.
- Word of the Day for 22 June 2017; Courtesy: www.dictionary.com

When in fact you are entirely delusional, psychotic with an anal sadistic
temperament in having been unlawfully utilising my Intellectual Property
associated to the Letter Patents of the Commonwealth of Australia to then
systematically stalk (both publicly and on the Internet) with the intention
to relentlessly falsely defame and slander the dignity of person by the
subjecting of me to a continual mechanised psychological distress of such a
degree as a magnitude which has occurred since my protest at Archbishop
George Pell’s refusal of Communion in Melbourne (as legally a sibling
parish to Sale) within 1998 / 2000."

KERNEL DON JUAN @ 0128 HOURS ON 7 JANUARY 2018: "Dolf is retarded."

DOLF: "As to constitute a deliberate attempt to murder a person.

That you desire for me to self harm, is then simply an intention of
validation for your morphological depravity over which I have no desire to
participate."

KERNEL DON JUAN @ 0142 HOURS ON 7 JANUARY 2018: "AL GORE WAS RIGHT ABOUT
THEM 'BOMB CYCLONES':

He predicted that the intensity of coming cyclones would jump towards the
bomb category."

DOLF @ 0155 HOURS ON 7 JANUARY 2018: "KERNEL BURKE SODOMIZES YOUNG BOYS"

KERNEL DON JUAN @ 0420 HOURS ON 7 JANUARY 2018: "DOLF LEENDERT BORK!

APPROACH THE BENCH, YOU ASSWAD!"

DOLF @ 0828 HOURS ON 7 JANUARY 2018: "Happy birthday to moi...

This perverse and adversarial public Internet conduct as CAUSE CÉLÈBRE is
an unbridled and unrestrained attempt to impede the successful completion
of the above stated goals (which I have now concluded), to murder my
reputation and human dignity without any conscious acceptance of the merit
to the aforementioned action against religious extremism as anti-humanity,
anti-society, anti-civilization and anti-religion activity.

And to put it simply, to dispossess me of any claim to a rational mind;
subject me to such frequent slanderous mischaracterisations my reputation
as *BORK* (ie. obstruct someone, especially a candidate for public office
by systematically defaming or vilifying them) to normalise by the mutual
agreement of others as contempt and to extinguish and annihilate me. "

JEWISH ROYALTY3850 (...@HOTMAIL.COM) @ 1301 HOURS ON 7 JANUARY 2018: "I'M
THINKING ABOUT ADDING SOME GUITAR AND DRUMS AND THEN RELEASING THIS SONG
BUT IT NEEDS MORE WORDS:

"CAN I ASK YOU A FAVO[U]R TONIGHT?
OPEN YOUR LEGS SO WE DON’T FIGHT.
CONCEIVING AN INFANT IS OUR MAIN GAME,
EVEN THOUGH MY LEGS ARE A BIT LAME.

THE SPOT ON THE CENT[RE] OF YOUR SOUL,
IS HELPING ME REACH THE TOLL,

SO STAY THERE IN THE BACK SEAT,
AND I’LL TUCK IN MY MEAT.
AND WHEN THE TOLL AGENT LETS US PASS BY,
YOU CAN TELL HIM HE’S A NICE GUY!"

DOLF @ 2027 HOURS ON 7 JANUARY 2018: "Say hello to your roommate for
eternity in hell..."

MICHAEL 'MANSON' CHRIST (JESUSISTH...@HOTMAIL.COM) @ 1825 HOURS ON 7
JANUARY 2018: "DELUDED RELIGION:

If you are striving to sustain what you think is righteousness in your
life, you are deluded!

All you are doing is trying to make your fallen nature acceptable.

You are stewing in self-righteousness."

MILOCH ITCHY KOALA (...@NEWSGUY.COM) @ 0350 HOURS ON 8 JANUARY 2018: "When
you're as flawless and perfect as MILOCH - THE UNFALLEN, you have every
right to be, heh, self-righteous!"

DOLF @ 0705 HOURS ON 8 JANUARY 2018: "Thank-you for that incriminating
sound bite as *SUSPIRATION* my little itchy koala...

*SUSPIRATION* (noun):
a long, deep sigh.
Word of the Day for 9 January 2018; Courtesy: www.dictionary.com

Как хламидиоз сегодня утром?

Translation: How is the chlamydia this morning?

YOUTUBE: “Jackie Legs and the Animals Talk”

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKpmk4m6IIM>

MICHAEL 'MANSON' CHRIST @ 1827 HOURS ON 7 JANUARY 2018: "I SET WHAT
RIGHTEOUSNESS IS... SINNER RELIGIOUS STYLE:

It works in thus wise.

Take one religious self-righteous filthy depraved sinner.

They decide what 'filthy communication' means.

Then they *quote at* someone a scripture like this...

"But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy
communication out of your mouth." [Colossians 3:8]

Thus they have claimed the scripture, the interpretation of such, and God's
meaning of the words as their own, in their sinful foul perception and
state.

🙂."

DOLF @ 2025 HOURS ON 7 JANUARY 2018: "How is the sycophant fuehrer today?

You have been detected extolling fascist ideology...."

ROD [FASCIST CATHOLIC] KUMAR 🐴 SA...@GMAIL.COM) EASTMAN @ 0008 HOURS ON 8
JANUARY 2018: "Any god will do. there are thousands of them [within the
pantheon of ancient Rome].

It's all in what a person is offended by.

You're not angry about it are ya?"

DUKE EARL [FASCIST CATHOLIC] WEBER @ 0058 HOURS ON 8 JANUARY 2018: "You
never let God guide you in your lifestyle.

The Purpose of scripture is not to inform, but to form {ie. gestalten as
shape}, not to teach but to live [as über jugend]."

JOS BERGER NOET (...@XS4ALL.NL) @ 2024 HOURS ON 7 JANUARY 2018:
"IRRESPONSIBLE FARM GONE TO A CURTAIN FULL OF PROFANITY:

It's early days yet, dolf. A thorough approach inevitably takes time!"

DOLF @ 2247 HOURS ON 7 JANUARY 2018: "What’s the matter BERGER NOET don’t
you have a fuehrer in heaven to pray to any more?

Pardon me for being so superficial, that damned auto spell corrector...

I meant father."

JOS BERGER NOET (...@XS4ALL.NL) @ 2024 HOURS ON 7 JANUARY 2018: "Of course
"CURTAIL" is correct. Sorry..."

DOLF @ 0705 HOURS ON 8 JANUARY 2018: "Does asking such a question {ie. Как
хламидиоз сегодня утром?} about your private and lawful proclivity (ie. it
is entirely and mutually agreeably between two persons so to speak) with
another or others now publicly within the Russian language as to presuppose
a fromagerie as knowledge about their espionage tactics compared to your
crackers and salacious whine by some leg humping mongrel dog who has been
kicked in the guts to the kerb...

— PHARAOH'S PROPHYLACTIC —

"TWAT 'N TRIPE.
'TIS JUST THE THING.
DON'T BE A SNIPE.
AND DRESS YA DING."

YOUTUBE: "CONDOM COMMERCIAL"

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__yX4ThxfE>

Thereby such theatre of spectacle making it suspiciously a substantial
matter as a public accountability of their being one with such nature by
now making their prolapsed public confessions about failed intestinal
fortitude and having an entire accountability for its consequence as to be
causal for it now being rife as a diseased pandemic of mind and therefore a
moral issue?

SOME MOTHERS DO 'AVE 'EM
As if you were now by such compelling confession a perpetrator of some
greater travesty which has the gravitas of NIX ON
watergate.<http://www.grapple369.com?time:12.35&idea:{185}&idea:{360}&idea:{237}&idea:{394}>

.jackNote@zen: 4, row: 5, col: 8, nous: 65 [Super: #360 / #75 - Destructive
Envy, Harmed Through Greed; I-Ching: H52 - Restraint, Inaction, Bound,
Keeping still, mountain, Stilling; Tetra: 72 - Hardness, Ego: #394 / #65 -
Unlearned Virtuosity as Simplicity; I-Ching: H20 - Viewing, Contemplation
(view), Looking up; Tetra: 63 - Watch]

DOLF TO MAXIME @ 1235 HOURS {*NOTE:* #237 - *USE* *OF* *FORCE*} ON 16
OCTOBER 2017: "I have attended at the Sale Police Station in relation to my
application for a PERSONAL SAFETY / INTERVENTION ORDER within case no:
H12143475.

And advised them of your dishonesty as representations [made] to the SALE
MAGISTRATES COURT on 13 September 2017 where in the absence of the
RESPONDENT within this matter, you falsely claimed to the registrar as the
HONOURABLE A. PATON of a desire to contest this matter despite my publicly
accessible eBAY feedback [history] of 100%

<http://www.grapple369.com/docs/ebay.pdf>

Which includes the purchase of a *ROSETTA* *STONE* for your son upon 23
November 2016 and [the testimony from the] former AMERICAN SECRETARY OF
STATE John Kerry’s comment [of integrity as relative values] on such:

"I've been asked, 'What is the secret to having a real impact on
government?' Well, it's recently changed. I used to say, 'Either run for
office or get a degree from the Harvard Kennedy School,'" he said.

"But with this White House, I'd say,

'*BUY* *ROSETTA* *STONE* *AND* *LEARN* *RUSSIAN*.'"

<http://edition.cnn.com/2017/05/25/politics/john-kerry-donald-trump-normal/index.html>

— OO ROO TO OOHRAH —

"I AM THE APPLE 🍎 OF HIS EYE 👁.
THINKING TO DO ME OVER 🎯?
YOU OUGHT NOT EVEN TRY.
SEMANTIC FIELDS IN CLOVER 🍀 {ie. PADDOCK}.

MOUTH WORDS LIKE PUSKIN.
DING-DONG, POOH-POOH,
BOW-WOW OR TA-TA PUTIN.
KOO WEE NOR TO TRY WOO.

*ROSETTA* *STONE* SO WRIT.
AS PLAIN FOR ALL TO SEE.
SAY OTHERWISE SUCH TWIT.
THAT GOD {#226 = #70, #30, #10, #6, #50, #10, #50 = `elyown (Aramaic)
(H5946): {#5 as #166} 1) the Most High; 1a) of God} LOVES EVEN ME."
[Written 3 July 2017]

YOUTUBE: "The Script - Hall of Fame (Official Video) ft. will.i.am"

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk48xRzuNvA>

I note that your son has a fixation with the orotund RUSSIAN PRESIDENT MR
PUTIN as calendar postering and also has in relation to this APPLICATION
FOR AN INTERVENTION ORDER within case no: H12143475, a penchant for crystal
skulls filled with vodka as their national drink (Russian: *ZHIZNENNIA*
*VODA* meaning 'water of life') being so described by a 14th century
British emissary to Moscow.

WHAT AGAIN WAS YOUR OBJECTION TO 'WATER OF LIFE' BLASPHEMY [Revelation
21:8; 22:1, 17]?

That I have as a composite anti-terrorism initiative sought to challenge
religious dogma (ie. whether belief, dis-belief or non-belief) associated
to same-sex marriage and which collectively finds its impetus within the
encapsulation of mind, body and soul as articulated by the faux-wisdom as
Pythagorean sophistry which deploys a binary (ie. gender and spermatic
bifurcated attribution) paradigm as a transformative prototype within its
HETEROS THEORY OF NUMBER.

As a sophistic opinion perpetuating a HETEROS MARRIAGE ethic through a
mechanical and merciless CANON OF TRANSPOSITION by a pantomimed contrivance
of reality as a faux superiority in a claim of wisdom comprising the eight
elements as only a logical fallacy encapsulation made of a hybridisation to
the DAOist PARADIGM perspective which had it's Grand Inception at midnight
on the new moon of solstice as 21 December 103 BCE to this present day, as
the HOMO[IOS] SAPIEN[T] theoretical mathematical noumenon representing the
natural and harmonious equivalent of the HEAVEN {GODHEAD/DIVINE} - EARTH
{Chinese: ZIRAN as DAO of NATURE / Greek: COURSE-trochos of NATURE-genesis.
[James 3:6]} - MAN {HOMOIOS-sameness / 'All one to us' SAPIENT-'wisdom
thinker' of the self-identity as formula of autonomy} being the Son of Man
dynamic.

<http://www.grapple369.com/docs/Voyeurism.pdf£

- dolf

--


SEE ALSO: *INVALIDATING* *THE* *ORTHODOX* *AND* *ROMAN* *CATHOLIC*
*CHURCH'S* *CLAIM* *TO* *JUBILEE2000* *AS* *BEING* *DELUSIONAL* *AND*
*FRAUDULENT*

Private Street on the edge of the Central Business District dated 16th
May, 2000 - This report is prepared in response to a TP00/55 as a Notice of
an Application for Planning Permit

- <http://www.grapple369.com/jubilee2000.html>

SEE ALSO: HYPOSTATIS as DAO OF NATURE (Chinese: ZIRAN) / COURSE (Greek:
TROCHOS) OF NATURE (Greek: GENESIS) [James 3:6]

Chinese HAN Dynasty (206 BCE - 220CE) Hexagon Trigrams to Tetragram
assignments proposed by Yang Hsiung (53BCE - 18CE) which by 4BCE
(translation published within English as first European language in 1993),
first appeared in draft form as a meta-thesis titled T'AI HSUAN CHING {ie.
Canon of Supreme Mystery} on Natural Divination associated with the theory
of number, annual seasonal chronology and astrology reliant upon the seven
visible planets as cosmological mother image and the zodiac.

It shows the ZIRAN as the DAO of NATURE / COURSE-trochos OF
NATURE-genesis [James 3:6] as HYPOSTATIS comprising #81 trinomial
tetragrammaton x 4.5 day = #364.5 day / year as HOMOIOS THEORY OF NUMBER
which is an amalgam of the 64 hexagrams as binomial trigrams / 81 as
trinomial tetragrammaton rather than its encapsulated contrived use as the
microcosm to redefine the macrocosm as the quintessence of the Pythagorean
[Babylonian] as binomial canon of transposition as HETEROS THEORY OF
NUMBER.

- <http://www.grapple369.com/nature.html>

The Charter of Human Rights and Responsibilities No. 43 of Act 2006
defines a "PERSON MEANS A HUMAN BEING” and the question is, if it is
permissible to extend this definition to be a "PERSON MEANS A HUMAN BEING
AS A CONSCIOUS REALITY OF HOMO[iOS] SAPIEN[T] WHO IS INSTANTIATED WITHIN
THE TEMPORAL REALITY AS THEN THE CAUSE FOR REASONING AND RATIONALITY."

That my mathematical theoretical noumenon defines the meta-descriptor
prototypes which are prerequisite to the BEING of HOMO[iOS] SAPIEN[T] as
EXISTENCE.

- http://www.grapple369.com/Grapple.zip (Download resources)

After all the ENNEAD of THOTH and not the Roman Catholic Eucharist,
expresses an Anthropic Cosmological Principle which appears within its
geometric conception as being equivalent to the Pythagorean
TETRAD/TETRACTYS

[de chucka]

>> It has occurred forever that groups of like people stuck together. People became interested in identifying these groups when it came to aiming consumer and political advertising at particular groups
>

> It has not occurred forever that there is a movement saying that a
> person's entire political identity is defined by an invidious
> characteristic over which he has no control.

That 'movement' is stupid and is not IP

[Rudy Canoza]

Identity politics is exactly what I described it as being. You're
ignorant and stubborn.

[de chucka]

It has been going on forever, it is he basis for nationalism, support of
your footy team, church membership etc etc

[Rudy Canoza]

No, it has not. "Factions", as James Madison called them, are not the
same as immutable group identity. Farmers or landowners promoting their
self interest has nothing in common with people in a minority group
claiming to have a group-identity interest. Blacks do not have any
interests as blacks - they have interests as citizens, the same as any
others. There is no such thing as "women's interests". To say
otherwise is to say there can be "special" rights, which of course is
nonsense and wrong.

Also, people with interests due to profession or employment or some
other *choice* criterion are not exclusively defining themselves in that
way. Identity politics says that people are exclusively defined by
their membership in groups over which they have no control. It is
entirely racist and sexist and all the other bad "isms" - it says that
all blacks have the same identity and interests, all women do, etc.

I'm right about this and you are wrong, as usual. You are being your
typical stubborn ignorant fuckwitted self, that's all.

[de chucka]

Agreed but politicians, advertisers etc like to divide people into the
groups for their own purposes

>
> Also, people with interests due to profession or employment or some
> other *choice* criterion are not exclusively defining themselves in that
> way.  Identity politics says that people are exclusively defined by
> their membership in groups over which they have no control.  It is
> entirely racist and sexist and all the other bad "isms" - it says that
> all blacks have the same identity and interests, all women do, etc.

Which is why it is a silly concept but using your definition one that as
been occurring for millennium

>
> I'm right about this and you are wrong, as usual.

WOW a self proclaimed victory, up there with Trump's self proclaimed
genius status

[Rudy Canoza]

Something entirely different and irrelevant.

>>
>> Also, people with interests due to profession or employment or some
>> other *choice* criterion are not exclusively defining themselves in
>> that way.  Identity politics says that people are exclusively defined
>> by their membership in groups over which they have no control.  It is
>> entirely racist and sexist and all the other bad "isms" - it says that
>> all blacks have the same identity and interests, all women do, etc.
>
> Which is why it is a silly concept but using your definition one that as
> been occurring for millennium

Nope. It's a recent phenomenon originating with totalitarian leftists
in universities.

>>
>> I'm right about this and you are wrong, as usual.
>
> WOW a self proclaimed victory

It's just a fact. I know what identity politics is and why it's bad,
and you don't.

[de chucka]

snip

>> Which is why it is a silly concept but using your definition one that
>> as been occurring for millennium
>
> Nope.  It's a recent phenomenon originating with totalitarian leftists
> in universities.

Interesting use of identity politics, do these people define themselves
as such or it it your definition putting them into this group?

snip

[Rudy Canoza]

On 1/8/2018 12:07 PM, de chucka wrote:

>>> Which is why it is a silly concept but using your definition one that
>>> as been occurring for millennium
>>
>> Nope. It's a recent phenomenon originating with totalitarian leftists
>> in universities.
>
> Interesting use of identity politics,

It's the correct use of it.

[de chucka]

>> Interesting use of identity politics, do these people define themselves as such or it it your definition putting them into this group?
>

> It's the correct use of it.

Thus showing the inanity of your argument

[Rudy Canoza]

No - showing that you don't know what identity politics is and why it's
bad and wrong.

[de chucka]

We are using YOUR def'n so we both understand it

and why it's
> bad and wrong.

So what you did using Identity politics to describe 'Totalitarian
leftists ' was "bad and wrong."

[Petzl]

On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 16:15:14 +1100, Fran
<franhatesn...@loonynutters.com> wrote:

>:-)) Indeed. Nasty Ned the Nutter still hasn't figured out that his
>definition is not what our village idiot wrote.

Fran a vile creep, fan of other vile creeps in Aus.politics eg
Dechucker, Ordog, SG1.

Then "Labor/lefties" kill the messenger, police are not arresting
thugs because of identity politics the thug street gangs are black
Moslems from Sudan, Kenya, Same lies happen with Moslem rape gangs,
Cronulla riots were caused by Moslems going from Lakemba in gangs not
to enjoy the beach but to attack those who were, police again ordered
to stand down, Sydney police even escorted a Moslem convoy of thugs to
attack residents in Cronulla (happening every west nation where
invaders are "welcomed")

Dutton ridiculed for saying Melburnians were ‘scared to go out’
PETER Dutton has been ridiculed for claiming Melbourne people are
“scared to go out at restaurants” at night because of African street
gangs.
--
Petzl

You're not being tolerant. You're not being inclusive. You're not being open-minded... You're being conquered."
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJ-4y-3UMAAVWQD.jpg

Italian immigration was an advance point for Australia, followed by Greek immigration, then Asian all provided positive growth, benefits.
https://youtu.be/82XmUc2dwUU

The failure has and is Moslem immigration where over 30 years they are planted in West Sydney it is a proven disaster which is forbidden to be spoken about.

Reality is
This is a Islamic invasion/war by Stealth!

Moslems are also history killers and twist historical facts and truth they call taqiyya kitman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiya
Facts are:-
This Trojan horse invasion by Moslems was invented by Mohammed when he and his marauding followers fled Mecca in AD 622 to Yathrib now called Medina. Claiming “refugee status”
Medina welcomed them as “our” government does today!

ISIS is doing nothing that the Moslem’s “Prophet” Mohammed wouldn’t do!
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2014/05/the_greatest_murder_machine_in_history.html

Mohammad himself was once a (claimed) refugee taken in by the Jewish run city of Medina, then called Yathrib (fleeing Mecca AD 622).
https://www.britannica.com/event/Hijrah-Islam
Within five years, Mohammed (joining with other invading “marauding refugees”) had driven out, executed, or enslaved every Jew living in Medina
https://www.britannica.com/place/Medina-Saudi-Arabia

For around 1,400 years Islam has produced the major majority of the worlds “refugees”! Always fleeing from what they created!

Still the same today!

This Trojan horse invasion continues WHY?
Moslems and Islam are of course synonymous with terror!
It was and is a CRIME to allow Moslems in. Every politician is obligated to know the history of foreign people they bring in. If they had done even a little bit of study they would have found a bloodthirsty people, full of hate and terrorism.?

Mohammad invented this sort of invasion by stealth, Centuries old still used today.
The success of thier blood lust carnage is that Moslem have made their Calender year begining AD 622

"Our" repomse is to declare a war on the Islamic TACTIC of "terror"?
1: You can’t declare war on a tactic – TERROR.
2: You can’t win if the “Good Guys” your soldiers are dying for are just a different type of bad guy.
3: You can’t win if you promote the problem – ISLAM.
4: And you can’t win overseas if you are losing at home
https://youtu.be/6CS1R1SAjBE

[de chucka]

On 9/01/2018 7:22 AM, Petzl wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 16:15:14 +1100, Fran
> <franhatesn...@loonynutters.com> wrote:
>
>> :-)) Indeed. Nasty Ned the Nutter still hasn't figured out that his
>> definition is not what our village idiot wrote.
>
> Fran a vile creep, fan of other vile creeps in Aus.politics eg
> Dechucker, Ordog, SG1.
>
> Then "Labor/lefties" kill the messenger, police are not arresting
> thugs because of identity politics the thug street gangs are black
> Moslems from Sudan, Kenya,

Seems they are given the number of arrests

Same lies happen with Moslem rape gangs,

You mean those ones in gaol?

> Cronulla riots were caused by Moslems going from Lakemba in gangs not
> to enjoy the beach but to attack those who were, police again ordered
> to stand down, Sydney police even escorted a Moslem convoy of thugs to
> attack residents in Cronulla (happening every west nation where
> invaders are "welcomed")

Oh not not this old lie

>
> Dutton ridiculed for saying Melburnians were ‘scared to go out’
> PETER Dutton has been ridiculed for claiming Melbourne people are
> “scared to go out at restaurants” at night because of African street
> gangs.

My wife has just come back from Melbourne, her description of the
Melbourne nightlife shows that is blatantly untrue

[Rudy Canoza]

You aren't. You keep trying to say it means something else. You're wrong.

>> and why it's bad and wrong.
>
> So what you did using Identity politics to describe 'Totalitarian
> leftists ' was "bad and wrong."

Nope, because it is a choice to be a fuckwitted totalitarian leftist.

[Petzl]

On Tue, 9 Jan 2018 07:21:55 +1100, de chucka <Dech...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting use of identity politics, do these people define
>>>>> themselves as such or it it your definition putting them into this
>>>>> group?
>>>>
>>>> It's the correct use of it.
>>>
>>> Thus showing the inanity of your argument
>>
>> No - showing that you don't know what identity politics is
>
>We are using YOUR def'n so we both understand it
>
> and why it's
>> bad and wrong.
>
>So what you did using Identity politics to describe 'Totalitarian
>leftists ' was "bad and wrong."

Police won't catch these thugs either because they a black African
Moslems
https://au.news.yahoo.com/vic/a/38277184/hoppers-crossing-grandmother-bashed-by-thugs/
http://tinyurl.com/y832tqnc
'Scared for life': Grandmother bashed by cowardly thugs fears they
will return

News / December 13th, 2017
A Victorian grandmother who was bashed in the backyard of her home by
a gang of young thugs is terrified they will return.
--
Petzl
A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot
survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable,
for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves
amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling
through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself
For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar
to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he
appeals to the basenessthat lies deep in the hearts of all men. He
rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night
to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so
that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.

- Marcus Tullius Cicero

[Rudy Canoza]

On 1/8/2018 12:22 PM, Petzl wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 16:15:14 +1100, Fran
> <franhatesn...@loonynutters.com> wrote:
>
>> :-)) Indeed. Nasty Ned the Nutter still hasn't figured out that his
>> definition is not what our village idiot wrote.
>
> Fran a vile creep, fan of other vile creeps in Aus.politics eg
> Dechucker, Ordog, SG1.

She also used to be pals with an obnoxious, very nearly criminal vile
creep in the USA named Sue Bishop in a group called misc.rural in the
early 2000s. Sue "Ma" Bishop was something else - a nasty bonehead
ostensibly trying to fight against the ridiculous "animal rights"
movement but completely sabotaging the anti-"ar" side with her vile
stupidity and misanthropy.

[de chucka]

So if you chose it isn't IP? :-)

[de chucka]

On 9/01/2018 7:30 AM, Petzl wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Jan 2018 07:21:55 +1100, de chucka <Dech...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Interesting use of identity politics, do these people define
>>>>>> themselves as such or it it your definition putting them into this
>>>>>> group?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's the correct use of it.
>>>>
>>>> Thus showing the inanity of your argument
>>>
>>> No - showing that you don't know what identity politics is
>>
>> We are using YOUR def'n so we both understand it
>>
>> and why it's
>>> bad and wrong.
>>
>> So what you did using Identity politics to describe 'Totalitarian
>> leftists ' was "bad and wrong."
>
> Police won't catch these thugs either because they a black African
> Moslems

If you know who they are phone crimestoppers. If you want to be a
vigilant chase them in the tank you claim to own and incinerate them
with the flame thrower you claim to have. I'm not inciting you because
you lied about these

[Petzl]

On Tue, 9 Jan 2018 07:26:49 +1100, de chucka <Dech...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On 9/01/2018 7:22 AM, Petzl wrote:
>> On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 16:15:14 +1100, Fran
>> <franhatesn...@loonynutters.com> wrote:
>>
>>> :-)) Indeed. Nasty Ned the Nutter still hasn't figured out that his
>>> definition is not what our village idiot wrote.
>>
>> Fran a vile creep, fan of other vile creeps in Aus.politics eg
>> Dechucker, Ordog, SG1.
>>
>> Then "Labor/lefties" kill the messenger, police are not arresting
>> thugs because of identity politics the thug street gangs are black
>> Moslems from Sudan, Kenya,
>
>Seems they are given the number of arrests
>
> Same lies happen with Moslem rape gangs,
>
>You mean those ones in gaol?
>

only a few even then it's disproportionate to these invaders that have
been welcomed here

>> Cronulla riots were caused by Moslems going from Lakemba in gangs not
>> to enjoy the beach but to attack those who were, police again ordered
>> to stand down, Sydney police even escorted a Moslem convoy of thugs to
>> attack residents in Cronulla (happening every west nation where
>> invaders are "welcomed")
>
>Oh not not this old lie

Complete scum you are
http://australian-news.net/article/cronulla-riots-lebanese-muslim-gang-behaviour-incites-riot

>>
>> Dutton ridiculed for saying Melburnians were ‘scared to go out’
>> PETER Dutton has been ridiculed for claiming Melbourne people are
>> “scared to go out at restaurants” at night because of African street
>> gangs.
>
>My wife has just come back from Melbourne, her description of the
>Melbourne nightlife shows that is blatantly untrue

But you have a habit of lying

https://au.news.yahoo.com/vic/a/38277184/hoppers-crossing-grandmother-bashed-by-thugs/
http://tinyurl.com/y832tqnc
Scared for life': Grandmother bashed by cowardly thugs fears they will
return

**************************
Dutton states you are lying also
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/melbourne-people-scared-to-go-out-at-night-dutton-on-african-gangs
http://tinyurl.com/y9g23o3e
Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton believes people in Melbourne are

"scared to go out at restaurants" at night because of African street

gang violence, as the Victorian government stands firm over its
response to youth crime.

[de chucka]

On 9/01/2018 7:45 AM, Petzl wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Jan 2018 07:26:49 +1100, de chucka <Dech...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 9/01/2018 7:22 AM, Petzl wrote:
>>> On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 16:15:14 +1100, Fran
>>> <franhatesn...@loonynutters.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> :-)) Indeed. Nasty Ned the Nutter still hasn't figured out that his
>>>> definition is not what our village idiot wrote.
>>>
>>> Fran a vile creep, fan of other vile creeps in Aus.politics eg
>>> Dechucker, Ordog, SG1.
>>>
>>> Then "Labor/lefties" kill the messenger, police are not arresting
>>> thugs because of identity politics the thug street gangs are black
>>> Moslems from Sudan, Kenya,
>>
>> Seems they are given the number of arrests
>>
>> Same lies happen with Moslem rape gangs,
>>
>> You mean those ones in gaol?
>>
> only a few even then it's disproportionate to these invaders that have
> been welcomed here

So you lied about that

>
>>> Cronulla riots were caused by Moslems going from Lakemba in gangs not
>>> to enjoy the beach but to attack those who were, police again ordered
>>> to stand down, Sydney police even escorted a Moslem convoy of thugs to
>>> attack residents in Cronulla (happening every west nation where
>>> invaders are "welcomed")
>>
>> Oh not not this old lie
>
> Complete scum you are
> http://australian-news.net/article/cronulla-riots-lebanese-muslim-gang-behaviour-incites-riot

Come on are you seriously claiming this as your source, really look at
their cover page http://australian-news.net

>
>
>>>
>>> Dutton ridiculed for saying Melburnians were ‘scared to go out’
>>> PETER Dutton has been ridiculed for claiming Melbourne people are
>>> “scared to go out at restaurants” at night because of African street
>>> gangs.
>>
>> My wife has just come back from Melbourne, her description of the
>> Melbourne nightlife shows that is blatantly untrue
>
> But you have a habit of lying

How's your little tank going? your flame-thrower? used you direct
bat-phone link to ASIO recently?

> https://au.news.yahoo.com/vic/a/38277184/hoppers-crossing-grandmother-bashed-by-thugs/
> http://tinyurl.com/y832tqnc
> Scared for life': Grandmother bashed by cowardly thugs fears they will
> return
> **************************
> Dutton states you are lying also
> https://www.sbs.com.au/news/melbourne-people-scared-to-go-out-at-night-dutton-on-african-gangs
> http://tinyurl.com/y9g23o3e
> Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton believes people in Melbourne are
> "scared to go out at restaurants" at night because of African street
> gang violence, as the Victorian government stands firm over its
> response to youth crime.

Dutton is blatantly wrong

[Rudy Canoza]

Identity politics is politics based on someone's immutable
characteristics such as race, sex, sexual orientation, etc. - things
that people can't choose about themselves. Being a fuckwitted
totalitarian leftist is a choice.

Fuckwitted totalitarian leftists *do* engage in identity politics, but
not based on their being fuckwitted totalitarian leftists. A fuckwitted
totalitarian leftist woman, for example, will engage in identity
politics regarding "feminism". A fuckwitted totalitarian leftist black
will engage in identity politics surrounding race.

[de chucka]

OK so you're redefining IP to fit your argument, interesting but not
unexpected

>
> Fuckwitted totalitarian leftists *do* engage in identity politics, but
> not based on their being fuckwitted totalitarian leftists.  A fuckwitted
> totalitarian leftist woman, for example, will engage in identity
> politics regarding "feminism".  A fuckwitted totalitarian leftist black
> will engage in identity politics surrounding race.

You've now just contradicted yourself

[Rudy Canoza]

No. I'm giving you the definition of it.

>
>>
>> Fuckwitted totalitarian leftists *do* engage in identity politics, but
>> not based on their being fuckwitted totalitarian leftists.  A
>> fuckwitted totalitarian leftist woman, for example, will engage in
>> identity politics regarding "feminism".  A fuckwitted totalitarian
>> leftist black will engage in identity politics surrounding race.
>
> You've now just contradicted yourself

I haven't - not in any way.

[de chucka]

The evolving def'n

>
>>
>>>
>>> Fuckwitted totalitarian leftists *do* engage in identity politics,
>>> but not based on their being fuckwitted totalitarian leftists.  A
>>> fuckwitted totalitarian leftist woman, for example, will engage in
>>> identity politics regarding "feminism".  A fuckwitted totalitarian
>>> leftist black will engage in identity politics surrounding race.
>>
>> You've now just contradicted yourself
>
> I haven't - not in any way.

go back and read the thread, you're getting confused but keep going I'm
enjoying this

[Rudy Canoza]

No - *the* definition.

>>>
>>>>
>>>> Fuckwitted totalitarian leftists *do* engage in identity politics,
>>>> but not based on their being fuckwitted totalitarian leftists.  A
>>>> fuckwitted totalitarian leftist woman, for example, will engage in
>>>> identity politics regarding "feminism".  A fuckwitted totalitarian
>>>> leftist black will engage in identity politics surrounding race.
>>>
>>> You've now just contradicted yourself
>>
>> I haven't - not in any way.
>
> go back and read the thread

No need. You just lied, that's all. I did not make any contradiction.
I have been entirely consistent in defining and talking about identity
politics.

[Fran]

On 9/01/2018 7:51 AM, de chucka wrote:
> On 9/01/2018 7:45 AM, Petzl wrote:

>> But you have a habit of lying
>
> How's your little tank going? your flame-thrower? used you direct
> bat-phone link to ASIO recently?

LOL. Poor old pretzel. He can't even remember his own lies and that
he's the only one who says that you lie. You forgot to mention that
HUGE generator he claims to have and his machine gun.

[de chucka]

So which one is "*the* definition." the new one the old one or something
in between

>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Fuckwitted totalitarian leftists *do* engage in identity politics,
>>>>> but not based on their being fuckwitted totalitarian leftists.  A
>>>>> fuckwitted totalitarian leftist woman, for example, will engage in
>>>>> identity politics regarding "feminism".  A fuckwitted totalitarian
>>>>> leftist black will engage in identity politics surrounding race.
>>>>
>>>> You've now just contradicted yourself
>>>
>>> I haven't - not in any way.
>>
>> go back and read the thread
>
> No need.  You just lied, that's all.  I did not make any contradiction.
> I have been entirely consistent in defining and talking about identity
> politics.

except your def''n has changed and you use IP to denigrate people while
at he same time claiming it is "bad and wrong."

[Rudy Canoza]

The one I gave.

>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fuckwitted totalitarian leftists *do* engage in identity politics,
>>>>>> but not based on their being fuckwitted totalitarian leftists.  A
>>>>>> fuckwitted totalitarian leftist woman, for example, will engage in
>>>>>> identity politics regarding "feminism".  A fuckwitted totalitarian
>>>>>> leftist black will engage in identity politics surrounding race.
>>>>>
>>>>> You've now just contradicted yourself
>>>>
>>>> I haven't - not in any way.
>>>
>>> go back and read the thread
>>
>> No need.  You just lied, that's all.  I did not make any
>> contradiction. I have been entirely consistent in defining and talking
>> about identity politics.
>
> except your def''n has changed

No, it hasn't. You're lying about that. My definition has been
constant throughout.

[de chucka]

snip

>> except your def''n has changed
>
> No, it hasn't.  You're lying about that.  My definition has been
> constant throughout.

OK fair enough, give your current def'n so everyone can go back and check

[Rudy Canoza]

On 1/8/2018 1:59 PM, de chucka wrote:

>>> except your def''n has changed
>>
>> No, it hasn't. You're lying about that. My definition has been
>> constant throughout.
>
> OK fair enough, give your current def'n

I've only given one. Go back and read it.

[de chucka]

Actually you said 'brain dead ned's" one was correct and afterwards
changed it to include "Identity politics is politics based on someone's

immutable characteristics such as race, sex, sexual orientation, etc. -
things that people can't choose about themselves."

[Rudy Canoza]

No, he said mine is correct. In their essentials, his and mine are the
same; only the wording is a little different.

[de chucka]

>>Actually you said 'brain dead ned's" one was correct and afterwards changed it to include "Identity politics is politics based on someone's immutable characteristics such as race, sex, sexual orientation, etc. - things that people can't choose about themselves."

> No, he said mine is correct.  In their essentials, his and mine are the
> same; only the wording is a little different.

1) Don't snip without acknowledgement because what is written shows you up
2) 1/2 way through our discussion you added this proviso

[Rudy Canoza]

It doesn't, which is why I snip.

> 2) 1/2 way through our discussion you added this proviso

No.

[de chucka]

Sorry this proviso "Identity politics is politics based on someone's

[de chucka]

LOL :-)

>
>> 2) 1/2 way through our discussion you added this proviso
>
> No.

So who added this proviso ""Identity politics is politics based on

someone's immutable characteristics such as race, sex, sexual

orientation, etc. - things that people can't choose about themselves." ?

[Rudy Canoza]

>>> 2) 1/2 way through our discussion you added this proviso
>>
>> No.
>
> So who added this proviso ""Identity politics is politics based on
> someone's immutable characteristics such as race, sex, sexual
> orientation, etc. - things that people can't choose about themselves."

That was an elaboration of what I said earlier. It is not anything new
added to the definition.

Identity politics refers to people adopting and holding political
positions based on their (usually minority) group identity: race,
sex, sexual orientation, ethnicity, religion, etc.

Nothing in my subsequent elaboration in any changes what I first wrote.

[Rudy Canoza]

You kind of fucked that up earlier.

[Fran]

It's as reasonable a conspiracy theory as any other.

[de chucka]

snip

>> So who added this proviso ""Identity politics is politics based on
>> someone's immutable characteristics such as race, sex, sexual
>> orientation, etc. - things that people can't choose about themselves."
>
> That was an elaboration of what I said earlier.  It is not anything new
> added to the definition.
>
>    Identity politics refers to people adopting and holding political
>    positions based on their (usually minority) group identity:  race,
>    sex, sexual orientation, ethnicity, religion, etc.
>
> Nothing in my subsequent elaboration in any changes what I first wrote.

except it adds the proviso that IP is based on someone's immutable
characteristics. Now you're starting to bore me as you can't even keep
up a consistent argument :-(

[Fran]

On 9/01/2018 6:17 AM, de chucka wrote:
> On 9/01/2018 3:11 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 1/7/2018 11:51 PM, de chucka wrote:
>>> On 8/01/2018 6:42 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> Identity politics refers to people adopting and holding political
>>>>>>>>>> positions based on their (usually minority) group identity:
>>>>>>>>>> race, sex,

>>>>>>> "Identity politics refers to people adopting and holding political
>>>>>>>  >>> positions based on their (usually minority) group identity:
>>>>>>> race, sex,
>>>>>>>  >>> sexual orientation, ethnicity, religion, etc.
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Note in particular the words "people adopting and holding
>>>>>>> positions based on THEIR....".  That is the core of identity
>>>>>>> politics.  It's about SELF identifying.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's part of a movement, and it's bad and wrong and toxic.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It is not part of a movement
>>>>

>>>> It's part of a movement.
>>>
>>> It has occurred forever that groups of like people stuck together.
>>> People became interested in identifying these groups when it came to
>>> aiming consumer and political advertising at particular groups
>>
>> It has not occurred forever that there is a movement saying that a
>> person's entire political identity is defined by an invidious
>> characteristic over which he has no control.
>
> That 'movement' is stupid and is not IP

And 'movement's' have names and are organised and have a structure and
often buildings and some staff. Be interesting to find out the name and
headquarters of this 'movement' but I'll bet pounds to peanuts that any
such information will be forthcoming.

[Fran]

On 9/01/2018 6:53 AM, de chucka wrote:
> On 9/01/2018 6:38 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:


>> No, it has not.  "Factions", as James Madison called them, are not the
>> same as immutable group identity.  Farmers or landowners promoting
>> their self interest has nothing in common with people in a minority
>> group claiming to have a group-identity interest.  Blacks do not have
>> any interests as blacks - they have interests as citizens, the same as
>> any others.  There is no such thing as "women's interests".  To say
>> otherwise is to say there can be "special" rights, which of course is
>> nonsense and wrong.

Ball, there is absolutely no valid reason why any of those people cannot
call themselves 'women' or 'blacks' and use identity politics to serve
their interests. Just because you as a middle class white man don't
have a clue why they would do it and don't like them doing it or agree
with them doing it or think it's insane or toxic or vile or choose to
say it's a movement or whatever is totally irrelevant. You have no say
in the matter.

>
> Agreed but politicians, advertisers etc like to divide people into the
> groups for their own purposes

How can you agree with that silly statement? It's obvious to blind
Freddie why "factions" or "group identity" for blacks or women or any
other group other than white males occurs.

>> Also, people with interests due to profession or employment or some
>> other *choice* criterion are not exclusively defining themselves in
>> that way.  Identity politics says that people are exclusively defined
>> by their membership in groups over which they have no control.  It is
>> entirely racist and sexist and all the other bad "isms" - it says that
>> all blacks have the same identity and interests, all women do, etc.
>
> Which is why it is a silly concept but using your definition one that as
> been occurring for millennium
>
>>

>> I'm right about this and you are wrong, as usual.
>
> WOW a self proclaimed victory, up there with Trump's self proclaimed
> genius status

Yep.

[de chucka]

On 9/01/2018 9:42 AM, Fran wrote:
> On 9/01/2018 6:53 AM, de chucka wrote:
>> On 9/01/2018 6:38 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>
>
>>> No, it has not.  "Factions", as James Madison called them, are not
>>> the same as immutable group identity.  Farmers or landowners
>>> promoting their self interest has nothing in common with people in a
>>> minority group claiming to have a group-identity interest.  Blacks do
>>> not have any interests as blacks - they have interests as citizens,
>>> the same as any others.  There is no such thing as "women's
>>> interests".  To say otherwise is to say there can be "special"
>>> rights, which of course is nonsense and wrong.
>
> Ball, there is absolutely no valid reason why any of those people cannot
> call themselves 'women' or 'blacks' and use identity politics to serve
> their interests.  Just because you as a middle class white man don't
> have a clue why they would do it and don't like them doing it or agree
> with them doing it or think it's insane or toxic or vile or choose to
> say it's a movement or whatever is totally irrelevant.  You have no say
> in the matter.
>>
>> Agreed but politicians, advertisers etc like to divide people into the
>> groups for their own purposes
>
> How can you agree with that silly statement?  It's obvious to blind
> Freddie why "factions" or "group identity" for blacks or women or any
> other group other than white males occurs.

Are you saying that there is no white male identity?

[Rudy Canoza]

On 1/8/2018 2:27 PM, de chucka wrote:
> snip
>
>>> So who added this proviso ""Identity politics is politics based on
>>> someone's immutable characteristics such as race, sex, sexual
>>> orientation, etc. - things that people can't choose about themselves."
>>
>> That was an elaboration of what I said earlier.  It is not anything
>> new added to the definition.
>>
>>     Identity politics refers to people adopting and holding political
>>     positions based on their (usually minority) group identity:  race,
>>     sex, sexual orientation, ethnicity, religion, etc.
>>
>> Nothing in my subsequent elaboration in any changes what I first wrote.
>
> except it adds the proviso that IP is based on someone's immutable
> characteristics.

It doesn't.

Identity politics refers to people adopting and holding political
positions based on their (usually minority) group identity: race,
sex, sexual orientation, ethnicity,

Those are all immutable characteristics, regardless of whether or not I
first pointed it out. They are.

[Fran]

:-)) I'm just about to go and make a bowl of popcorn. Skitch
dechcucka, skitch.

[de chucka]

So you are claiming that IP doesn't apply to say religion or politics?

[Fran]

Would you like me to make you some popcorn as well?

[Fran]

I think I might need a second bowl of popcorn.

[Rudy Canoza]

On 1/8/2018 2:42 PM, Fran wrote:
> On 9/01/2018 6:53 AM, de chucka wrote:
>> On 9/01/2018 6:38 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>
>
>>> No, it has not.  "Factions", as James Madison called them, are not
>>> the same as immutable group identity.  Farmers or landowners
>>> promoting their self interest has nothing in common with people in a
>>> minority group claiming to have a group-identity interest.  Blacks do
>>> not have any interests as blacks - they have interests as citizens,
>>> the same as any others.  There is no such thing as "women's
>>> interests".  To say otherwise is to say there can be "special"
>>> rights, which of course is nonsense and wrong.
>

> Prof Canoza, there is absolutely no valid reason why any of those people cannot

> call themselves 'women' or 'blacks'

Bullshit.

>>
>> Agreed but politicians, advertisers etc like to divide people into the
>> groups for their own purposes
>
> How can you agree with that silly statement?

It's not silly, and you don't even understand what is being said, Fat Fran.

The key thing that you and your fellow Aussie fucktard don't understand
is that those who preach and want to act on identity politics say that
*all* of a person's political and social identity is tied up in that one
immutable characteristic.

[Fran]

I'm almost wishing that I didn't have both Nasty Ned the Nutter and Ball
in my killfile as I'd be able to go back and check. Now I'm going to
have to do a google groups search. With that new job on the task list,
I now won't be able to fit in reading the lowlife article on the EMP
attack. Blast, there goes the bell on the microwave for that next bowl
of popcorn.

[Fran]

On 8/01/2018 6:39 PM, de chucka wrote:
> On 8/01/2018 4:29 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:

>>> Awful that people call themselves True Australian hey pez?
>>
>> Awful that any Australian thinks of himself as anything except
>> Australian.  No on in Australia ought to give a fuck about
>> "left-handed queer dyslexic crippled Australian".  Either you're an
>> Australian, or you're not, and that's all that should matter.  No
>> right thinking person gives a flying fuck about your sub-national
>> identity, upchucka.
>
>
> So that's my lot in politics identity

And a complete woosh from Ball. And since Ball clearly missed it, how
on earth is poor old pretzel going to understand why you mentioned True
Australians. Ya gotta laugh.

[de chucka]

Do they? Does everyone of them?

The whole concept of IP is useful to a certain extent to try and put
people into boxes but it only goes so far ie most blacks in America vote
Democrat but not all, most low IQ red-necks vote for Trump but not all
(some couldn't figure out how to vote)

[de chucka]

snip

  Blast, there goes the bell on the microwave for that next bowl
> of popcorn.

Microwave popcorn? You have just gone down in my opinion must be stove
cooked preferably with home grown corn.

https://www.succeedheirlooms.com.au sell a good 'popping corn' corn

[Rudy Canoza]

There wasn't much of one until black and female and queer and crippled
malcontents started acting on *their* identities as the only important
things about themselves. Most of "white male identity" is a hate-based
caricature spat out by the left.