The Left and Their Campaign of Hate and Violence
Moderator
teams. Marx uses different terminology but we can refer to them using
modern labels of the political left and the political right. We can
start at the very beginning which presents a simplified model and the
root of modern complex power struggles so let’s go back to a time
before large civilizations and after hunting and gathering have
developed into agriculture and the society of the day is a small
settled tribe or village.
The chief of the village is a representation of the political right.
The right is the dominant political power. The villagers pay homage to
the chief by either payment or worship. Over time, the chief transfers
power to his or her children. Over generations the family’s power
becomes consolidated and insulated. Most if not all attempts at
overthrowing the chief by force are futile. The chief has security
forces and weapons enough to defeat any such attempt.
Enter, the political left.
A bright individual devises a scheme to entice the chief into sharing
some power. There is too much power still siding with the chief and as
no coup is possible, the individual goes along for the ride and
receives the benefits of shared power which in no way compares yet to
the chief’s but has raised the individual to a place of prominence.
Unfortunately for the rest of the village, homage is now paid to both
chief and the individual sharing the chief’s power.
Eventually other bright individuals following the lead of the first
individual devise schemes to entice the chief to share power but still
no coup is possible and homage owed by the villagers continues to
grow. Regardless of growing discontentment among the tribe, overthrow
is still not possible.
Make sense so far? Ok, let’s adapt the analogy to present day.
The existing power structure is a combination of right and left. With
our vast political systems it is difficult to tell which is which. To
the people, they are one in the same even though they make clear
distinctions between them often fostered by the left. Despite a
growing decentralization of power by the left, the people can only
accept their plight or devise a scheme to join the power structure.
Whether or not their intentions are to overthrow or to simply join in
is questionable, but the increasing cost being carried by the people
not in power is far less questionable.
If the left still believes overthrowing the leadership is possible,
they are deceived or naive. As it was in the village, no coup is
possible because no matter how much power is shared with the left, the
right maintains dominance and it is the right that dispenses the power
to the left but never so much that itself is threatened. As more and
more power is shared, the cost to the people increases until finally
there aren’t enough people available or willing to support the power
structure.
The eventual result of the process may decentralize power, but it can
never overthrow it for reasons already mentioned. Even if everyone has
found a place on the left, the right maintains its domination and
there is no one left to provide homage. The right now claims homage
from the left and we arrive back at the start with essentially the
same model we started with at the village.
The left’s attempts to bring about a new paradigm end in failure while
the financial burden on the general public increases. In the end,
despite what may or may not be considered good intentions, the left
joins the right and from the perspective of the public, nothing
changes but it does not stop there.
The left eventually realizes that no overthrow is possible without
violence, as Marx would attest to. So hate and violence is encouraged
by any means possible by inciting and disseminating hate and chaos
among the unsuspecting public and attacking institutions that form the
backbone of the society. From the hard work of their covert war on
culture and race, they now seek a violent and bloody overthrow of the
culture they hate so much. They exploit the general public’s
frustration and the hate the left nurtures so effectively with the
hope that the perceived culture representative of the dominant power
will overthrow itself through violence. It’s simply a strategy of
wanton destruction where an innocent and unsuspecting public are pawns
manipulated to destroy themselves.
From the perspective a political tactician the strategy of hate and
violence could be viewed as brilliant but from the perspective of the
hapless public it can be considered nothing less than tragic when the
effects on people’s lives and family’s are considered.
A Thomas
violent. When it isn't being any of those things, it's just...
waiting.
Roy
==
What a crock of shit..."generally hateful, spiteful and violent"...I
would guess that you have never read of or experienced the harsh
"whip" of capitalist reaction when workers want more wages or decent
working conditions. History has recorded how management has used
violence against their workers all over the world. Authors worldwide
have written of the unsafe and miserable conditions that many
employers subjected their "loyal" workers to. Even Jack London wrote
of these things although most people know of him from his other works.
Google is your friend...use it to educate yourself.
==
Heidi Graw
>"Roy" <wil...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>On Aug 24, 2:08 pm, A Thomas <athomas.mba2...@london.edu> wrote:
>> What a great post. The Left is trash: generally hateful, spiteful and
>> violent. When it isn't being any of those things, it's just...
>> waiting.
>Roy wrote:
>What a crock of shit..."generally hateful, spiteful and violent"...I
>would guess that you have never read of or experienced the harsh
>"whip" of capitalist reaction when workers want more wages or decent
>working conditions. History has recorded how management has used
>violence against their workers all over the world.
Hi Roy,
I'll share an experience that I had when I worked for a large
unionized corporation. The labour contract had expired and
the union had organized a negotiations committee. We
wanted to negotiate. Yet, in response to that, the corporation
set up a "War Room." The corporation chose to organize
a war committee. My jaw just about dropped to the floor
when I read that sign on the dooe.
A corporation waging war on its employees? Wow! That
was definitely not a good sign. We wanted to, in good
faith, negotiate a new contract, while *they* chose to declare
war in response. What an outrageous mentality
for a corporation to adopt!
Ah well...it was a good learning opportunity. They
challenged us to go to war and we took up that challenge!
At the end, the arbitrator gave us most of what we wanted
and the corporation had to concede defeat, albeit in a
rather unsportsmanlike manner.
Take care,
Heidi
Roy
> >"Roy" <wila...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
==
Thanks for your comments Heidi. Always nice to hear of other
experiences with human relations.
==
Racist Angry Old Underachieving White Man
> What a great post. The Left is trash: generally hateful, spiteful and
> violent.
>
Chip Berlet has described in some detail in his 2000 book, Right-Wing Populism
in America, which details its history from Bacon's Rebellion to the Ku
Klux Klan to the modern-day Posse Comitatus and militia/Patriot
movements. What distinguishes these populists from their left-wing
counterparts, as Berlet explains, is that "they combine attacks on
socially oppressed groups with grassroots mass mobilization and
distorted forms of antielitism based on scapegoating." Yet, building
on a false characterization of the history of populism, Goldberg goes
on to characterize such historical figures as Father Charles Coughlin,
the rabid anti-Semitic radio talker of the 1930s, and Sen. Joe
McCarthy as left-wing figures simply because of their populist
foundations.
Beyond the Klan, there were the Silver Shirts, the American Nazi Party, the
Posse Comitatus, the Aryan Nations, or the National Alliance -- all of
them openly right wing fascist organizations, many of them involved in some of
the nation's most horrific historical events. (The Oklahoma City
bombing, for instance, then there was William Dudley Pelley, Gerald L.K.
Smith, George Lincoln Rockwell, William Potter Gale, Richard Butler, or David
Duke -- all of them bona fide right wing racists and fascists.
"the Left" were the people who were beaten and murdered in the
1920s by the squadristi and the Brownshirts; and the first Germans
sent off to Nazi concentration camps like Dachau were not Jews but
socialists, communists, and other left-wing political prisoners,
including "liberal" priests and clerics.
Moderator
Looks like the middle class is catching on to the little game of
deception and are rising up. Shouldn't this make you happy since you
will have to work even harder to keep the deception going and hire
more people and whine for more government handouts? You can cite the
rising tide and monger fear of the repercussions of all those
"hateful, spiteful and violent" white middle class. You've got your
work cut out for you and you're still complaining?
David Deilley
> The chief of the village is a representation of the political right.
> The right is the dominant political power. The villagers pay homage to
> the chief by either payment or worship. Over time, the chief transfers
> power to his or her children.
Many tribal cultures are consensual, and many do not have heriditory
chiefs. You are just making this up. It's bullshit.
Roy
>
> - Show quoted text -
==
And what class do you represent?...the skulking, sulking and resentful
class perhaps? The employee who always works against his employers
best interests by backstabbing and lacklustre performance?
==
Meldon
I am a warrior of virtue. What class do you and Warman represent?
klunk
yew speakum UV hay-tun violenz IN WOIDZUV hay-tun violenz.....
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klunk
"Heidi Graw" <hg...@telus.net> wrote in message
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the unfortunately worst consequence of such an "anti-cooperative" attitude
is that trust and loyalty and commitment and motivation and any of those
qualities which contribute toward high levels of productivity and efficiency
are now completely gone...
Siobhan Medeiros
Yeah. Right. Sure you are.
Ned Carpenter
> I am a warrior of virtue.
I am the King of the Ferengi.
And, unlike you I am qualified for my work and don't throw temper
tantrums when someone more qualified beats me in an interview for a
new one. Your white skin entitles you to nothing.
AgitProp
"The Left" is the best "Enemy" money can buy.
The anarchist Bakunin sarcastically remarked about the followers of
Karl Marx: "They have one foot in the bank and one foot in the
socialist movement."
Meldon
Priceless!
Lisa Lisa
>
> The chief of the village is a representation of the political right.
> The right is the dominant political power. The villagers pay homage to
> the chief by either payment or worship. Over time, the chief transfers
> power to his or her children. Over generations the family’s power
> becomes consolidated and insulated. Most if not all attempts at
> overthrowing the chief by force are futile. The chief has security
> forces and weapons enough to defeat any such attempt.
A heavily-armed village is a polite village.
Same thing goes for schoolyards.
Lisa
Lisa Lisa
> by any means possible by inciting and disseminating hate and chaos
> among the unsuspecting public and attacking institutions that form the
> backbone of the society. From the hard work of their covert war on
> culture and race, they now seek a violent and bloody overthrow of the
> culture they hate so much. They exploit the general public’s
> frustration and the hate the left nurtures so effectively with the
> hope that the perceived culture representative of the dominant power
> will overthrow itself through violence.
There you go, projecting your own vicious fantasies onto others.
You're like that schmuck who attended Obama's health care meeting
while carrying a large gun. You're ready to blow your top, and you're
encouraging like-minded nutjobs to do the same.
Unfortunately for you, most people aren't quite that beserk.
Lisa
William Black
> On Aug 24, 3:25 pm, Moderator <meldo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The chief of the village is a representation of the political right.
>> The right is the dominant political power. The villagers pay homage to
>> the chief by either payment or worship. Over time, the chief transfers
>> becomes consolidated and insulated. Most if not all attempts at
>> overthrowing the chief by force are futile. The chief has security
>> forces and weapons enough to defeat any such attempt.
>
> A heavily-armed village is a polite village.
Except in Afghanistan...
--
William Black
"Any number under six"
The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat
single handed with a quarterstaff.
Moderator
There you go mongering hate again.
Galactic Overlord
Sure Meldon, but you're the loser in life here. The one who started
the vicious attack on your so-called "Leftists" and calling them
hateful.
If I attacked you, and you responded. And then I called you hateful
for doing so.
How would you feel?
I don't need an answer. I'm sick and tired of bitter right wing
freaks like you.
However, if you want to meet me face to face and talk about it, don't
be a coward.
Send me an email and we can arrange a meeting.
I travel a lot. It can be done.
♂ ☿ Turin ☤ ☭
Actually, it's essentially correct. Candy-ass liberals have been
effectively using divide and conquer tactics on property owners, along
with Leftists. Liberals don't want things to get too violent, but
Leftists don't mind.
Liberals are essentially just weakling bourgeois (capitalists) who
wish to step in and to clean up. So they're not too big on destroying
infrastructure. Leftists don't want to preserve the system and don't
believe in a middle class. So, whether or not they initiate any
destruction they'll gladly bring some marshmallows and music.
The rest of this crapola, is just a suburban middle classer's typical
masturbation of fantasy of trying to draw his/her faggy false
parallels - such as: liberals with leftists - that make him/her feel
big and pushy in the world (against minorities), while he/she is
really small, timid and controlled.
Capitalists have spent all of their stolen money. Now it's getting
time to finally pay the piper. That's why they're really going
overboard on the commie-plot bullshit, these days. But, do say "bye-
bye" to your cutsy middle-class. Obama is settling your hash.
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This has been another enlightening moment for all you bitch-asses, out
there, with:
Turin
I have such sites to show you...
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maketh a lie about these words or causeth them to not be known shall
burn in hell forever and ever...."
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> Lisa
SaPeIsMa
> On Aug 24, 3:25 pm, Moderator <meldo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > So hate and violence is encouraged
> > by any means possible by inciting and disseminating hate and chaos
> > among the unsuspecting public and attacking institutions that form the
> > backbone of the society. From the hard work of their covert war on
> > culture and race, they now seek a violent and bloody overthrow of the
> > frustration and the hate the left nurtures so effectively with the
> > hope that the perceived culture representative of the dominant power
> > will overthrow itself through violence.
>
> There you go, projecting your own vicious fantasies onto others.
>
> You're like that schmuck who attended Obama's health care meeting
> while carrying a large gun. You're ready to blow your top, and you're
> encouraging like-minded nutjobs to do the same.
>
So are you claiming that carrying a small gun would only lead to getting hot
under the collar ?
Can you demonstrate a CAUSAL link between
"carrying a >large< gun"
and
"being ready to blow one's top"
> Unfortunately for you, most people aren't quite that beserk.
>
> Lisa
Funny though that in Florida it has been found that people who carry guns
legally, commit less crime than the general population and EVEN the police.
While in Texas, it has been found that people who carry guns legally, have
only 1/6 the contact with the police that the rest of the population (that's
people like you) have...
Can you explain how this correlates with your claim of causality of "people
with >large< guns" being "ready to blow their tops" ?
Take as many screens as you need....
Roy
> On Aug 27, 8:36 pm, Lisa Lisa <harryharr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 24, 3:25 pm, Moderator <meldo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > So hate and violence is encouraged
> > > by any means possible by inciting and disseminating hate and chaos
> > > among the unsuspecting public and attacking institutions that form the
> > > backbone of the society. From the hard work of their covert war on
> > > culture and race, they now seek a violent and bloody overthrow of the
> > > frustration and the hate the left nurtures so effectively with the
> > > hope that the perceived culture representative of the dominant power
> > > will overthrow itself through violence.
>
> > There you go, projecting your own vicious fantasies onto others.
>
> > You're like that schmuck who attended Obama's health care meeting
> > while carrying a large gun. You're ready to blow your top, and you're
> > encouraging like-minded nutjobs to do the same.
>
> So are you claiming that carrying a small gun would only lead to getting hot
> under the collar ?
> Can you demonstrate a CAUSAL link between
> "carrying a >large< gun"
> and
> "being ready to blow one's top"
>
> > Unfortunately for you, most people aren't quite that beserk.
>
> > Lisa
>
> Funny though that in Florida it has been found that people who carry guns
> legally, commit less crime than the general population and EVEN the police.
> While in Texas, it has been found that people who carry guns legally, have
> only 1/6 the contact with the police that the rest of the population (that's
> people like you) have...
> Can you explain how this correlates with your claim of causality of "people
> with >large< guns" being "ready to blow their tops" ?
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
"SaPeIsMa" is a gun nut.
==
Lisa Lisa
> On Aug 27, 8:36 pm, Lisa Lisa <harryharr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
<snip>
> So are you claiming that carrying a small gun would only lead to getting hot
> under the collar ?
> Can you demonstrate a CAUSAL link between
> "carrying a >large< gun"
> and
> "being ready to blow one's top"
Nope. There's no direct link between gun ownership and crime, at
least not by itself. Other factors have to come into play as well.
> > Unfortunately for you, most people aren't quite that beserk.
>
> > Lisa
>
> Funny though that in Florida it has been found that people who carry guns
> legally, commit less crime than the general population and EVEN the police.
> While in Texas, it has been found that people who carry guns legally, have
> only 1/6 the contact with the police that the rest of the population (that's
> people like you) have...
> Can you explain how this correlates with your claim of causality of "people
> with >large< guns" being "ready to blow their tops" ?
Like I said, gun ownership by itself does not lead to crime. There
are other factors that have to come into play along with the gun
ownership.
Willie "The Tick" probably is, frankly, too cowardly to do the dirty
deed him. He won't assassinate Obama, because he doesn't want to face
the consequences. On the contrary, Willie is instead hoping to plant
the seed of that murderous idea in an unstable person's mind----
someone like, perhaps, the Texas Tower shooter in the early Sixties.
Or the followers of Charles Manson, even though they didn't use guns.
There must be thousands of suggestible bugjobs in the US; at least
one is ready to pick up on Kostric's "signal" and do what Kostric
himself is too smart (and cowardly) to do.
> Take as many screens as you need....
It ain't the gun; it's the nut behind the gun. And there are quite a
few nuts behind guns. They tend to hunker down as long as a society
is stable; they come out of the woodwork when a society becomes
unmoored.
I think we're due for a major unmooring.
Moderator
If the revolution has to be violent, it won't be the "revolutionaries"
pulling the trigger. The left needs, as you put it, "the nuts" to do
the dirty work and things are becoming unhinged more than ever.
Lisa Lisa
> On Aug 27, 8:36 pm, Lisa Lisa <harryharr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 24, 3:25 pm, Moderator <meldo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > So hate and violence is encouraged
> > > by any means possible by inciting and disseminating hate and chaos
> > > among the unsuspecting public and attacking institutions that form the
> > > backbone of the society. From the hard work of their covert war on
> > > culture and race, they now seek a violent and bloody overthrow of the
> > > culture they hate so much. They exploit the general public’s
> > > frustration and the hate the left nurtures so effectively with the
> > > hope that the perceived culture representative of the dominant power
> > > will overthrow itself through violence.
>
> > There you go, projecting your own vicious fantasies onto others.
>
> > You're like that schmuck who attended Obama's health care meeting
> > while carrying a large gun. You're ready to blow your top, and you're
> > encouraging like-minded nutjobs to do the same.
>
> > Unfortunately for you, most people aren't quite that beserk.
>
> Actually, it's essentially correct. Candy-ass liberals have been
> effectively using divide and conquer tactics on property owners, along
> with Leftists. Liberals don't want things to get too violent, but
> Leftists don't mind.
So what's your point?
Oh well, look whom I'm asking. Some Usenut. Probably one with heavy
firepower, too.
Lisa
Lisa Lisa
Willie "The Tic" is hardly a Leftist. He's a cowardly reactionary,
racist hater who obviously wants to assassinate Obama, but doesn't
have the stones to go ahead and do it. He wants someone else to do
his dirty work for him.
He's a ball-less coward.
♂ ☿ Turin ☤ ☭
> On Aug 29, 11:54 pm, ♂ ☿ Turin ☤ ☭ <turinturamba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> So what's your point?
I guess I ain't surprised that it went over your head.
> Oh well, look whom I'm asking.
Yeah, do:
Someone with, at least, your own (real) I.Q. ...cubed.
> Some Usenut.
That doesn't say much for you.
> Probably one with heavy
> firepower, too.
Most women wait until after they've slept with me, before saying
that. Eyes-level, girl ...Are your headlights on, or are you just
happy to see me...?
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Beloved of the Gods:
SaPeIsMa
"Lisa Lisa" <harryh...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Aug 30, 9:34 am, "SaPeIsMa" <SaPeI...@HotMail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 27, 8:36 pm, Lisa Lisa <harryharr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
<snip>
> So are you claiming that carrying a small gun would only lead to getting
> hot under the collar ?
> Can you demonstrate a CAUSAL link between
> "carrying a >large< gun"
> and
> "being ready to blow one's top"
#
# Nope. There's no direct link between gun ownership and crime, at
# least not by itself. Other factors have to come into play as well.
#
If there is NO "causal link by itself", then there is NO causal link PERIOD.
> > Unfortunately for you, most people aren't quite that beserk.
>
> > Lisa
>
> Funny though that in Florida it has been found that people who carry guns
> legally, commit less crime than the general population and EVEN the
> police.
> While in Texas, it has been found that people who carry guns legally, have
> only 1/6 the contact with the police that the rest of the population
> (that's
> people like you) have...
> Can you explain how this correlates with your claim of causality of
> "people
> with >large< guns" being "ready to blow their tops" ?
#
# Like I said, gun ownership by itself does not lead to crime. There
# are other factors that have to come into play along with the gun
# ownership.
Here comes the "spin"...
#
# Willie "The Tick" probably is, frankly, too cowardly to do the dirty
# deed him. He won't assassinate Obama, because he doesn't want to face
# the consequences. On the contrary, Willie is instead hoping to plant
# the seed of that murderous idea in an unstable person's mind----
# someone like, perhaps, the Texas Tower shooter in the early Sixties.
Too bad there is NO EVIDENCE that the Texas Tower shooter was in any way
influencable by anyone else.
# Or the followers of Charles Manson, even though they didn't use guns.
# There must be thousands of suggestible bugjobs in the US; at least
# one is ready to pick up on Kostric's "signal" and do what Kostric
# himself is too smart (and cowardly) to do.
A classic example of the "everything and anything is possible" argument.
Too bad it's so broad, it's meaningless.
> Take as many screens as you need....
#
# It ain't the gun; it's the nut behind the gun. And there are quite a
# few nuts behind guns. They tend to hunker down as long as a society
# is stable; they come out of the woodwork when a society becomes
# unmoored.
<Yawn>
More stupid spin
It's not the gun, it's the nut berhind the gun..
If it's not the gun, then focus on the nuts and not the gun
Otherwise, your denial of "It's not the gun" is a lie.
#
# I think we're due for a major unmooring.
#
And Obambi seems intent on speeding it up..
SaPeIsMa
# Willie "The Tic" is hardly a Leftist. He's a cowardly reactionary,
# racist hater who obviously wants to assassinate Obama, but doesn't
# have the stones to go ahead and do it. He wants someone else to do
# his dirty work for him.
#
# He's a ball-less coward.
What is it about lefties and their fascination with other people's sexual
organs ?
Gunner Asch
<harryh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Take as many screens as you need....
>
>It ain't the gun; it's the nut behind the gun. And there are quite a
>few nuts behind guns. They tend to hunker down as long as a society
>is stable; they come out of the woodwork when a society becomes
>unmoored.
>
>
>I think we're due for a major unmooring.
Indeed we are. I hope you are not a Leftwinger. Its gonna suck to be
you if you are.
But then...fertilizing flower beds is useful.
Gunner
Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your
wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do
something damned nasty to all three of them.
Gunner Asch
As you would be as well?
klunk
> Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your
> wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do
> something damned nasty to all three of them.
whenever a reichtoid slams liberals, it's always a projection... ;-)
Lisa Lisa
> On Sun, 30 Aug 2009 15:51:08 -0700 (PDT), Lisa Lisa
>
>
> >> Take as many screens as you need....
>
> >It ain't the gun; it's the nut behind the gun. And there are quite a
> >few nuts behind guns. They tend to hunker down as long as a society
> >is stable; they come out of the woodwork when a society becomes
> >unmoored.
>
> >I think we're due for a major unmooring.
>
> Indeed we are. I hope you are not a Leftwinger. Its gonna suck to be
> you if you are.
>
> But then...fertilizing flower beds is useful.
>
> Gunner
Wow! I think one just came out of the woodwork! And it took no time,
and no effort at all!
Lisa Lisa
These people are unstable. They're ready to blow. They're exactly the
type Willie was appealing to.
Moderator
an inherent skepticism of authorities. I was too young to be marching
at university campuses but the entire era rubbed off on me. I have
identified with and considered myself a member of the left for almost
my entire life. Then something happened and it drove me on a quest for
understanding. When I was able to identify the forces at work that
caused me to undertake the quest in the first place, I swore I would
never be silent and that I would fight against those forces that
caused my misery.
What I’m saying is, I supported the same things the left does like
social justice for example until I realized that social justice did
not include me. I supported civil rights until I found that my civil
rights had been removed. I supported government funded health care
until I found out I was paying for the health care for things I didn’t
believe in. I supported immigration until I found my ability to gain
employment had been severely damaged.
This is not the 1970’s where these notions of social justice and human
rights have to be sold to the public. These policies have already been
in place for thirty years or more and I’m now experiencing the
effects. The propaganda once powerful and necessary to forward those
proposals is now falling on deaf ears. The results of those policies
have left my family, my country and myself in a shambles. If the left
wants to continue this path of alleged social justice, the left will
have to find a way that the policies include everyone. Currently they
do not.
Phlip
> Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your
> wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do
> something damned nasty to all three of them.
The noted librul Glenn Beck has perverted a book called /Common
Sense/. Originally by Thomas Paine, another noted librul. Oh, also a
"founding father". Go figure!
Gunner Asch
wrote:
>
>
>Too bad there is NO EVIDENCE that the Texas Tower shooter was in any way
>influencable by anyone else.
And its been well studied that he was suffering from a large tumor in
his brain.
So by all of todays standards..that his tumor made him mentally ill,
also made him a Leftwinger.
Gunner Asch
Darlin...Far Leftwing Extremist Fringe kooks travel into
Misc.Survivalism land with disturbing regularity to attempt to puff up
and flutter..hoping folks will think them eagles. Tweety birds they
are..but hey....they try.
So having you flapping your biddy widdle wings and crowing like a
rooster isnt a really noteworthy event.
But its fun at times, when there isnt much else going on..to setting
your tail feathers on fire, then putting you out with a bucket of water,
showing everyone how scraggly a bird they actually are...has its
rewards.
See...we folk tend to have dealt with your ilks buffoonery for many many
years...and torching you like a flambe is easy as hell.
Gunner Asch
wrote:
??? Take your meds and try again.
Gunner
klunk
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it sounds like you've been disillusioned by the gap between idealism and
reality... how unfortunate it is that you've chosen to blame the ideals for
the ills you've suffered by being on the short end of that gap...
ideals are guides... reality is what people do... ideals don't fail
people... people fail ideals...
klunk
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nor any effort of thought...
Lisa Lisa
>
> - Show quoted text -
Social justice is emphatically open to all, and you're not going to
get any if you keep voting Republican.
All you're doing is cutting off your nose to spite your face when your
vote Republican.
Moderator
The right is a more complicated issue to examine but it is clear to
anyone who has experienced it, the left’s medicine is worse than the
disease.
mastermind
"Lisa Lisa" <harryh...@yahoo.com> wrote
Social justice is emphatically open to all, and you're not going to
get any if you keep voting Republican.
All you're doing is cutting off your nose to spite your face when your
vote Republican.
"Meldon" is now a Canadian. He votes only for mens-rights parties or those who will help him
fight his most dreaded enemy: feminists.
He's "miserable" because he's a sexist male having to live in a world with more and more
feminists being born & bred every day.
Moderator
I haven't anything against feminists. They are a stepping stone into
what's wrong with society. Their model is a good lesson to study. My
argument goes well beyond the self-serving and self-destructive
feminist movement. They were simply the first group of frauds most men
come across when examining what's gone wrong.
klunk
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only to those who have difficulty with concepts like social justice... those
who are greedy fucks without morals or scruples don't give a shit about
someone's ill health unless a profit can be made from squeezing the
desperate and needy...
as far as the rest of the crap about the so-called "extreme left".... even
most people who consider themselves "leftists" support capitalism.... and
few, if any on the right will budge even a molecule to consider the value of
a social program...
klunk
"Moderator" <meld...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> mastermind wrote:
>> "Lisa Lisa" <harryh...@yahoo.com> wrote
>> Social justice is emphatically open to all, and you're not going to
>> get any if you keep voting Republican.
>>
>> All you're doing is cutting off your nose to spite your face when your
>> vote Republican.
>>
>>
>> "Meldon" is now a Canadian. He votes only for mens-rights parties or
>> those who will help him
>> fight his most dreaded enemy: feminists.
>>
>> He's "miserable" because he's a sexist male having to live in a world
>> with more and more
>> feminists being born & bred every day.
>>
>>
>> On Aug 30, 11:34 pm, Moderator <meldo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I?m a child of the sixties. I was raised in a climate of rebellion and
>> > an inherent skepticism of authorities. I was too young to be marching
>> > at university campuses but the entire era rubbed off on me. I have
>> > identified with and considered myself a member of the left for almost
>> > my entire life. Then something happened and it drove me on a quest for
>> > understanding. When I was able to identify the forces at work that
>> > caused me to undertake the quest in the first place, I swore I would
>> > never be silent and that I would fight against those forces that
>> > caused my misery.
>> >
>> > What I?m saying is, I supported the same things the left does like
>> > social justice for example until I realized that social justice did
>> > not include me. I supported civil rights until I found that my civil
>> > rights had been removed. I supported government funded health care
>> > until I found out I was paying for the health care for things I didn?t
>> > believe in. I supported immigration until I found my ability to gain
>> > employment had been severely damaged.
>> >
>> > This is not the 1970?s where these notions of social justice and human
>> > rights have to be sold to the public. These policies have already been
>> > in place for thirty years or more and I?m now experiencing the
>> > effects. The propaganda once powerful and necessary to forward those
>> > proposals is now falling on deaf ears. The results of those policies
>> > have left my family, my country and myself in a shambles. If the left
>> > wants to continue this path of alleged social justice, the left will
>> > have to find a way that the policies include everyone. Currently they
>> > do not.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > klunk wrote:
>> > > > Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab
>> > > > your
>> > > > wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do
>> > > > something damned nasty to all three of them.
>> >
>> > > whenever a reichtoid slams liberals, it's always a projection... ;-)-
>
> I haven't anything against feminists. They are a stepping stone into
> what's wrong with society. Their model is a good lesson to study. My
> argument goes well beyond the self-serving and self-destructive
> feminist movement. They were simply the first group of frauds most men
> come across when examining what's gone wrong.
which is another way of saying you don't dislike feminists, you just don't
like them...
...and is yet another example of the sort of bitterness you've developed as
a result of an inability to cope with the difference between an ideal and
reality.... but... here's a hint for you.... feminism is about achieving
gender equality....
men who use it as an excuse to adopt generalized and negative attitudes
toward independent women are bigots... no more, no less...
women who use feminism as a means of manipulating outcomes in their favour
are not being feminists in their actions, they're being just as ignorant as
the men who make fraudulently self-serving and self-destructive judgments
about women... ;-)
Moderator
Go back to school. On second thought, experience poverty. You'll see
how the "social justice league" really works and who benefits.
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/01/05/news/05iht-kuala.2.t.html
Communism once called itself the workers party. Nice intentions gone
wrong - always.
Lisa Lisa
> On Aug 30, 6:57 pm, Lisa ⚢ Lisa <harryharr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
<snip>
> > Probably one with heavy
> > firepower, too.
>
> Most women wait until after they've slept with me, before saying
> that. Eyes-level, girl ...Are your headlights on, or are you just
> happy to see me...?
You ain't Li'l Wayne, so the answer is "no."
Lisa Lisa
> "Lisa Lisa" <harryharr...@yahoo.com> wrote
> Social justice is emphatically open to all, and you're not going to
> get any if you keep voting Republican.
>
> All you're doing is cutting off your nose to spite your face when your
> vote Republican.
>
> "Meldon" is now a Canadian. He votes only for mens-rights parties or those who will help him
> fight his most dreaded enemy: feminists.
>
> He's "miserable" because he's a sexist male having to live in a world with more and more
> feminists being born & bred every day.
Canada, huh? I don't know how things are in Polar Bear country, but
the Great American Colossus owes the Chinese a cool trillion dollars.
And don't even ask how much the other Asian countries have lent us.
Lisa
klunk
"Moderator" <meld...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> klunk wrote:
>> "Moderator" <meld...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:61a9a081-844f-4819...@l34g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> >
>> > Lisa Lisa wrote:
>> >> On Aug 30, 11:34 pm, Moderator <meldo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > I?m a child of the sixties. I was raised in a climate of rebellion
>> >> > and
>> >> > an inherent skepticism of authorities. I was too young to be
>> >> > marching
>> >> > at university campuses but the entire era rubbed off on me. I have
>> >> > identified with and considered myself a member of the left for
>> >> > almost
>> >> > my entire life. Then something happened and it drove me on a quest
>> >> > for
>> >> > understanding. When I was able to identify the forces at work that
>> >> > caused me to undertake the quest in the first place, I swore I would
>> >> > never be silent and that I would fight against those forces that
>> >> > caused my misery.
>> >> >
>> >> > What I?m saying is, I supported the same things the left does like
>> >> > social justice for example until I realized that social justice did
>> >> > not include me. I supported civil rights until I found that my civil
>> >> > rights had been removed. I supported government funded health care
>> >> > until I found out I was paying for the health care for things I
>> >> > didn?t
>> >> > believe in. I supported immigration until I found my ability to gain
>> >> > employment had been severely damaged.
>> >> >
>> >> > This is not the 1970?s where these notions of social justice and
>> >> > human
>> >> > rights have to be sold to the public. These policies have already
>> >> > been
>> >> > in place for thirty years or more and I?m now experiencing the
>> >> > effects. The propaganda once powerful and necessary to forward those
>> >> > proposals is now falling on deaf ears. The results of those policies
>> >> > have left my family, my country and myself in a shambles. If the
>> >> > left
>> >> > wants to continue this path of alleged social justice, the left will
>> >> > have to find a way that the policies include everyone. Currently
>> >> > they
>> >> > do not.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > klunk wrote:
>> >> > > > Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense
>> >> > > > approach"....grab
>> >> > > > your
>> >> > > > wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to
>> >> > > > do
>> >> > > > something damned nasty to all three of them.
>> >> >
>> >> > > whenever a reichtoid slams liberals, it's always a projection...
>> >> > > ;-)-
>> >> > > Hide quoted text -
>> >> >
>> >> > - Show quoted text -
>> >>
>> >> Social justice is emphatically open to all, and you're not going to
>> >> get any if you keep voting Republican.
>> >>
>> >> All you're doing is cutting off your nose to spite your face when your
>> >> vote Republican.
>> >
>> > The right is a more complicated issue to examine but it is clear to
>> > anyone who has experienced it, the left?s medicine is worse than the
>> > disease.
>>
>> only to those who have difficulty with concepts like social justice...
>> those
>> who are greedy fucks without morals or scruples don't give a shit about
>> someone's ill health unless a profit can be made from squeezing the
>> desperate and needy...
>>
>> as far as the rest of the crap about the so-called "extreme left"....
>> even
>> most people who consider themselves "leftists" support capitalism.... and
>> few, if any on the right will budge even a molecule to consider the value
>> of
>> a social program...
>
> Go back to school. On second thought, experience poverty. You'll see
> how the "social justice league" really works and who benefits.
> http://www.nytimes.com/2001/01/05/news/05iht-kuala.2.t.html
>
> Communism once called itself the workers party. Nice intentions gone
> wrong - always.
apparently... just like yours... such cynicism leads to only one
conclusion... broken and bitter despair... feel free to swallow whatever
pill you like... some of us prefer the one which doesn't create an illusory
and self-serving reality...
the issue of communism as a viable system has been addressed by history...
as has rampant capitalism...
the issue now, is how to develop a hybrid which takes the best from both
worlds in order to finally create a viable system where true equality can be
made real... and not just an ideal that destroys the souls of those whose
reach exceed their grasp...
klunk
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don't worry... canuckistan has been giving away the store to the us for
decades now...
>
>
> Lisa
Moderator
> "Moderator" <meldo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:f379286f-272b-4dad...@z28g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > mastermind wrote:
> >> "Lisa Lisa" <harryharr...@yahoo.com> wrote
No stupid. I think feminists are dumb but I don't hold that against
them. Their policies however are a different story. Feminism cried,
"end sexism", launched a war on male gender and went on to legislate
sexism. I call it gender politics and that's all it is. Sexist, self-
serving, short-sighted and unsustainable. Women are waking up to
gender politics and the true nature of feminism.
http://www.orangetaxi.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/sexism.bmp
>
> ...and is yet another example of the sort of bitterness you've developed as
> a result of an inability to cope with the difference between an ideal and
> reality.... but... here's a hint for you.... feminism is about achieving
> gender equality....
Feminism is about poltical power which feminists are incapable of
understanding and unsophisticated enough to manage. Feminism says, "go
to work ladies" and calls it freedom. When women can't compete, they
legislate. They're exceedingly good at that. How does one legislate
against a fast moving train? STUPID. http://cencalrails.railfan.net/traingirl.mpg
>
> men who use it as an excuse to adopt generalized and negative attitudes
> toward independent women are bigots... no more, no less...
Independant? Are you kidding? Women are about as independant as a
parapalegic sailor (also a woman).
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hzefpWM-zbhzM4Iso3HXcZLOZo0Q
>
> women who use feminism as a means of manipulating outcomes in their favour
You just condemned the entire feminist movement. Geez, you're such a
fucking moron.
> are not being feminists in their actions, they're being just as ignorant as
> the men who make fraudulently self-serving and self-destructive judgments
> about women... ;-)-
Fraudulent, self-serving self-destructive judgements? Holy shit. I'm
having trouble finding a coherent point within this crap you call
writing. Do us a favor and learn some history before you go deciding
the future. Dip-shit.
klunk
"Moderator" <meld...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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actually stupid... you've just reaffirmed what I inferred about you, but...
since you were too stupid to catch the drift the first time around, I'm
quite certain you're too stupid to comprehend exactly how oblivious you are
to the fact that the shit you say only digs a deeper hole for you... ;-)
>
>>
>> ...and is yet another example of the sort of bitterness you've developed
>> as
>> a result of an inability to cope with the difference between an ideal and
>> reality.... but... here's a hint for you.... feminism is about achieving
>> gender equality....
>
>
> Feminism is about poltical power which feminists are incapable of
> understanding and unsophisticated enough to manage. Feminism says, "go
> to work ladies" and calls it freedom. When women can't compete, they
> legislate. They're exceedingly good at that. How does one legislate
> against a fast moving train? STUPID.
> http://cencalrails.railfan.net/traingirl.mpg
blah-blah-blah-blah-blah.... more shit that makes me embarrassed to share
the same gender with you... I think the most appropriate experience for you
is to hook up with an intense man-hater... and then the two of you can go at
each other commiserating about how each have been so hard done by the
other... and then you can go waaaaaaaaahhhhhh-waaaaaaahhhhhh on each others'
shoulders....
and maybe... just maybe... after a good long cry, you can learn how to see
the people beyond the genders and realize that assholes come in all shapes
and sizes... apparently, the bigger the asshole, the less they realize
they're being an asshole...
after that... most people just try to get along in the world while carrying
around pretty much the same baggage as you're carrying but... somehow...
they seem far better at dealing with it... they somehow learn to accept the
reality of their situations... and instead of whining "woe is me", they
smile and say, "what a beautiful day"... they somehow find strength in being
able to recognize that others are also walking around feeling just as
wounded... and there are even some whose wounds make yours pale in
comparison....
and yet... every day, they're always ready to accept with a smile that each
new person they meet is a new adventure... and an entirely unpredictable
experience....
painting broad brushes over concepts you've not bothered to understand or
even explore beyond how to address your irritations.... are simply nothing
more than a huge neon sign which reads, "misogynist"....
>
>
>>
>> men who use it as an excuse to adopt generalized and negative attitudes
>> toward independent women are bigots... no more, no less...
>
> Independant? Are you kidding? Women are about as independant as a
> parapalegic sailor (also a woman).
> http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hzefpWM-zbhzM4Iso3HXcZLOZo0Q
and here we go again... you've just dug yourself waaaaaay past china now....
don't bother trying to come back because you've just sealed your fate....
>
>>
>> women who use feminism as a means of manipulating outcomes in their
>> favour
>
> You just condemned the entire feminist movement. Geez, you're such a
> fucking moron.
wow... not only did you completely botch your attempt to re-contextualize my
statement into something you could use to make me look bad, but you managed
to make yourself look even more stupid at the same time... good show, ol'
chap.... ;-)
>
>> are not being feminists in their actions, they're being just as ignorant
>> as
>> the men who make fraudulently self-serving and self-destructive judgments
>> about women... ;-)-
>
> Fraudulent, self-serving self-destructive judgements? Holy shit. I'm
> having trouble finding a coherent point within this crap you call
> writing. Do us a favor and learn some history before you go deciding
> the future. Dip-shit.
well stupid, if you actually had a point with your reference toward history,
I'm sure you would have made one... unfortunately, your transparent ploy to
recover from being made look like an utter idiot only reveals to the world
yet another tactic employed by buffoons who get backed into a wall...
yes folks... the ol' hurl out the "lurn sum history" nugget and hope to hell
he's intimidated by that.... uh oh.... what if he's not....?.... didya think
that far...?.... nah... nincompoops like you rarely ever do...
so... what history are you referring to...?... marie curie...?.... anne
boleyn...?... how about the ones who were burned at the stake for
witchcraft...?... or the ones who are being mutilated in cultures around the
word today...?... you know... for either ritualistic reasons such as
circumcisions or sadistic reasons such as being sentenced to violent deaths
for minor infractions... or being refused an education and being reduced to
baby factories....?....
ahhhhh.... your beef is the entire concept of equality... which is why
you've now answered my questions on your other posts about fighting for
"your own brand of justice"... they're just the typical whiny crap from a
child-like mind that hasn't grasped the reality of life not being fair...
as far as my questions about your rights to fatherhood... you've also
answered them.... clearly, you have a screw loose and the best thing for
your kid is for you to stay as far away as possible... the only influence
you will serve otherwise is as an infection...
Lisa Lisa
You're the type of person Willie was appealing to. I'm sure you're
ready to blow a gasket.
Lisa
Moderator
>
> - Show quoted text -
Whatever you do, please don't discuss the issues.
Gunner Asch
How can I be "ready to blow a gasket" when I find you and yours so
absurd and funny?
Little birdies like you are fun to watch as you flap your widdle wings
and peck at the ground, and raise your beaks and crow. Shrug And when
its time, we grab one, smash its head against the chopping block, cut
off its head and start pulling off its feathers.
But then..Im not sure yall are fit to eat. Perhaps your mental illness
is caused by mad cows disease or something?
What do you think, Lisa? Is your buffoonery contagious? Or are you
leftists simply the result of bad genes?
SaPeIsMa
# You're the type of person Willie was appealing to. I'm sure you're
# ready to blow a gasket.
#
Keep projecting like that and you'll soon qualify for a job in a cinema..
Lisa
Gunner Asch
wrote:
You think Harryharry is competent to run the popcorn maker at a cinema?
I dont.
klunk
"Moderator" <meld...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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....because you don't like feeling so intimidated by being shown your own
lack of insight into them...?...
Moderator
You don't seem to be discussing the issues.
klunk
"Moderator" <meld...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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you only say that because you've been dodging them... ;-)
Meldon
<ao...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> A Thomas wrote
>
> > What a great post. The Left is trash: generally hateful, spiteful and
> > violent.
>
> Chip Berlet has described in some detail in his 2000 book, Right-Wing Populism
> in America, which details its history from Bacon's Rebellion to the Ku
> Klux Klan to the modern-day Posse Comitatus and militia/Patriot
> movements. What distinguishes these populists from their left-wing
> counterparts, as Berlet explains, is that "they combine attacks on
> socially oppressed groups with grassroots mass mobilization and
> distorted forms of antielitism based on scapegoating." Yet, building
> on a false characterization of the history of populism, Goldberg goes
> on to characterize such historical figures as Father Charles Coughlin,
> the rabid anti-Semitic radio talker of the 1930s, and Sen. Joe
> McCarthy as left-wing figures simply because of their populist
> foundations.
>
> Beyond the Klan, there were the Silver Shirts, the American Nazi Party, the
> Posse Comitatus, the Aryan Nations, or the National Alliance -- all of
> them openly right wing fascist organizations, many of them involved in some of
> the nation's most horrific historical events. (The Oklahoma City
> bombing, for instance, then there was William Dudley Pelley, Gerald L.K.
> Smith, George Lincoln Rockwell, William Potter Gale, Richard Butler, or David
> Duke -- all of them bona fide right wing racists and fascists.
>
> "the Left" were the people who were beaten and murdered in the
> 1920s by the squadristi and the Brownshirts; and the first Germans
> sent off to Nazi concentration camps like Dachau were not Jews but
> socialists, communists, and other left-wing political prisoners,
> including "liberal" priests and clerics.
Ok, I've reviewed the book and reached the conclusion that it is a
leftist perspective. It groups just about everyone who does not side
with the left as a right-wing radical. It clearly demonstrates how the
left seeks division among its opposition in an ironic twist of the
Bush administration’s "you're either with us or your against us"
mentality. Simply put, this leftist hate-mongering piece of crap plays
the same game that so profits an existing power structure to the
detriment of the rest of us. The left are playing the same game and
supports the hypothesis that the left joins the right. They play off
each other.
I hope someone else has picked up on the fact that when criticising
the left, the immediate retort is an attack on the right. Its
bullshit! We're tired of it. It unfortunately makes a strong argument
for anarchism, which cannot be acheived from a standing start but
anything but the status quo, is acceptable to those on the left.
Don't waste time identifying the right. Its not possible. Any
semblance of a true right disappeared thousands of years ago. It has
simply been replaced time and time again with a new left. Was the
church of the dark ages the right or were the monarchies of the same
period? Were the monarchies the right of that period or were the
merchants? Do you see how pointless that argument is?
Consider all political power to be different forms of the left. Each
one squabbling for a little more power until a new left comes along
and gains support in an alleged attempt to fix things.
http://books.google.com/books?id=Md1aRhWNk1QC&dq=Right-Wing+Populism+in+america&printsec=frontcover&source=bn&hl=en&ei=9v6dSvHiAczPlAepmKXTDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4
klunk
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lol.... talk about not seeing the forest for the trees... ;-)
Meldon
You are a perfect example.
klunk
"Meldon" <meldo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> > Bush administration?s "you're either with us or your against us"
>> > mentality. Simply put, this leftist hate-mongering piece of crap plays
>> > the same game that so profits an existing power structure to the
>> > detriment of the rest of us. The left are playing the same game and
>> > supports the hypothesis that the left joins the right. They play off
>> > each other.
>> >
>> > I hope someone else has picked up on the fact that when criticising
>> > the left, the immediate retort is an attack on the right. Its
>> > bullshit! We're tired of it. It unfortunately makes a strong argument
>> > for anarchism, which cannot be acheived from a standing start but
>> > anything but the status quo, is acceptable to those on the left.
>> >
>> > Don't waste time identifying the right. Its not possible. Any
>> > semblance of a true right disappeared thousands of years ago. It has
>> > simply been replaced time and time again with a new left. Was the
>> > church of the dark ages the right or were the monarchies of the same
>> > period? Were the monarchies the right of that period or were the
>> > merchants? Do you see how pointless that argument is?
>> >
>> > Consider all political power to be different forms of the left. Each
>> > one squabbling for a little more power until a new left comes along
>> > and gains support in an alleged attempt to fix things.
>> > http://books.google.com/books?id=Md1aRhWNk1QC&dq=Right-Wing+Populism+in+america&printsec=frontcover&source=bn&hl=en&ei=9v6dSvHiAczPlAepmKXTDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4
>>
>> lol.... talk about not seeing the forest for the trees... ;-)
>
> You are a perfect example.
oh...?... how so...?...
Lisa Lisa
>
> Don't waste time identifying the right. Its not possible. Any
> semblance of a true right disappeared thousands of years ago. It has
> simply been replaced time and time again with a new left. Was the
> church of the dark ages the right or were the monarchies of the same
> period? Were the monarchies the right of that period or were the
> merchants? Do you see how pointless that argument is?
Oh man, you are one confused dope.
Roy
He is really rambling...symptom of drug interaction perhaps?
==
Meldon
That would explain the Liberal Party. ROFLMAO
Moderator
Really? Let me try again.
"..The phrase right-wing was coined during the French Revolution, when
right-wing referred to seating arrangements in parliament; those who
sat on the right supported the monarchy, the aristocracy and the
established church.[4][5][6][7]
The concept of a distinct political Right developed after the second
restoration of the French monarchy in 1815 with the Ultra-royalists.
Today the term the Right is primarily used to refer to political
groups that have a historical connection with the traditional Right,
including conservatives, reactionaries, monarchists, aristocrats,
religious fundamentalists, and some nationalists. But in modern times,
the Right has also encompassed views supporting capitalism and free
markets, and making the right of private property the paramount right.
[8]..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics#cite_note-Parliaments_1988_pp._287-302-3
The terms are RELATIVE and no distinct characteristic on either side
can be made with accuracy. So, before the terms were coined, who was
representative of the left and of the right? Do you see what I'm
getting at? For instance, who was representative of the left and right
in 500 AD? Who was representative of the left and right in 200 BC?
If you maintain that the contemporary right is representative of say
an isolationist, then there should also be an equivalent isolationist
right with a historical past going back thousands of years but it is
simply not true. What was once representative of the right 2000 years
ago, has been replaced and I maintain it has been simply been replaced
with different forms of the left. I would argue there is no right.
You can see how the rightist label is exploited by the left in
identifying its detractors by people such as this hate monger
http://www.publiceye.org/frontpage/overview.html but it is nothing
more than a false dichotomy. Its may be hard to accept, but
contemporary conservatives may be closer to the right than 1960's war
protestors, but as a definitive right - no way! The right is
invisible, indistinguishable or non-existent. Its just various forms
of the left.
If we disband with the terms altogether, we see the broad political
spectrum as it is; a power struggle where left / right is a misnomer.
I use them now only because they are recognizable terms but in truth,
they are all taking part in a struggle for political power.
Looking at it another way, if there was an actual contemporary right,
they don't seem to be doing a good job at preserving those things that
the traditional right would be trying to preserve. For example, how is
an oligarchy representative of the traditional right? How is
contemporary religion representative of traditional right? From my
perspective the west has left the church behind since the
enlightenment.
It could be argued the oligarchs are the modern extension of the
merchant class, which at one time was the left. Get it? If we think of
the interests of corporate elites as a contemporary right, we would be
dead wrong, (pardon the pun). I think someone here stated political
labels are nothing more than a brand name where the contents can be
changed and modified. The terms are meant to confuse and by all
accounts the people are very confused and the ones struggling for
power can point fingers in different directions and the people follow
along.
Its all crap and I’m trying to get (what we would consider) the left
to wake up. They are attempting to overturn the boat they themselves
share with the rest of us. Having said that, I’m not sure what the
solution to the “right” is. It’s far more difficult to define what it
is in the first place. I’m charging the left’s attempts to correct
perceived injustice is very likely making things worse, not better.
There are better writers and analysts who could do a better job of
explaining what I’m trying to say, but as it is, this is my attempt.
Dismiss it if you like but I would be disappointed if you can’t see
some blurred lines of distinction when we try to use these terms.
Roy
> Lisa Lisa wrote:
> > On Sep 2, 1:38 am, Meldon <meldon_f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Don't waste time identifying the right. Its not possible. Any
> > > semblance of a true right disappeared thousands of years ago. It has
> > > simply been replaced time and time again with a new left. Was the
> > > church of the dark ages the right or were the monarchies of the same
> > > period? Were the monarchies the right of that period or were the
> > > merchants? Do you see how pointless that argument is?
>
> > Oh man, you are one confused dope.
>
> Really? Let me try again.
>
> "..The phrase right-wing was coined during the French Revolution, when
> right-wing referred to seating arrangements in parliament; those who
> sat on the right supported the monarchy, the aristocracy and the
> established church.[4][5][6][7]
>
> The concept of a distinct political Right developed after the second
> restoration of the French monarchy in 1815 with the Ultra-royalists.
> Today the term the Right is primarily used to refer to political
> groups that have a historical connection with the traditional Right,
> including conservatives, reactionaries, monarchists, aristocrats,
> religious fundamentalists, and some nationalists. But in modern times,
> the Right has also encompassed views supporting capitalism and free
> markets, and making the right of private property the paramount right.
>
> The terms are RELATIVE and no distinct characteristic on either side
> can be made with accuracy. So, before the terms were coined, who was
> representative of the left and of the right? Do you see what I'm
> getting at? For instance, who was representative of the left and right
> in 500 AD? Who was representative of the left and right in 200 BC?
>
> If you maintain that the contemporary right is representative of say
> an isolationist, then there should also be an equivalent isolationist
> right with a historical past going back thousands of years but it is
> simply not true. What was once representative of the right 2000 years
> ago, has been replaced and I maintain it has been simply been replaced
> with different forms of the left. I would argue there is no right.
>
> You can see how the rightist label is exploited by the left in
==
Well, I have always seen desirable aspects of the "left" and "right",
and consider a "middle of the road" approach to be a workable best.
My grandfather was a member of the "Liberal Party" and while it has
morphed into a different beast over the years, it still takes a fairer
and more even-handed approach in governing this nation. On the other
hand the CONservatives have become more insular and rigid under
Harper's direction and attempt to introduce stricter, narrow and more
controlling fundamentalistic policies.
==
klunk
> "..The phrase right-wing was coined during the French Revolution, when
> right-wing referred to seating arrangements in parliament; those who
> sat on the right supported the monarchy, the aristocracy and the
> established church.[4][5][6][7]
...which is actually not that much different than today...
same stool, different odour...
Moderator
You have raised some important points. We can see that only positions
of extremism result in an absolute position. We might also agree that
most people are in reality not extremists yet we see positions of
absolute division in nearly every issue we face.
This raises many interesting questions.