Iran: Time for the bombing
It's Americans OR Democrats
Afghanistan with weapons. It's time to bomb them heavily.
abracadabra
"It's Americans OR Democrats" <rande...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> They are supplying both the Insurgents in Iraq and the Taliban in
> Afghanistan with weapons. It's time to bomb them heavily.
The Taliban were the enemies of the Iranians you idiot.
Better luck next time!
bc_nv
"It's Americans OR Democrats" <rande...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Afghanistan with weapons. It's time to bomb them heavily.
You supply constant stupidity to this newsgroup. Should we bomb you, or
just remove your lazy ass from the dole?
There is NO evidence that Iran is supplying anything to anyone. US 'say so'
isn't exactly proof of anything these days.
Dave Smith
Hmmm... if a threat is justification for a first strike, the threat of a
first strike by Iran against the US is justified, is it not?
bc_nv
"Dave Smith" <"adavid,smith"@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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What, and violate the customary "double standard" that the US applies to
every other nation? Couldn't possibly have that.
It's Americans OR Democrats
> "It's Americans OR Democrats" <rander3...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:4455ac9b-1d15-400d...@s27g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > They are supplying both the Insurgents in Iraq and the Taliban in
> > Afghanistan with weapons. It's time to bomb them heavily.
>
> The Taliban were the enemies of the Iranians you idiot.
> Better luck next time!
"Were."
Iran behind flood of weapons to Taliban, MacKay charges
Outside help makes it tough to cut supply lines, minister says
Allison Lampert
The Montreal Gazette; ith files from Agence France-Presse
Wednesday, December 26, 2007
Defense Minister Peter MacKay greets Canadian soldiers arriving for
Christmas dinner in Kandahar, Afghanistan, Dec. 25, 2007.
CREDIT: Allison Lampert, CanWest News Service
Defense Minister Peter MacKay greets Canadian soldiers arriving for
Christmas dinner in Kandahar, Afghanistan, Dec. 25, 2007.
KANDAHAR AIR FIELD, Afghanistan - Canada has challenged the Iranian
government over concerns that weapons and bomb-making equipment are
slipping across the border to Taliban insurgents in Afghanistan,
Defence Minister Peter MacKay said yesterday.
"We're very concerned that weapons are coming in from Iran," Mr.
MacKay told reporters, while visiting Canadian troops with Gen. Rick
Hillier in Kandahar province.
"We're very concerned that these weapons are going to the insurgents
and are keeping this issue alive. We've certainly made our views to
the Iranian government about this known."
Improvised explosive devices, responsible for the majority of the
deaths of the 73 Canadian soldiers killed in Afghanistan, were
particularly a concern, he said.
"It's so difficult to cut these supply lines when you have people from
other countries giving out weapons that are being used against
Canadian Forces and troops from other countries."
Mr. MacKay was echoing U.S. concerns that Iran is fuelling the war in
Afghanistan by supplying weapons -- particularly parts for roadside
bombs -- to insurgents. In April, the U.S. accused Iran of supplying
contacts and weapons to the Taliban.
In September, U.S. Deputy Secretary of State John Negroponte said
Washington questioned Beijing over Chinese weapons shipments to Iran
-- including a 10-tonne weapons cache found in Herat -- turning up in
the hands of Afghan insurgents. But in a June interview, ISAF
commander Gen. Dan McNeill said that while Iranian mortars and other
weapons have been discovered in Afghanistan, there is no proof Tehran
is directly supplying the Taliban.
Insurgents' use of IEDs and other tactics has led to a record number
of Canadian deaths in Afghanistan this year. Despite the bloodshed,
Canada's soldiers are eager to continue the Afghan mission, said Gen.
Hillier, chief of the defence staff of the Canadian Forces.
"The soldiers that I talked to -- and I talked to most of them over
the last 24 hours, as you can tell by my voice -- and they believe in
the mission," said a hoarse Gen. Hillier.
"And they know it's going to take a while. And they understand the
characteristics of a counter-insurgency.
"And right now I would say the morale of the soldiers that I've spoken
to is incredibly strong. They're not asking to come home. They believe
in what they're doing."
Gen. Hillier, Mr. MacKay and U.S. ambassador to Canada David Wilkins
served a Christmas dinner yesterday of tourtière and turkey to
hundreds of troops stationed at the Kandahar Air Field. The two-day
visit went smoothly, unlike Mr. MacKay's trip to in November which was
marred by a rocket attack.
A rocket was fired later in the night at the sprawling base after the
dignitaries left.
Dressed in a Canadian Forces camouflage, Mr. MacKay praised the
soldiers, singling out Quebec's Royal 22nd Regiment, which accounts
for the bulk of the troops serving on this rotation.
"The 22nd Regiment has distinguished itself again ... and we in Canada
are so very grateful," he said.
Mr. Wilkins hailed Canada's "heavy lifting" in Kandahar as a model for
other countries, such as Germany, that have been accused of shirking
their duties in Afghanistan.
"It's a great example of what a freedom-loving country can do," Mr.
Wilkins said of Canada.
He wouldn't say whether the U.S. is urging Canada to extend its
mission in Afghanistan past the country's February 2009 deadline. But
Mr. MacKay reiterated his government's support for extending the
mission to 2011. "How confident am I that we're going to continue this
progress? Extremely confident," he said of the mission.
"The last thing that we want to see is slippage, or falling back, or a
return of the Taliban. We do not want to leave work undone. We want to
make sure that Afghanistan is a fully functional, secure, self-
sustaining country. That's the mission and we want to complete that
mission."
Meanwhile, insurgents have booby-trapped two corpses with bombs
recently, killing two Afghan civilians in Kandahar province, says a
spokesman for the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force.
ISAF Brig.-Gen. Carlos Branco couldn't say why insurgents would be
using human remains to disguise bombs, especially in areas frequented
by civilians; they usually target Afghan security forces.
One bomb killed two civilians and wounded two others on Dec. 21, after
they discovered a decapitated body in a cemetery outside Kandahar
City. A second booby-trapped body outside Kandahar City caused no
casualties.
© The Ottawa Citizen 2007
snausages
<rander3...@gmail.com> wrote:
> They are supplying both the Insurgents in Iraq and the Taliban in
> Afghanistan with weapons. It's time to bomb them heavily.
Yeah, then Pakistan and then India then...China?
Or we could withdraw and not be attacked in Iraq any more.
If you illegal invade someone's home, they're going to do everything
possible to get you out. While you are there, illegally, you're going
to say, "Hey, I got to stay here because they're attacking me."
Then these people might enlist the help of neighbors.
Well, here's more reason, by your flawed logic, to stay and fight.
abracadabra
On Dec 27, 3:25 pm, "abracadabra" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "It's Americans OR Democrats" <rander3...@gmail.com> wrote in
> messagenews:4455ac9b-1d15-400d...@s27g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > They are supplying both the Insurgents in Iraq and the Taliban in
> > Afghanistan with weapons. It's time to bomb them heavily.
>
> The Taliban were the enemies of the Iranians you idiot.
> Better luck next time!
"Were."
Iran behind flood of weapons to Taliban, MacKay charges
Feel free to trust a stooge of the NeoCons, but your charge is still silly.
Iranians and Taliban are totally different sects of Islam. You are
misinformed.
Patriot Games
> They are supplying both the Insurgents in Iraq and the Taliban in
> Afghanistan with weapons. It's time to bomb them heavily.
Let's start this weekend!
Death to Iran!
Bomb Iran NOW!
Patriot Games
You bet.
Bring it!
It's Americans OR Democrats
> "It's Americans OR Democrats" <rander3...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:22eb8f28-568f-4c08...@w38g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
There. I provide you with some evidence, you, like all blinkered,
West-hating leftist traitor filth dismiss it out of hand.
abracadabra
You provided one opinion by one guy, which is "evidence". I choose not to
believe your source because
1) He sounds like a neo con and didn't provide specific evidence
2) It makes no sense. The Taliban are allies to Pakistan, which not allied
to Iran. Iranians helped the US topple the Taliban. Finally the government
of Iran are religious fundamentalists, and the Taliban are fundamentalists
of a totally different branch of Islam.
It's not my fault if you're incapable of reason.
Moreover, even if your charge had merit, bombing Iran would not be an
option, and it certainly wouldn't solve the problem.
bc_nv
"Patriot Games" <Pat...@America.com> wrote in message
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Why, so we can watch you crap your pants? Try having some victories in Iraq
before trying to sit at the big boy table.
Roedy Green
Democrats" <rande...@gmail.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
someone who said :
>They are supplying both the Insurgents in Iraq and the Taliban in
>Afghanistan with weapons. It's time to bomb them heavily.
What does that gain you?
The cost is Iran would close the Straits of Hormuz to all tanker and
US military traffic. Are you prepared to spend five times what you
are now for gas and heating oil?
Also consider they have Sunburn missiles. Just one of them can sink an
aircraft carrier costing $4.5 billion. How do you think the USA
supplies its wars in Afghanistan and Iraq -- via the Straits of
Hormuz.
Study your geography. Iran has the USA by the balls. That's why all
those military folk screwed Bush by publishing the report saying Bush
was lying about Iran having nukes. They don't want a war with Iran.
They are too thinly stretched already.
See http://mindprod.com/politics/iran.html
--
Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
The Java Glossary
http://mindprod.com
Clay Northwood
--
Everywhere we come upon the ease
with which people passed from Communism
to what were in theory its most virulent
enemies Fascism and Nazism".--Robert
Conquest
How long could Iran control the Straits of Hormuz? It would take superior
military strength to do that and Iran is far from being a superpower.
As for sinking an American carrier I don't believe they have the technology
to do this. If they did, Iran would be bombed back into the stone age.
Also the U.S. is militarizing space which puts any adversary nation at a
huge disadvantage.
Joseph R Loegering
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Industrial Military Complexes, that say you are a Fool! The Reason we have
not attacked already, they are a Force to be Reckoned with. We don't have
enough Manpower, Money, Fuel, and Materials, to do it alone without
destroying our entire Economy! It would take several Allies to help Beat
Them, and it would cause Global Inflation to rise drastically! If they rose
as a REAL THREAT TO AMERICA, five well placed Nukes, would render them to
the degree of being no threat to anyone. But the Environmental Damage would
haunt the Whole World, for Years to come.
Do you want links to the Videos? Many of mine don't come from YouTube, but
those Videos on YouTube reveal some of what I have.
In service of God and Country
Joseph
spudnuts: his balls, his brains and his crew.
>
> - Show quoted text -
I agree.
And frankly, I'm fucking tired of Israel.
Bomb Iran.
Do it, do it now.
Shitheads.
Ivan
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>
>
With most of the known world totally pissed off with Bush, and Iran courting
allies such as China and Russia, if the mauling Israel received in their
foray into Beirut against the Iranian backed Hezbollah along with America
and Britain's performance in Iraq is anything to go by, then the outcome of
such 'a cakewalk' will be awaited with great interest by many on this NG.
<http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,,2232345,00.html>
>
>
>
>
>> http://mindprod.com
>
>
abelard
wrote:
>With most of the known world totally pissed off with Bush, and Iran courting
>allies such as China and Russia, if the mauling Israel received in their
>foray into Beirut against the Iranian backed Hezbollah along with America
>and Britain's performance in Iraq is anything to go by, then the outcome of
>such 'a cakewalk' will be awaited with great interest by many on this NG.
><http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,,2232345,00.html>
just why is it that you prefer your fantasy world to reality?
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"abelard" <abel...@abelard.org> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 00:45:44 GMT, "Ivan" <ivan'H'ol...@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>>With most of the known world totally pissed off with Bush, and Iran
>>courting
>>allies such as China and Russia, if the mauling Israel received in their
>>foray into Beirut against the Iranian backed Hezbollah along with America
>>and Britain's performance in Iraq is anything to go by, then the outcome
>>of
>>such 'a cakewalk' will be awaited with great interest by many on this NG.
>><http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,,2232345,00.html>
>
> just why is it that you prefer your fantasy world to reality?
>
where exactly do you get your fantasy world?
And not just them, Carcass and Cuba too!
Only fools want a War, that will produce a situation like, Custer's last
stand!
http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/custer.htm
In service of God and Country
Joseph
> --
Ivan
> wrote:
>
>>With most of the known world totally pissed off with Bush, and Iran
>>courting
>>allies such as China and Russia, if the mauling Israel received in their
>>foray into Beirut against the Iranian backed Hezbollah along with America
>>and Britain's performance in Iraq is anything to go by, then the outcome
>>of
>>such 'a cakewalk' will be awaited with great interest by many on this NG.
>><http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,,2232345,00.html>
>
> just why is it that you prefer your fantasy world to reality?
>
No personal fantasies there abe, just verifiable facts, why, do you think
that the people who so accurately predicted the exact outcome of what's now
happening in Iraq a few years ago we're living in a fantasy world?
What a fucking joke, apparently the yanks are now paying the same criminal
mercenaries who were killing them just a few months ago $400 a week to get
them out of the shit!.. and if it's of any interest to you the above
comments are coming from someone who until this dipstick and his cronies
took office always had the greatest of respect for the U.S.
Ivan
"Gorad" <gora...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Ivan <ivan'H'ol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> No personal fantasies there abe, just verifiable facts, why, do you think
>> that the people who so accurately predicted the exact outcome of what's
>> now
>> happening in Iraq a few years ago we're living in a fantasy world?
>> What a fucking joke, apparently the yanks are now paying the same
>> criminal
>> mercenaries who were killing them just a few months ago $400 a week to
>> get
>> them out of the shit!.. and if it's of any interest to you the above
>> comments are coming from someone who until this dipstick and his cronies
>> took office always had the greatest of respect for the U.S.
>>
> afternoon
> during the Clinton days, because some drunk heard my "neutral" North
> American
> accent and accused me of being "a yank".
>
> But he ended up buying me a round and calling me a cousin, once he learned
> that
> I was a Canadian!
>
> LOL!
I agree, and I think that you'd have a hard job finding any Brit with more
than two brain cells to rub together who has any animosity towards anyone
from the Commonwealth, and having said that I would also say that until
recent times exactly the same could be said about our American cousins.
abelard
wrote:
>
>"abelard" <abel...@abelard.org> wrote in message
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>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 00:45:44 GMT, "Ivan" <ivan'H'ol...@yahoo.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>With most of the known world totally pissed off with Bush, and Iran
>>>courting
>>>allies such as China and Russia, if the mauling Israel received in their
>>>foray into Beirut against the Iranian backed Hezbollah along with America
>>>and Britain's performance in Iraq is anything to go by, then the outcome
>>>of
>>>such 'a cakewalk' will be awaited with great interest by many on this NG.
>>><http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,,2232345,00.html>
>>
>> just why is it that you prefer your fantasy world to reality?
>No personal fantasies there abe, just verifiable facts, why, do you think
>that the people who so accurately predicted the exact outcome of what's now
>happening in Iraq a few years ago we're living in a fantasy world?
don't be a dope...you're as usual trying to rewrite history....
both afghan and irak were pushovers....despite the constant wailing
at the time from lefties....
the difficult part is the rebuilding.....
and even that is utterly trivial compared with national socialist
germany
>What a fucking joke, apparently the yanks are now paying the same criminal
>mercenaries who were killing them just a few months ago $400 a week to get
>them out of the shit!.. and if it's of any interest to you the above
>comments are coming from someone who until this dipstick and his cronies
>took office always had the greatest of respect for the U.S.
go sell your trivia to someone interested
Joseph R Loegering
Yep, 15 Billion Dollar a month Push Overs. Yep, it made the same houses that
sold at $20,000 twenty Years ago, worth $250,000, so that we can now all
play like Martha Stewart, and say that we are Building Affordable Houses for
the Poor, that sell them for $250,000, so that we can slap the Middle Class
in the Face, since they only make $44,000 to $169,000 a Year, and tell them
to get to the Bank and get to work and pay Interests, so that your house
will be even more Inflated, so that the next five Generations of your Family
will just have to throw out a Cot, and sleep on your Floor!
This just stomps right on top of the Poor and the Disabled, and drives them
closer to being six feet under!
It's so bad, my Bikes were Stolen, and Sold for Scrap Metal, and being
disabled and not able to drive, that is bad enough! But with last Years
Heating Bill being over $2000 for the Whole Winter, and this Year's already
at that much, at the end of February I will be moving in with a Friend that
is in the same boat, so that we can try to make it!
So lets make it worse and declare Iran and Pakistan Push Overs!
The Bad Shepherds have led your foolish sheep, straight to the
slaughterhouse!
Joseph R Loegering
"Joseph R Loegering" <JosephL...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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UNPAYED HOSPITAL BILLS, where I misjudged the road trying to rides Bikes to
the Store to get FOOD!
It's Americans OR Democrats
wrote:
> "Clay Northwood" <Northw...@Northwood.com> wrote in message
>
> news:xTfdj.54433$3v....@fe09.news.easynews.com...
>
>
>
> > --
> > Everywhere we come upon the ease
> > with which people passed from Communism
> > to what were in theory its most virulent
> > enemies Fascism and Nazism".--Robert
> > Conquest
>
> > How long could Iran control the Straits of Hormuz? It would take superior
> > military strength to do that and Iran is far from being a superpower.
>
> > As for sinking an American carrier I don't believe they have the
> > technology to do this. If they did, Iran would be bombed back into the
> > stone age.
>
> > Also the U.S. is militarizing space which puts any adversary nation at a
> > huge disadvantage.
>
> >>http://mindprod.com
>
> I have 210 Videos, of Recently Developed Weapons Systems in Iran, and their
> Industrial Military Complexes, that say you are a Fool! The Reason we have
> not attacked already, they are a Force to be Reckoned with. We don't have
> enough Manpower, Money, Fuel, and Materials, to do it alone without
> destroying our entire Economy! It would take several Allies to help Beat
> Them
Not it wouldn't. 2 nuclear weapons would be sufficient. I don't know
why the U.S. wastes billions on massive air campaigns, troop
deployments, just nuke the bastards, which is what they should have
done with North Korea.
Logician
<rander3...@gmail.com> wrote:
> They are supplying both the Insurgents in Iraq and the Taliban in
> Afghanistan with weapons. It's time to bomb them heavily.
Bombing is a cowards way out. Try an invasion. Ae you afraid to die?
Bush needs to invade Iran RIGHT NOW. It would entail a few hundred
thousand Americans taking dirt naps but they are just Americans. There
are plenty more in the stock room.
bc_nv
For going against 'pushovers' you are sure getting your ass handed to you.
What do you think will happen when you attact a nation with the capability
of returning fire?
Joseph R Loegering
Oh, and worse, don't foregut that the Laws are not designed to protect you,
especially if you are disabled and cannot get a drivers license. Because I
could not get around on Bikes without crashing a lot, in Washington State I
decided to buy a car and have someone else drive it for me. The guy took my
car, and he dumped my belongings on the side of the road, and sold my car,
and when I called the Police, they said even though they knew who had the
car, they bought it legally from the guy I gave the Keys to, and they could
do nothing about him selling my car, because I gave him the keys.
The way the Laws are Interpreted and Applied now
I used a magnifying Glass and rewrote this better
The way the Laws are Interpreted and Applied now
The way the Laws are Interpreted and Applied now, the poor cannot make it!
Their Interpretation and Application of the Laws, are designed to defend the
big guy against the little guy, by bending the Laws to define how much the
big guy can get away with!
Like with Scrap Metals and Auto and Equipment and Farm Implement building
and Repair.
I saw a comic strip one time, where a Farmer was leaning on his fence
speaking to a Neighbor Lady, and behind him was a pile of old Farm
Equipment, and he said to her, "Lady, I object to your calling my Spare
Parts, a pile of Junk!"
Well, in a small Auto, or Equipment, or Farming Business, those piles of
Junk are needed, so that they can use their Resourcefulness and Innovation
to
make a living. But the big guy who has a Scrap Yard for melting down Metals,
says I want it all! So he calls the Police, and says that the small guys
have piles of Junk that are eye sores and an sentimental hazard, and the
Police and Courts force the small guys to give up their resources, their
livelihood, to the Big Guy!
They have taken away what the small guy needs to survive, and make this
Country Strong. The Resourcefulness and Innovation of small Businesses and
Farmers, is what built this Country. Because, the small guys Necessity, is
the Mother of Invention!
Quite frankly, if it were not for my Labor and Engineering being taken
advantage of, there would be a lot less Rich CEOs. These CEOs who get
Multimillions of Dollars off our Labor and Engineering , are only causing
the price of our Energy, Materials, and Products, to be Inflated at a faster
Rate, than just competing for laborers and Energy, Materials, with other
Industries.
With my own Labor and Engineering I can start a business from scratch, in a
spare room of the House, and corner of my Yard, but then when some CEO sees
that I can scratch out enough Money for Energy and Materials, to build my
products, that I don't need to borrow from a Bank, they take control of the
source of my Materials, and take over my Business.
Like, before I was disabled, we had an illegal dump down by the abandoned
Cement Plant, and as I
looked for a way to clean up the piles, I saw large amounts of Metals, some
of which I could use, but I had no Truck to haul it. So I bought 11 junk
Trucks for $50 each, and made a Truck out of it while rebuilding the Motors,
Transmissions, Radiators, Alternators, Starters, etc, and then I went down
to the dump and began sorting out the Metals into Piles of what I could use
for something else, and piles of Copper, Aluminum, Stainless Steel, Iron,
Sheet Metal, and began hauling it to the scrap yard.
One day someone called the State Police, and they came down and were going
to give me a ticket for dumping, even though I was not dumping! But the
County Sheriff came over the Radio and said, "Leave that boy alone, I will
be right there!" He came carrying a Map and a Briefcase, and said to the
State Trooper, "This guy has done more to clean this place up, than anyone
else could!" And he gave me the Map with the Location of Dumps full of
Metals, and locations of abandoned Wrecks and Farm Equipment, and gave me a
bunch of Junkers Titles that I could use for hauling them.
But when a couple big CEOs saw that I was scratching out a living doing
this, they got Regulation Passed, that made it nearly impossible for me to
make it, they bought the Cement Plant, and bought big new Wreckers and
Trucks, and hauled off the Junk in three Counties, and went broke paying the
Bank for the fancy new Trucks, after they had put me out of business!
But they had a safety net, the Tax Payers bail them out!
George P.
>> No personal fantasies there abe, just verifiable facts, why, do you think
>> that the people who so accurately predicted the exact outcome of what's
>> now
>> happening in Iraq a few years ago we're living in a fantasy world?
>> What a fucking joke, apparently the yanks are now paying the same
>> criminal
>> mercenaries who were killing them just a few months ago $400 a week to
>> get
>> them out of the shit!.. and if it's of any interest to you the above
>> comments are coming from someone who until this dipstick and his cronies
>> took office always had the greatest of respect for the U.S.
>>
> afternoon
> during the Clinton days, because some drunk heard my "neutral" North
> American
> accent and accused me of being "a yank".
>
> But he ended up buying me a round and calling me a cousin, once he learned
> that
> I was a Canadian!
He was surely a far-left member of the Labor party and could recognize a
a fellow commie quickly.
>
> LOL!
abelard
don't be a moron...(if that is within your ambit)
going in to civilise them has cost about the same in lives as the
attack on the twin towers
in economic terms you are paying vast sums every year to the
locals for resources the west has developed and local satraps
have stolen against original agreements....
in the m.e you have a widespread dole culture living off western
medicine and money and breeding far beyond the carrying
capacity of the land..
like the red indians they are killing you with western weapons
sold to them by renegades....
it is the west providing education in the west for their corrupt
'leaders'....it is the west providing food for them....
it is the west freeing them from disgusting primitive dictatorships
the total deaths from western policing in 4 or 5 years is not much
different from road accident in the uk in one year.....
let alone the 2000 a week killed by smoking....
let alone the numbers in the usa....
the west has now spent centuries civilising savages.....
you mindless lefties have spent far too much time wrapped
in cotton wool and mouthing from your incredible ignorance
Chris X
Oooops ! Nerve !
The Patriot
> They are supplying both the Insurgents in Iraq and the Taliban in
> Afghanistan with weapons. It's time to bomb them heavily.
>
Evil Terrorists on 9/11, so if Bush decides to unleash the military might
against the USA and bomb the fucking crap out of it because of the 11 million
Islamofascists living there, who am I to argue with the experts?
Some say the new 'smart bomb' technology by the US military can tell the
difference between a middle-aged fat, flabby redneck in a '75 pick-up truck
with a rifle rack and a plastic Jesus listening to a Buck Owens 8-track at a
stop light from a turban-wearing Islamofascist with a plastic copy of the Koran
on the dashboard of his Buick just by the "death to Sacha Baron Cohen" bumper
sticker alone!
If so, let the bombs fly!
Republican Armchair Warrior
> "It's Americans OR Democrats" <rande...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4455ac9b-1d15-400d...@s27g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> > They are supplying both the Insurgents in Iraq and the Taliban in
> > Afghanistan with weapons. It's time to bomb them heavily.
>
> just remove your lazy ass from the dole?
>
> There is NO evidence that Iran is supplying anything to anyone. US 'say so'
> isn't exactly proof of anything these days.
>
>
crates and dropping them on Iran would be horrific enough to bring the millions
of terrorists living there to their knees all by itself!
If they fight back, we could always put more fat, stupid American chickenhawks
into giant slingshots and launch them against their missile depots until they
finally get so disgusted that their only option is to submit to our will.
One thing is certain, while the supply of bombs we have is finite; our supply
of fat stupid American chickenhawks is seemingly endless and growing every day.
Viejo Vizcacha
> "It's Americans OR Democrats" <rander3...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:4455ac9b-1d15-400d...@s27g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > They are supplying both the Insurgents in Iraq and the Taliban in
> > Afghanistan with weapons. It's time to bomb them heavily.
>
> Better luck next time!
Good luck to you, if you try to teach the neo-cons history and
geography. They have trouble finding Italy in the map of Europe.
VV
Patriot Games
news:cffdj.31681$vd4.13945@pd7urf1no...
> "Patriot Games" <Pat...@America.com> wrote in message
> news:477529ca$0$16677$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
>> "Dave Smith" <"adavid,smith"@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:47743C47...@sympatico.ca...
>>>> > They are supplying both the Insurgents in Iraq and the Taliban in
>>>> > Afghanistan with weapons. It's time to bomb them heavily.
>>>> or
>>>> just remove your lazy ass from the dole?
>>>> There is NO evidence that Iran is supplying anything to anyone. US
>>>> 'say so'
>>>> isn't exactly proof of anything these days.
>>> first strike by Iran against the US is justified, is it not?
>> You bet.
>> Bring it!
> Why, so we can watch you crap your pants? Try having some victories in
> Iraq before trying to sit at the big boy table.
Iraq is over. We won.
Try taking that Muslim cock out of your mouth and pay attention.
bc_nv
"Patriot Games" <Pat...@America.com> wrote in message
By winning you mean getting your asses handed to you by a dozen civilians?
Well in that case, pardon me, you're all over it...lol.
bc_nv
Oh really, I'm sure the tens of thousands of vets coming home, without
limbs, will be comforted by that.
<Ridiculas horseshit removed>
abelard
>Oh really, I'm sure the tens of thousands of vets coming home, without
>limbs, will be comforted by that.
and you regard that as a reply....
what a surprise....
as if you care a jot....
your emotionalism and hypocrisy well surpasses your considerable
stupidity....
are you a politician....
steve
> "It's Americans OR Democrats" <rander3...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:4455ac9b-1d15-400d...@s27g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > They are supplying both the Insurgents in Iraq and the Taliban in
> > Afghanistan with weapons. It's time to bomb them heavily.
>
> Better luck next time!
key word in your statement is "were" thats past tense. glad you
agree with us that they are now allies.
*us*
steve
> "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote in message
>
> news:47768b33$0$4357$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "bc_nv" <bc...@hotmail.ca> wrote in message
> >news:cffdj.31681$vd4.13945@pd7urf1no...
> >>news:477529ca$0$16677$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
> >>> "Dave Smith" <"adavid,smith"@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >>>news:47743C47...@sympatico.ca...
> >>>> bc_nv wrote:
> >>>>>news:4455ac9b-1d15-400d...@s27g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>> > They are supplying both the Insurgents in Iraq and the Taliban in
> >>>>> > Afghanistan with weapons. It's time to bomb them heavily.
> >>>>> You supply constant stupidity to this newsgroup. Should we bomb you,
> >>>>> or
> >>>>> just remove your lazy ass from the dole?
> >>>>> There is NO evidence that Iran is supplying anything to anyone. US
> >>>>> 'say so'
> >>>>> isn't exactly proof of anything these days.
> >>>> Hmmm... if a threat is justification for a first strike, the threat of
> >>>> a
> >>>> first strike by Iran against the US is justified, is it not?
> >>> You bet.
> >>> Bring it!
> >> Why, so we can watch you crap your pants? Try having some victories in
> >> Iraq before trying to sit at the big boy table.
>
> > Iraq is over. We won.
>
> > Try taking that Muslim cock out of your mouth and pay attention.
>
> By winning you mean getting your asses handed to you by a dozen civilians?
>
> - Show quoted text -
well lets see. around 4000 dead american soldiers. how many foreign
fighters have we killed? whats the latest leftard # for iraqi deaths?
last time i heard the dummocrats # it was close to 1 million. id say
we won.
Fletcher Smythe
wrote:
Nah, 10 more years, we'll win better then. Send money, lots. Thanks.
Greg Carr
<Nort...@Northwood.com> wrote:
>--
>Everywhere we come upon the ease
>with which people passed from Communism
>to what were in theory its most virulent
>enemies Fascism and Nazism".--Robert
>Conquest
>
>How long could Iran control the Straits of Hormuz?
They don't have to. They just have to make it impossible for ships to
pass through. With speedboats equipped with rockets, torpedoes and
machine guns it would be rather easy. Add missles fired from the
coast, kamikaze pilots and mines and the price of oil would be $300 a
barrel within two weeks.
> It would take superior
>military strength to do that and Iran is far from being a superpower.
>
>As for sinking an American carrier I don't believe they have the technology
>to do this. If they did, Iran would be bombed back into the stone age.
That was tried remember in Vietnam. The US lost.
>
>Also the U.S. is militarizing space which puts any adversary nation at a
>huge disadvantage.
Sinking a oil tanker that will explode quite easily is not difficult.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> http://mindprod.com
>
andyc...@googlemail.com
> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 00:45:44 GMT, "Ivan" <ivan'H'ol...@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> >With most of the known world totally pissed off with Bush, and Iran courting
> >allies such as China and Russia, if the mauling Israel received in their
> >foray into Beirut against the Iranian backed Hezbollah along with America
> >and Britain's performance in Iraq is anything to go by, then the outcome of
> >such 'a cakewalk' will be awaited with great interest by many on this NG.
> ><http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,,2232345,00.html>
>
> just why is it that you prefer your fantasy world to reality?
That's fine coming from you.
andyc...@googlemail.com
> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 01:23:52 GMT, "Ivan" <ivan'H'ol...@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >news:uf7bn3d53etarssc7...@4ax.com...
> >> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 00:45:44 GMT, "Ivan" <ivan'H'ol...@yahoo.co.uk>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>>With most of the known world totally pissed off with Bush, and Iran
> >>>courting
> >>>allies such as China and Russia, if the mauling Israel received in their
> >>>foray into Beirut against the Iranian backed Hezbollah along with America
> >>>and Britain's performance in Iraq is anything to go by, then the outcome
> >>>of
> >>>such 'a cakewalk' will be awaited with great interest by many on this NG.
> >>><http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,,2232345,00.html>
>
> >> just why is it that you prefer your fantasy world to reality?
> >No personal fantasies there abe, just verifiable facts, why, do you think
> >that the people who so accurately predicted the exact outcome of what's now
> >happening in Iraq a few years ago we're living in a fantasy world?
>
> don't be a dope...you're as usual trying to rewrite history....
> both afghan and irak were pushovers
Pushovers, lmfao , you really do break the biscuit
....despite the constant wailing
> at the time from lefties....
> the difficult part is the rebuilding.....
The Iraqis have polluted water , no electricity and US companies have
been paid a fortune for doing .............Absolutely nothing.
> and even that is utterly trivial compared with national socialist
> germany
>
> >What a fucking joke, apparently the yanks are now paying the same criminal
> >mercenaries who were killing them just a few months ago $400 a week to get
> >them out of the shit!.. and if it's of any interest to you the above
> >comments are coming from someone who until this dipstick and his cronies
> >took office always had the greatest of respect for the U.S.
>
> go sell your trivia to someone interested
.....................................
andyc...@googlemail.com
wrote:
Yay, you're a bright bulb , aren't you?
andyc...@googlemail.com
> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 05:29:06 GMT, "bc_nv" <bc...@hotmail.ca> wrote:
>
> >news:tl9bn35krb67qc1o7...@4ax.com...
> >> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 01:23:52 GMT, "Ivan" <ivan'H'ol...@yahoo.co.uk>
> >> wrote:
>
Civilise them? They had a better education and health system than the
US .
> in economic terms you are paying vast sums every year to the
> locals for resources the west has developed and local satraps
> have stolen against original agreements....
English please.
> in the m.e you have a widespread dole culture living off western
> medicine and money and breeding far beyond the carrying
> capacity of the land..
> like the red indians they are killing you with western weapons
> sold to them by renegades....
>
> it is the west providing education in the west for their corrupt
> 'leaders'....it is the west providing food for them....
> it is the west freeing them from disgusting primitive dictatorships
>
> the total deaths from western policing in 4 or 5 years is not much
> different from road accident in the uk in one year.....
> let alone the 2000 a week killed by smoking....
>
> let alone the numbers in the usa....
>
> the west has now spent centuries civilising savages.....
>
> you mindless lefties have spent far too much time wrapped
> in cotton wool and mouthing from your incredible ignorance
Doctor, doctor............
andyc...@googlemail.com
> "abelard" <abela...@abelard.org> wrote in message
>
> news:jskcn3d2gagre1uun...@4ax.com...
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 05:29:06 GMT, "bc_nv" <bc...@hotmail.ca> wrote:
>
> >>news:tl9bn35krb67qc1o7...@4ax.com...
> >>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 01:23:52 GMT, "Ivan" <ivan'H'ol...@yahoo.co.uk>
> >>> wrote:
>
He doesn't care mate , he wouldn't confront an irate grandma.
abelard
wrote:
>The Iraqis have polluted water , no electricity and US companies have
>been paid a fortune for doing .............Absolutely nothing.
as you've been told...i have no problem with you parading
your stupidity and vacuity....
why....i'd be shocked if you ever did else
but please restrain your lying
andyc...@googlemail.com
> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 13:39:04 -0800 (PST), andycoop...@googlemail.com
> wrote:
>
> >The Iraqis have polluted water , no electricity and US companies have
> >been paid a fortune for doing .............Absolutely nothing.
>
> as you've been told...i have no problem with you parading
> your stupidity and vacuity....
> why....i'd be shocked if you ever did else
>
> but please restrain your lying
On what grounds am i lying and please post the relevant url's that
will prove it.
abelard
wrote:
i wouldn't even bother to give you the time of day...
you're a no-account spammer with nothing to say
aracari
On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 13:18:09 -0800 'Greg Carr'
wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
[groups trimmed to three]
>They don't have to. They just have to make it impossible for ships to
>pass through. With speedboats equipped with rockets, torpedoes and
>machine guns it would be rather easy. Add missles fired from the
>coast, kamikaze pilots and mines and the price of oil would be $300 a
>barrel within two weeks.
Indeed.
The rapid rise in oil prices due to the fear factor from hostilities
in the Gulf is probably more important than what tactics Iran used
to create it. Global economies would quickly move into recession if
the price went above $125. Add that to the already fragile state
of many economies and you have a major problem.
--
Should Al Gore's wooden head be used as a carbon sink?
steve
> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 12:32:36 -0800 (PST), steve <misledrks...@aol.com>
>
> - Show quoted text -
your welcome
steve
> n Fri, 28 Dec 2007 23:44:33 GMT, "Clay Northwood"
>
> >--
> >Everywhere we come upon the ease
> >with which people passed from Communism
> >to what were in theory its most virulent
> >enemies Fascism and Nazism".--Robert
> >Conquest
>
> >How long could Iran control the Straits of Hormuz?
>
> They don't have to. They just have to make it impossible for ships to
> pass through. With speedboats equipped with rockets, torpedoes and
> machine guns it would be rather easy. Add missles fired from the
> coast, kamikaze pilots and mines and the price of oil would be $300 a
> barrel within two weeks.
the speedboats wouldnt get them anywhere, we would blow them up
along with the rest of their navy, ariforce, and missiles. they could
cause problems, but do you actually think the US is the only country
that needs that straight and the oil that passes through it? it
wouldnt take long for NATO countries to get off their ass and do what
needs to be done to protect the tankers. Frace U.K. and Germany are
already taking a harder stance on Iran that the US.
>
> > It would take superior
> >military strength to do that and Iran is far from being a superpower.
>
> >As for sinking an American carrier I don't believe they have the technology
> >to do this. If they did, Iran would be bombed back into the stone age.
>
> That was tried remember in Vietnam. The US lost.
your talking about a country that is jungle as opposed to one that
is wide open. your also talking about a ground war as opposed to air
raids. you are comparing 2 very different types of conflict.
>
>
>
> >Also the U.S. is militarizing space which puts any adversary nation at a
> >huge disadvantage.
>
> Sinking a oil tanker that will explode quite easily is not difficult.
it is when your military has been crippled with massive airstrikes.
>
>
>
>
>
> >>http://mindprod.com- Hide quoted text -
Dave Smith
>
>
> With most of the known world totally pissed off with Bush, and Iran courting
> allies such as China and Russia, if the mauling Israel received in their
> foray into Beirut against the Iranian backed Hezbollah along with America
> and Britain's performance in Iraq is anything to go by, then the outcome of
> such 'a cakewalk' will be awaited with great interest by many on this NG.
What mauling of Israeli forces was that? The Israelis had a couple day of
heavy looses, but heavy looses for Israeli forces are on a different scale
than those of their foes. It was not Israel who was begging for
intervention to end the incursion. They destroyed much of the
infrastructure in Lebanon, blowing up bridges and blocks and blocks of
apartment buildings, while Palestiinan rockets managed to actually strike
only a few Israeli targets.
> <http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,,2232345,00.html>
Wow. It is better than the Patriot system? That isn't much of a record,
since that was not much of a success.
Joseph R Loegering
"steve" <misled...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:0c77d408-623e-4cb5...@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 30, 4:18 am, Greg Carr <gregpc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> n Fri, 28 Dec 2007 23:44:33 GMT, "Clay Northwood"
>
> <Northw...@Northwood.com> wrote:
> >--
> >Everywhere we come upon the ease
> >with which people passed from Communism
> >to what were in theory its most virulent
> >enemies Fascism and Nazism".--Robert
> >Conquest
>
> >How long could Iran control the Straits of Hormuz?
>
> They don't have to. They just have to make it impossible for ships to
> pass through. With speedboats equipped with rockets, torpedoes and
> machine guns it would be rather easy. Add missles fired from the
> coast, kamikaze pilots and mines and the price of oil would be $300 a
> barrel within two weeks.
the speedboats wouldnt get them anywhere, we would blow them up
along with the rest of their navy, ariforce, and missiles. they could
cause problems, but do you actually think the US is the only country
that needs that straight and the oil that passes through it? it
wouldnt take long for NATO countries to get off their ass and do what
needs to be done to protect the tankers. Frace U.K. and Germany are
already taking a harder stance on Iran that the US.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
What troubles me is that People Still think Ships can be made UNSINKABLE!
Remember the Titanic? When I was young I used to scrap metal, and I built an
inflatable Balloon that I could hook to and Electromagnet for pulling up
Metals from the Ocean. Even though Scrap Prices are real high now because of
inflation, the US took a US Aircraft Carrier into the Gulf, and Sank it!
Why, with the price of Metals so High? It was a test to see how vulnerable
that they really are! I know from experience that Ships are much easier to
SINK, than to recover them from the Bottom of the Ocean. And not being a
SPUERPOWER, that Inflatable Balloon that I built, would bring enough
explosives up towards the hull of a passing Ship, it would make the Merrill
Building Bombing or IED Roadside Bombs look like TOYS!
Do you know what? Iran can raise stuff off the bottom of the Ocean too! It
is part of their defence plans!
In service of God and Country
Joseph
Stan Pierce
"steve" <misled...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:0c77d408-623e-4cb5...@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> That was tried remember in Vietnam. The US lost.
The Americans didn't 'lose' the war in Vietnam. The Americans had already
left the country two years before. It was lost by the South Vietnamese.
The American tried to help them evacuate.
Those last scenes re-shown time after time by the western media juvenile
journalists are probably all most people know about that war.
FACE
Iran: Time for the bombing, Greg Carr <greg...@yahoo.ca>, wrote
>>How long could Iran control the Straits of Hormuz?
>
>They don't have to. They just have to make it impossible for ships to
>pass through. With speedboats equipped with rockets, torpedoes and
>machine guns it would be rather easy. Add missles fired from the
>coast, kamikaze pilots and mines and the price of oil would be $300 a
>barrel within two weeks.
With all that fanci(ful)ness, the amount of time that they controlled
the straits of Hormuz could only be a matter of hours if the CIC's had
the guts to clean out the hornet's nests............
I say it is fanciful because despite the iranians saying that they are
invulnerable, they were proven wrong in Syria by their friends the
israelis in the first of September, 2007.
Their 300mph cavitation torpedoes (for example) will be useless when
there is nothing to launch them from.
FACE
127.0.0.1
ziopigs, if you want to take on Iran GO AHEAD, BE OUR GUESTS. I would
enjoy seeing Israel turned into a red lake in the desert.
127.0.0.1
bc_nv
> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 19:44:30 GMT, "bc_nv" <bc...@hotmail.ca> wrote:
>
>>Oh really, I'm sure the tens of thousands of vets coming home, without
>>limbs, will be comforted by that.
>
> and you regard that as a reply....
> what a surprise....
> as if you care a jot....
>
> your emotionalism and hypocrisy well surpasses your considerable
> stupidity....
>
> are you a politician....
I cared when my brother came home from Afghanastan with metal fragments
lodged in his leg. Oh, am I being 'hypocritical' now dipshit?
bc_nv
> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 13:39:04 -0800 (PST), andyc...@googlemail.com
> wrote:
>
>>The Iraqis have polluted water , no electricity and US companies have
>>been paid a fortune for doing .............Absolutely nothing.
>
> as you've been told...i have no problem with you parading
> your stupidity and vacuity....
> why....i'd be shocked if you ever did else
>
> but please restrain your lying
Is it difficult being a retard and trying to sound intelligent?
bc_nv
> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 14:10:02 -0800 (PST), andyc...@googlemail.com
> wrote:
>
>>On 29 Dec, 21:57, abelard <abela...@abelard.org> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 13:39:04 -0800 (PST), andycoop...@googlemail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >The Iraqis have polluted water , no electricity and US companies have
>>> >been paid a fortune for doing .............Absolutely nothing.
>>>
>>> as you've been told...i have no problem with you parading
>>> your stupidity and vacuity....
>>> why....i'd be shocked if you ever did else
>>>
>>> but please restrain your lying
>
>>On what grounds am i lying and please post the relevant url's that
>>will prove it.
>
> i wouldn't even bother to give you the time of day...
>
> you're a no-account spammer with nothing to say
Your surrender is noted.
Greg Carr
wrote:
>
>"Clay Northwood" <Nort...@Northwood.com> wrote in message
>news:xTfdj.54433$3v....@fe09.news.easynews.com...
>>
>>
>> --
>> Everywhere we come upon the ease
>> with which people passed from Communism
>> to what were in theory its most virulent
>> enemies Fascism and Nazism".--Robert
>> Conquest
>>
>> How long could Iran control the Straits of Hormuz? It would take superior
>> military strength to do that and Iran is far from being a superpower.
>>
>> As for sinking an American carrier I don't believe they have the
>> technology to do this. If they did, Iran would be bombed back into the
>> stone age.
>>
>> Also the U.S. is militarizing space which puts any adversary nation at a
>> huge disadvantage.
>>
>>
>
>With most of the known world totally pissed off with Bush, and Iran courting
>allies such as China and Russia, if the mauling Israel received in their
>foray into Beirut against the Iranian backed Hezbollah along with America
>and Britain's performance in Iraq is anything to go by, then the outcome of
>such 'a cakewalk' will be awaited with great interest by many on this NG.
><http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,,2232345,00.html>
They managed to kick Syria out of Lebanon which is good for Israel and
a victory for Bush and Rice.
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> http://mindprod.com
>>
>>
Greg Carr
I recall something like 20 billion dollars in damage to Lebanon and
the Israelis never found their missing soldiers. By the end of the
military attack half the Israeli public was against it.
Greg Carr
50k Americans died and many more were wounded. It cost billions and
all US corporations were forced to flee along with the US Embassy
staff when the country collapsed despite the fact they were still
receiving military aid. The US lost in Vietnam and tied in Korea. They
won in Granada and Panama if that makes you happy. Laos and Kampuchea
ended up going Communist also.
>
>
We are awaiting the return of our JHVH in the flesh or his Son. His Son Yu'shua died on the cross for our sins, was resurrected and walked the earth for awhile then ascended unto Heaven. We await the Third Coming not the Second.
Scottish Quaker Robert Barclay-"The weighty Truths of God were neglected, and, as it were, went into Desuetude. ...
Who will be the last Coalition soldier to be maimed in Iraq?
Canadian troops out of Afghanistan and into Darfur.http://www.amnesty.ca/instantkarma/petition.php
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tI-xlbDzVbQ I Like Big Bibles
Good luck to anyone trying to learn Hebrew. I am looking for a Hebrew-Gregorian calendar in both Hebrew and English lettering.
Greg Carr
<JosephL...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>"steve" <misled...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:0c77d408-623e-4cb5...@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>On Dec 30, 4:18 am, Greg Carr <gregpc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> n Fri, 28 Dec 2007 23:44:33 GMT, "Clay Northwood"
>>
>> <Northw...@Northwood.com> wrote:
>> >--
>> >Everywhere we come upon the ease
>> >with which people passed from Communism
>> >to what were in theory its most virulent
>> >enemies Fascism and Nazism".--Robert
>> >Conquest
>>
>> >How long could Iran control the Straits of Hormuz?
>>
>> They don't have to. They just have to make it impossible for ships to
>> pass through. With speedboats equipped with rockets, torpedoes and
>> machine guns it would be rather easy. Add missles fired from the
>> coast, kamikaze pilots and mines and the price of oil would be $300 a
>> barrel within two weeks.
>
>
> the speedboats wouldnt get them anywhere, we would blow them up
>along with the rest of their navy, ariforce, and missiles.
I doubt it. Speed boats are fast and hard to hit and they have
hundreds of them. Some of the missiles would probably get though.
>they could
>cause problems, but do you actually think the US is the only country
>that needs that straight and the oil that passes through it? it
>wouldnt take long for NATO countries to get off their ass and do what
>needs to be done to protect the tankers. Frace U.K. and Germany are
>already taking a harder stance on Iran that the US.
You can't even spell France. The Germans would do nothing like they
have done in Iraq. Barely half of Cdns support the involvement in
Afghanistan let alone any war with Iran and France is not doing
anything in Iraq and Afghanistan so why would they help with Iran?
Britain is bailing on Iraq so they are in no hurry for a war with
Iran.
We are awaiting the return of our JHVH in the flesh or his Son. His Son Yu'shua died on the cross for our sins, was resurrected and walked the earth for awhile then ascended unto Heaven. We await the Third Coming not the Second.
steve
> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:22:41 -0800, "Joseph R Loegering"
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >"steve" <misledrks...@aol.com> wrote in message
ever hear of a typo dipshit?
The Germans would do nothing like they
> have done in Iraq.
and you know this how? have you heard the German leader speak about
Iran's nuke project? if so you would know she is more hardline than
BOOOSH.
Barely half of Cdns support the involvement in
> Afghanistan
sorry if you cant read, did i mention Cdns?
let alone any war with Iran and France is not doing
> anything in Iraq and Afghanistan so why would they help with Iran?
you are not up to speed bro, have you heard Sarkozy speak on Iran's
nuke project? if you did you would know he is more hardline than
BOOOSH.
> Britain is bailing on Iraq so they are in no hurry for a war with
> Iran.
i guess you dont read too much, and it shows. take a look at what
the Europeans have been saying about Iran. you keep saying war and
comparing it to Iraq when no one is suggesting a ground war.
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Joseph R Loegering
Thanks Steve.
The Bullies in our Schools have Parents that are Just Like them! I know,
both my Parents were Educators.
Right now, really I am
just trying to survive the Inflation.
If I had not been an Engineer and Welder as a young man before I was
disabled, I would have a hard time functioning right now.
When I was Welding, when you put the Helmet Down, the Dark Glass makes it so
that you cannot see, but when the tip of your Welding Rod gets contact with
the Grounded Metal, the Arc of Light is just Bright enough for you to find
the joint for Welding.
When my eyes were squashed while in the Army, at first all I could see was
Lightning Flashes and a Tree of Orange Blood Vessels running thought the
flashes. I got my sight back mostly, for a while, but every year as I get
older, I become more blind, where I see a Silver Circle surrounded by a
strip of Blue, and that is surrounded with a strip of Black, right in the
middle of my line of Eyesight, so really only the Peripheral Vision is
clear.
It gets harder to see around that spot every year. But under manmade
conditions I can just about see through it, like that Welding Arc helps see
through the Dark Glass, using a Bright Computer Screen and Magnifying Glass.
But depending on the Air Pressure out side, some times I can see better, and
sometimes I cannot see at all.
I like working on my Computer at Night, because I can shut the Room Lights
Off, and that makes the Computer Screen Brighter for me to see. But how long
I will be able to keep doing that I don't know. So I have to get busy and
set a system up now, so that I can find my way around when I am completely
blind. It is taking all I have to do that.
Stan Pierce
"Greg Carr" <greg...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:fk8en352rvbd07qpq...@4ax.com...
> 50k Americans died and many more were wounded. It cost billions and
> all US corporations were forced to flee along with the US Embassy
> staff when the country collapsed despite the fact they were still
> receiving military aid. The US lost in Vietnam and tied in Korea. They
> won in Granada and Panama if that makes you happy. Laos and Kampuchea
> ended up going Communist also.
>>
Read my lips. The American had already signed a peace agreement in Paris
and left the South Vietnamese to wind down and observe the agreement.
They did so. The North Vietnamese decided to attack again after the
American left.
What you see in the television evacuation chaos was the result of the Viet
Cong knowing there were no Americans with guns to fight back at them. The
Americans used helicopters to evacuate American personnel with Vietnamese
wives and children from the Embassy and businessmen to aircraft carriers.
They did not go back with fighter planes and bomb them. For America, the
war was already over. The Viet Cong just tore up the agreement. The
aircraft carriers were offshore as a standby in case the Vietcong did just
that. The Americans were right...they could not be trusted to keep to an
agreement.
Strategic Thuggery again. Beware of walnuts bearing Islamic gifts of
tolerance for the same reason.
abelard
go convince the world you're a rhino....some may even believe you
abelard
abelard
wrote:
>On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 00:45:44 GMT, "Ivan" <ivan'H'ol...@yahoo.co.uk>
>>With most of the known world totally pissed off with Bush, and Iran courting
>>allies such as China and Russia, if the mauling Israel received in their
>>foray into Beirut against the Iranian backed Hezbollah along with America
>>and Britain's performance in Iraq is anything to go by, then the outcome of
>>such 'a cakewalk' will be awaited with great interest by many on this NG.
>><http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,,2232345,00.html>
>
>They managed to kick Syria out of Lebanon which is good for Israel and
>a victory for Bush and Rice.
the loons have also kept their heads down since...
abelard
wrote:
>On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 23:26:13 GMT, "Stan Pierce"
><ecr...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>"steve" <misled...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>news:0c77d408-623e-4cb5...@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>(snipped)
>>> That was tried remember in Vietnam. The US lost.
>>
>>The Americans didn't 'lose' the war in Vietnam. The Americans had already
>>left the country two years before. It was lost by the South Vietnamese.
>>The American tried to help them evacuate.
>>
>> Those last scenes re-shown time after time by the western media juvenile
>>journalists are probably all most people know about that war.
>
>50k Americans died and many more were wounded. It cost billions and
>all US corporations were forced to flee along with the US Embassy
>staff when the country collapsed despite the fact they were still
>receiving military aid. The US lost in Vietnam and tied in Korea. They
>won in Granada and Panama if that makes you happy. Laos and Kampuchea
>ended up going Communist also.
they won militarily....they lost will....ably assisted by the leftist
fifth column in the usa
FACE
Time for the bombing, "bc_nv" <bc...@hotmail.ca>, wrote
Hey abelard, I'll bet this really has you worried. There is no
indication which "forces" have accepted your "surrender".....or that you
made it in the first place..................
FACE
abelard
wrote:
every time around this time a whole bunch of loonies get
a chrissy computer and a free subscription...
then they gradually drop away as they get mauled...
unless they're completely brain ded like abdul and other
apologists for the ummah...
they're just clutter underfoot...
it's better treat them in an offhand manner as they have nothing
of substance to offer or contribute....
the most deranged of them can be amusing when you're bored....
regards
Patriot Games
> "Patriot Games" <Pat...@America.com> wrote in message
>> "bc_nv" <bc...@hotmail.ca> wrote in message
>> news:cffdj.31681$vd4.13945@pd7urf1no...
>>>> "Dave Smith" <"adavid,smith"@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>> news:47743C47...@sympatico.ca...
>>>>> bc_nv wrote:
>>>>>> news:4455ac9b-1d15-400d...@s27g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> > They are supplying both the Insurgents in Iraq and the Taliban in
>>>>>> > Afghanistan with weapons. It's time to bomb them heavily.
>>>>>> You supply constant stupidity to this newsgroup. Should we bomb you,
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> just remove your lazy ass from the dole?
>>>>>> There is NO evidence that Iran is supplying anything to anyone. US
>>>>>> 'say so'
>>>>>> isn't exactly proof of anything these days.
>>>>> Hmmm... if a threat is justification for a first strike, the threat of
>>>>> a
>>>>> first strike by Iran against the US is justified, is it not?
>>>> You bet.
>>>> Bring it!
>>> Why, so we can watch you crap your pants? Try having some victories in
>>> Iraq before trying to sit at the big boy table.
>> Iraq is over. We won.
>> Try taking that Muslim cock out of your mouth and pay attention.
> By winning you mean getting your asses handed to you by a dozen civilians?
Nope.
Try to keep up.
Are you eating any Muslim cock this weekend or are you saving up for a big
New Year's Cock Sucking Party with your terrorist friends?
*us*
Don't be manipulated.
abracadabra
On Dec 28, 3:25 am, "abracadabra" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "It's Americans OR Democrats" <rander3...@gmail.com> wrote in
> messagenews:4455ac9b-1d15-400d...@s27g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > They are supplying both the Insurgents in Iraq and the Taliban in
> > Afghanistan with weapons. It's time to bomb them heavily.
>
> Better luck next time!
key word in your statement is "were" thats past tense. glad you
agree with us that they are now allies.
There is no reason for them to be allies, there is no evidence that they are
allies, so I don't "agree" they are allies.
Sorry you misunderstood.
abracadabra
"Viejo Vizcacha" <nats_u...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3c5b3fd5-39de-4fd4...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 27, 3:25 pm, "abracadabra" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> "It's Americans OR Democrats" <rander3...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> messagenews:4455ac9b-1d15-400d...@s27g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > They are supplying both the Insurgents in Iraq and the Taliban in
>> > Afghanistan with weapons. It's time to bomb them heavily.
>>
>> The Taliban were the enemies of the Iranians you idiot.
>> Better luck next time!
>
>
> geography. They have trouble finding Italy in the map of Europe.
>
> VV
>
"They have trouble finding Italy in the map of Europe." = now that's a good
insult.
It's Americans OR Democrats
Typical Eurotrash thinking "Please! Leave us alone!!!" "Don't hurt
us!" "We won't do anything to anyone." F------ COWARDS. Next time
there's another Bosnia in your backyard, handle the problem yourself,
or let it go to full genocide, COWARDS.
bc_nv
"Patriot Games" <Pat...@America.com> wrote in message
You really have an affection for cock. You must be Republican.
FACE
Iran: Time for the bombing, Greg Carr <greg...@yahoo.ca>, wrote
>You can't even spell France.
Do you realize that this sort of silliness makes you look bad?
It's Americans OR Democrats
> "steve" <misledrks...@aol.com> wrote in message
Remember Moses telling everyone in his corrupt group, "Chose now?"
Well, that is the choice the Muslims will have to make. Choose to
exist in a civilized, technological World, or DIE where you stand.
Because that day is coming, sub-human throwbacks and their terrorist
antics will not be tolerated. Huge sums of money and troops will no
longer be sacrificed by the Western side, NUKES will decide the fate
of the Middle East, Africa and some of Asian. And if any of the
Muslims now living IN Western countries decide to throw in with their
terrorist brothers? Mass arrests, and concentration camps. The West
will have no say in whether this happens, given sufficient
provocation, it WILL happen.
steve
> "steve" <misledrks...@aol.com> wrote in message
sorry you misunderstand that they are allies. canada seems to think
iran is giving the taliban arms, they are sick of their men dying from
them. there also IS a reason for them to be allies. if iran can keep
us bogged down fighting the taliban and bogged down in iraq, we will
have less resources and people to attack iran with, which is why they
can go full steam ahead with ther nukes and not be afraid we will
attack. they know we have our hands tied at the moment. the taliban is
going to take weapons from whoever will give them.
bc_nv
> On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 03:44:29 GMT, "bc_nv" <bc...@hotmail.ca> wrote:
>
>>
>>"abelard" <abel...@abelard.org> wrote in message
>>news:gd9dn3hi794drkkpc...@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 19:44:30 GMT, "bc_nv" <bc...@hotmail.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Oh really, I'm sure the tens of thousands of vets coming home, without
>>>>limbs, will be comforted by that.
>>>
>>> and you regard that as a reply....
>>> what a surprise....
>>> as if you care a jot....
>>>
>>> your emotionalism and hypocrisy well surpasses your considerable
>>> stupidity....
>>>
>>> are you a politician....
>>
>>I cared when my brother came home from Afghanastan with metal fragments
>>lodged in his leg. Oh, am I being 'hypocritical' now dipshit?
>
> go convince the world you're a rhino....some may even believe you
You've already conviced the world you're a douchebag, any pointers?
bc_nv
<* US *> wrote in message news:c1efn31ocdjggng0o...@4ax.com...
> Don't be a coward.
>
> Don't be manipulated.
In other words, don't be the average American.
abelard
>
>"abelard" <abel...@abelard.org> wrote in message
>news:j66fn3t64r6idhpar...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 03:44:29 GMT, "bc_nv" <bc...@hotmail.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"abelard" <abel...@abelard.org> wrote in message
>>>news:gd9dn3hi794drkkpc...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 19:44:30 GMT, "bc_nv" <bc...@hotmail.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Oh really, I'm sure the tens of thousands of vets coming home, without
>>>>>limbs, will be comforted by that.
>>>>
>>>> and you regard that as a reply....
>>>> what a surprise....
>>>> as if you care a jot....
>>>>
>>>> your emotionalism and hypocrisy well surpasses your considerable
>>>> stupidity....
>>>>
>>>> are you a politician....
>>>
>>>I cared when my brother came home from Afghanastan with metal fragments
>>>lodged in his leg. Oh, am I being 'hypocritical' now dipshit?
>>
>> go convince the world you're a rhino....some may even believe you
>
>You've already conviced the world you're a douchebag, any pointers?
you're not 'the world'....
you're not even a rhino
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
We were.
Then the US decided it wanted NATO to garrison the Balkans for all eternity.
--
Dirk
http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
Remote Viewing classes in London
generic
> --
> Everywhere we come upon the ease
> with which people passed from Communism
> to what were in theory its most virulent
> enemies Fascism and Nazism".--Robert
> Conquest
>
> military strength to do that and Iran is far from being a superpower.
>
> As for sinking an American carrier I don't believe they have the technology
> to do this. If they did, Iran would be bombed back into the stone age.
>
> huge disadvantage.
>
Yes, there is only one way forward now for Republicans. We must now
slander.
abracadabra
> On Dec 30, 11:42 am, "abracadabra" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> "steve" <misledrks...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:2a03b3fa-fd75-4404...@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> On Dec 28, 3:25 am, "abracadabra" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > "It's Americans OR Democrats" <rander3...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> > messagenews:4455ac9b-1d15-400d...@s27g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > > They are supplying both the Insurgents in Iraq and the Taliban in
>> > > Afghanistan with weapons. It's time to bomb them heavily.
>>
>> > The Taliban were the enemies of the Iranians you idiot.
>> > Better luck next time!
>>
>> key word in your statement is "were" thats past tense. glad you
>> agree with us that they are now allies.
>>
>> There is no reason for them to be allies, there is no evidence that they
>> are
>> allies, so I don't "agree" they are allies.
>> Sorry you misunderstood.
>
> Remember Moses telling everyone in his corrupt group, "Chose now?"
The Biblical character of Moses?
Isn't that like saying "Remember how Goldilocks had to choose which porridge
to eat?"
> Well, that is the choice the Muslims will have to make. Choose to
> exist in a civilized, technological World, or DIE where you stand.
You seem to be reflecting my own contention that there is a conflict between
religious fundamentalists (like the Taliban or American evangelicals) and
modernism. I believe that the religious fundies need to at least choose to
let other people live how they want. For example religious fundamentalists
ought to stop messing with people just because they are gay or want to use
birth control. However I don't see any reason to force "traditional"
cultures to embrace our way of life. It would do most of Africa no good at
all to embrace "modern values" when they lack the means to make it work.
> Because that day is coming, sub-human throwbacks and their terrorist
> antics will not be tolerated.
Terrorism is a separate thing from religious fundamentalists. Modern
countries use terrorism (like the USA did during the 1980s in Angola and
Nicaragua). Plenty of religious types don't resort to terrorism (unlike Al
Qaeda or the Americans who bombed Oklahoma City). It's not reasonable to
assume that all religious fundamentalists (or Muslims) support terrorism.
My question so you is, do you expect that all countries ought to or need to
embrace American interests over the interests of their own countries?
> Huge sums of money and troops will no
> longer be sacrificed by the Western side, NUKES will decide the fate
> of the Middle East, Africa and some of Asian.
Uh, no they won't. We cannot afford to nuke the middle east or Asia because
the radioactive fallout would go straight into Pakistan (nuclear power)
India (nuclear power) and China (Major nuclear power that owns all our
debt). Not sure how using nukes in Africa would be useful in any way, but
feel free to explain.
And if any of the
> Muslims now living IN Western countries decide to throw in with their
> terrorist brothers? Mass arrests, and concentration camps. The West
> will have no say in whether this happens, given sufficient
> provocation, it WILL happen.
Seems like we have lots of Muslims in this country and they haven't tried to
aid terrorists in any significant way.
abracadabra
On Dec 30, 11:42 pm, "abracadabra" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "steve" <misledrks...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:2a03b3fa-fd75-4404...@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 28, 3:25 am, "abracadabra" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "It's Americans OR Democrats" <rander3...@gmail.com> wrote in
> > messagenews:4455ac9b-1d15-400d...@s27g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > They are supplying both the Insurgents in Iraq and the Taliban in
> > > Afghanistan with weapons. It's time to bomb them heavily.
>
> > The Taliban were the enemies of the Iranians you idiot.
> > Better luck next time!
>
> key word in your statement is "were" thats past tense. glad you
> agree with us that they are now allies.
>
> There is no reason for them to be allies, there is no evidence that they
> are
> allies, so I don't "agree" they are allies.
> Sorry you misunderstood.
sorry you misunderstand that they are allies. canada seems to think
iran is giving the taliban arms
No, one guy says they might be doing so, and doesn't present any supporting
evidence. Further we have no idea if the "aid" is from the government,
private, or just arms dealers making a profit.
, they are sick of their men dying from
them.
Maybe we shouldn't have invaded Iraq. FFS, if Russia invaded Mexico and was
occupying Mexico for the last 5 years, you saying we'd have no business
aiding the Mexican insurgents? Or are you saying that the US should sit on
it's hands when our neighbors are invaded? This was all very predictable -
Saddam was out counter balance to Iran, and we had no plan for what to do
when we took out Saddam.
there also IS a reason for them to be allies. if iran can keep
us bogged down fighting the taliban and bogged down in iraq
Iran isn't keeping us bogged down there, we are. We have the idiotic
leadership that couldn't handle the occupation of a 3rd world country -
that's not Iran's fault. Moreover MOST OF THE AID IS COMING FROM SAUDI
ARABIA. You knew that, right? So why not bomb the Saudis?
, we will
have less resources and people to attack iran with
Too late for that - we cannot attack for reasons too numerous and obvious to
go over (although I'll be happy to if you wanna).
, which is why they
can go full steam ahead with ther nukes
Our government says that aren't going ahead with nukes, so that's moot.
*us*
The majority of Americans never voted for Bush.
The average American doesn't support the illegal
invasion of Iraq.
The bushworshipper is below average and not
a real American.
*us*
Ask anyone in the real world.
Dave Smith
>
> >What mauling of Israeli forces was that? The Israelis had a couple day of
> >heavy looses, but heavy looses for Israeli forces are on a different scale
> >than those of their foes. It was not Israel who was begging for
> >intervention to end the incursion. They destroyed much of the
> >infrastructure in Lebanon, blowing up bridges and blocks and blocks of
> >apartment buildings, while Palestiinan rockets managed to actually strike
> >only a few Israeli targets.
> >
> >
> >> <http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,,2232345,00.html>
> >
> >Wow. It is better than the Patriot system? That isn't much of a record,
> >since that was not much of a success.
>
> I recall something like 20 billion dollars in damage to Lebanon and
> the Israelis never found their missing soldiers. By the end of the
> military attack half the Israeli public was against it.
$20 billion in damage to Lebanese infrastructure and housing compared to
about 2 dozen Israeli soldiers killed, a few missing and a few minor rocket
strikes? it was Lebanon that people were fleeing in the hundreds of
thousands, not Israel. It doesn't sound like a mauling to me. Israelis
called for an end to the attacks because the devastation they were wreaking
on Lebanon made them look bad.