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Robert Sveinson

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May 17, 2009, 6:57:46 AM5/17/09
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>>Hitler was a socialist,

Hitler was never a socialist. Do not let the name
of his political party fool you!


>a National Socialist or Nazi.

That is true! By putting the two words National and Socialist
together refutes any claim that he was a socialist!

Oddly! Some historians have suggested that if Hitler
had died in 1937 he would be revered today as
a nation builder!

It was that close!

Canuck57

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"Robert Sveinson" <rsve...@mts.net> wrote in message
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Yes it was close. He was a brilliant (although warped) politician. He did
motivate Germany out of an economic mess. Problem was, and often it comes
with genius, is insanity. Up until actions of war spurned by his arrogance,
he was very good for Germany. If he had died in 1937 before starting WW II
he would have been remembered as a hero.

But he continued and insanity set in. So he became the scourge of the time.


Duncan Patton a Campbell

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May 17, 2009, 10:25:21 AM5/17/09
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On Sun, 17 May 2009 08:08:57 -0600, Canuck57 wrote:

> "Robert Sveinson" <rsve...@mts.net> wrote in message
> news:S4SPl.25548$ho7....@newsfe10.iad...
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>>
>>
>>>>Hitler was a socialist,
>>
>> Hitler was never a socialist. Do not let the name of his political
>> party fool you!
>>
>>
>> >a National Socialist or Nazi.
>>
>> That is true! By putting the two words National and Socialist together
>> refutes any claim that he was a socialist!
>>
>> Oddly! Some historians have suggested that if Hitler had died in 1937
>> he would be revered today as a nation builder!
>>
>> It was that close!
>
> Yes it was close. He was a brilliant (although warped) politician. He
> did motivate Germany out of an economic mess. Problem was, and often it
> comes with genius, is insanity. Up until actions of war spurned by his

Fkuc that. Genius my ass. The bastard was a murderous thieving liar,
with no long term viable plan for Germany or anyone else.

Takes no brains to "solve" an economic problem by murdering a bunch
of people and stealing their property.

Dhu

> arrogance, he was very good for Germany. If he had died in 1937 before
> starting WW II he would have been remembered as a hero.
>
> But he continued and insanity set in. So he became the scourge of the
> time.

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Archie

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May 17, 2009, 11:13:59 AM5/17/09
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On May 17, 10:08 am, "Canuck57" <d...@nospam.net> wrote:
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> Yes it was close.  He was a brilliant (although warped) politician.  He did
> motivate Germany out of an economic mess.  Problem was, and often it comes
> with genius, is insanity.  Up until actions of war spurned by his arrogance,
> he was very good for Germany.  If he had died in 1937 before starting WW II
> he would have been remembered as a hero.
>
> But he continued and insanity set in.  So he became the scourge of the time.-

Hitler was a genius? Have you tried to suffer any of Mein Kampf?

Roy

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May 17, 2009, 11:20:41 AM5/17/09
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On May 17, 8:25 am, Duncan Patton a Campbell <campb...@neotext.ca>
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> On Sun, 17 May 2009 08:08:57 -0600, Canuck57 wrote:
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I totally agree.
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Kixi...@hotmail.com

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May 17, 2009, 11:41:00 AM5/17/09
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On May 17, 7:25 am, Duncan Patton a Campbell <campb...@neotext.ca>
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> Fkuc that.  Genius my ass.  The bastard was a murderous thieving liar,
> with no long term viable plan for Germany or anyone else.
>
> Takes no brains to "solve" an economic problem by murdering a bunch
> of people and stealing their property.  

This sounds like a description of any of the prime ministers of Israel.

Roy

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May 17, 2009, 11:44:41 AM5/17/09
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The posting is about that idiot Hitler...NOT about ISRAEL. Gawd, you
are STUPID.
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yp

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May 17, 2009, 11:45:06 AM5/17/09
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> "Robert Sveinson" <rsvei...@mts.net> wrote in message
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I agree with you. The morass in which Germany found itself after WW1
was incredible. The hyperinflation of 1000% or so, the economy in the
pits, the poverty and despair of the people and the so called
"democratic leadership" dominated by Jews that led Germany nowhere.
Hitler cleaned-up all of this and put Germany in the forefront of rich
and strong nations.

I would say that if he had been satisfied with the annexations of
Austria and Czechoslovakia, he would still be remembered as a great
hero for Germany. His big mistake was to attack Poland in 1939 and
thereby start a world war by involving the other powers, namely Great
Britain, France and so on.

Let us remember that there were people here in Canada who prayed for
Hitler's success, because by his actions he brought Canada out of the
depression as well.

Roy

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May 17, 2009, 11:51:17 AM5/17/09
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Oh yah, Hitler brought Canada out of the depression. Your yattering is
becoming very obnoxious...now FOAD.
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Kixi...@hotmail.com

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May 17, 2009, 11:55:54 AM5/17/09
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Still photos and newsreel of Hitler taken in the 1930s indicate he was
extremely popular. Is this in dispute?

Seventy years later are we, who were not there, suggesting that
millions of Germans were fooled or duped ... or were they forced to
show support and mark their ballots accordingly - time after time?

Roy

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May 17, 2009, 12:00:26 PM5/17/09
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I really don't care if Hitler was popular or not...what the hell does
that have to do with his persona? IDIOT.
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Kenneth McVay OBC

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May 17, 2009, 12:12:58 PM5/17/09
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In article <c82f267e-6400-435c...@g19g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>,

In financial matters, Hitler was a moron, and so was the writer who claimed he

"did motivate Germany out of an economic mess."

The fact is that Hitler bankrupted Germany (and fired Schacht when Schacht
warned him that this was happening). Had he died in 1937, he would have
been remembered as a man without a clue that finished off the German
economy, leaving it in ruin.

The only area of expertise the man could claim was brilliance in the field
of mass psychology... and sexual deviance.

Archive/File: places/germany/nuremberg schacht.002
Last-Modified: 1994/03/02

"On January 7, 1939, Schacht told Hitler he was sitting atop an
inflationary volcano that was about to explode the economy. During
the first five years of the Nazi regime the amount of currency in
circulation had increased from 3.6 to 5.3 billon marks. Although
consumer goods production fell far short of keeping pace, rigid
price controls, sometimes enforced by the SA, and covert
manipulation that sacrificed quality for quantity kept the rise in
prices under control. But the money required to finance the
Anschluss, the Sudeten acquisition, and the preparation for war
resulted in a _near doubling of money in circulation_, from 5.3
billion to 10.2 billion marks, in ten months.

'Beginning in March,' and through the period of the Austrian and
Sudetenland invasion and the actions connected therewith, the 'wage
and price structure totally fell apart,' Schacht stated. 'The
overemployment of the economy was accompanied by scarcity of
materials and labor and by lowering of quality. At the same time
the relative production of consumer goods for daily needs lagged.
The excess in orders and the pressure for quick production have
caused the failure of all planning by the authorities [and] force
the manufacturers to corner material and labor which has caused _an
excessive price and wage racket_ because of the shortage of
materials and labor. Especially in the field of _daily
requirements_ for the home and clothing, the lack of supply and
above all the decline of quality is most evident. Children's
clothes, workers' clothes, and so forth, which formerly lasted for
years now last for only months, but cost the same or even more than
the previous good merchandise. _The unlimied growth of the
government_ expendatures nullifies every attempt for an orderly
budget and brings the _government's finances to the verge of
bankruptcy_ despite a tremendous increase in taxes. Due to
_Treasury deficits_ running into billions, the Minister of Finance
during the last months was continually placed in the position to
declare insolvency or to cover the deficit in the Reich finances
through inflationary means of using the printing press. Gold or
foreign exchange reserves of the Reichsbank are extinct. _The
unfavorable balance of imports over exports is increasing rapidly_.
_The reserves, created through the annexation of Austria and the
requisitioning of foreign securities and domestic gold coins are
exhausted_.' (NCA, 3358 PS, The Jewish Question as a Factor in
German Foreign Policy in 1938, Jan. 25, 1939)

To Hitler the answer seemed simple: issue new currency backed by
the real estate, securities, and valuables obtained from the Jews
through the billion-mark fine -- the real purpose of the
confiscation. [Conot refers to the Kristallnacht fines, which
established the legal principle that the Jews must pay the cost of
the destruction of their property by the Nazis. knm] Schacht,
however, replied: 'Covering the expended money with real estate,
securities, and so forth cannot retain the currency value. An
increase in the production of goods is not possible by the increase
of scraps of paper money -- one can only increase prices and wages,
but not production.'

Schact and the directors of the Reichsbank were of the opinion that
'it is now time to put a stop to it.' The budget must be brought
into balance. The treasury, which had run out of funds to pay
current obligations and government employees, must stop printing
money ad infinitum. The Reichsbank's independence to control the
money supply must be restored. (Ibid; Schact, p. 369)

'This is rebellion!' Hitler sputtered, and on January 20, summoned
Schacht to unburden himself of his grievances. Remarking, 'You
don't fit in to the National Socialist scheme of things,' he
dismissed Schacht and two other Reichsbank directors. Ticking off
the charges one by one, he transfixed the impassive banker: 'You
have criticized and condemned the events of November 9!'

'Had I known that you approved of these events, I should have said
nothing,' Schacht replied imperturbably.

For once, Hitler was speechless. 'I am too upset to continue this
conversation, he burst out, and indicated Schacht should take his
leave. (Schacht, 359)

Hitler had reached the end of Germany's economic tether. By drawing
men from agriculture into industry and the armed forces, he was
aggravating the shortfall in food production. One bad harvest had
already necessitated a doubling of grain imports, and another
(which was to come in 1940) portended disaster. Having led Germany
from depression into bankruptcy, he was left with his final option:
to retreat or go to war. And he would never retreat." (Conot,
176-178)

Work Cited

Conot, Robert E. Justice at Nuremberg. New York: Harper & Row,
1983

Schacht: Conot's notes are unclear as to the Schacht cited, although
the
bibliography lists two works, which I include here:

Schacht, Hjalmar. Account Settled. London: Weidenfeld & Nicolson,
1953
----------------. Confessions of the Old Wizard. Boston: Houghton
Mifflin Co., 1956

Abbreviations:

IMT. International Military Tribunal, Trial of the Major War Criminals;
the published transcipts of the trial.

NCA. Nazi Conspiracy and Aggession, the 10-volume compendium of the
prosecution's agruments.

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organizations) is behind it." (David Irving, whining about Google's
reminder of his disgrace.) The facts:
http://nizkor.org/hweb/people/i/irving-david/judgment-00-00.html

yp

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You are obviously an ignorant and arrogant Jew. It is well known that
the start of WW2 by Hitler was the event that brought first Canada and
then the U.S. out of the Great Depression. Canada was first, because
it entered the war almost immediately at the request of our "mother
country" Great Britain. The huge enrolment into the army decreased
significantly the unemployment rate. Then, the armament industry got
expended to such an extent that its workers were mostly women. Thus,
with full employment and payment of good wages, Canada quickly came
out of the Depression and many people knew very well that it was
because of Hitler and his wars. Particularly in Quebec, there were
groups wearing swastikas and openly supporting Hitler. Read a bit of
history, before you continue to post your stupid one line postings on
the Usenet. You are a total ignoramus.

Canuck57

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May 17, 2009, 2:49:45 PM5/17/09
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"Duncan Patton a Campbell" <camp...@neotext.ca> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 17 May 2009 08:08:57 -0600, Canuck57 wrote:
>
>> "Robert Sveinson" <rsve...@mts.net> wrote in message
>> news:S4SPl.25548$ho7....@newsfe10.iad...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Hitler was a socialist,
>>>
>>> Hitler was never a socialist. Do not let the name of his political
>>> party fool you!
>>>
>>>
>>> >a National Socialist or Nazi.
>>>
>>> That is true! By putting the two words National and Socialist together
>>> refutes any claim that he was a socialist!
>>>
>>> Oddly! Some historians have suggested that if Hitler had died in 1937
>>> he would be revered today as a nation builder!
>>>
>>> It was that close!
>>
>> Yes it was close. He was a brilliant (although warped) politician. He
>> did motivate Germany out of an economic mess. Problem was, and often it
>> comes with genius, is insanity. Up until actions of war spurned by his
>
> Fkuc that. Genius my ass. The bastard was a murderous thieving liar,
> with no long term viable plan for Germany or anyone else.

I don't argue that he was a murderious bastard. Just acknowleging the fact
that he was also smart enough to lead a nation out of poverty and an
economic depression. If he had stopped stopped there, the term Hitlernomics
would be taught today. He would in fact be a hero today.

But stepping beyond the rally of Germany out of a depression, he was in fact
an insane maniac sociopath. Which lead to his downfall as he caused many
millions of people to be tortured and die. The horror of it is what people
dwell on. And no, I don't justify it. It was clearly an evil thing to do
and should never be allowed to happen again.

Many leaders in history were manic sociopaths, Ghengis Khan, Leonardo
Bonaparte, Mohamed, and a host of others. Part of their power was the
sociapathic way in which they could kill enemies without remorse or
hesitation and sleep at night. And if you look at most leaders today, they
have some of their traights.

In fact much of this is taught in management and business schools today.
How to manipulate people towards a common goal. Conflict managment and
focused hate.

Canadians for example, many hate "Americans" yet know little of what it
means. As someone once said, teach them to hate others and they will hate
you less. Chretien could coin this, I am sure he knows the priciple well.


> Takes no brains to "solve" an economic problem by murdering a bunch
> of people and stealing their property.

Apparently not. We have Obama, Harpo, Iggy, Laytoon and others and not one
has a viable answer they want to take to the people. The reason is simple,
they are spineless dumb shits. Ok, you are right, the solution is simple
but the delivery is not.

Rot, corruption, entitlement, envy, self dilusional and morality decay. All
you have to do is put people in their place and stop the paracites from
dragging down the economy. But how do you do that when your constituants
are morally corrupt and can't see why bailouts are pure unadulterated
corruption?

You have to be a true leader and there are not many around. Most are
embroild in their own world of deceit and corruption to make a positive
difference. Scum does float to the top.

Canuck57

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"Roy" <wil...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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============
Amazing how you bring up Hitler and everyone thinks it is about jewish
people.

While Hitler did certainly pick on the jewish people, it sure was not
limited to jews. Far from it. While many jews were slaughtered by the
butcher, the real focus was not of the preferred race. That would include
Muslims, Hindu, negro, asian, native indians and basically facism favoring
germanic arian.

That is why the world stopped him.

Canuck57

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"yp" <yp...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Let us remember that there were people here in Canada who prayed for
> Hitler's success, because by his actions he brought Canada out of the
> depression as well.

Sad way to get out of a depression, but quite true. WW II build up and the
war itself stimulated the economy putting cash in peoples hands. Which in
turn spund the economy out of a recession/depression.

But the dumbshits in Ottawa/DC are too blind to see that today. They say
they want this recession/depression over with, they could simply have to cut
back government waste and spending and leave people with more of their own
money to keep the economies going. But oh no, western statism is more
important.


Kenneth McVay OBC

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May 17, 2009, 3:10:43 PM5/17/09
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In article <t%YPl.55604$CN5....@newsfe23.iad>,
Canuck57 <da...@nospam.net> wrote:

[...]

>I don't argue that he was a murderious bastard. Just acknowleging the fact
>that he was also smart enough to lead a nation out of poverty and an
>economic depression. If he had stopped stopped there, the term Hitlernomics
>would be taught today. He would in fact be a hero today.

Hitler did not lead Germany out of poverty. In fact, as his economic
minister pointed out, he was bankrupting Germany with his insane spending
programs. For that, Hajmar Schacht was fired. The only thing that
temporarily staved off disaster was the war.

--
The Nizkor Project - An electronic Holocaust educational resource
David Irving, Holocaust denial, and his connections to Right-Wing
Extremists and Neo-Nazism in Germany:
http://www2.ca.nizkor.org/hweb/people/f/funke-hajo/

Roy

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I have been a student of history all of my life. I am not a Jew and
far from being ignorant, War always creates employment but at what
cost? Hitler was not the cause of the end of the depression...war was.
For all of the deaths that he was responsible for, there should be no
rejoicing or thank yous. I know all about the Nazi assholes in Quebec
but those idiots also existed in other provinces as well. Some of our
neighbours here in Alberta were interned as they were pro-Nazi. I was
just a kid at the time but remember it well. Nobody had any sympathy
for them either but it was tough on their kids as they got picked on
in school. Some instances of harassment against children of Nazi
sympathizers, I saw with my own eyes. Stick your "ignoramus" comments
up your ass...I rest my case.
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Canuck57

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----------
People haven't changed at all from then until today.

Germans were not duped. They chose not to see the obvious as times were
good for them. Germans knew what the camps were for, just chose not to talk
about it. If they didn't know, they were too dumb to understand but lots of
people plead ignorance right after hearing the truth.

Just like then, no one sees NDP bribe of the Bloc for votes, to form a coup
d'etat as a coup d'etat as it isn't what they want to see before they
deterministically voting for a NDP or Liberal. Same is true of
Conservatives with Harpo's trust lie. People chose to ignore the obvious.

We simply justify what we hear to fit our own irrational paradymes,
conveniently skirting reality and rationality of it altogether.

The reality is the system is corrupt, at it starts with out own minds.

Zapp Brannigan

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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote

> >I don't argue that he was a murderious bastard. Just acknowleging the fact
> >that he was also smart enough to lead a nation out of poverty and an
> >economic depression. If he had stopped stopped there, the term Hitlernomics
> >would be taught today. He would in fact be a hero today.
>
> Hitler did not lead Germany out of poverty. In fact, as his economic
> minister pointed out, he was bankrupting Germany with his insane spending
> programs. For that, Hajmar Schacht was fired. The only thing that
> temporarily staved off disaster was the war.
>

In those days of the Great Depression, there was a robust Nazi movement and
Communist movement in Canada because of the disappointment over how when the
unrestrained capitalist system failed the workers, people were desperate and
idealistic, and looking for cures and were certainly not fully informed of all
sides. Then there's always the "blame game". When the black plague
occured in Europe during the 12th century, in many cases Jews were accused of
it and persecuted. What do we hear now from the incessant, noisy knobs who
hate Jews in these newsgroups when it comes to the recent "swine flu"
outbreak? It's the Jews again.

Anyway, that "peoples car" that Hitler drew on a napkin certainly became a
hit, and so did his investments in Germany's infrastructure, like the
Autobahn. Of course, FDR spend $billions doing the same during the great
depression when the interstate highway system was built.


But also, he really screwed up the fashion of the toothbrush moustasche.

Apparently in his earlier days he wore a "Stalin" style, but changed it when
someone said that he would look more distinctive in it.

So much for Oliver Hardy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toothbrush_moustache

Charlie Chaplin, a communist, only wore it when he played the Little Tramp,
and The Great Dictator.

Mr.Smartypants

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On May 17, 9:13 am, Archie <akenn...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On May 17, 10:08 am, "Canuck57" <d...@nospam.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Yes it was close.  He was a brilliant (although warped) politician.  He did
> > motivate Germany out of an economic mess.


He didn't merely "motivate". He took control of the issuing of MONEY
away from the Jewish banksters and gave it back to the State.
He also bartered with other nations rather than buying and selling for
currency. In no time at all Germany became prosperous.

z

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May 17, 2009, 3:48:06 PM5/17/09
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On May 17, 11:45 am, yp <y...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I would say that if he had been satisfied with the annexations of
> Austria and Czechoslovakia, he would still be remembered as a great
> hero for Germany. His big mistake was to attack Poland in 1939 and
> thereby start a world war by involving the other powers, namely Great
> Britain, France and so on.


If he hadn't been crazy enough to chase all the Jews out of Germany,
they would have acquired nuclear weapons, not the US. I think that
would have sort of changed the outcome of the war, don't you? The
Germans were certainly researching the field, along with their
rocketry. But the majority of the great nuclear physicists were
Jewish.

In March 1933, the Jewish congregation of Berlin sent a statement to
Hitler affirming "the pledge that we belong to the German people; it
is our sacred duty, our right and our deepest wish that we take an
active part in its renewal and rise." In 1936, the "Reich Association
of Jewish Front Soldiers" com­memorated their fallen comrades from
World War I with a ceremony in Berlin that stressed their loyalty to
the Fatherland. Out of 84,352 Jewish soldiers, 29,874 (=35.42 percent)
were decorated. 19,545 (=23.17 percent) were promoted, out of these
2,022 (=2.4 percent) became officers. In December 1935, the Reich
Propaganda Ministry issued a decree forbidding Jewish soldiers to be
named among the dead in World War I memorials.
(Peter Melcher, Weissensee. Ein Friedhof als Spiegelbild jüdischer Ge­
schichte in Berlin, Berlin: Haude & Spener, 1986).

A higher percentage of German Jews fought in World War I than that of
any other ethnic, religious or political group in Germany. (Rigg,
Bryan: Hitler’s Jewish Soldiers, University Press of Kansas, 2009)

12,000 German Jews Who Died for their Fatherland in World War I.
http://www.germanjewishsoldiers.com/introduction.php

Germany's Jewish airmen during WWI: http://people.sinclair.edu/thomasmartin/knights/

After 1933, World War I veterans pinned on their medals and visited
local Nazi officials to emphasize their patriotism. (Hauptsache
Schweigen, Marlies Flesch-Thebesius, Stuttgart: Radius Verlag, 1988).

Canuck57

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"z" <gzuc...@snail-mail.net> wrote in message
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On May 17, 11:45 am, yp <y...@hotmail.com> wrote:


> If he hadn't been crazy enough to chase all the Jews out of Germany,
> they would have acquired nuclear weapons, not the US. I think that
> would have sort of changed the outcome of the war, don't you? The
> Germans were certainly researching the field, along with their
> rocketry. But the majority of the great nuclear physicists were
> Jewish.

Imagine if Hitler did aquire nukes by working with jewish people, OMG - they
probably would have won WW II. Certainly would be different world today.

They could have borrowed Japanese aircraft carrier technology and dropped
one on Ottawa, DC, Sydney, London, Moscow, New Dehli, Peking and Tokyo to
get a world surrender. Just pound the world into submission one continent
at a time. If you can't control or take it, scorched earth policy.

Today, facism would have non-prefered races and religions as slaves or mass
extermination.

To scary to think about any longer. Not a world I would like and I would be
considered a blue eye arian.

But this isn't an arian disease, it is a human one. Others have tried to
rule the known world and were not arian. Who's turn next?


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Zapp Brannigan

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Canuck57 wrote

> The reality is the system is corrupt, at it starts with out own minds.
>

The fact that the Bloc received 1.5 million votes in the last election and has
46 seats in our Parliament and the Green party had 1 million votes and has no
seats speaks for itself. But that's not the kind of corrupt system you were
referring to, I guess.

And I am a person who supports the "first past the post" system.

john...@gmail.com

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On 17 May, 20:48, z <gzuck...@snail-mail.net> wrote:
> On May 17, 11:45 am, yp <y...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I would say that if he had been satisfied with the annexations of
> > Austria and Czechoslovakia, he would still be remembered as a great
> > hero for Germany. His big mistake was to attack Poland in 1939 and
> > thereby start a world war by involving the other powers, namely Great
> > Britain, France and so on.
>
> If he hadn't been crazy enough to chase all the Jews out of Germany,

If the Pope wasn't a Catholic he might have been the Caliph of Islam.
If bears didn't shit in the woods they might be bunny rabbits.

dolf

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Did someone say SIN?

I have recently added the meta descriptors for the categories of
understanding which don't have a temporal connection--I think of this as
the mechanistic and deterministic sin equivalent of the lint filter
within a clothes dryer.

var META_NONTEMPORAL = {
72: {},
148: {}, 184: {}, 196: {},
205: {}, 208: {}, 209: {}, 212: {}, 221: {}, 225: {}, 227: {}, 258:
{}, 267: {},
305: {}, 344: {}, 422: {}, 442: {}, 463: {}, 464: {}, 487: {},
501: {}, 508: {}, 510: {}, 515: {}, 519: {}, 525: {}, 530: {}, 531:
{}, 534: {}, 535: {}, 536: {}, 547: {}, 569: {}, 574: {}, 583: {}, 584: {}
}

I am able to look at the dialectic container or daemon in which these
occur by using the ?telos:num option

- http://www.grapple.id.au/vCube.html??telos:422

#148 / #72
- http://www.grapple.id.au/vCube.html?zen:8,nous:41

#184
- http://www.grapple.id.au/vCube.html?zen:8,nous:40

#196 (#70, #30, #40, #50, #6 Our secret sin)
- http://www.grapple.id.au/vCube.html?zen:1,nous:16

#100, #6, #90 to be astir, to move; to awake (from sleep or from death),
to rise from the dead; to arouse oneself; to hasten on.

#422 #10, #300, #2, #70, #30 n. The People Returns / #530 - #30, #80,
#10, #4, #6, #400 n. Torches
- http://www.grapple.id.au/vCube.html?zen:7,nous:65

The Church couches by such proposition, a continuing reliance upon
symbolic theology and philosophy of religion derived from Pythagorean
onomantick hymeneal (HETEROS: MARRIAGE) mysticism as a regime of Roman
Imperial religious/political governance. Which as blasphemy, is a
dynamic contention of opposites expressed between the Roman Imperial
religious/political hymeneal conception of the hyponomos (under law;
subject to law), as its natural and common law association to the
chronological hyponomic character of the hypostatis (eg: 12 x 6J = 72J +
3(3�+1)/2 = 457 BCE + 70 weeks = 33 CE as hypothetical) and the
personality of Jesus (YHVS) Christ--refusing to acknowledge the First
Cause as a Personality.

In this regard Richard Dawkins concedes a notion of God as Zeitgeist:
"In any society there exists a somewhat mysterious consensus, which
changes over the decades, and for which it is not pretentious to use the
German loan-word Zeitgeist {ie. the animating or defining spirit or mood
of a particular period of history as shown by the ideas and beliefs of
the time}." As the experience of a dominant cultural climate that
defines, particularly in Hegelian thinking, an era in the dialectical
progression of a people or the world at large. Hegel's (1770-1831) main
contribution to the formulation of the concept of Volksgeist ('Spirit of
the Nation') is the attribution of a historical character to the
concept. Examples of similar foundational concepts within the Australian
cultural lexicon are 'Qantas Spirit of Australia' and ANZAC. [ref:
Absolute Astronomy.com]

But does Richard Dawkins pretentions upon the German word 'geist' as
spooks, extend to poltergeist projections as well?

I don't get the impression that Dawkins directly rejects the general
concept of 'faith,' but, more importantly, discusses the differences
between scientific/rational thinking (which is dynamic and allows for
revision with the progression of time bringing us closer to the truth)
and the unhealthy, destructive and irrational religious thinking (which
is static, governed by interpretation of the bible, and contains
predetermined truths). Dawkins use of the theory of evolution in that
discussion was not to address the general issue of 'faith', but to
demonstrate the progressive nature in the scientific method. [Science
Blog entry: 2006.11.11 Misunderstanding Dawkins]

Next he'll be claiming that this static within interstitial space {ie.
has a Casimir effect described by quantum field theory} as the product
of mysterious psychokinetic phenomena to unconscious projections due to
psychic conflict, thereby constitutes speech--An electric hair dryer is
such an invention.

Pope Benedict XVI responding to such a disturbing notion at his
University of Jordan address on 9 May 2009 during his d�tente with the
Muslim world, said that faith and reason support each other. Religion
purifies reason of the temptation to presumption: "And as believers in
the one God we know that human reason is itself God�s gift and that it
soars to its highest plane when suffused with the light of God�s truth.
In fact, when human reason humbly allows itself to be purified by faith,
it is far from weakened; rather, it is strengthened to resist
presumption (was he thinking of Christopher Hitchens?) and to reach
beyond its own limitations."

Nevertheless, Dawkins on page 301 in his book 'The God Delusion'
published in 2006, draws upon this analogy as the progression of ideas,
in relating it to female suffrage. Which he observes, is now universal
in the world's democracies and is conceptually different from what the
common law state did. But this reform, as he suggests is in fact
astonishingly recent. Here are some dates at which women were granted
the vote:

1893 - New Zealand
1902 - Australia
1906 - Finland
1913 - Norway
1920 - United States
1928 - Britain
1945 - France
1946 - Belgium
1971 - Switzerland
2006 - Kuwait

This spread of dates through the twentieth century, Dawkins considers is
a gauge of the shifting Zeitgeist rather than evidence of the modern
regulatory and administrative state engaging within a trans-substantive
justification with respect to any former nationalistic anachronism such
as the white Australia policy.

In this way, human reason is emboldened to pursue its noble purpose of
serving mankind, giving expression to our deepest common aspirations and
extending, rather than manipulating or confining, public debate. Thus,
genuine adherence to religion � far from narrowing our minds � widens
the horizon of human understanding. It protects civil society from the
excesses of the unbridled ego which tend to absolutize the finite and
eclipse the infinite; (a dig at Richard Dawkins perhaps?) it ensures
that freedom is exercised hand in hand with truth, and it adorns culture
with insights concerning all that is true, good and beautiful.

It was a remarkable performance -- to explain the deepest notions of
Christian theology to a potentially hostile audience and leave without a
murmur of criticism. It seems clear that the Pope is seeking outcomes
from this dialogue with Muslim leaders -- more respect for Christianity,
more religious tolerance, more common action against secularism, more
common action in support of human dignity. How long it will take for the
message to sink in is a different matter. [Vatican Speech 2009.5.9,
Copyright 2009 - Libreria Editrice Vaticana, added emphasis from Michael
Cook 14 May 2009, MercatorNet.com]

Similarly the use of the Hebrew genealogy [Matthew 1:17; Luke 3:23-38]
is an attributed hypostatic metashematizo [2 Corinthians 11:14-15] to
define the character of the consecrated elements to the host [John
6:46-59] and compass or organic influence (ie. Zeitgeist) of the Godhead
as Elohiym, is derived from the biblical text of [1 Corinthians
12:20-26] which, in referring to the human body infers the genitalia by
the phrase:

"our unpresentable-ASCHEMON parts have greater modesty-EUSCHEMOSUNE"

Words with similar definitions obtained from the Perseus Digital
Library, Tufts University are:

Latin 1: conformatio 2: defingo 3: Megara (great houses such as Corinth;
respected Greek city-state) 4: conformo 5: figuratio
Greek 1: sch�matismos 2: sch�matopoie� 3: aposch�matiz� 4: morph�ma 5:
metasch�matiz�

With respects to the former schismatic presumptions as the geo-centric
Pythagorean and Julian perspective of the cosmology which had pervaded
since Greek astronomer and geographer Ptolemy (120 CE), I recently asked
Australians how they thought Captain James Cook mapped the east coast of
the continent and whether he made use of any recent technological
innovations, or as dependency upon a geo-centric and otherwise central
point of inexactitude in deference to the Dutch and their Intellectual
Property.

It was James Cook who had ambition not only to go farther than any man
had been before: (ie. The Dolphin voyage of 1766 CE was compromised by
the ship's nails being exchanged for sexual favors amongst the
Polynesian Islanders), but as far as it was possible for a man to
go--seized possession of Terra Australis on 20 April 1770 CE. A little
known aspect of Cook's voyage was his use of the first really accurate
chronometer that could be transported by sea. As a result of this
innovation he was able to accurately record longitude as well as
latitude. Latitude could be determined accurately using a sextant, but
accurate longitude had to wait for John Harrison to invent the
chronometer as the innovation that allowed Cook to depict Australia
cartographically and without reference to other maps.

Wasn't the planet Venus also used as the principle mode in determining
longitude? Observations made by appointment of the Royal Society at King
George's Island in the South Sea by Mr Charles Green, formerly assistant
at the Royal Observatory at Greenwich, and Lieutenant James Cook of His
Majesty's ship the Endeavour are recorded in the 1771 CE Philosophical
Transactions of the Royal Society, Vol. 61, p 41.

I simply make the observation that the planetary deities within the
Torah are also concerned with a computational and semiotic statement
about the cosmology having a pious and genealogical relationship with
the Hebrews, between the seven-day cycle and the Equinox cycles as
providing a relationship ('sanctification') and relativity to the
infinite as eternity. This worldview is also able to accommodate the
recent suggested finding of a 35,000 year old anthropological image of
the planet Venus located in German caves.

The other point I make in relation to this is the requirement for a
geo-centric paradigm of mind and governance, is that the planetary
metaschema known from Pythagoras (580-500 BCE) to Ptolemy (120 CE) to
1582 CE Gregorian calendar reforms was the 28 year x 365.25 cycle
computation made by the former Julian calendar. My view of the cosmology
given by NASA's Reference Publication on Fifty Year Canon of Solar
Eclipses: 1986 to 2035 by Fred Espenak, is that the Australian
geocentric--and I use this with great latitude within the field of: 4
degrees and inexactitude of longitude: 12 degrees--as proximity of solar
eclipses go, might equally be said to qualify for the purpose of
determination of a central orientation for its geo-centric technological
based paradigm of mind and governance.

Solar Eclipse [Julian 2452612.814] @ Latitude: 39 28.2S, Longitude: 59
33.6E on 4 December 2002 + 28 years,
Solar Eclipse [Julian 2462830.786] @ Latitude: 43 36.9S, Longitude: 71
18.5E on 25 November 2030

- dolf
-

john...@gmail.com

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On 17 May, 21:53, dolf <dolfb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Did someone say SIN?
>
> I have recently added the meta descriptors for the categories of
> understanding which don't have a temporal connection--I think of this as
> the mechanistic and deterministic sin equivalent of the lint filter
> within a clothes dryer.
>
> var META_NONTEMPORAL = {
>      72: {},
>      148: {}, 184: {}, 196: {},
>      205: {}, 208: {}, 209: {}, 212: {}, 221: {}, 225: {}, 227: {}, 258:
> {}, 267: {},
>      305: {}, 344: {}, 422: {}, 442: {}, 463: {}, 464: {}, 487: {},
>      501: {}, 508: {}, 510: {}, 515: {}, 519: {}, 525: {}, 530: {}, 531:
> {}, 534: {}, 535: {}, 536: {}, 547: {}, 569: {}, 574: {}, 583: {}, 584: {}
>
> }
>
> I am able to look at the dialectic container or daemon in which these
> occur by using the ?telos:num option
>
> -http://www.grapple.id.au/vCube.html??telos:422> -http://www.grapple.id.au/vCube.html?zen:8,nous:40

>
> #196 (#70, #30, #40, #50, #6    Our secret sin)
> -http://www.grapple.id.au/vCube.html?zen:1,nous:16

>
> #100, #6, #90 to be astir, to move; to awake (from sleep or from death),
> to rise from the dead; to arouse oneself; to hasten on.
>
> #422 #10, #300, #2, #70, #30 n. The People Returns / #530 - #30, #80,
> #10, #4, #6, #400 n. Torches
> -http://www.grapple.id.au/vCube.html?zen:7,nous:65
>
> john....@gmail.com wrote:
> > On 17 May, 20:48, z <gzuck...@snail-mail.net> wrote:
> >> On May 17, 11:45 am, yp <y...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> I would say that if he had been satisfied with the annexations of
> >>> Austria and Czechoslovakia, he would still be remembered as a great
> >>> hero for Germany. His big mistake was to attack Poland in 1939 and
> >>> thereby start a world war by involving the other powers, namely Great
> >>> Britain, France and so on.
> >> If he hadn't been crazy enough to chase all the Jews out of Germany,
>
> > If the Pope wasn't a Catholic he might have been the Caliph of Islam.
> > If bears didn't shit in the woods they might be bunny rabbits.
>
> The Church couches by such proposition, a continuing reliance upon
> symbolic theology and philosophy of religion derived from Pythagorean
> onomantick hymeneal (HETEROS: MARRIAGE) mysticism as a regime of Roman
> Imperial religious/political governance. Which as blasphemy, is a
> dynamic contention of opposites expressed between the Roman Imperial
> religious/political hymeneal conception of the hyponomos (under law;
> subject to law), as its natural and common law association to the
> chronological hyponomic character of the hypostatis (eg: 12 x 6J = 72J +
> 3(3²+1)/2 = 457 BCE + 70 weeks = 33 CE as hypothetical) and the
> University of Jordan address on 9 May 2009 during his détente with the

> Muslim world, said that faith and reason support each other. Religion
> purifies reason of the temptation to presumption: "And as believers in
> the one God we know that human reason is itself God’s gift and that it
> soars to its highest plane when suffused with the light of God’s truth.
> genuine adherence to religion – far from narrowing our minds – widens
> Greek 1: schêmatismos 2: schêmatopoieô 3: aposchêmatizô 4: morphôma 5:
> metaschêmatizô

What Is your take on defecating bears?

Butteye Jest

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In article <S4SPl.25548$ho7....@newsfe10.iad>,
"Robert Sveinson" <rsve...@mts.net> wrote:

> >>Hitler was a socialist,
>
> Hitler was never a socialist. Do not let the name
> of his political party fool you!
>
>
> >a National Socialist or Nazi.
>
> That is true! By putting the two words National and Socialist
> together refutes any claim that he was a socialist!
>
> Oddly! Some historians have suggested that if Hitler
> had died in 1937 he would be revered today as
> a nation builder!
>
> It was that close!

Hitler created targets for the people to direct their hate towards, much
like Bush has done. Hitler first targeted the people who lived more
liberally, compared to Hitler, who started out as a staunch
authoritarian christian-indoctrinated charismatic leader. He initially
wore a "better than thou" christian cloak and went after cleaning up the
whorehouse debauchery in Germany at the time.

--
Ole Butteye

z

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On May 17, 4:02 pm, "Canuck57" <d...@nospam.net> wrote:
> "z" <gzuck...@snail-mail.net> wrote in message

some people make the argument that if a person or nation is crazy
enough to buy into racist theories, for instance, then they are by
definition too crazy to win a war, since they're not only wasting
their assets, they're actually wasting some assets destroying other
assets. i certainly hope that works out to be true.

john...@gmail.com

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If nothing matters any more why don't we join the United States?
What's the point of being British, when we might be Americans?

Roy

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> What's the point of being British, when we might be Americans?- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Canada is unique...leave it be.
=

Zapp Brannigan

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Butteye Jest wrote

> In article <S4SPl.25548$ho7....@newsfe10.iad>,
> "Robert Sveinson" <rsve...@mts.net> wrote:
>
> > >>Hitler was a socialist,
> >
> > Hitler was never a socialist. Do not let the name
> > of his political party fool you!
> >
> >
> > >a National Socialist or Nazi.
> >
> > That is true! By putting the two words National and Socialist
> > together refutes any claim that he was a socialist!
> >
> > Oddly! Some historians have suggested that if Hitler
> > had died in 1937 he would be revered today as
> > a nation builder!
> >
> > It was that close!
>
> Hitler created targets for the people to direct their hate towards, much
> like Bush has done.

That's why the nationalistic attitude should never be compared to bona fide
patriotism. National Socialists like Hitler were staunch nationalists who
cloaked the sheer nonsense of racism under the paper thin cloak of patriotism.

Remember the days when the Vietnam war was protested? The "silent majority"
would say "Though I disagree with what you say, I will defend your right to
say it with my life". That's because they were from the WW2 days, I think.

During the Bush era it was more like:

"You're either with us, or against us".

Dirk Bruere at NeoPax

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z wrote:
> On May 17, 11:45 am, yp <y...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I would say that if he had been satisfied with the annexations of
>> Austria and Czechoslovakia, he would still be remembered as a great
>> hero for Germany. His big mistake was to attack Poland in 1939 and
>> thereby start a world war by involving the other powers, namely Great
>> Britain, France and so on.
>
>
> If he hadn't been crazy enough to chase all the Jews out of Germany,
> they would have acquired nuclear weapons, not the US. I think that
> would have sort of changed the outcome of the war, don't you? The
> Germans were certainly researching the field, along with their
> rocketry. But the majority of the great nuclear physicists were
> Jewish.
>
> In March 1933, the Jewish congregation of Berlin sent a statement to
> Hitler affirming "the pledge that we belong to the German people; it
> is our sacred duty, our right and our deepest wish that we take an
> active part in its renewal and rise." In 1936, the "Reich Association
> of Jewish Front Soldiers" com�memorated their fallen comrades from

> World War I with a ceremony in Berlin that stressed their loyalty to
> the Fatherland. Out of 84,352 Jewish soldiers, 29,874 (=35.42 percent)
> were decorated. 19,545 (=23.17 percent) were promoted, out of these
> 2,022 (=2.4 percent) became officers. In December 1935, the Reich
> Propaganda Ministry issued a decree forbidding Jewish soldiers to be
> named among the dead in World War I memorials.
> (Peter Melcher, Weissensee. Ein Friedhof als Spiegelbild j�discher Ge�

> schichte in Berlin, Berlin: Haude & Spener, 1986).
>
> A higher percentage of German Jews fought in World War I than that of
> any other ethnic, religious or political group in Germany. (Rigg,
> Bryan: Hitler�s Jewish Soldiers, University Press of Kansas, 2009)

>
> 12,000 German Jews Who Died for their Fatherland in World War I.
> http://www.germanjewishsoldiers.com/introduction.php
>
> Germany's Jewish airmen during WWI: http://people.sinclair.edu/thomasmartin/knights/
>
> After 1933, World War I veterans pinned on their medals and visited
> local Nazi officials to emphasize their patriotism. (Hauptsache
> Schweigen, Marlies Flesch-Thebesius, Stuttgart: Radius Verlag, 1988).

All Hitler had to do to win WW2 was:
a) Use captured Russian troops to fight Stalin, with bogus promises of a
"Free Russia" (after the war)
b) Not declare war on the USA

--
Dirk

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"z" <gzuc...@snail-mail.net> wrote in message
news:41b7aa98-84d2-4342...@e23g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...

On May 17, 11:45 am, yp <y...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I would say that if he had been satisfied with the annexations of
> Austria and Czechoslovakia, he would still be remembered as a great
> hero for Germany. His big mistake was to attack Poland in 1939 and
> thereby start a world war by involving the other powers, namely Great
> Britain, France and so on.


If he hadn't been crazy enough to chase all the Jews out of Germany,

DONT THINK HE HAD MUCH CHOICE.


Hitler blocks communism and Jews declare war on Germany
> >
> >
> >
> > Hitler is in the way of Communism
> >
> > wpeFE.jpg (2489 bytes)
> >
> >
> >
> > Infuriated Jews declared war on Germany
> >
> > wpeF9.jpg (26368 bytes)
> >
> >
> >
> > Hitler stood alone and defiant against the tidal wave of Jewish
> > organized Communism then sweeping all before it. The Communists had
> > seized Russia and were at the bottom of civil unrest and revolution
> > throughout eastern Europe; Britain, France, - the Spanish Civil War -,
> > the British dominions and the United States.
> >
> > Germany alone repelled and held in check this tidal wave of subversion
> > and insurrection.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Circumstances leading up to Kristallnacht
> >
> >
> > Herschel Grynszpan
> >
> > wpeF5.jpg (3777 bytes)
> > A Jew assassinates a diplomat
> >
> > Grynszpan was an 17 yr old unemployed Jew who was funded by LICRA (
> > Jewish activist group ). His father had been a tailor who had moved
> > from Poland to Germany. Herschel had a reputation for disliking work
> > and he hung out at the homes of his uncles in Brussels and Paris.
> >
> > He checked into an expensive hotel just round the corner from the
> > offices of LICA.
> >
> > On November 7 1938, Herschel Grynszpan walked into the German embassy
> > in Paris and shot Ernst vom Rath, a German diplomat, five times.
> >
> > LICA at once hired one of the foremost barristers in Paris, and paid
> > his legal costs when he was arrested.
> > wpeF8.jpg (3083 bytes) Ernst vom Rath
> >
> > Was a 31 yr old German diplomat in Paris.
> >
> >
> >
> > Grynszpan was arrested
> > wpeF6.jpg (4305 bytes) Grynszpan was arrested at the scene and was
> > taken to a police station. Although he was a totally obscure Polish Jew
> > with no money and no apparent supporters, nevertheless one of France's
> > most famous lawyers, Moro Giafferi, appeared at the police station a
> > few hours after the shooting and told the police that he was
> > Grynszpan's attorney
> >
> >
> >
> > Famous lawyer ( Moro Giafferi ) mysteriously appears
> > wpeF7.jpg (2288 bytes)
> >
> > Moro Giafferi turns out to be the legal counsel of the LICA which was
> > founded in Paris in 1933 by the Jew Bernard Lecache and operated as a
> > militant propaganda organization .
> >
> > Another assassination
> >
> > In February 1936 Giafferi represented the Jew David Frankfurter who had
> > shot and killed Wilhelm Gustloff, the head of the Swiss branch of the
> > German National Socialist Party. During the subsequent trial it was
> > clearly established that Frankfurter had been a hired murderer with
> > backed by LICRA.
> >
> >
> >
> > Grynszpan survives the war and lives in Paris supported by LICRA
> > LICRA
> >
> > wpeF6.jpg (3187 bytes)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Grynszpan survived the war and returned to Paris where he was supported
> > by LICRA and was never charged.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Bernard Lecache - LICRA founder
> > wpe100.jpg (2347 bytes) Grynszpan family recieved a vast sum and
> > papers to Palestine from LICRA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > What Really Happened During the Crystal Night
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > wpeFC.jpg (11969 bytes)
> >
> >
> >
> >

> > Provocateurs appear in border towns
> > wpeED.jpg (4105 bytes) On 8 November 1938, one day before the Crystal
> > Night, strange persons who had never been seen there before suddenly
> > appeared in several small towns in Hessen near the French-German
> > border. They went to mayors, Kreisleiters (district Party leaders) and
> > other important officials in these towns and asked them what actions
> > were being planned against the Jews. The officials were rather startled
> > by these questions and replied that they didn't know of any such plans.
> > The strangers acted as if they were shocked to hear this. They shouted
> > and complained that something had to be done against the Jews and then,
> > without further explanation, they disappeared.
> > They usually regarded the strangers as crazy anti-Semites and promptly
> > forgot about the incidents - until the next evening. Some of these
> > apparently crazy individuals really outdid themselves.
> >
> >
> >
> > Provocateurs dress as SS
> > wpeEF.jpg (2292 bytes) In one case two men, dressed as members of the
> > SS, went to an SA Standartenfuehrer (Colonel) and ordered him to
> > destroy the nearby synagogue. To understand the absurdity of this one
> > must know that the SS and SA were completely separate organizations. A
> > real SS member would never have tried to give orders to an SA unit.
> > This case shows that the strangers were foreigners who did not even
> > understand the distinctions of German authority. The SA
> > Standartenfuehrer rejected the demands of the self-styled SS men and
> > reported the incident to his superiors.
> >
> >
> >
> > Strangers giving speeches
> > wpeFB.jpg (5701 bytes) When the provocateurs realized that their
> > efforts were not working with local officials, they changed their
> > tactics. Instead they tried to incite directly the people in the
> > streets. In another town, for example, two men appeared at the market
> > place and began making speeches to the people there, trying to incite
> > them against the Jews. Eventually some people did indeed storm the
> > synagogue, but by then the two provocateurs had, of course,
> > disappeared. Similar incidents occurred in several towns.
> > Unidentified strangers suddenly appeared, gave speeches, started
> > throwing stones at windows, stormed Jewish buildings, schools,
> > hospitals, and synagogues, and then disappeared.
> >
> > These unusual incidents had already started on the 8th of November,
> > that is, before Ernst vom Rath was dead. His death was only reported
> > late on the evening of the 9th. The fact that this strange pattern of
> > incidents had already begun one day earlier proves that the death of
> > vom Rath was not the reason for the Crystal Night outburst. Vom Rath
> > was still alive when the pogrom began.
> >
> >
> >
> > These were methodical thugs and not enraged citizens
> > wpe102.jpg (1793 bytes) Well organized and widespread incidents began
> > on the evening of 9 November. Groups of generally five or six young
> > men, armed with bars and clubs, went down the streets smashing store
> > windows. They were not Jew-hating SA men, enraged over the murder of a
> > German diplomat. They operated too methodically to have been motivated
> > by anger.
> >
> > They carried out their work without any apparent emotion. Nonetheless,
> > it was their destruction
> > that encouraged certain other individuals from the lowest social
> > classes to become a mob and continue the destruction.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > All one can learn from history writers is that "all" synagogues were
> > demolished and that "all" shop windows were destroyed. Aside from this
> > vague description, one is given almost no details.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jews fought off attacks
> >
> >
> > History writers tell us that during the Crystal Night all the Jews were
> > frightened, meekly accepted whatever happened to them and watched the
> > destruction of their property with no resistance. The contrary is true.
> > While going through the files on this subject, I found many documents
> > which report precisely just the opposite of what is claimed. The fact
> > is that in many cases Jews and their German neighbors fought together
> > against the attackers, pushing them down staircases. Street mobs were
> > beaten up and chased away in more than one case.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Police on side of Jews
> >
> > SA officers stood watch preventing attacks
> >
> > Police and Party officials were generally on the side of the Jews. Some
> > Jewish community leaders went to police stations the next morning and
> > asked the police to investigate the damage done to their synagogues.
> > The resulting police reports are still available in the files today.
> > wpeEF.jpg (4518 bytes)
> >
> >
> >
> > Jews weren't phased by attacks
> > wpeF7.jpg (5870 bytes) Also contrary to what we have been told, most
> > Jews were not directly affected by these events. In Berlin, for
> > example, all of the teachers and pupils of the city's largest Jewish
> > school, which served the entire Berlin area, appeared in their classes
> > the next morning without having noticed anything unusual during the
> > previous night.
> >
> > Heinemann Stern, the Jewish principal of that school, wrote in his
> > postwar memoirs that he noticed a burning synagogue on his way to the
> > school on the morning after the Crystal Night, but he thought it was
> > just an accidental fire.
> >
> > It was only after he arrived at the school that he received a telephone
> > call informing him of the destruction of the previous night. He then
> > went on with his classes of the day and only during the first recess
> > did he take the trouble to inform the entire student body about what
> > had happened.
> >
> > Jewish historians rewrote history
> >
> > Historians wrote: "Every single Jew was beaten, chased, robbed,
> > insulted and humiliated. The SA tore the Jews from their beds,
> > mercilessly beat them in their apartments and then ... chased them
> > almost to death ... Blood flowed everywhere."
> >
> > [9] Is it conceivable that thousands of Jewish children would be have
> > been sent to school by their parents on the morning after that fateful
> > night if the attacks against Jews had been so horrific or extensive?
> > Would any parents have let their children go to school if they had
> > thought there was even the slightest danger of them being attacked by
> > roving gangs of SA men? I think the answer is clearly no!
> >
> >
> >
> > Who Could the Provocateurs Have Been?
> >
> > In the wake of the Crystal Night, almost everyone wanted to know who
> > the culprits were. Dr. Goebbels expressed his suspicion that a secret
> > organization must have instigated the entire affair. He simply could
> > not believe that anything so well organized could have been a
> > spontaneous popular outburst.
> >
> > Apparently to avoid internal wrangling and the harm that this would do
> > to their public image, an investigation to determine the instigators
> > never took place. Hitler believed that Dr. Goebbels, his closest
> > confidant and the one man he could never abandon, had been the
> > instigator.
> >
> > The only persons actually punished were individual SA men who had
> > participated directly in the pogrom and been accused in German courts
> > of murder, assault, looting or other criminal acts by Jewish or German
> > witnesses to these crimes. But before any of these cases ever actually
> > came to trail, Hitler issued a special decree ordering the postponement
> > of all such cases until after the accused individuals were first
> > prosecuted by the Supreme Party Court, an internal court concerned with
> > discipline within the National Socialist Party organization.
> >
> >
> > Mystery phone calls to local town officials
> > wpe103.jpg (1679 bytes) Several district and local Party leaders
> > (Kreisleiters and Ortsgruppenleiters) were awakened from their sleep in
> > the middle of the night by telephone calls. Someone claiming to be from
> > the regional Party headquarters or the regional Party propaganda bureau
> > (Gauleitung or Gaupropagandaleitung) would ask what was happening in
> > the official's town or city. If the Party official answered "Nothing,
> > everything is quiet," the telephone caller would then say in German
> > slang that he had received an order to the effect that the Jews were
> > going to get it tonight and that the respective official should carry
> > out the order.
> >
> > In most cases the Party leader, disturbed from his sleep, did not even
> > understand what had happened. Some simply dismissed the call as a joke
> > and went back to bed.
> >
> > Others called back the office from where the telephone voice had
> > pretended to be calling. If they managed to reach someone in charge,
> > they were often told that nobody knew anything about such a call. But
> > if they reached only a lower official they were often told: "Well, if
> > you got that order, you'd better go ahead and do what you were told."
> > These telephone calls caused considerable confusion. All this came out
> > months later during the trials conducted by the Supreme Party Court.
> > The Chief Judge concluded that in every case a misunderstanding had
> > arisen in one link or other of the chain of command. But when they were
> > confronted with apparently genuine orders to organize demonstrations
> > against the Jews that night, most of the Party leaders had simply not
> > known what to do.
> >
> >
> >
> > Obviously a group of centrally organized thugs
> >
> >
> > The pattern of seemingly sporadic anti-Jewish incidents in small towns,
> > followed only later by a carefully planned outburst in many large
> > cities throughout Germany, clearly suggests the work of a centrally
> > organized group of well-trained agents. Even shortly after the Crystal
> > Night, many leading Party officials suspected that the entire affair
> > had been centrally coordinated. Significantly, even Hermann Graml, the
> > only West German historian who has written in detail about the Crystal
> > Night, carefully distinguished between provocateurs and people who were
> > simply carried away by their emotions and spontaneously took part in
> > the riot and destruction.
> >
> >
> >
> > The timing was perfect
> >
> > Most party officials were at a commemoration at the Alte Rathaus in
> > Munich
> >
> > wpeF5.jpg (5381 bytes)
> >
> >
> > Munich on the Ninth of November
> > While all this was happening across the Reich, a special annual
> > commemoration was being held in Munich. Fifteen years earlier, on 9
> > November 1923, a movement led by Adolph Hitler, Erich von Ludendorff (a
> > leading First World War General), and two major figures in the Bavarian
> > government tried to depose the legal government and take responsibility
> > themselves as a new national government. wpeF6.jpg (2743 bytes)
> >
> >
> > Feldherrnhalle
> > wpeF1.jpg (8854 bytes) The uprising or putsch was put down and 16
> > rebels were shot down next to the Feldherrnhalle, a famous old monument
> > building in central Munich. Accordingly, the 9th of November had been
> > commemorated every year since 1933 as the memorial day for the martyred
> > heroes of the National Socialist movement. Adolph Hitler and the Party
> > veterans, as well as all of the Gauleiters (regional Party leaders) met
> > every year in Munich for the occasion. Hitler would usually deliver a
> > speech to a select audience of Party veterans at the famous
> > Buergerbraeukeller restaurant on the evening of the 8th.
> >
> > Hitler and veterans reenact
> >
> > On the morning of the 9th Hitler and his veteran comrades would reenact
> > the 1923 "March to the Feldherrnhalle."
> >
> >
> > wpeF7.jpg (3902 bytes)
> >
> >
> > wpeF0.jpg (3689 bytes) SS ceremony
> >
> > On the evening of the 9th the Fuehrer always held an informal dinner at
> > the Old Town Hall ("Alte Rathaus") with old comrades as well as all the
> > Gauleiters. At midnight young men who were about to enter the SS and
> > the SA were sworn in at the Feldherrnhalle.
> >
> > All of the Gauleiters and other guests participated in this very solemn
> > ceremony. After it was over they left Munich and returned to their
> > homes throughout the Reich.
> >
> >
> > Gaulieters not at posts
> >
> >
> > It is clear that the 9th of November date was chosen very cleverly. The
> > annual commemoration ceremony of that day insured that almost all of
> > the Gauleiters would be away from their home offices when the
> > anti-Jewish demonstrations began. In other words, the actual
> > decision-making responsibilities that were normally carried out by the
> > Gauleiters were temporarily in the hands of lower-ranking individuals
> > with less experience.
> >
> > Between 8 and 10 November, subordinate officials stood in for the
> > Gauleiters who were either in Munich or en route to or from the annual
> > commemoration there. This temporary transfer of decision-making
> > authority is very important because it contributed to much of the
> > subsequent confusion and thus helped the provocateurs. Another
> > contributing factor was the fact that no one expected any trouble. At
> > that time Germany was one of the most peaceful countries in the world.
> >
> >
> > There was no reason to expect any kind of unrest. It was only during
> > dinner at the Old Town Hall that the first sporadic reports of riot and
> > destruction reached Munich from some of the Gauleiter's home offices.
> > At the same time it was learned that Ernst vom Rath had died in Paris
> > from his wounds.
> >
> >
> >
> > What Was Goebbels Doing?
> > wpeF2.jpg (2300 bytes) After the dinner was over, the Fuehrer left at
> > about 9 p.m. and returned to his apartment. Dr. Goebbels then stood up
> > and spoke briefly about the latest news. He informed the audience that
> > vom Rath had died and that, as a result, anti-Jewish demonstrations had
> > spontaneously broken out in two or three places. Goebbels was renowned
> > for his passionate and inspiring speeches. But what he gave that
> > evening was not a speech at all but only a short and very informal
> > announcement.
> >
> >
> >
> > He suggested that the Gauleiters and the head of the SA, Viktor Lutze,
> > should contact their home offices to make sure that peace and order
> > were being maintained.
> >
> >
> > You may have heard the widespread allegation that Goebbels started the
> > Crystal Night pogrom with a fiery speech on that evening of 9 November.
> > This widely accepted story is false. The following facts will clarify
> > this point:
> >
> > As Gauleiter for Berlin, Dr. Goebbels had no authority outside of his
> > Berlin district. Although he was also the Propaganda Minister of the
> > German government, this did not give him any authority over Party
> > officials. Furthermore, he had no authority whatsoever over the SA or
> > the SS.
> >
> >
> > Goebbels understood this damaged the Reich international standing
> > Of all the National Socialist leaders, Dr. Goebbels would have
> > understood better than anyone else the immense damage that an
> > anti-Jewish pogrom would cause for Germany. On the morning of 10
> > November, when he first learned about the extent of the damage and
> > destruction of the previous night, he was furious and shocked at the
> > stupidity of those who had participated.
> >
> > How could a speech given after 9 p.m. on the evening of 9 November have
> > possibly incited a "pogrom" which had already begun the day before when
> > the first provocateurs appeared at municipal and Party offices to
> > persuade officials to take action against the Jews?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Gauleiters telephoned subordinates to maintain peace
> > The Gauleiters and the SA commander went to the telephones and called
> > their respective home offices to order their subordinates to do
> > everything necessary to maintain peace and order. They emphasized that
> > under no circumstances must anyone take part in any demonstrations.
> > These telephone instructions were written down at the home offices by
> > whoever was on duty. The orders from each Gauleiter were then passed on
> > by telex to other offices within the Gau or district. These telex
> > messages are still in various records files and are available to anyone
> > who wishes to examine them.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Orders to Stop the Pogrom
> > wpeF5.jpg (3954 bytes) While the Gauleiters were calling their home
> > offices, the head of the SA, Viktor Lutze, ordered all of his immediate
> > subordinates, the SA Gruppenfuehrers, who were together with him in
> > Munich, to call their home offices as well. Lutze ordered that under no
> > circumstances could SA men take part in any demonstrations against
> > Jews, and that furthermore the SA was to intervene to stop any
> > demonstrations already in progress.
> >
> >
> > SA, Viktor Lutze gives orders to protect Jews
> >
> > As a result of these strict orders, SA men began to guard Jewish stores
> > that very night wherever windows had been broken. There is no doubt
> > about this order by Lutze because we have the postwar court testimony
> > of several witnesses confirming it. The SS and the police were given
> > similar orders to restore peace and order.
> > wpeFB.jpg (2954 bytes)
> >
> >
> >
> > Heydrich orders SS to protect Jews
> > wpeFC.jpg (1558 bytes) Himmler ordered Reinhard Heydrich to prevent
> > all destruction of property and to protect Jews against demonstrators.
> > The telex communication of this order still exists. It is in the files
> > of the International Military Tribunal in Nuremberg.
> > However, during the Nuremberg trial this telex order was presented in
> > three different forms, with forged amendments to change the original
> > meaning.
> >
> > In my book Feuerzeichen I undertook to restore the original text.
> > wpeED.jpg (6116 bytes)
> >
> >
> > Hitler was furious
> > wpeFE.jpg (2489 bytes) Adolf Hitler joined the midnight celebration at
> > the Feldherrnhalle. It was only after he returned to his apartment
> > about one o'clock in the morning that he learned about the
> > demonstrations which had been taking place in Munich, during which one
> > synagogue had been set on fire. He was furious and immediately ordered
> > the police chief of Munich to come see him. Hitler told him to
> > immediately stop the fire and to make sure that no other outrages took
> > place in Munich. He then called various police and Party officials
> > throughout the Reich to learn the extent of these demonstrations
> >
> > Finally, he ordered a telex message sent to all Gauleiter offices. It
> > read: "By express order from the very highest authority, arson against
> > Jewish businesses or other property must in no case and under no
> > circumstances take place." Synagogues were not specifically mentioned,
> > apparently because Hitler was still unaware of the burning of
> > synagogues, apart from the one in Munich.
> >
> > How Did the SA Get Involved Despite the Orders From Its Own Leaders?
> >
> > According to the records, at least three of the 28 SA Groups did not
> > obey the orders of SA chief Lutze. Instead, they sent out their men to
> > destroy synagogues and Jewish buildings. In effect they did precisely
> > the opposite of what Lutze had ordered. What actually happened is clear
> > from the testimony and evidence presented at postwar trials against
> > former SA men accused of participating in the riot.
> >
> >
> >
> > Provocateurs sent messages to SA Brigade
> > wpeED.jpg (2921 bytes) The trials, held between 1946 and 1952, were
> > based to a large extent on the report of SA Brigade 50 chief Karl Lucke
> > and begins with these words: "On 10 November 1938, at 3 o'clock in the
> > morning, I received the following order: 'By order of the
> > Gruppenfuehrer, all Jewish synagogues within the Brigade district are
> > to be immediately blown up or set on fire'." Lucke then included in his
> > report a listing of synagogues which had been destroyed by members of
> > his Brigade.
> >
> > This report has been cited by the prosecution at the Nuremberg Tribunal
> > and by practically all of the consensus historians ever since as proof
> > that the SA was given orders to destroy Jewish stores and synagogues.
> >
> > Lutze ordered the Group leaders to contact their home offices to stop
> > all anti-Jewish demonstrations, Fust, along with the other SA leaders,
> > did just that. He called his office in Mannheim and passed on the
> > orders he had received from Lutze. The man who was on duty that night
> > at the Mannheim SA office telephone and who received Fust's order
> > confirmed that he understood it and then hung up. But he never passed
> > on the order he had received. Instead, he transmitted precisely the
> > opposite order.
> >
> > Fritsch gets bogus orders
> > wpeF0.jpg (1550 bytes) The normal procedure would have been for the
> > man on duty at the telephone to immediately call the deputy group
> > leader, Lucke, who was in nearby Darmstadt. But instead he called SA
> > Oberfuehrer (senior colonel) Fritsch and asked him to come to the
> > office. Fritsch had a reputation for not being particularly clever.
> > When he arrived, the man who had received the telephone call showed him
> > a small paper slip with a few notes on it which said that the
> > synagogues within the Mannheim SA Group district were to be destroyed.
> >
> > The man who had received the call explained to Fritsch that the order
> > had just arrived from Munich. Slow-minded as he was, Fritsch did not
> > know what to do and called the local Kreisleiter (district Party
> > leader) and his deputy. These two men then arrived at the SA office and
> > discussed the situation, while at the same time the telephone duty man
> > notified other SA leaders, but still not the deputy Group leader Lucke.
> > In the meantime the small paper slip disappeared and the SA men now
> > arriving at the headquarters met only the Kreisleiter, who told them
> > about the order which he thought had come from Munich. No one asked for
> > any further confirmation. The SA men then left to begin the
> > destruction. Hours later, when the whole action was almost finished,
> > the telephone guard finally called Deputy Group Leader Lucke and passed
> > on the false order. He also informed Lucke that the action had already
> > been going on for several hours. Since it was almost all over by this
> > time, Lucke also neglected to ask for confirmation of the order. It was
> > already 3 o'clock in the morning. Lucke then alerted the
> > Standartenfuehrer of his Brigade and carried out the destruction within
> > the Darmstadt district.
> >
> > Mysterious telephone call
> >
> >
> > At 8 o'clock the next morning Lucke sat down and wrote the report which
> > was later cited at the Nuremberg Tribunal. In fact, as already shown,
> > there was no order to commit arson or carry out destruction against any
> > Jewish property from the Gruppenfuehrer in Munich, but only from the
> > telephone guard. Who he was remains a mystery. During the postwar
> > trials against members of this SA unit, none of the judges asked for
> > the name or identity of this telephone guard. This mysterious man was
> > very probably an agent for those who were actually behind the entire
> > Crystal Night Affair.
> >
> >
> > The Fine Imposed on the Jews
> > wpeA9.jpg (11601 bytes) German government and Party officials were
> > furious about what had happened. Hermann Goering, who was responsible
> > for Germany's economy, complained that it would be impossible to
> > replace the special plate glass of the broken store windows because it
> > was not manufactured in Germany. It had to be imported from Belgium and
> > would cost a great deal of precious foreign currency.
> >
> >
> >
> > Reason for fine
> > wpeF8.jpg (3662 bytes) Because of the Jewish boycott against German
> > goods, the Reich was short of foreign exchange currency. Goering
> > therefore decided that because this shortage was caused by the Jews, it
> > was they who would have to pay for the broken glass. He imposed a fine
> > of one billion Reichsmarks on the German Jews.
> >
> > It was certainly unjust to force Jews to pay for damage which they had
> > not caused. Goering understood this. However, in private he justified
> > the fine by citing the fact that the 1933 Jewish declaration of war
> > against Germany was proclaimed in the name of the millions of Jews
> > throughout the world.
> >
> > Therefore they could now help their co-religionists in Germany bear the
> > consequences of the boycott. It should also be pointed out that only
> > German Jews with assets of more than 5,000 Reichsmarks in cash had to
> > contribute to the fine. In 1938, when prices were very low, 5,000
> > Reichsmarks was a small fortune.
> >
> > The Reich confiscated all insurance payments that were to have been
> > paid to Jews whose businesses and homes were looted or destroyed and
> > the Jewish owners were made personally responsible for the cost of all
> > repairs.
> >
> >
> >
> > 'Crystal Night' 1938: The great Anti-German spectacle
> > Ingrid Weckert
> >
> > * Paper Presented to the Sixth International Revisionist
> > Conference.
> >


> Hitler and the Nazis got the backing of the Industrialists, who
> preferred
> him to the Communists.
> True, modern-day Israel seems to have learnt its lesson from Hitler, and
> Zionists know God tends to be on the side of the Big Battalions. But they
> forget Hitler's ultimate fate. Those who live by war and hate, die that
> way.

they would have acquired nuclear weapons, not the US. I think that
would have sort of changed the outcome of the war, don't you? The
Germans were certainly researching the field, along with their
rocketry. But the majority of the great nuclear physicists were
Jewish.

In March 1933, the Jewish congregation of Berlin sent a statement to
Hitler affirming "the pledge that we belong to the German people; it
is our sacred duty, our right and our deepest wish that we take an
active part in its renewal and rise." In 1936, the "Reich Association
of Jewish Front Soldiers" com�memorated their fallen comrades from
World War I with a ceremony in Berlin that stressed their loyalty to
the Fatherland. Out of 84,352 Jewish soldiers, 29,874 (=35.42 percent)
were decorated. 19,545 (=23.17 percent) were promoted, out of these
2,022 (=2.4 percent) became officers. In December 1935, the Reich
Propaganda Ministry issued a decree forbidding Jewish soldiers to be
named among the dead in World War I memorials.

(Peter Melcher, Weissensee. Ein Friedhof als Spiegelbild j�discher Ge�

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canadians are americans, they just aren't part of the US. same as
mexicans.
don't let the US bully you out of your identity, just because they
picked a name for their country that would make them claim to be
unitedstatesians.

z

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> "z" <gzuck...@snail-mail.net> wrote in message
> ...
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On May 17, 7:06 pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> z wrote:
> > On May 17, 11:45 am, yp <y...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> I would say that if he had been satisfied with the annexations of
> >> Austria and Czechoslovakia, he would still be remembered as a great
> >> hero for Germany. His big mistake was to attack Poland in 1939 and
> >> thereby start a world war by involving the other powers, namely Great
> >> Britain, France and so on.
>
> > If he hadn't been crazy enough to chase all the Jews out of Germany,
> > they would have acquired nuclear weapons, not the US. I think that
> > would have sort of changed the outcome of the war, don't you? The
> > Germans were certainly researching the field, along with their
> > rocketry. But the majority of the great nuclear physicists were
> > Jewish.
>
> > In March 1933, the Jewish congregation of Berlin sent a statement to
> > Hitler affirming "the pledge that we belong to the German people; it
> > is our sacred duty, our right and our deepest wish that we take an
> > active part in its renewal and rise." In 1936, the "Reich Association
> > of Jewish Front Soldiers" com­memorated their fallen comrades from

> > World War I with a ceremony in Berlin that stressed their loyalty to
> > the Fatherland. Out of 84,352 Jewish soldiers, 29,874 (=35.42 percent)
> > were decorated. 19,545 (=23.17 percent) were promoted, out of these
> > 2,022 (=2.4 percent) became officers. In December 1935, the Reich
> > Propaganda Ministry issued a decree forbidding Jewish soldiers to be
> > named among the dead in World War I memorials.
> > (Peter Melcher, Weissensee. Ein Friedhof als Spiegelbild jüdischer Ge­

> > schichte in Berlin, Berlin: Haude & Spener, 1986).
>
> > A higher percentage of German Jews fought in World War I than that of
> > any other ethnic, religious or political group in Germany. (Rigg,
> > Bryan: Hitler’s Jewish Soldiers, University Press of Kansas, 2009)

>
> > 12,000 German Jews Who Died for their Fatherland in World War I.
> >http://www.germanjewishsoldiers.com/introduction.php
>
> > Germany's Jewish airmen during WWI:http://people.sinclair.edu/thomasmartin/knights/
>
> > After 1933, World War I veterans pinned on their medals and visited
> > local Nazi officials to emphasize their patriotism. (Hauptsache
> > Schweigen, Marlies Flesch-Thebesius, Stuttgart: Radius Verlag, 1988).
>
> All Hitler had to do to win WW2 was:
> a) Use captured Russian troops to fight Stalin, with bogus promises of a
> "Free Russia" (after the war)
> b) Not declare war on the USA

he might have got away with it, after all there were enough "not our
war" types in the US, except that his ally Japan was looking to
dominate the pacific.

Zapp Brannigan

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Prince Andy wrote

> If he hadn't been crazy enough to chase all the Jews out of Germany,
>
> DONT THINK HE HAD MUCH CHOICE.
>

How is that?

And he could have been a real man and faced his enemies. But he took the easy
way out. It really doesn't take a lot of guts to poison your dog, your
wife, then shoot her. And then yourself.

Not much of a hero, that Austrian Schickelgruber fellow.


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On May 17, 7:10 pm, "Prince Andy" <a...@home.com> wrote:
>
> If he hadn't been crazy enough to chase all the Jews out of Germany,
>
> DONT THINK HE HAD MUCH CHOICE.
>
> Hitler blocks communism and Jews declare war on Germany

yeah, was that before or after 150,000 of them signed up for the
wehrmacht? i guess when you show us the declaration of war, we'll
know.

i suppose, if one crazy antisemite can get elected to run germany,
it's no surprise that another one can post crap on usenet to support
him.

Prince Andy

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> "z" <gzuc...@snail-mail.net> wrote in message
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>
>
>> If he hadn't been crazy enough to chase all the Jews out of Germany,
>> they would have acquired nuclear weapons, not the US. I think that
>> would have sort of changed the outcome of the war, don't you? The
>> Germans were certainly researching the field, along with their
>> rocketry. But the majority of the great nuclear physicists were Jewish.


� Jews obtained a wonderful
ascendancy in politics, business and the learned professions (in spite
of
constituting) less than one percent of the population. The banks,
including
the Reichsbank and the big private banks, were practically controlled
by
them. So were the publishing trade, the cinema, the theatres and a
large
part of the press all the normal means, in fact, by which public
opinion in
a civilized country is formed. The largest newspaper combine in the
country
with a daily circulation of four millions was a Jewish monopoly. Every
year
it became harder and harder for a gentile to gain or keep a foothold
in any
privileged occupation. At this time it was not the 'Aryans' who
exercised
racial discrimination. It was a discrimination that operated without
violence. It was exercised by a minority against a majority. There was
no
persecution, only elimination. It was the contrast between the wealth
enjoyed and lavishly displayed by aliens of cosmopolitan tastes, and
the
poverty and misery of native Germans, that has made anti-Semitism so
dangerous and ugly a force in the new Europe. Beggars on horseback are
seldom popular, least of all with those whom they have just thrown out
of
the saddle."

Goodness gracious, Sir Arthur! What made you get out of the wrong side
of
the bed?

Strangely enough, a book unexpectedly published by Princeton
University
Press in 1984, Sarah Gordon (Hitler, Germans and the "Jewish
Question")
essentially confirms what Bryant says. According to her, "Jews were
never a
large percentage of the total German population; at no time did they
exceed
1% of the population during the years 1871-1933." But she adds "Jews
were
over-represented in business, commerce, and public and private
service. They
were especially visible in private banking in Berlin, which in 1923
had 150
private Jewish banks, as opposed to only 11 private non-Jewish banks.
They
owned 41% of iron and scrap iron firms and 57% of other metal
businesses.
Jews were very active in the stock market, particularly in Berlin,
where in
1928 they comprised 80% of the leading members of the stock exchange.
By
1933, when the Nazis began eliminating Jews from prominent positions,
85% of
the brokers on the Berlin Stock exchange were dismissed because of
their
'race'. At least a quarter of full professors and instructors (at
German
universities) had Jewish origins. In 1905-6 Jewish students comprised
25% of
the law and medical students. In 1931, 50% of the 234 theatre
directors in
Germany were Jewish, and in Berlin the number was 80%. In 1929 it was
estimated that the per capita income of Jews in Berlin was twice that
of
other Berlin residents." etc etc.

Arthur Koestler confirms the Jewish over-involvement in German
publishing.
"Ullstein's was a kind of super-trust; the largest organization of its
kind
in Europe, and probably In the world. They published four daily papers
in
Berlin alone, among these the venerable Vossische Zeitung, founded in
the
eighteenth century, and the B.Z. am Mittag, an evening paper. Apart
from
these, Ullstein's published more than a dozen weekly and monthly
periodicals, ran their own news service, their own travel agency,
etc., and
were one of the leading book publishers. The firm was owned by the
brothers
Ullstein - they were five, like the original Rothschild brothers, and
like
them also, they were Jews." (The God that Failed (1950) ed. RHS
Crossman, p
31).

Edgar Mowrer, Berlin correspondent for the Chicago Daily News, wrote
an
anti-German tract called Germany Puts the Clock Back (published as a
Penguin
Special and reprinted five times between December 1937 and April
1938). He
nevertheless notes "In the all-important administration of Prussia,
any
number of strategic positions came into the hands of Hebrews. A
telephone
conversation between three Jews in Ministerial offices could result in
the
suspension of any periodical or newspaper in the state. The Jews came
in
Germany to play in politics and administration that same considerable
part
that they had previously won by open competition in business, trade,
banking, the Press, the arts, the sciences and the intellectual and
cultural
life of the country. And thereby the impression was strengthened that
Germany, a country with a mission of its own, had fallen into the
hands of
foreigners."

Mowrer says "No one who lived through the period from 1919 to 1926 is
likely
to forget the sexual promiscuity that prevailed. Throughout a town
like
Berlin, hotels and pensions made vast fortunes by letting rooms by the
hour
or day to baggageless, unregistered guests. Hundreds of cabarets,
pleasure
resorts and the like served for purposes of getting acquainted and
acquiring
the proper mood." (pp. 153-4). Bryant describes throngs of child
prostitutes
outside the doors of the great Berlin hotels and restaurants. He adds
"Most
of them (the night clubs and vice-resorts) were owned and managed by
Jews.
And it was the Jews. among the promoters of this trade who were
remembered
in after years." (pp. 144-5).

Douglas Reed, Chief Central European correspondent before WWII for the
London Times, was profoundly anti-German and anti-Hitler. But
nevertheless
he reported: "I watched the Brown Shirts going from shop to shop with
paint
pots and daubing on the window panes the word 'Jew', in dripping red
letters. The Kurf�rstendamm was to me a revelation. I knew that Jews
were
prominent in business life, but I did not know that they almost
monopolized
important branches of it. Germany had one Jew to one hundred gentiles,
said
the statistics; but the fashionable Kurf�rstendamm, according to the
dripping red legends, had about one gentile shop to ninety-nine Jewish
ones." (Reed Insanity Fair (1938) p. 152-3). In Reed's book Disgrace
Abounding of the following year he notes "In the Berlin (of pre-Hitler
years) most of the theatres were Jewish-owned or Jewish-leased, most
of the
leading film and stage actors were Jews, the plays performed were
often by
German, Austrian or Hungarian Jews and were staged by Jewish film
producers,
applauded by Jewish dramatic critics in Jewish newspapers. The Jews
are not
cleverer than the Gentiles, if by clever you mean good at their jobs.
They
ruthlessly exploit the common feeling of Jews, first to get a foothold
in a
particular trade or calling, then to squeeze the non-Jews out of it.
It is
not true that Jews are better journalists than Gentiles. They held all
the
posts on those Berlin papers because the proprietors and editors were
Jewish" (pp238-9).

The Jewish writer Edwin Black notes "For example, in Berlin alone,
about 75%
of the attorneys and nearly as many of the doctors were Jewish."
(Black, The
Transfer Agreement (1984) p58.

To cap it all, Jews were perceived as dangerous enemies of Germany
after
Samuel Untermeyer, the leader of the World Jewish Economic Federation,
declared war on Germany on August 6 1933. (Edwin Black The Transfer
Agreement: the Untold Story of the Secret Pact between the Third Reich
and
Palestine (1984) pp272-277) According to Black, "The one man who most
embodied the potential death blow to Germany was Samuel Untermeyer."
(p
369). This was the culmination of a worldwide boycott of German goods
led by
international Jewish organizations. The London Daily Express on March
24,
1933 carried the headline "Judea Declares War on Germany". The boycott
was
particularly motivated by the German imposition of the Nuremberg Laws,
which
ironically were similar in intent and content to the Jewish cultural
exclusivism practiced so visibly in present-day Israel (Hannah Arendt
Eichmann in Jerusalem p 7).

Hitler saw the tremendous danger posed to Germany by Communism. He
appreciated the desperate need to eliminate this threat, a fact that
earned
him the immense hatred and animosity of the Jewish organisations and
the
media and politicians of the west which they could influence. After
all,
according to the Jewish writer Chaim Bermant, although Jews formed
less than
five percent of Russia's population, they formed more than fifty
percent of
its revolutionaries. According to the Jewish writer Chaim Bermant in
his
book The Jews (1977, chapter 8):

"It must be added that most of the leading revolutionaries who
convulsed
Europe in the final decades of the last century and the first decades
of
this one, stemmed from prosperous Jewish families. They were perhaps
typified by the father of revolution, Karl Marx. Thus when, after the
chaos
of World War I, revolutions broke out all over Europe, Jews were
everywhere
at the helm; Trotsky, Sverdlov, Kamenev and Zinoviev in Russia, Bela
Kun in
Hungary, Kurt Eisner in Bavaria, and, most improbable of all, Rosa
Luxemburg
in Berlin.

"To many outside observers, the Russian revolution looked like a
Jewish
conspiracy, especially when it was followed by Jewish-led
revolutionary
outbreaks in much of central Europe. The leadership of the Bolshevik
Party
had a preponderance of Jews. Of the seven members of the Politburo,
the
inner cabinet of the country, four, Trotsky (Bronstein), Zinoviev
(Radomsky), Kamenev (Rosenfeld) and Sverdlov, were Jews." Other
authors
agree with this:

"There has been a tendency to circumvent or simply ignore the
significant
role of Jewish intellectuals in the German Communist Party, and
thereby
seriously neglect one of the genuine and objective reasons for
increased
anti-Semitism during and after World War 1. The prominence of Jews in
the
revolution and early Weimar Republic is indisputable, and this was a
very
serious contributing cause for increased anti-Semitism in post-war
years. It
is clear then that the stereotype of Jews as socialists and
communists. led
many Germans to distrust the Jewish minority as a whole and to brand
Jews as
enemies of the German nation." (Sarah Gordon, "Hitler, Germans and the
Jewish Question", Princeton University Press (1984) p 23).

"The second paroxysm of strong anti-Semitism came after the critical
role of
Jews in International Communism and the Russian Revolution and during
the
economic crises of the 1920s and 30s.. Anti-Semitism intensified
throughout
Europe and North America following the perceived and actual centrality
of
Jews in the Russian Revolution. Such feelings were not restricted to
Germany, or to vulgar extremists like the Nazis. All over Northern
Europe
and North America, anti-Semitism became the norm in 'nice society',
and
'nice society' included the universities." (Martin Bernal, Black
Athena vol.
1 pp. 367, 387).

"The major role Jewish leaders played in the November (Russian)
revolution
was probably more important than any other factor in confirming
(Hitler's)
anti-Semitic beliefs." (J&S Pool, Who Financed Hitler, p.164).

Hitler came to power in Germany with two main aims, the rectification
of the
unjust provisions of the Versailles Treaty, and the destruction of the
Soviet/Communist threat to Germany. Strangely enough, contrary to the
mythology created by those who had an opposing ethnic agenda, he had
no
plans or desire for a larger war of conquest. Professor AJP Taylor
showed
this in his book The Origins of the Second World War, to the
disappointment
of the professional western political establishment. Taylor says, "The
state
of German armament in 1939 gives the decisive proof that Hitler was
not
contemplating general war, and probably not intending war at all"
(p.267),
and "Even in 1939 the German army was not equipped for a prolonged
war; and
in 1940 the German land forces were inferior to the French in
everything
except leadership" (p104-5). What occurred in Europe in 1939-41 was
the
result of unforeseen weaknesses and a tipping of the balance of power,
and
Hitler was an opportunist "who took advantages whenever they offered
themselves" (Taylor). Britain and France declared war on Germany, not
the
other way around. Hitler wanted peace with Britain, as the German
generals
admitted (Basil Liddell Hart, The Other Side of the Hill 1948, Pan
Books
1983) with regard to the so-called Halt Order at Dunkirk, where Hitler
had
the opportunity to capture the entire British Army, but chose not to.
Liddell Hart, one of Britain's most respected military historians,
quotes
the German General von Blumentritt with regard to this Halt Order:

"He (Hitler) then astonished us by speaking with admiration of the
British
Empire, of the necessity for its existence, and of the civilisation
that
Britain had brought into the world. He remarked, with a shrug of the
shoulders, that the creation of its Empire had been achieved by means
that
were often harsh, but 'where there is planing, there are shavings
flying'.
He compared the British Empire with the catholic Church saying they
were
both essential elements of stability in the world. He said that all he
wanted from Britain was that she should acknowledge Germany's position
on
the Continent. The return of Germany's colonies would be desirable but
not
essential, and he would even offer to support Britain with troops if
she
should be involved in difficulties anywhere." (p 200).

According to Liddell Hart, "At the time we believed that the repulse
of the
Luftwaffe in the "Battle over Britain" had saved her. That is only
part of
the explanation, the last part of it. The original cause, which goes
much
deeper, is that Hitler did not want to conquer England. He took little
interest in the invasion preparations, and for weeks did nothing
tospur them
on; then, after a brief impulse to invade, he veered around again and
suspended the preparations. He was preparing, instead, to invade
Russia"
(p140).

David Irving in the foreword to his book The Warpath (1978) refers to
"the
discovery, that at no time did this man (Hitler) pose or intend a real
threat to Britain or the Empire."

This gives a completely different complexion, not only to the war, but
to
the successful suppression of this information during the war and
afterwards. Historians today know only too well where the boundaries
lie
within which they can paint their pictures of the war and its
aftermath, and
the consequences of venturing beyond those boundaries, irrespective of
the
evidence. Unfortunately, only too few of them have been prepared to
have the
courage to break out of this dreadful straitjacket of official and
unofficial censorship.

E-mail comment received:

I worked and studied in Berlin for three years, have an MA in
International Relations and a BA in Government with a minor in
History. I am
embarrassed to say that until I read this article, I had no idea of
the
scope and cause for the anti-Semitism in Germany before WWII. The Halt
Order
at Dunkirk was never mentioned in my studies, nor was the ownership of
the
media, banks and businesses.

Thank you for the excellent article. It certainly gives me a new
perspective. I have always questioned the actual numbers of Jewish
victims
of the concentration camps, as the numbers didn't make sense based
upon
Germany's population. Perhaps it was fear of failing or being labeled
an
anti-Semite by my history professors (all but two were Jewish) and
classmates that I refrained from demanding an honest discussion during
my
classes. I once said that the only reason Israel existed was out of
Holocaust guilt, and I was immediately labeled a terrorist
sympathizer.

I see what is now happening in Israel and I am aghast. The
parallels
to WW II are frightening. Even today, one cannot bring up this subject
without being labeled a Holocaust denier or white supremacist.

Prince Andy

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> > If he hadn't been crazy enough to chase all the Jews out of Germany,

� On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 08:00:35 -0500, "Johnny Asia"
<bardi...@mypacks.net wrote:

Winston Churchill: "You must understand that this war is not against
Hitler
or National Socialism, but against the strength of the German people,
which
is to be smashed once and for all, regardless of whether it is in the
hands
of Hitler or a Jesuit priest."

Emrys Hughes, Winston Churchill

- His Career in War and Peace, p. 145

The Origins of World War 2

The unexpected views of four key diplomats who were close to events

Just consider the following:

Joseph P. Kennedy, U.S. Ambassador to Britain during the years
immediately
preceding WW2 was the father of the famous American Kennedy dynasty.
James
Forrestal the first US Secretary of Defense (1947-1949) quotes him as
saying
"Chamberlain (the British Prime Minister) stated that America and the
world
Jews had forced England into the war." (The Forrestal Diaries ed.
Millis,
Cassell 1952, p129).

Count Jerzy Potocki, the Polish Ambassador in Washington, in a report
to the
Polish Foreign Office in January 1939, is quoted approvingly by the
highly
respected British military historian Major-General JFC Fuller.
Concerning
public opinion in America he says "Above all, propaganda here is
entirely in
Jewish hands .. when bearing public ignorance in mind, their
propaganda is
so effective that people have no real knowledge of the true state of
affairs
in Europe .. It is interesting to observe that in this carefully
thought-out
campaign .. no reference at all is made to Soviet Russia. If that
country is
mentioned, it is referred to in a friendly manner and people are given
the
impression that Soviet Russia is part of the democratic group of
countries..
Jewry was able not only to establish a dangerous centre in the New
World for
the dissemination of hatred and enmity, but it also succeeded in
dividing
the world into two warlike camps .. President Roosevelt has been given
the
power.. to create huge reserves in armaments for a future war which
the Jews
are deliberately heading for." (Fuller, JFC: The Decisive Battles of
the
Western World vol 3 pp 372-374.)

Hugh Wilson, the American Ambassador in Berlin until 1938, the year
before
the war broke out, found anti-Semitism in Germany understandable. This
was
because before the advent of the Nazis, "the stage, the press,
medicine and
law [were] crowded with Jews..among the few with money to splurge, a
high
proportion [were] Jews..the leaders of the Bolshevist movement in
Russia, a
movement desperately feared in Germany, were Jews. One could feel the
spreading resentment and hatred." (Hugh Wilson: Diplomat between the
Wars,
Longmans 1941, quoted in Leonard Mosley, Lindbergh, Hodder 1976).

Sir Nevile Henderson, British Ambassador in Berlin, 'said further that
the
hostile attitude in Great Britain was the work of Jews and enemies of
the
Nazis, which was what Hitler thought himself." (Taylor, AJP: The
Origins of
the Second World War Penguin 1965, 1987 etc p 324).

Is all of this merely attributable to antisemitism?

The economic background to the war is necessary for a fuller
understanding,
before casting judgement on the originators of these viewpoints.

At the end of the First World War, Germany was essentially tricked
[see Paul
Johnson "A History of the Modern World" (1983) p24 and H Nicholson
Peacemaking 1919 (1933) pp13-16] into paying massive reparations to
France
and other economic competitors and former belligerent countries in
terms of
the so-called Treaty of Versailles, thanks to the liberal American
President
Woodrow Wilson. Germany was declared to be solely responsible for the
war,
in spite of the fact that "Germany did not plot a European war, did
not want
one, and made genuine efforts, though too belated, to avert one."
(Professor
Sydney B Fay The Origins of the World War (vol. 2 p 552)).


"As a result of these massive enforced financial reparations, by 1923 the
situation in Germany became desperate and inflation on an astronomical
scale
became the only way out for the government. Printing presses were
engaged to
print money around the clock. In 1921 the exchange rate was 75 marks
to the
dollar. By 1924 this had become about 5 trillion marks to the dollar.
This
virtually destroyed the German middle class, reducing any bank savings
to a
virtual zero." (Koestler The God that Failed p 28)

According to Sir Arthur Bryant the British historian (Unfinished
Victory
(1940 pp. 136-144):

"It was the Jews with their international affiliations and their
hereditary
flair for finance who were best able to seize such opportunities. They
did
so with such effect that, even in November 1938, after five years of
anti-Semitic legislation and persecution, they still owned, according
to the
Times correspondent in Berlin, something like a third of the real
property
in the Reich. Most of it came into their hands during the inflation.
But to
those who had lost their all this bewildering transfer seemed a
monstrous
injustice. After prolonged sufferings they had now been deprived of
their
last possessions. They saw them pass into the hands of strangers, many
of
whom had not shared their sacrifices and who cared little or nothing
for
their national standards and traditions. The Jews obtained a wonderful

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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote

>
> All Hitler had to do to win WW2 was:
> a) Use captured Russian troops to fight Stalin, with bogus promises of a
> "Free Russia" (after the war)

That worked with the Finns, but they were more afraid of Russia than Germany.

> b) Not declare war on the USA.

That kind of sucked, but the Soviet Army was fighting a war on the Russian
Front with tanks made by General Motors well before the US got into the game.
Before that? Pitchforks and blunderbusses! No match.

Lend Lease anyone?

Prince Andy

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http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/843805.html

In the service of the Jewish state

By Shraga Elam and Dennis Whitehead


In the late 1940s, Walther (Walter) Rauff, an SS officer who was
responsible for the murder of at least 100,000 people and was wanted by the
Allies as a war criminal, was employed by the Israeli secret service.
Instead of bringing him to justice it paid him for his services and helped
him escape to South America. Documents of the U.S. Central Intelligence
Agency (CIA) that have been released over the past several years show that
the Americans were aware that Rauff's case was not exceptional.

> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/843805.html
> In the service of the Jewish state
>
> By Shraga Elam and Dennis Whitehead
>
>
> In the late 1940s, Walther (Walter) Rauff,
> an SS officer who was responsible for the
> murder of at least 100,000 people and was
> wanted by the Allies as a war criminal,
> was employed by the Israeli secret service.
>
> Instead of bringing him to justice it
> paid him for his services and helped
> him escape to South America.
>
> Documents of the U.S.
> Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)
> that have been released over the past
> several years show that the Americans
> were aware that Rauff's case was not
> exceptional.
>
> A CIA memorandum dated March 24, 1950
> describes the relations between the
> Israel agent Edmond (Ted) Cross,
> whose name is deleted on this document,
> and a Nazi named Janos Walberg:
>
> "Subject's engagement be [sic]
> the Israeli Intelligence Service
> would fit into the picture as
> revealed by talks with X with
> [Edmond (Ted) Cross a.k.a. Magen or Crowder]
> consisting in the utilization of former Nazi
> elements for observation and penetration in
> the Arab countries.
>
> The attempt to send the well-known
> former SS Colonel Walter Rauff to
> Egypt having failed,
>
> the Israeli Service with all
> probability (however this has
> not yet been confirmed) had
> engaged Subject [Walberg],
> whose sentiments and past
> would arouse no suspicions
> in Egypt that he is a
> Jewish agent."
>
> An earlier document,
> from February 1950, states that
> Cross helped Rauff obtain the
> necessary papers for immigration
> to South America,
>
> even though the attempt to
> send him to Egypt had failed.
>
> Why, though, did Israel help Rauff?
>
> This document provides a hint:
>
> "It is not improbable that Subject's
> presence in Syria was in connection
> with a mission for the Israel[i] service."
>
> Rauff was indeed in Syria,
> serving as military adviser
> to President Hosni Zaim,
> who sought a peace agreement with Irsael.
>
> Rauff was forced to leave
> after Zaim was deposed in
> a military coup.
>
> The mission Rauff was to have
> carried out in Egypt is not known,
> but his connection with Cross may
> supply more than a hint.
>
> According to research by Ruth Kimche,
> a former Mossad employee,
> Cross was sent in July 1948,
> as the War of Independence raged,
> to assassinate several key figures
> in Egypt with the help of a group
> of Jews.
>
> At the last minute the mission was called off.
>
> Cross returned to Egypt in September,
> but again the plan was not executed,
> probably because he became entangled
> in a love affair with the Egyptian
> Princess Amina Nur a-Din and had
> to leave the country.
>
> According to Kimche,
> "The whole story is very
> reminiscent of the Lavon
> Affair of the 1950s,
>
> except that fortunately for
> them the 1948 plan was not
> implemented,
>
> apparently thanks to
> the Egyptian princess."
>
> But the plan was not jettisoned, either.
>
> In 1949, as the U.S. documents show,
> Cross wanted to sent Rauff to Egypt.
>
> According to another
> document in Rauff's CIA file,
> Rauff did not reach Egypt,
> but a 1953 memorandum quotes
> the U.S. ambassador to Egypt
> as saying that a man named
> Rauff was in the country.
>
> True,
> the memorandum describes this Rauff as a Pole,
> but it also notes that he organized the
> extermination of Jews in Poland,
> making it very likely that the
> reference is to the famous
> Nazi officer.
>
> Rauff was born in 1906.
>
> He served in the German
> Navy from the age of 18.
>
> In 1937 he was dismissed for
> conduct unbecoming an officer
> due to adultery.
>
>
> A close friend and fellow former naval officer,
> Reinhard Heydrich, who was then deputy commander
> of the SS under Heinrich Himmler,
> helped get him into the Nazi organization.
>
> Initially Rauff served in
> SS headquarters in Berlin.
>
> After the conquest of Norway in 1940
> he headed the security police there
> for three months.
>
> That year he was reinstated in the Navy,
> at his request, and commanded a fleet of
> minesweepers, but in 1941 Heydrich
> summoned him back to SS headquarters.
>
> When Heydrich was appointed
> governor of occupied Czechoslovakia,
> Rauff accompanied him to Prague as
> his technical assistant.
>
> He returned to Berlin in June 1942,
> after Heydrich's assassination by
> the Czech resistance.
>
> Rauff was appointed head of
> the SS Technical Department
> and was responsible for the
> project of extermination using
> gas vans.
>
> After Jews and others were
> herded into the back of a gas van,
> the vehicle was sealed and the
> exhaust pipe introduced into the
> back.
>
> When the engine was turned
> on the fumes killed everyone
> in the back of the vehicle.
>
> Between 97,000 and 200,000 people,
> most of them Jews, were murdered
> in this way.
>
> This method of mass murder
> was too slow and cumbersome
> for the Nazis, however,
> who went on to develop the
> gas chambers using Zyklon B
> as the killing agent.
>
> From July 1942 until May 1943,
> Rauff also commanded the Einsatzkommando
> (a unit of the Einsatzgruppen,
> the mobile killing squads that
> were in charge of annihilating Jews)
> in North Africa and was responsible
> for concentrating the Jews in Tunisia.
>
> In July 1943,
> after a brief stay in Berlin,
> he was made commander of the
> Einsatzkommando in Corsica,
>
> and from September 1943 until
> the end of the war was the SS
> Kommandant in Milan.
>
> As such,
> he took part in the secret
> negotiations that led to the
> surrender of the Nazis in
> northern Italy.
>
> Rauff,
> unlike other Nazis who
> participated in the talks,
> was arrested by the Allies
> on April 30, 1945.
>
> In 1947 he escaped and was
> recruited for Syrian intelligence
> by Captain Akram Tabara,
> who gave his name as
> Dr. John Homsi.
>
> Rauff advised President Hosni Zaim
> in Syria and was arrested on the day
> of the coup against him.
>
> Rauff managed to convince his
> captors that he was only an
> adviser and had no command powers;
> he was released but ordered to
> leave the country.
>
> According to one of the
> versions in the CIA files,
> Rauff was suspected of ties
> to "subversive Communist activity,"
> as the agent of a German named Von Lipkau.
>
> After Rauff's expulsion from Syria,
> he was supposed to accompany Lipkau
> to India to disseminate Communist
> propaganda.
>
> According to one CIA report,
> the mission was aborted because
> Lipkau remained in Tel Aviv due
> to other commitments.
>
> From Damascus Rauff went to Beirut,
> and from there to Italy.
>
> With the assistance of Israeli,
> and apparently also British
> intelligence,
>
> he sailed for South
> America in December 1949.
>
> He settled in Quito, the capital of Ecuador.
>
> A 1953 report put him in Buenos Aires,
> where he probably headed an
> anti-Communist group.
>
> In 1958 Rauff moved to Chile,
> obtaining permanent residency
> status there a year later.
>
> He became a cattle and fish
> merchant and was described
> as a rancher and an industrialist.
>
> His son, also named Walter,
> was accepted to the Chilean
> naval academy and was the
> protege of Chief of Staff
> General Carlos Prats,
>
> a supporter of the socialist
> President Salvador Allende.
>
> The son denies that his
> father ever worked for Israel.
>
> On December 19, 1962,
> Rauff was arrested in Chile
> after West Germany requested
> his extradition.
>
> Chile's Supreme Court refused
> the request and released Rauff.
>
> Allende's election as president
> did not change the situation:
>
> in a friendly letter to Nazi
> hunter Simon Wiesenthal Allende
> wrote that he could not reverse
> the court's 1962 decision.
>
> In September 1973,
> Allende was killed in a military
> coup against his democratically
> elected government.
>
> A few months later,
> the French paper Le Monde
> reported that Rauff was
> appointed head of Chile's
> intelligence service;
>
> the report was denied
> by the Chilean government.
>
> Ten years later, in January 1984,
> Chile turned down an extradition
> request for Rauff from Israel's
> Justice Ministry.
>
> A month later,
> West Germany repeated
> its extradition request.
>
> Chile said the case would
> be reopened only if it were
> presented with evidence of
> new crimes.
>
> Extraditing Rauff would not
> serve any public interest in
> Chile, the court said,
>
> since he had lived in the
> country for many years and
> his behavior was always
> beyond reproach.
>
> The U.S. government got into the act,
> emphasizing to Chile its conviction
> that Nazi criminals must face trial.
>
> The Santiago government came
> under heavy international
> pressure to extradite Rauff.
>
> Both President Ronald Reagan
> and British Prime Minister
> Margaret Thatcher addressed
> the issue in 1984,
>
> but their comments did not
> impress Chilean dictator
> Augusto Pinochet.
>
> The Nazi hunter Beate Klarsfeld
> traveled to Chile to organize
> protests over the issue and was
> arrested twice for disturbing
> the peace.
>
> Then director general of Israel's
> Foreign Ministry, David Kimche,
> visited Santiago in 1984.
>
> The press reported that he
> urged his hosts to deport Rauff,
> whom he described as one of the
> major war criminals living in a
> Western country.
>
> His wife, Ruth Kimche,
> said on behalf of her
> husband that he does
> not recall this;
>
> they were in Chile on a private visit,
> she says.
>
> The sincerity of the Israeli
> efforts toward Rauff's capture
> can be gauged from the fact that
> already in 1979 Israel sold patrol
> boats to Chile and then overhauled
> Chilean war planes,
> and in 1984 was still
> assisting with their
> maintenance.
>
> Rauff died of lung cancer in May 1984.
> The statement issued by the Israeli
> embassy sounded like a sigh of relief:
>
> "The problem with Mr. Rauff
> is now solved. God has tried him."
>
> The fact that Rauff supplied
> intelligence to Israel has
> been published before,
> but for some reason the
> reports did not generate
> a public debate over the
> moral implications of Israel's
> providing protection to a major
> Nazi criminal,
>
> who was the subject of an
> international campaign by
> Nazi hunters Simon Wiesenthal
> and Beate Klarsfeld to bring
> him to trial.
>
> Similarly, the renowned U.S.
> Holocaust researcher Richard
> Breitman,
>
> who as director of historical research
> for the Nazi War Criminal Records
> Interagency Working Group reviewed
> Rauff's CIA file,
>
> chose to ignore information
> indicating that Israeli
> intelligence systematically
> employed Nazis in Arab countries.
>
> According to CIA records
> Rauff's handler was Ted Cross,
> whose Hebrew name was David Magen.
>
> Cross was recruited in 1948 for
> clandestine activity by Asher
> Ben-Natan,
>
> director of operations in the
> Foreign Ministry's Political
> Department,
>
> which served as the precursor to the Mossad.
>
> Cross was fluent in several languages
> and had served in British intelligence
> in World War II.
>
> According to an article by Gil Meltzer
> in the daily Yedioth Ahronoth from
> a year ago, Cross -
>
> who was from a wealthy
> Jewish Budapest family
> named Gross -
>
> was an international adventurer,
> a hedonist and a womanizer.
>
> To pay for his flashy lifestyle,
> he dealt in drugs.
>
> When Israel discovered that he
> had also sold his services as
> an agent to Egypt -
> for the very handsome sum
> of $20,000 -
>
> he was arrested and sentenced
> to a lengthy prison term.
>
> After his release he went into
> the restaurant business and,
> among other things, helped
> found the Wimpy's hamburger
> chain.
>
> Can the Israeli government be
> blamed for the ties between
> Cross and Rauff,
>
> or was this a private initiative
> by the double agent?
>
> The CIA, it turns out,
> did not know some important
> details about Rauff's connections
> with Israeli intelligence.
>
> In Passover of 1993,
> Shlomo Nakdimon published an
> nterview with Shalhevet Freier
> in Yedioth Ahronoth.
>
> In the late 1940s Freier was a
> branch director in the Foreign
> Ministry's Political Department,
> and in the 1970s he chaired the
> Israel Atomic Energy Commission.
>
> He has since died.
>
> In the interview he related
> how he had recruited Rauff in Italy,
> after friends in the Italian Foreign
> Ministry tipped him off about the new
> arrival.
>
> Rauff was using an alias at the time.
>
> According to Freier, then,
> it was the Political Department
> that employed Rauff;
>
> there is no mention of Cross in his interview.
>
>
Israeli stats
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/


Jews and Palestinians genetically similar.
http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/abstracts.html

War without end
http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=39590

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On May 17, 3:39 pm, john....@gmail.com wrote:
> On 17 May, 22:25, z <gzuck...@snail-mail.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 17, 4:02 pm, "Canuck57" <d...@nospam.net> wrote:
>
> > > "z" <gzuck...@snail-mail.net> wrote in message
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> > >news:41b7aa98-84d2-4342...@e23g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
> > > On May 17, 11:45 am, yp <y...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > If he hadn't been crazy enough to chase all the Jews out of Germany,
> > > > they would have acquired nuclear weapons, not the US. I think that
> > > > would have sort of changed the outcome of the war, don't you? The
> > > > Germans were certainly researching the field, along with their
> > > > rocketry. But the majority of the great nuclear physicists were
> > > > Jewish.

WARNING To People in Austria; Belgium; France; Germany;


Israel; Spain and Switzerland. You can be fined,imprisoned or both for
discussing the topics set forth in this article.

Israeli stats
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4138523842550891901#0h53m09s

http://666ismoney.com/HolocaustAds.html
I, Raquel Baranow am a Grad Student of Holocaust Denial. There are persons
with PhD's in various fields who
also deny the 6 million canard. The best evidence is forensic. Until
recently, there was never a forensic
examination of the alleged murder weapon (gas chambers). Demographic figures
are incomplete. After the fall
of East Europe to communism, many of the millions of Jews who fled Poland
into the Soviet Union or ended up
behind the Iron Curtain changed their names to assimilate, many civilians
died in the war, many died in the
concentration camps of louse-born typhus. During World War One, two million
civilians in the Soviet Union died
of typhus. Many died in Stalin's gulags.
Yad Vashem,( http://www.yadvashem.org/wps/portal/IY_HON_Welcome)a Holocaust
Documentation Center in Israel has a database of 3,000,000 alleged victims
of Nazi
extermination. But as you can see HERE
(http://666ismoney.com/YadVashem.html) (my maiden name, Friedemann), nearly
every name is listed at least
twice, some as many as five times!
http://www.yadvashem.org/lwp/workplace/IY_HON_Welcome

Yad Vashem's 3,000,000 "Holocaust victims" database lists nearly
everyone twice. Some as many at five times. Anyone, including
you can submit a "Page of Testimony".

And of course we have lists duplicated, unconfirmed, but 3m according to our
usual jewish/Zionist sources.
Put your name in, you might be missing out on reparations.
Has been improvements since this, numbers still very dicey.

Name Town District Region
Country Bday Source

Friedemann Adolf Berlin Berlin Berlin Germany
1879 list of victims from Germany
Friedemann Adolf Berlin Berlin Berlin Germany
1879 list of deportation from Berlin
Friedemann Adolf Berlin Berlin Berlin Germany
1905 list of deportation from Berlin

It is forensically impractical or impossible to exterminate millions with
louse disinfestant (hydrogen cyanide gas)
or diesel exhaust as alleged by malicious "witnesses" or tortured
confessors. There are no written orders for
extermination. Aerial reconnaissance photographs of the concentration camps
show no smoke and flames
belching from the crematoria and pyres as alleged. The photos and records
show there was not enough coke or
crematoria to cremate millions of corpses. The "witnesses" and confessors
lied about how many minutes it takes
to cremate a corpse. Diesel exhaust does not contain significant amount of
carbon monoxide to kill a human. If
the Nazis wanted to kill millions they could have driven the coal fired
train into a tunnel or quonset hut and gassed
'em with the exhaust from the locomotive or used the exhaust from the
crematoria. At Auschwitz, during a typhus
epidemic, up to 300 people died per day, hence the crematoria, shaving of
heads and requisitions for tons of
Zyklon B louse disinfestant. HCN is a very dangerous, impractical, messy
method for extermination.
http://www.vho.org/
The Holocaust Controversy A Case for open Debate
The Gas Chambers are a fraud, a tourist attraction, slander, demonizing,
impractical/impossible, malicious
atrocity propaganda spread by the communists, who hated Hitler and
perpetrated by Jews, who were always
looking for ways to get to the lands of milk and money. The Jews have
extorted billions from the US Treasury,
Germany, Swiss banks and insurance companies on account of the Holohoax
fraud. The Holohoax also makes
those who fought Hitler feel like they did something good fighting the
demon, Hitler instead of letting Hitler take
on Stalin alone.

A "liberal" person has an open mind. A bigot is irrational and obstinate.

"Before Irving there were several other deniers who began their attacks
almost immediately after the war. What she means is the bs was spotte
straight away, and this dopey bird, because she had sold her story had a
whiphand over even the population from
the concentration camps like Rassinier who did not have the right coinciding
story to support jewish exagerations and lies.

So the prosecutin started immediately after the war and the tone was set for
the simple people who came out the camps and said unbelievingly geez what
bs, but being set upon by the nedia and the likes of lipstadt and penguin
they had just come out from a heap of trouble having been in the camps, and
now had zionists and supporters jumping all over them for innocently telling
the truth.

6 m jews disappearedf, why wouldnt they, humiliated, deceived, traumatised
by loss of family, children, mothers and wives, and came out to meet their
bloody zionist traitors who claMLY SHOWED THEM THAT THEY WERE NOT GOING TO
BE PUNISHED BY ANYONE.

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> >
> > "z" <gzuc...@snail-mail.net> wrote in message
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> > On May 17, 11:45 am, yp <y...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> If he hadn't been crazy enough to chase all the Jews out of Germany,
> >> they would have acquired nuclear weapons, not the US. I think that
> >> would have sort of changed the outcome of the war, don't you? The
> >> Germans were certainly researching the field, along with their
> >> rocketry. But the majority of the great nuclear physicists were Jewish.
>
>
> � Jews obtained a wonderful
>

And, instead of quoting a bunch of stuff, please claify or defend the meaning
of such things.

My father fought in WW2 as a member of bomber command, my cousin is a
decorated fighter pilot, still alive at the age of 89.

My mother was a communications interpreter.

My father and mother's friends from high school? Many died, taking the war
to Hitler. Some on Dieppe. Well before the US was into it. But you should
know that, you're an Australian.


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On May 17, 3:39 pm, john....@gmail.com wrote:
> On 17 May, 22:25, z <gzuck...@snail-mail.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 17, 4:02 pm, "Canuck57" <d...@nospam.net> wrote:
>
> > > "z" <gzuck...@snail-mail.net> wrote in message
>
> > >news:41b7aa98-84d2-4342...@e23g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
> > > On May 17, 11:45 am, yp <y...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > If he hadn't been crazy enough to chase all the Jews out of Germany,
> > > > they would have acquired nuclear weapons, not the US. I think that
> > > > would have sort of changed the outcome of the war, don't you? The
> > > > Germans were certainly researching the field, along with their
> > > > rocketry. But the majority of the great nuclear physicists were
> > > > Jewish.

http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/ds9.htm

http://www.rense.com/general45/zzo.htm

The Zionist Jewish Role In - Causing World War II
"In 1941, a Jewish writer, Theodor N. Kaufman, wrote Germany Must Perish.
Kaufman set out a plan for the total destruction of the German population by
a very simple method: the mass sterilisation of all German men and women
between the age of puberty and sixty years."

From a pre-1993 edition of John Tyndall's Spearhead magazine

12-9-3

http://www.corax.org/revisionism/misc/encampment.html

Immediately after Japan declared war on the United States of America, the
order was issued to round up all Americans of Japanese ancestry and imprison
them in large camps. A declaration of war entitles any nation to imprison
its enemy and their sympathizers.

On March 24, 1933, the Jewish World Congress, then under the leadership of
Chaim Weizman, declared war on Germany on behalf of the Jews of the world.
The basic question arises; what were the Germans supposed to do with their
large Jewish population?

� The Jewish Agency delegation headed by Golda Meir (Meirson) ignored a
German
offer to allow Jews to emigrate to other countries for $250 a head, and the
other Jewish groups made no effort to influence the United States and the
32 other countries attending the conference to allow immigration of German
and Austrian Jews.
http://www.jews-for-allah.org/Jews-not-for-Judaism/Jews-who-helped-nazis-hitler.htm

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>
> Israeli stats
> http://www.ifamericansknew.org/
>

Who cares about their laws?

Fly a Swastikia in my face, and I will beat the shit out of you.

And I'm not Jewish.

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On 17 May, 20:48, z <gzuck...@snail-mail.net> wrote:
> On May 17, 11:45 am, yp <y...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I would say that if he had been satisfied with the annexations of
> > Austria and Czechoslovakia, he would still be remembered as a great
> > hero for Germany. His big mistake was to attack Poland in 1939 and
> > thereby start a world war by involving the other powers, namely Great
> > Britain, France and so on.
>
> If he hadn't been crazy enough to chase all the Jews out of Germany,

http://americandefenseleague.com/whyhitlr.htm Why Hitler Came to Power:
One Rabbi's Explanation - By Rabbi Dr. Manfred Reifer - We played with the
most holy possessions of the people and at times made fun of all that was
sacred to the nation.

http://www.heretical.com/mkilliam/wwii.html

That second war was later made certain, not by the intentions of Hitler but
by the determination of his eternal enemies to destroy the new Germany that
he had created.

By the Treaty of Versailles on 28 June 1919 and the Treaty of St. Germain on
20 September of the same year, the German people were thoroughly humiliated.
The British Prime Minister, Lloyd George, wrote:

'The international bankers swept statesmen, politicians, journalists and
jurists all to one side and issued their orders with the imperiousness of
absolute monarchs.'

However, the Four Nations Pact was not to be. The Jews put an end to this,
for on 7 November 1938, a few weeks after the Munich Agreement and shortly
before the journey to Paris of the German Foreign Minister, Von Ribbentrop,
the Polish Jew, Herschel Feibel Grynszpan murdered the German Third
Secretary of State, Ernst von Rath, in the German Embassy in Paris. The five
bullets fired were the logical result of the Jews' declaration of war on
Germany of March 1933 and put an end to the effort being made to explain and
extend the importance of the Munich Agreement and the revision of the Treaty
of Versailles.

This assassination provoked anti-Jewish riots in Germany, with the burning
of synagogues and the looting and burning of Jewish shops. The anti-Jewish
riots inflamed public opinion in Great Britain and the USA against
Chamberlain's efforts to relieve Anglo-German tension. In the United States
Germans were assaulted and persecuted. The Jews began leaving Germany.

The Paris magazine L'Ami du Peuple wrote about them:

'These people fled from Germany because they attempted to set up a rule of
fire and blood and to let loose the horrors of civil war and universal
chaos.'

The American Secretary of State, James Forrestal, who later died in
mysterious circumstances, wrote in his Forrestal Diaries (Cassel and Co.,
London 1952):

'Have played golf with Joe Kennedy [US Ambassador in Britain, father of
President John Kennedy]. According to him, Chamberlain declared that Zionism
and world Jewry have obliged England to enter the war.'

The Jew, Schlomo Asch, in a pep talk to French troops in the line in Le
Nouvelles Litteraires (10 February 1940) wrote:

'This is our war and you are fighting it for us. Even if we Jews are not
bodily in the trenches we are nevertheless morally with you.'

On 8 October 1942 Sentinel magazine stated unequivocally:

'The Second World War is being fought for the defence and fundamentals of
Judaism.'

http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=3&ar=201

NEW YORK, Aug. 29 (JTA) �?" Since 1996, Jewish groups and their lawyers have
gone to the mat with the likes of the Germans, the Swiss and the French,
extracting $9 billion in restitution for the evil wrought in Europe by
Naziforces and their collaborators.

http://www.geocities.com/truth4ever123/41.htm

In the magazine Kefonium ;Jerusalem no 14 Feb 1982 page 49-59
Iraq that country which is rich with its petrol resources and have a lot of
internal struggles is
located in the frontline with Israel and its decomposition is critical for
Israel may more than
defeating Syria as Iraq resembles on short range the biggest threat for
Israel in the area .

No Documentary Evidence

Many thousands of secret German documents dealing with Auschwitz were
confiscated after the war by the Allies. Not a single one refers to a
policy or program of extermination. In fact, the extermination story cannot
be reconciled with the documentary evidence.
Many Jewish Inmates Unable to Work

It is often claimed that all Jews at Auschwitz who were unable to work were
immediately killed. Jews who were too old, young, sick, or weak were
supposedly gassed on arrival, and only those who could be worked to death
were temporarily kept alive.

But the evidence shows that, in fact, a very high percentage of the Jewish
inmates were not able to work, and were nevertheless not killed. For
example, an internal German telex message dated Sept. 4, 1943, from the
chief of the Labor Allocation department of the SS Economic and
Administrative Main Office (WVHA), reported that of 25,000 Jewish inmates
in Auschwitz, only 3,581 were able to work, and that all of the remaining
Jewish inmates -- some 21,500, or about 86 percent -- were unable to work.
[9]

This is also confirmed in a secret report dated April 5, 1944, on "security
measures in Auschwitz" by Oswald Pohl, head of the SS concentration camp
system, to SS chief Heinrich Himmler. Pohl reported that there was a total
of 67,000 inmates in the entire Auschwitz camp complex, of whom 18,000 were
hospitalized or disabled. In the Auschwitz II camp (Birkenau), supposedly
the main extermination center, there were 36,000 inmates, mostly female, of
whom "approximately 15,000 are unable to work." [10]

These two documents simply cannot be reconciled with the Auschwitz
extermination story.

The evidence shows that Auschwitz-Birkenau was established primarily as a
camp for Jews who were not able to work, including the sick and elderly, as
well as for those who were temporarily awaiting assignment to other camps.
That's the considered view of Dr. Arthur Butz of Northwestern University,
who also says that this was the reason for the unusually high death rate
there. [11]

Princeton University history professor Arno Mayer, who is Jewish,
acknowledges in his 1989 book about the "final solution" that more Jews
perished at Auschwitz as a result of typhus and other "natural" causes than
were executed. [12]
Anne Frank

Perhaps the best known Auschwitz inmate was Anne Frank, who is known around
the world for her famous diary. But few people know that thousands of Jews,
including Anne and her father, Otto Frank, "survived" Auschwitz.

The 15-year-old girl and her father were deported from the Netherlands to
Auschwitz in September 1944. Several weeks later, in the face of the
advancing Soviet army, Anne was evacuated along with many other Jews to the
Bergen-Belsen camp, where she died of typhus in March 1945.

Her father came down with typhus in Auschwitz and was sent to the camp
hospital to recover. He was one of thousands of sick and feeble Jews who
were left behind when the Germans abandoned the camp in January 1945,
shortly before it was overrun by the Soviets. He died in Switzerland in
1980.

If the German policy had been to kill Anne Frank and her father, they would
not have survived Auschwitz. Their fate, tragic though it was, cannot be
reconciled with the extermination story.
Allied Propaganda

The Auschwitz gassing story is based in large part on the hearsay statements
of former Jewish inmates who did not personally see any evidence of
extermination. Their beliefs are understandable, because rumors about
gassings at Auschwitz were widespread.

Allied planes dropped large numbers of leaflets, written in Polish and
German, on Auschwitz and the surrounding areas which claimed that people
were being gassed in the camp. The Auschwitz gassing story, which was an
important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort, was also broadcast
to Europe by Allied radio stations. [13]
Survivor Testimony

Former inmates have confirmed that they saw no evidence of extermination at
Auschwitz.

An Austrian woman, Maria Vanherwaarden, testified about her camp experiences
in a Toronto District Court in March 1988. She was interned in
Auschwitz-Birkenau in 1942 for having sexual relations with a Polish forced
laborer. On the train trip to the camp, a Gypsy woman told her and the
others that they would all be gassed at Auschwitz.

Upon arrival, Maria and the other women were ordered to undress and go into
a large concrete room without windows to take a shower. The terrified women
were sure that they were about to die. But then, instead of gas, water came
out of the shower heads.

Auschwitz was no vacation center, Maria confirmed. She witnessed the death
of many fellow inmates by disease, particularly typhus, and quite a few
committed suicide. But she saw no evidence at all of mass killings,
gassings, or of any extermination program. [14]

A Jewish woman named Marika Frank arrived at Auschwitz-Birkenau from Hungary
in July 1944, when 25,000 Jews were supposedly gassed and cremated daily.
She likewise testified after the war that she heard and saw nothing of "gas
chambers" during the time she was interned there. She heard the gassing
stories only later. [15]
Inmates Released

Prince Andy

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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21878.htm

Israeli warlord vows face-off with Iran:

http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=84344&sectionid=351020104


Keep in mind that the 'A Clean Break' (war for Israel) agenda was
written for Netanyahu (access the 'A Clean Break' link at the upper
right of http://NEOCONZIONISTTHREAT.COM).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62haUNwYIRk

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/holohoax.htm

A look at these healthy happy jews will make you wonder just a little more
about the hardship claims.

http://globalfire.tv/nj/03en/letters/2003oct_nbr01.htm

This is a contribution to your inquiry about the label: "holocaust-denial".
First of all there was NO holocaust, other than those taking place in every
country that is at war.

The incarceration of "enemies of the state" is a world-wide practice. The
primary question here is; what constitutes a holocaust? Camps, depravation,
imprisonment, harsh treatment, executions, hunger etc.?

Those conditions exist in all camps, in all nations, under all regimes.
Remember Andersonville, Manzanar, the Gulags, the British camps in Africa,
the American death-camps in Germany, they all constitute a "holocaust" if
viewed through the lenses of Jewish "holocaust-sufferers".

Read the Red Cross reports. Go to the Red Cross museum, headquarters
in your city and pick up the records. Anyway theres a few independent
witnesses.
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndstats.html

There are other indications as well that the theory of mass destruction of
the Hungarian Jews is incorrect: the witnesses to this destruction
unanimously claim that during these alleged mass exterminations the limited
capacity of the Birkenau crematoria necessitated the excavation of enormous
pits, in which the bodies were burned. Dark clouds of smoke, they claim,
darkened the sky over Birkenau during this procedure. Fortunately (or
unfortunately, depending on one�s perspective) the aerial reconnaissance
photographs taken by the Allies during this time prove that in the Birkenau
camp, which was not obscured by clouds of smoke when the pictures were
taken, there were neither open fires, nor giant pits, nor smoke activity on
any scale large or small, nor piles of dead bodies, nor great supplies of
firewood, nor anything else of the sort.[45] The Polish Historical Society
concludes that in light of this evidence the number of victims in Auschwitz
must be reduced by another 400,000 plus 74,000 (Polish Jews from the
liquidated ghetto Lodz, who are also claimed to have been gassed around this
time), leaving some 500,000 victims for Auschwitz.[46]

Even allegedly probative documents of the Nuremberg Tribunal cannot change
this, since such documents are by no means always genuine, or true, and only
ever provide evidence for deportations which are not disputed here in the
first place - they never document an extermination. The reader is reminded
of the example of Dachau, the concentration camp where the IMT alleged that
hundreds of thousands were gassed, a claim which in the end turned out to be
nothing more substantial than an atrocity propaganda lie.[47] We shall come
across another case of dubious IMT documents in the discussion of the Soviet
Union.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/print.asp?ID=2735

http://www.rense.com/general69/factua.htm

Rassinier seems to wrap it up.
http://www.ihr.org/books/rassinier/debunking1-0.html

http://www.wakeupfro
myourslumber.com/node/5406

Jews will once again subject Robert Faurisson (aged 78) to a trial for
�holocaust denial.� The French judicial police served Faurisson a summons
demanding that he appear in court this Thursday (24 Jan 08). Faurisson is
charged with attending the December 11, 2006 conference in Iran titled,
�Review of the Holocaust: Global Vision.�

This will be the fifteenth time that Jews have hauled Faurisson into court.
Jews have already frozen his bank account, while court officials have
repeatedly visited his home, threatening him and his wife with seizure of
their furniture to pay for financial "damages" caused by his �heretical�
remarks.

Faurisson is arguably the most thorough of all examiners of the holo-hoax.
Ernst Z�ndel, Gemar Rudolph and others are in prison, but Jews consider
Faurisson enemy #1, because of the meticulousness of his work. And since the
holo-hoax cannot be defended with reason and science, Jews use oppressive
laws and prison sentences to protect it from rational criticism. In many
cases they use extreme violence, as you will see later in this post.
Fortunately the Goyim are too cowardly to resist Jewish terrorism.

At the Iran conference, Faurisson said that for the past 32 years, he has
been waiting for someone to show him one of the chambers where Jews where
supposedly gassed during the holo-hoax.

In July 2006, a Paris court convicted Faurisson of �holocaust denial�
because of remarks made by Faurisson on the Sahar 1 Iranian satellite
channel in February 2005. Faurisson was given a three-month suspended prison
term, and was also fined 7,500 euros.

The former Prime Minister of France, Dominique de Villepin, said, "We [the
French people] are in a democracy. Everyone has the right to express his
views freely.�

Therefore all defamatory remarks against Muslims or Islam are protected as
�free speech.�

However, any questioning of the holo-hoax or Jewish atrocities is illegal.

The Gayssot Act of 1990 � initiated by President Jaques Chirac -- prohibits
any questioning or examination of the holo-hoax.

Faurisson�s specialty is examining documents and manuscripts. In 1991 he was
fired from his university post for questioning the holo-hoax. He was charged
with violating the Gayssot Act, (Loi Gayssot) passed on 13 July 1990 that
makes it illegal in France to question the holo-hoax. The law was proposed
by the communist deputy Jean-Claude Gayssot, and is one of several European
laws that make it illegal to examine the holo-hoax.

Its first article states that "any discrimination founded on the membership
or non-membership to an ethnic group, a nation, a race or a religion is
prohibited."

Discrimination against Muslims, of course, is permissible.

When Faurisson was terminated at the university, he appealed to the ICCPRHRC
(International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and Human Rights
Committee). This is a UN group that polices literature for any questioning
of the holo-hoax. (It is not to be confused with the more high-profile
Commission on Human Rights, a Charter-based mechanism, or its replacement,
the Human Rights Council, which of course is controlled by Jews.)

http://www.von-waldenburg.com/reviews.html

A person who lived in Germany during the war.

http://www.icrc.org/Web/Eng/siteeng0.nsf/html/57JNX3

Frederich Born leader of the ICRC in Hungary and honored by the jews.

Of course that strengthens the credibility of the Yad Vashem and who can
say anything about a man being honored and who probably deserved the hnor.

Most of their purchases of
relief food were made in Rumania, Hungary and Slovakia.
Not only did large numbers of the three million or so European Jews
avoid internment altogether, but the emigration of Jews continued
throughout the war, generally by way of Hungary, Rumania and Turkey.

But they were living in the best part of Europe as far as food was
concerned. And the terrible reflects the difficulties of keeping people in
camps and all the terribles do not describe genocide, or even conditions as
bad as Israel today.

And the fact that some leaders might have stretched the truth about what
they thought Hitler said or thought about killing of jews, there is no proof
of genocide as a policy and no treatment as there is in Israel today. Of
attacking people with planes, helicopters, and tanks. As happens in Israel
on a daily basis.

The Toben case today:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/oct/17/germany-australia

"Johnny Asia" <bardi...@mypacks.net> wrote in message
news:o_mdnWiesd-_YMrU...@earthlink.com...

>
> Among the fooled, at least the partially fooled, was Berenbaum, former
> director of the United States Holocaust Research Institute at the U.S.
> Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington. Berenbaum had been asked to read
> the manuscript by film producer Harris Salomon, who still plans an
> adaptation of the book.
>
> Berenbaum's tentative support - "Crazier things have happened," he told
> The
> Associated Press last fall - was cited by the publisher as it initially
> defended the book. Berenbaum now says he saw factual errors, including
> Rosenblat's description of Theresienstadt, the camp from which he was
> eventually liberated, but didn't think of challenging the love story.
>
> "There's a limit to what I can verify, because I was not there," he says.
> "I
> can verify the general historical narrative, but in my research I rely
> upon
> the survivors to present the specifics of their existence with integrity.
> When they don't, they destroy so much and they ruin so much, and that's
> terrible."
>
> "I was burned," he added. "And I have to read books more skeptically
> because
> I was burned."
>
>
>
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081228/ap_on_en_ot/books_holocaust_memoir_10
>
>
> Anger, sadness over fabricated Holocaust story
>
>
> By HILLEL ITALIE, AP National Writer - Sun Dec 28, 1:09 pm ET
>
>
> NEW YORK - It's the latest story that touched, and betrayed, the world.
>
> "Herman Rosenblat and his wife are the most gentle, loving, beautiful
> people," literary agent Andrea Hurst said Sunday, anguishing over why she,
> and so many others, were taken by Rosenblat's story of love born on
> opposite
> sides of a barbed-wire fence at a concentration camp.
>
> "I question why I never questioned it. I believed it; it was an
> incredible,
> hope-filled story."
>
> On Saturday, Berkley Books canceled Rosenblat's memoir, "Angel at the
> Fence." Rosenblat acknowledged that he and his wife did not meet, as they
> had said for years, at a sub-camp of Buchenwald, where she allegedly
> sneaked
> him apples and bread. The book was supposed to come out in February.
>
> Rosenblat, 79, has been married to the former Roma Radzicky for 50 years,
> since meeting her on a blind date in New York. In a statement issued
> Saturday through his agent, he described himself as an advocate of love
> and
> tolerance who falsified his past to better spread his message.
>
> "I wanted to bring happiness to people," said Rosenblat, who now lives in
> the Miami area. "I brought hope to a lot of people. My motivation was to
> make good in this world."
>
> Rosenblat's believers included not only his agent and his publisher, but
> Oprah Winfrey, film producers, journalists, family members and strangers
> who
> ignored, or didn't know about, the warnings from scholars that his story
> didn't make sense.
>
> Other Holocaust memoirists have devised greater fantasies. Misha
> Defonseca,
> author of "Misha: A Memoire of the Holocaust Years," pretended she was a
> Jewish girl who lived with wolves during the war, when she was actually a
> non-Jew who lived, without wolves, in Belgium.
>
> Historical records prove Rosenblat was indeed at Buchenwald and other
> camps.
>
> "How sad that he felt he had to embellish a life of surviving the
> Holocaust
> and of being married for half a century," said Holocaust scholar Michael
> Berenbaum.
>
> The damage is broad. Publishing, the most trusting of industries, has
> again
> been burned by a memoir that fact-checking might have prevented. Berkley
> is
> an imprint of Penguin Group (USA), which in March pulled Margaret B.
> Jones'
> "Love and Consequences" after the author acknowledged she had invented her
> story of gang life in Los Angeles. Winfrey fell, as she did with James
> Frey,
> for a narrative of suffering and redemption better suited for television
> than for history.
>
> The damage is deep. Scholars and other skeptics as well as fellow
> survivors
> fear that Rosenblat's fabrications will only encourage doubts about the
> Holocaust.
>
> "I am very worried because many of us speak to thousands of student each
> year," says Sidney Finkel, a longtime friend of Rosenblat's and a fellow
> survivor. "We go before audiences. We tell them a story and now some
> people
> will question what I experienced."
>
>
>
>
> --
> +
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>

And at the bottom see the person who profited from lies and is behind the
false story that is used to put our truth seeking teachers in jail.

These teachers are no more than the plumber Joe's of the acadenic world
being illtreated because of part of out population who want to support the
lies because of the huge incomes derived from these lies.

These sites below show up the huge lies and why.

Libraries, brothels, swimming??IN AUSWICHTZ???

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4138523842550891901#0h53m09s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dyBMuSYLGk

Next we have the German records where no mention of killing of jews has been
found.In fact the documents like this month disprove the huge distortions
and exaggerations made by the jewish contingent.

And as in the country today the numbers actually involved considering that
millions fought with and served Germany against what was jews against their
country of residence.

http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/history/zionism/news.php?q=1196891581

http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=888061

http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/1966

http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/130513

http://www.icrc.org/web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/htmlall/section_second_world_war?OpenDocumenthttp://www.icrc.org/web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/html/68zeb2?opendocumenthttp://www.icrc.org/web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/html/6ayg86Report of the International Committee of the Red Cross on its Activitiesduring the Second World War, Geneva, 1948.You will find thousands of jewish funded museums amd so calleduniversitiesthat supposedly have evidence , also the reports themselves havebeen contaminated by jewish academics and supporters continual injectionsthat the Red Cross did not see.The Red Cross is not political or historical so keptrecords of it�s actions,and if astrocities occurred they recorded them just as they do today.And the only evidence offered by holocaust supporters is the usual suspectexaggerations from reparation seeking jews castigated by honest honest jewsfor this horrible use of what suffering there was during this period.Despite the suffering of the jews it was not as much as Europeans as a wholesuffered with over 5 million imprisoned, a much hight number than the realnumber of jews . And free for anyone to investigate without fear ofimprisonment.Not to mention the disrupted lives of Europeans when their homes and townsbecame the battlefields of WW2.To emphasize the determined efforts of the jews to stay in the limelight bypushing all other victims to the back while they bask in the limelight , ina lot of cases undeservedly so. http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Crosses/Crosses.htmlAs an example the Polish who is the one country who had more (3 million �figures you can examine without fear of harassment) wanted to put up crossesfor victims , who were in there mostly for helping and supporting jews inPoland. Were castigated and criticised by jewish groups claiming theremembrances should only be for their victims, and not be over shadowed byChristian victims.http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Crosses/Crosses.htmlhttp://www.holocaustforgotten.com/poland.htmhttp://www.holocaustforgotten.com/All that comes out clearly, whatever the reason that the jews were held incamps, there was great co operation by the jews themselves, this forced themto find excuses for their behavior, and easiest was lying about thecruelties of the Germans that caused this co operation. Rather falls downwhen there is no gassing and if camps were simply holding camps.As their own leaders said.The Jewish ghetto police always had the option, she said, of "throwing offtheir uniforms and joining the rest of us" - a point that Yitzak Zuckerman,a leader of the Warsaw ghetto uprising, made in his memoir.http://www.theexperiment.org/articles.php?news_id=2139There is not a shred of evidence, for example, that "a gas chamber was in the process of being built at Dachau, but it was never completed." (See "The Second Leuchter Report" by American gas chamber expert Fred Leuchter in The Journal of Historical Review, Fall 1990.) There is likewise no proof that "mentally and physically handicapped people were killed" by gas at any of the four "institutions" Wiesenthal mentions. This US Army photo was taken at Dachau on April 30, 1945, one day after the camp's capture. It shows a GI standing in front of a door marked with a skull and crossbones and the words "Caution! Gas! Life danger! Do not open!" According to the official caption, "these chambers were used by Nazi guards for killing prisoners of the infamous Dachau concentration camp." In fact, this is a small disinfection gas chamber used for delousing clothes. It was never used to kill people. For several decades, this photo has been widely reproduced to help keep alive the notorious Dachau "gas chamber" myth. (US Army photo SC 206194.)Besides the condensation below you can exam the various reviews of the REDCROSS covering WW2 during the time of the jews claimed astrocities commitedby the Germans.Inmates ReleasedMore than 200,000 prisoners were transferred from Auschwitz to other camps,and about 8,000 were in the camp when it was liberated by Soviet forces. Inaddition, about 1,500 prisoners who had served their sentences werereleased, and returned to their home countries. [16] If Auschwitz hadactually been a top secret extermination center, would the Germans havereleased inmates who "knew" what was happening there?Himmler Orders Death Rate Reducedhttp://www.ihr.org/books/hoggan/21.htmlhttp://www.outlawjournalism.com/news/?p=5803http://www.rense.com/general69/factua.htmhttp://www.777healthproducts.com/07g.htmhttp://www.intellnet.org/resources/resistance/holocaust/04.htm http://www.icrc.ch/Web/Eng/siteeng0.nsf/iwpList418/359CC4EF8A1E5C72C1256B66005B2171A little hard to obtain a report that is not heavily influenced by jewishpressure to includE holocaust AS THEY WOULD LIKE ALL TO SEE IT..So you will notice that holocaust is not denied just a quiet it was badetc.THE JEWS AND THE CONCENTRATION CAMPS:A FACTUAL APPRAISAL BY THE RED CROSS.There is one survey of the Jewish question in Europe during World WarTwo and the conditions of Germany's concentration camps which isalmost unique in its honesty and objectivity, the three-volume Reportof the International Committee of the Red Cross on its Activitiesduring the Second World War, Geneva, 1948.This comprehensive account from an entirely neutral sourceincorporated and expanded the findings of two previous works:Documents sur l'activit� du CICR en faveur des civils d�tenus dans lescamps de concentration en Allemagne 1939-1945 (Geneva, 1946), andInter Arma Caritas: the Work of the ICRC during the Second World War(Geneva, 1947). The team of authors, headed by Fr�d�ric Siordet,explained in the opening pages of the Report that their object, in thetradition of the Red Cross, had been strict political neutrality, andherein lies its great value.The ICRC successfully applied the 1929 Geneva military convention inorder to gain access to civilian internees held in Central and WesternEurope by the Germany authorities. By contrast, the ICRC was unable togain any access to the Soviet Union, which had failed to ratify theConvention. The millions of civilian and military internees held inthe USSR, whose conditions were known to be by far the worst, werecompletely cut off from any international contact or supervision.The Red Cross Report is of value in that it first clarifies thelegitimate circumstances under which Jews were detained inconcentration camps, i.e. as enemy aliens. In describing the twocategories of civilian internees, the Report distinguishes the secondtype as "Civilians deported on administrative grounds (in German,"Schutzh�ftlinge"), who were arrested for political or racial motivesbecause their presence was considered a danger to the State or theoccupation forces" (Vol. 111, p. 73). These persons, it continues,"were placed on the same footing as persons arrested or imprisonedunder common law for security reasons." (P.74).The Report admits that the Germans were at first reluctant to permitsupervision by the Red Cross of people detained on grounds relating tosecurity, but by the latter part of 1942, the ICRC obtained importantconcessions from Germany. They were permitted to distribute foodparcels to major concentration camps in Germany from August 1942, and"from February 1943 onwards this concession was extended to all othercamps and prisons" (Vol. 111, p. 78). The ICRC soon establishedcontact with camp commandants and launched a food relief programmewhich continued to function until the last months of 1945, letters ofthanks for which came pouring in from Jewish internees.Red Cross Recipients Were JewsThe Report states that "As many as 9,000 parcels were packed daily.From the autumn of 1943 until May 1945, about 1,112,000 parcels with atotal weight of 4,500 tons were sent off to the concentration camps"(Vol. III, p. 80). In addition to food, these contained clothing andpharmaceutical supplies. "Parcels were sent to Dachau, Buchenwald,Sangerhausen, Sachsenhausen, Oranienburg, Flossenburg,Landsberg-am-Lech, Fl�ha, Ravensbr�ck, Hamburg-Neuengamme, Mauthausen,Theresienstadt, Auschwitz, Bergen-Belsen, to camps near Vienna and inCentral and Southern Germany. The principal recipients were Belgians,Dutch, French, Greeks, Italians, Norwegians, Poles and stateless Jews"(Vol. III, p. 83).In the course of the war, "The Committee was in a position to transferand distribute in the form of relief supplies over twenty millionSwiss francs collected by Jewish welfare organisations throughout theworld, in particular by the American Joint Distribution Committee ofNew York" (Vol. I, p. 644). This latter organisation was permitted bythe German Government to maintain offices in Berlin until the Americanentry into the war. The ICRC complained that obstruction of their vastrelief operation for Jewish internees came not from the Germans butfrom the tight Allied blockade of Europe. Most of their purchases ofrelief food were made in Rumania, Hungary and Slovakia.The ICRC had special praise for the liberal conditions which prevailedat Theresienstadt up to the time of their last visits there in April1945. This camp, "where there were about 40,000 Jews deported fromvarious countries was a relatively privileged ghetto" (Vol. III, p.75). According to the Report, "'The Committee's delegates were able tovisit the camp at Theresienstadt (Terezin) which was used exclusivelyfor Jews and was governed by special conditions. From informationgathered by the Committee, this camp had been started as an experimentby certain leaders of the Reich ... These men wished to give the Jewsthe means of setting up a communal life in a town under their ownadministration and possessing almost complete autonomy. . . twodelegates were able to visit the camp on April 6th, 1945. Theyconfirmed the favourable impression gained on the first visit" (Vol.I, p . 642).The ICRC also had praise for the regime of Ion Antonescu of FascistRumania where the Committee was able to extend special relief to183,000 Rumanian Jews until the time of the Soviet occupation. The aidthen ceased, and the ICRC complained bitterly that it never succeeded"in sending anything whatsoever to Russia" (Vol. II, p. 62). The samesituation applied to many of the German camps after their "liberation"by the Russians. The ICRC received a voluminous flow of mail fromAuschwitz until the period of the Soviet occupation, when many of theinternees were evacuated westward. But the efforts of the Red Cross tosend relief to internees remaining at Auschwitz under Soviet controlwere futile. However, food parcels continued to be sent to formerAuschwitz inmates transferred west to such camps as Buchenwald andOranienburg.No Evidence Of GenocideOne of the most important aspects of the Red Cross Report is that itclarifies the true cause of those deaths that undoubtedly occurred inthe camps toward the end of the war. Says the Report: "In the chaoticcondition of Germany after the invasion during the final months of thewar, the camps received no food supplies at all and starvation claimedan increasing number of victims. Itself alarmed by this situation, theGerman Government at last informed the ICRC on February 1st, 1945 ...In March 1945, discussions between the President of the ICRC andGeneral of the S.S. Kaltenbrunner gave even more decisive results.Relief could henceforth be distributed by the ICRC, and one delegatewas authorised to stay in each camp ..." (Vol. III, p. 83).Clearly, the German authorities were at pains to relieve the diresituation as far as they were able. The Red Cross are quite explicitin stating that food supplies ceased at this time due to the Alliedbombing of German transportation, and in the interests of internedJews they had protested on March 15th, 1944 against "the barbarousaerial warfare of the Allies" (Inter Arma Caritas, p. 78). By October2nd, 1944, the ICRC warned the German Foreign Office of the impendingcollapse of the German transportation system, declaring thatstarvation conditions for people throughout Germany were becominginevitable.In dealing with this comprehensive, three-volume Report, it isimportant to stress that the delegates of the International Red Crossfound no evidence whatever at the camps in Axis occupied Europe of adeliberate policy to exterminate the Jews. In all its 1,600 pages theReport does not even mention such a thing as a gas chamber. It admitsthat Jews, like many other wartime nationalities, suffered rigours andprivations, but its complete silence on the subject of plannedextermination is ample refutation of the Six Million legend. Like theVatican representatives with whom they worked, the Red Cross founditself unable to indulge in the irresponsible charges of genocidewhich had become the order of the day. So far as the genuine mortalityrate is concerned, the Report points out that most of the Jewishdoctors from the camps were being used to combat typhus on the easternfront, so that they were unavailable when the typhus epidemics of 1945broke out in the camps (Vol. I, p. 204 ff) - Incidentally, it isfrequently claimed that mass executions were carried out in gaschambers cunningly disguised as shower facilities. Again the Reportmakes nonsense of this allegation. "Not only the washing places, butinstallations for baths, showers and laundry were inspected by thedelegates. They had often to take action to have fixtures made lessprimitive, and to get them repaired or enlarged" (Vol. III, p. 594).Not All Were InternedVolume III of the Red Cross Report, Chapter 3 (I. Jewish CivilianPopulation) deals with the "aid given to the Jewish section of thefree population," and this chapter makes it quite plain that by nomeans all of the European Jews were placed in internment camps, butremained, subject to certain restrictions, as part of the freecivilian population. This conflicts directly with the "thoroughness"of the supposed "extermination programme", and with the claim in theforged H�ss memoirs that Eichmann was obsessed with seizing "everysingle Jew he could lay his hands on."In Slovakia, for example, where Eichmann's assistant Dieter Wislicenywas in charge, the Report states that "A large proportion of theJewish minority had permission to stay in the country, and at certainperiods Slovakia was looked upon as a comparative haven of refuge forJews, especially for those coming from Poland. Those who remained inSlovakia seem to have been in comparative safety until the end ofAugust 1944, when a rising against the German forces took place. Whileit is true that the law of May 15th, 1942 had brought about theinternment of several thousand Jews, these people were held in campswhere the conditions of food and lodging were tolerable, and where theinternees were allowed to do paid work on terms almost equal to thoseof the free labour market" (Vol. I, p. 646).Not only did large numbers of the three million or so European Jewsavoid internment altogether, but the emigration of Jews continuedthroughout the war, generally by way of Hungary, Rumania and Turkey.Ironically, post-war Jewish emigration from German-occupiedterritories was also facilitated by the Reich, as in the case of thePolish Jews who had escaped to France before its occupation. "The Jewsfrom Poland who, whilst in France, had obtained entrance permits tothe United States were held to be American citizens by the Germanoccupying authorities, who further agreed to recognize the validity ofabout three thousand passports issued to Jews by the consulates ofSouth American countries" (Vol. I, p. 645).As future U.S. citizens, these Jews were held at the Vittel camp insouthern France for American aliens. The emigration of European Jewsfrom Hungary in particular proceeded during the war unhindered by theGerman authorities. "Until March 1944," says the. Red Cross Report,"Jews who had the privilege of visas for Palestine were free to leaveHungary" (Vol. I, p. 648). Even after the replacement of the HorthyGovernment in 1944 (following its attempted armistice with the SovietUnion) with a government more dependent on German authority, theemigration of Jews continued.The Committee secured the pledges of both Britain and the UnitedStates "to give support by every means to the emigration of Jews fromHungary," and from the U.S. Government the ICRC received a messagestating that "The Government of the United States ... now specificallyrepeats its assurance that arrangements will be made by it for thecare of all Jews who in the present circumstances are allowed toleave" (Vol. I, p . 649).Biedermann agreed that in the nineteen instances that "Did Six MillionReally Die?" quoted from the Report of the International Committee ofthe Red Cross on its Activities during the Second World War and InterArma Caritas (this includes the above material), it did so accurately.A quote from Charles Biedermann (a delegate of the InternationalCommittee of the Red Cross and Director of the Red Cross'International Tracing Service) under oath at the Z�ndel Trial(February 9, 10, 11 and 12, 1988).http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=2735http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/14645862&referer=brief_results ACTUALLY -- AND CONTRARY TO HIS HIGHLY FLATTERING PUBLIC IMAGE -- THE RENOWNED "NAZI HUNTER" HAS A WELL-DOCUMENTED BUT LITTLE-KNOWN RECORD OF DECEIT, MENDACITY AND PREVARICATION. SOME HIGHLIGHTS: Wiesenthal repeatedly lied about his alleged role in locating Adolf Eichmann, was consistently wrong about Josef Mengele, and falsely accused Polish-American Frank Walus of having murdered Jews in Poland as a Gestapo official. Wiesenthal has absurdly charged that the Germans exterminated Jews in "electrocution chambers," and that they manufactured bars of soap from the bodies of murdered Jews. His deception about his own wartime activities prompted Austrian Chancellor Bruno Kreisky (himself of Jewish ancestry) to accuse the "Nazi hunter" of having collaborated with his wartime oppressors. (For details about Wiesenthal's record, see: M. Weber, "Simon Wiesenthal: Bogus Nazi Hunter," The Journal of Historical Review, Winter 1989-90.) THE CANADIAN JEWISH NEWS, Jan. 30, 1992 Wannsee's importance rejected London (JTA) - An Israeli Holocaust scholar has debunked the Wannsee Conference, at which top Nazi officials are said to have gathered at a villa in a Berlin suburb in 1942 to draw the blueprints of the "Final Solution." According to Prof. Yehuda Bauer (photo) of the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, Wannsee was a meeting, "but hardly a conference", and "little of what was said there was executed in detail." "The public still repeats, time after time, the silly story that at Wannsee the extermination of the Jews was arrived at." "I have never held myself out to be a Holocaust expert, nor have I written books about what is now called the Holocaust." "I have done my best to prepare the case that follows, but I respectfully submit that I do not have any duty to become an expert on the Holocaust, my Lord." "I have never claimed to be a Holocaust historian. As I have said, I have no written no book about the Holocaust. I have written no article about it. If I have spoken about it, it is usually because somebody has asked me a question, I have been questioned about it. On such occasions I have emphasised my lack of expertise and I have expatiated only upon those areas with which I am familiar." http://www.fpp.co.uk/Legal/Penguin/transcripts/day002.htm: "Now, you heard me say in my opening statement, Mr Rampton, that I am not an expert on the Holocaust. What I would now say would be a figure without any value whatsoever." "Q. [Rampton] What you do you say about Sobibor, Treblinka, Belzec and Chelmno?" "A. [Irving] Nothing at all. I am not an expert." RJ.Winston Churchill wrote a five volume history of World War II and nevermentioned the holocaust. He never mentioned it because he knew that theholocaust was just wartime propaganda and he did not want to sully what hehoped would be the definitive history of the war with propaganda that commonsense alone could refute. I could go on but the evidence I speak of isavailable to The Jubilee readers from many patriotic sources even though itis still widely censored by America's media and libraries.I once considered the battle over the holocaust as a great political trumpcard allowing us to take back the moral high ground on the censorship issuefrom the left. But I see now that it is much more important than that. Theholocaust is qualitatively different than the silly lies nations tell theircitizens to get them so fired up they will send their children to die inforeign wars. The holocaust is not pre-war propaganda. It is post-warpropaganda.Why do we need post World War II propaganda? Because World War II was thegreatest human catastrophe in two thousand years for the Aryan peoples andwe "gentiles" must not be allowed to see the truth. It was more than theslaughter of our racial kinsmen and the destruction of our racial homeland.World War II was the most significant crossroads the Christian nations havefaced since Herman faced the legions of Rome in the forests of Teutonberg2,000 years ago. But Herman won the battle of Teutonberg Wald. The Christianworld lost World War II. We lost because we came to a crossroads and wentthe wrong way.http://www.nafcash.com/Lest you think there must be some truth to the alleged Treblinka holocaust NAFCASH TM is offering a $250,000.00 REWARD For locating JUST ONE of the alleged "HUGE MASS GRAVES" of Treblinka NAFCASH TM presents THE TREBLINKA CRIME SCENE INVESTIGATION CHALLENGE TM You must scientifically - forensically prove the grave's EXACT location,its EXACT dimensions and its EXACT volumetric density. The cremated remains must total AT LEAST one percent of the alleged massmurder. JUST ONE MASS GRAVE! - JUST ONE PERCENT!http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/holohoax.htmhttp://www.nowar-paix.ca/nowar/forum/6973 HOW TO KEEP ACADEMICS QUIET The Real Issue Is Israel's Human Rights Record: A statement by Norman G. Finkelstein upon publication of Beyond Chutzpah Professor Alan Dershowitz of Harvard University is currently best known for his advocacy of the "most excruciating" torture against terrorist suspects such as a "needle being shoved under the fingernails." The alleged purpose of this torture is to extract a truthful confession but its real consequence, as human rights organizations have pointed out, is to produce whatever statements are necessary to end the suffering.For 15 months Dershowitz has applied a variant of this truth-seeking technique -- less physically painful but no less excruciating -- to prospective publishers of Beyond Chutzpah, which offers a critical examination of Israel's human rights record and Dershowitz's defense of it. Enlisting one of the most powerful law firms in the country after his personal initiatives proved unsuccessful, Dershowitz has repeatedly threatened to bankrupt highly respected publishers with litigation if they didn't cancel publication of my book. He could then proclaim that the cancellation confirmed the "truth" that Beyond Chutzpah didn't meet scholarly standards. Dershowitz justified these blackmail tactics on the ground that Beyond Chutzpah libels him. Yet, when I first began to expose his gross scholarly misconduct, Dershowitz publicly declared at UCLA (on 21 October 2003) that he wouldn't respond with a libel action because he believed "so strongly in the First Amendment and full freedom of speech." Ironically, just as he was threatening my publishers with expensive and time-consuming lawsuits, Dershowitz denounced Holocaust denier David Irving, who had sued Deborah Lipstadt for libel, with these words: "Before Irving lost his case [against Lipstadt], several publishers had refused to issue books critical of Irving, out of fear of his bringing expensive and time-consuming lawsuits. That was a chilling of free speech" (Afterword to Lipstadt's History on Trial; his emphasis). My publisher, University of California Press, was understandably at great pains to fend off a potential lawsuit by Dershowitz; for an academic publisher the associated costs would have been ruinous, to the point of making certain victory meaningless. On occasion our relationship became strained and at one point it appeared as if we had reached an impasse. However, through the skillful mediation of Nation magazine senior editor Roane Carey (who was the freelance editor of Beyond Chutzpah) and others, a satisfactory compromise was reached that protected the interests of both publisher and author, and, most importantly, preserved the integrity of the book. I would like personally to extend my heartfelt thanks to all who supported me and the press during this difficult period."Another Frenchman, Paul Rassinier, a pre-war communist and later asocialist, had been a member of the French Resistance. He was arrested andinterned in concentration camps, among them Buchenwald. In 1948 he publisheda book Crossing the Line, in which he argued that people might have beenkilled in concentration camps, but that the perpetrators had acted on theirown, not on orders from headquarters.AS WITH ABU GRAIB."The saving of the Jews in Europe did not figure at the head of the list ofpriorities of the ruling class. It was the foundation of the State which wasprimordial in their eyes."http://www.al-shia.com/html/eng/books/miscelleneous/the-founding-myths-of-israeli-politics/part3.htm "The masses of Jews from Hungary's ghettos obediently boarded thedeportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of confidence in the false information that they were being transferred toKenyermeze. The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively hadthey not spread their false information through Jewish channels. The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarianrulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and othersused this known fact as part of their calculated plan to mislead the Jews. They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help ofJewish leaders. The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local leadersof the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were spreadingsuch false information and did not protest. Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth werepersecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local 'rescue work'.The truth is that somewhere between 700,000 and 1,500,000 people died inGerman work camps in 1944 and 1945. Most of them were Jews. Many were not.Most of them died in the last six months of the war from disease and hungercaused by America's bombing of Germany and subsequent destruction of herinfrastructure. There were some atrocities but very few. Few people realizethat the International Red Cross had a field office in Auschwiz from 1942 untilthe end of the war. That office never reported or recorded any atrocities (Several years agointernational Jewry forced the Red Cross to apologize to the Jews -apologize for not seeing something that never happened.)Clearly, the German authorities were at pains to relieve the dire situationas far as they were able. The Red Cross are quite explicit in stating thatfood supplies ceased at this time due to the Allied bombing of Germantransportation, and in the interests of interned Jews they had protested onMarch 15th, 1944 against "the barbarous aerial warfare of the Allies" (InterArma Caritas, p. 78). By October 2nd, 1944, the ICRC warned the GermanForeign Office of the impending collapse of the German transportationsystem, declaring that starvation conditions for people throughout Germanywere becoming inevitable.A Jewish woman named Marika Frank arrived at Auschwitz-Birkenau from Hungaryin July 1944, when 25,000 Jews were supposedly gassed and cremated daily.She likewise testified after the war that she heard and saw nothing of "gaschambers" during the time she was interned there. She heard the gassingstories only later. [15]Inmates ReleasedMore than 200,000 prisoners were transferred from Auschwitz to other camps,and about 8,000 were in the camp when it was liberated by Soviet forces. Inaddition, about 1,500 prisoners who had served their sentences werereleased, and returned to their home countries. [16] If Auschwitz hadactually been a top secret extermination center, would the Germans havereleased inmates who "knew" what was happening there?Himmler Orders Death Rate Reduced http://www.ifamericansknew.org/http://www.ussliberty.org/"Asgard" <asg...@home.net> wrote in messagenews:zZadnTJAIc9c0_DY...@giganews.com...� What a load of emotive old bollocks, bullshit and lies.>> The narrator states the inmates were "starving' at Bergen Belsen, yet the> vast majority of the inmates look positively fat and shiny.>> He goes on to say those dead, had died of starvation, yet earlier stated> they'd not eaten for only 6 days.>> The images of the dead showed mainly emaciated corpses, nothing like the> people still moving around. If they'd died of "starvation", why had the> vasst majority of the inmates not suffered the same fate. Why, indeed wasit> only the corpses which were emaciated.>> What I found particularly intersting, was significant incidence ofpetachiae> on the bodies of the dead. THIS IS A CLASSIC SIGN OF EPIDEMIC TYPHUS.>> The documentary was made in 2005, by a yid, and I note they're still usingthe mythical 4million figure for deaths at Auschsitz. Haven't corrected thescript. They also state, quite clearly, there were 6m jewish deaths incamps. No mention of the supposed Einzatzgroupen.>> The entire documentary is a farcical attempt heighten the victimhoodstatus of yids.>> Any of the experts like to comment? Keenan? You're an expert oneverything.> Gord, likewise. McFey? Got any answers chaps?>> I look forward to your attempts to shoot this one down.>Russian troops marched into Berlin on April 24, 1945, they found 800 Jewsalive and well in Berlin's Jewish hospital.http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/april/21/newsid_3560000/3560175.stm51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazishttp://www.wrmea.com/archives/Sept_2004/0409086.html"Topaz" <mars...@hotmail.com> wrote in messagenews:pklr449roj8r6c7uf...@4ax.com...>> "The orthodox holocaust story can not possibly be defended with> rational arguments because its absurdity is overwhelming. We are asked> to believe in the fata morgana of a vast slaughter in killing> factories which left no traces whatsoever - no documents, no bones, no> teeth, no ashes - nothing! We are further asked to believe that the> Allies, who had a large network of informers all over Europe and a spy> in the German leadership (Admiral Canaris, the head of the German> intelligence), did not become aware of this gigantic genocide until> the end of the war, for if they had known about the mass murder, they> would have acted to stop it. Finally, we are asked to believe that the> Jews in Poland, the epicentre of the holocaust, did not know anything> about the Auschwitz gas chambers as late as in August 1944, otherwise> the Jews from the Lodz ghetto would not have gone to Auschwitz> voluntarily - which is precisely what they did, as related by Raul> Hilberg in his standard work about the holocaust (Die Vernichtung der> europaeischen Juden, p. 543/544).>> As the Zionist-controlled system of the "Western democracies" is> woefully unable to counter the revisionists with arguments, it resorts> to censorship and brute force in order to silence the dangerous> heretics. And the Jews are gradually transforming the holocaust into a> religion. This is a very clever strategy, for as Robert Faurisson> aptly remarks, one cannot refute a religion with scientific arguments.> Thus, the holocaust museums and holocaust monuments spreading like> mushrooms all over America and Europe are really temples of the new> religion, whereas professional "holocaust survivors" such as Elie> Wiesel are the priests of the new religion. To prove this assertion,> we only have to quote Wiesel himself: "The Holocaust is a holy> mystery, the secret of which is limited to the circle of the> priesthood of survivors" (Peter Novick, The Holocaust in American> Life, 1999, p. 211, 212, retranslated from the German). Another high> priest of the holocaust cult, Simon Wiesenthal, goes even further:> "When each of us comes before the Six Million, we will be asked what> we did with our lives... I will say: I did not forget you" (Simon> Wiesenthal in Response, Vol. 20, Nr. 1).>> No critical questions about the holocaust are allowed because they are> a blasphemy: They cause immense distress to the eternal victims of> persecution, the Jews, and are an attempt to whitewash National> Socialism - the most evil ideology of all times which made the> holocaust possible! In today's Germany, it is even considered> inadmissible to compare the holocaust with the atrocities of communist> tyrants such as Stalin or Cambodian dictator Pol Pot because this is> regarded as a "relativisation" and "trivialization" of the worst crime> in history.>> French Zionist propagandist Claude Lanzmann, the producer of a long> and unspeakably dull film about the holocaust (the title of this film> is Shoa, the Hebrew word for "catastrophe", which is often used by> Jews as a synonym for "holocaust") makes no effort to conceal that the> holocaust cult is to replace Christianity:>> "If Auschwitz is something other than a horror of history, then> Christianity totters in its foundations. Christ is the Son of God, who> went to the end of the humanely endurable, where he endured the> cruellest suffering. (...) If Auschwitz is true, then there is a human> suffering with which that of Christ simply cannot be compared. (...)> In this case, Christ is false, and salvation will not come from him.> (...) Auschwitz is the refutation of Christ." (Les temps modernes,> Paris, December 1993, p. 132, 133.)>> Nowadays, a large percentage of the Jews do not believe in God any> more, but virtually all of them believe in the Six Million. The> Zionist leadership cunningly exploits the holocaust to unite the> World's Jews by keeping them in a constant state of hysteria and> persecution mania, insinuating that only if the Jews stick together> will they be able to ban the threat of a new holocaust.>> It goes without saying that very few Non-Jews are willing to embrace> the murky holocaust religion. While the overwhelming majority of> people in the West still believe that the official holocaust version> is essentially true (even if they suspect that the figures might me> somewhat inflated), they are thoroughly fed up with the eternal> lamentation about Jewish victims and Jewish suffering. They simply> don't want to hear it any more. In Germany, opinion polls showed that> a vast majority of the population was against the planned holocaust> monument in Berlin (which not a single major party, not a single> leading politician and not a single big newspaper dared to oppose).> Privately, the politicians are probably as profoundly disgusted with> the endless holocaust litany as the rest of the population, but they> cannot possibly afford to let the revisionists win because this would> shatter the very foundations of the "democratic" system to which they> own their careers and their wealth...>> The ultimate weapon against Zionism and the state of Israel>> At the end of the year 2000, Israel is a besieged country, but from> the military point of view, it is still vastly superior to its> neighbours, and it enjoys the unconditional support of the United> States. Should any of the Islamic states grow strong enough to> seriously threaten Israel, it would most probably be attacked and> militarily annihilated by America. Russia is not likely to risk a> confrontation with the USA for the sake of the Palestinians. We can> certainly admire the bravery of the Palestinians resistance fighters> who are willing to sacrifice their lives to liberate their homeland> from the alien intruders, but realistically, they have no chance to> win. The Palestinians have stones and slings. The Israelis have> helicopters and tanks. You can't destroy helicopters and tanks with> stones and slings.>> When fighting one's enemy, one should always look for his weakest> spot. The weakest spot of Israel, its Achilles heel, is the holocaust> lie to which it owes its existence. The revisionists can give the> adversaries of Israel and international Zionism a terrible weapon. It> is quite true that many revisionists are by no means guided by> political considerations. Some of them - Carlo Mattogno is a good> example - are only motivated by intellectual curiosity: They want to> ascertain what really happened to the Jews during the Second World> War. But even if revisionism is not a political movement, its> political implications are tremendous. The revisionists are> endeavouring to find out the truth, and truth is the deadliest enemy> of Israel and international Jewry. Thus, the revisionists objectively> work against Israel and Zionism, even if subjectively their goals are> often purely scientific and devoid of any political ambition. This is,> of course, the reason why they are persecuted and their books burnt in> more and more countries.>> In view of the total Jewish media control and the ever-growing> anti-revisionist repression in many Western countries, it is very> difficult indeed to achieve a revisionist breakthrough. We> revisionists are facing an uphill struggle which can only partly be> explained by our total lack of financial resources. Fortunately the> internet, which the Jews are unable to censure, has greatly improved> our possibilities to make the results of our research known to the> World, but all the same, we should not cherish naive illusions: Not> every citizen of the Western world who is informed about the> revisionist arguments will automatically become revisionist and> anti-Zionist. The average person in the West - and particularly in> Germany - has been so thoroughly brainwashed that a sudden exposure to> the truth can provoke a nervous breakdown or stomach cramps. I have> repeatedly witnessed this myself. Other people would gladly accept the> truth about the holocaust, but as they know that even the slightest> suspicion of revisionism leads to social ostracism, economic ruin and> legal persecution, they understandably prefer not to get involved.> However, if we want to win the war against those whom one of my> Russian friends called "the enemies of God and mankind"..>> The logical consequence of all this is that those countries which are> authentically anti-Zionist and real friends of the oppressed> Palestinian people should make the breakthrough of holocaust> revisionism their foremost priority. A tank costs millions of dollars,> yet one soldier can destroy it with a single missile. The revisionists> can provide anti-Zionist freedom fighters with a weapon not even a> thousand missiles can destroy.">>>> http://www.ihr.org/ http://www.natvan.com>> http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.nsm88.com/>> http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.htmlWell the claim that they were fighting for a homeland might float, howeverif the are still more concerned about jewish aims and dreams than weighingthis of with the requirements of the other non jewish citizens in thecountries in which they reside, then obviously the non jewish citizens havereason to object and ignore their claims at the expense of their own wealth, lives and wellbeing.We have already paid a top price for assisting jews in their selfish selfishself centred aims.Casualties in WW2Not including the documented 5 million non Jewish in concentration campswho far out numbered the suspected true number of Jewish victims. And thisis without lies and exaggerations about non jewish cassualities.Soviet Union 25,568,000China 11,324,000Germany 7,060,000Poland 6,850,000Japan 1,806,000Yugoslavia 1,700,000Rumania 985,000France 810,000Austria 525,000Italy 410,000Great Britain 388,000USA 295,000Holland 250,000Belgium 85,000Finland 79,000Canada 42,000India 36,000Australia 29,000Albania 28,000Spain 22,000Bulgaria 21,000New Zealand 12,000Norway 10,000South Africa 9,000Luxembourg 5,000Denmark 4,000TOTAL 58,353,000The Jewish ghetto police always had the option, she said, of "throwing offtheir uniforms and joining the rest of us" - a point that Yitzak Zuckerman,a leader of the Warsaw ghetto uprising, made in his memoir.http://www.theexperiment.org/articles.php?news_id=2139Without Jewish co operation through the zionists the Germans would neverhave had the resources to herd the Jews into the various camps. And thezionists made it impossible for the underground to trust the jews.Like elsewhere, the only people who had the information and the ear of thefrightened Jewish population were the Judenrat. In this case the Judenratcomprised mainly the Zionist Federation members. Without their help the SS,with 19 officers and less than 90 men, plus a few hundred Hungarian police,could not have collected and controlled a million Jews, when they did noteven know their whereabouts.http://www.geocities.com/chabaan_2000/safad.HTM_____________________________________THE PROBLEM BEING THAT THE ONLY WILD AND WEIRD ACCOUNTS OF UNTRAMMELLEDHORROR CAME FROM ONLY JEWS.NON JEWS COMPLETELY CONTRADICTED THE WILD STORIES FROM THE CONTRACTINGMUSCLES TO THE SOAP AND TATTOOED LAMPSHADES, ALL BS.During World WarII, Rassinier was a highly decorated member of the FrenchResistance. In October of 1943 he was arrested by the Gestapo for variousactivities including the smuggling of Jewish refugees over the Franco-Swissborder took 2 years to publish his book because of persistent resistanceby the jewish clique.http://www.ihr.org/books/rassinier/debunking1-0.htmlhttp://www.ihr.org/books/hoggan/A4.htmlhttp://www.fpp.co.uk/bookchapters/articles/HowWarsBegin.htmlhttp://www.anti-rev.org/textes/VidalNaquet92a/part-6.htmlhttp://www.alibris.com/search/books/author/Paul_RassinierBut the huge money involved in the reparations won out and we have anothertrue report labeled as a revision against the lies that were spread andapparently plenty of jewish and jewish supporters willing to jump on thebandwagon and build up the stories, supply all sorts of shonky evidence tosupport the lies.And of course the jewish money made it very iffy for experts to testifybecause of the constant arttacks , false ads on the net. in books and byevery jew and his mother of all ages whose chances of being either witnessesof involved were/are slimmer but apparently the courts i n Germany also helpthe cause of falsifying evidence.Although even honest jews could not sway the lies and Finklestein likeRassinier, Harry Elmer Barnes(http://www.amazon.com/Perpetual-Peace-Harry-Elmer-Barnes/dp/0939484013 -http://www.courts.fsnet.co.uk/harryelmerbarnes.htm and of course you willfind the jewish supporters here labelling him as a revisionist because hedid not agree with their versionhttp://www.revisionists.com/revisionists/barnes.html -http://tmh.floonet.net/articles/barnes.html), Charles A. Beard(http://www.questia.com/read/6153679?title=Cross%20Currents%20in%20Europe%20To-Day- http://www.questia.com/SM.qst) , Herman Hesse(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Complete_Fairy_Tales_of_Hermann_Hesse) ,Frederick Bausman (http://www.thenation.com/archive/detail/13677001) allthe honest teachers and historians were labelled nazi , which of course theywerent, but if you point out the lies the only support you are going to getis from anti semitic groups.And of course there is the decent honest jew tired of the lies.A statement by Norman G. Finkelstein upon publication of Beyond Chutzpahhttp://www.nowar-paix.ca/nowar/forum/6973http://666ismoney.com/HolocaustAds.htmlI, Raquel Baranow am a Grad Student of Holocaust Denial. There are personswith PhD's in various fields whoalso deny the 6 million canard. The best evidence is forensic. Untilrecently, there was never a forensicexamination of the alleged murder weapon (gas chambers). Demographic figuresare incomplete. After the fallof East Europe to communism, many of the millions of Jews who fled Polandinto the Soviet Union or ended upbehind the Iron Curtain changed their names to assimilate, many civiliansdied in the war, many died in theconcentration camps of louse-born typhus. During World War One, two millioncivilians in the Soviet Union diedof typhus. Many died in Stalin's gulags.Yad Vashem,( http://www.yadvashem.org/wps/portal/IY_HON_Welcome)a HolocaustDocumentation Center in Israel has a database of 3,000,000 alleged victimsof Naziextermination. But as you can see HERE(http://666ismoney.com/YadVashem.html) (my maiden name, Friedemann), nearlyevery name is listed at leasttwice, some as many as five times!http://www.yadvashem.org/lwp/workplace/IY_HON_WelcomeYad Vashem's 3,000,000 "Holocaust victims" database lists nearlyeveryone twice. Some as many at five times. Anyone, includingyou can submit a "Page of Testimony".And of course we have lists duplicated, unconfirmed, but 3m according to ourusual jewish/Zionist sources.Put your name in, you might be missing out on reparations.Has been improvements since this, numbers still very dicey.Name Town District RegionCountry Bday SourceFriedemann Adolf Berlin Berlin Berlin Germany1879 list of victims from GermanyFriedemann Adolf Berlin Berlin Berlin Germany1879 list of deportation from BerlinFriedemann Adolf Berlin Berlin Berlin Germany1905 list of deportation from BerlinIt is forensically impractical or impossible to exterminate millions withlouse disinfestant (hydrogen cyanide gas)or diesel exhaust as alleged by malicious "witnesses" or torturedconfessors. There are no written orders forextermination. Aerial reconnaissance photographs of the concentration campsshow no smoke and flamesbelching from the crematoria and pyres as alleged. The photos and recordsshow there was not enough coke orcrematoria to cremate millions of corpses. The "witnesses" and confessorslied about how many minutes it takesto cremate a corpse. Diesel exhaust does not contain significant amount ofcarbon monoxide to kill a human. Ifthe Nazis wanted to kill millions they could have driven the coal firedtrain into a tunnel or quonset hut and gassed'em with the exhaust from the locomotive or used the exhaust from thecrematoria. At Auschwitz, during a typhusepidemic, up to 300 people died per day, hence the crematoria, shaving ofheads and requisitions for tons ofZyklon B louse disinfestant. HCN is a very dangerous, impractical, messymethod for extermination.http://www.vho.org/The Holocaust Controversy A Case for open DebateThe Gas Chambers are a fraud, a tourist attraction, slander, demonizing,impractical/impossible, maliciousatrocity propaganda spread by the communists, who hated Hitler andperpetrated by Jews, who were alwayslooking for ways to get to the lands of milk and money. The Jews haveextorted billions from the US Treasury,Germany, Swiss banks and insurance companies on account of the Holohoaxfraud. The Holohoax also makesthose who fought Hitler feel like they did something good fighting thedemon, Hitler instead of letting Hitler takeon Stalin alone.A "liberal" person has an open mind. A bigot is irrational and obstinate.And then we have the honest red cross with no ulterior motives.The New Blasphemyby Tom BlairNews Editor, The JubileeThere was a time when a man did not blaspheme God in America. There weresevere social proscriptions against it. Some communities even had lawsagainst blasphemy. Well blasphemy is still a great sin in America and maysoon be a crime again. But sadly America has a new god and so, a newblasphemy.Let me here commit the new blasphemy while it is still legal. What we knowas the "holocaust" is largely war-time propaganda. Propaganda that, unlikemost war-time propaganda, was not quietly forgotten. Instead it hascontinued; grown more fantastic, more hateful, and more dangerous toquestion every year since 1945.The truth is that somewhere between 700,000 and 1,500,000 people died inGerman work camps in 1944 and 1945. Most of them were Jews. Many were not.Most of them died in the last six months of the war from disease and hungercaused by America's bombing of Germany and subsequent destruction of herinfrastructure. There were some atrocities but very few. Few people realizethat the International Red Cross had a field office in Auschwiz from 1942until the end of the war. That office never reported or recorded anyatrocities (Several years ago international Jewry forced the Red Cross toapologize to the Jews - apologize for not seeing something that neverhappened.)� > WARNING To People in Austria; Belgium; France; Germany;> > Israel; Spain and Switzerland. You can be fined,> > imprisoned or both for discussing the topics set> > forth in this article.It was only after I moved to the Los Angeles area several years ago that Irealized that many people were not aware that millions of victims of theHolocaust were NOT Jewish. Outside the Polish community, I heard very littlemention about the five million non-Jewish victims -- usually referred to as"the othersSubject: Israeli rabbi backs Jewish suicide attacks Organization: Copyright1997 by Reuters Lines: 43 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 9:22:44 PDT Kidnappings, Beatings, Murders and HangingsAttacks by the Irgun and Stern Gang - In 1944, with the end the war insight, Irgun, now under the leadership of Menachem Begin , the future PrimeMinister of Israel 1977-83, began to attack the British administration inPalestine, starting with bomb attacks on the immigration offices, taxoffices and police stations. http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Palestine/kidnap.htmThe Americans were strongly pro Jewish and very anti British. One Hollywoodmotion picture Mogul declared in the British press that he had a holiday inhis heart every time a British soldier was killed in Palestine. and largesections of the American media echoed this sentiment.November 27 -Eight British soldiers killed in bomb attack on police station Jerusalem,Palestine, in Jewish Irgun terrorist attack.http://www.cdiss.org/terror_1940s.htmJuly 22 - Ninety people killed and forty five wounded after Jewishterrorists blow up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, Palestine, which washome to British government and military offices. The terrorists held workersat pistol point while they planted the explosives in the basement of thehotel.July 12 - Jewish Irgun terrorists kidnap and then hang two British Armysergeants. The terrorists were trying to secure the release of three Irgunmembers who had been sentenced to death by the British authorities inPalestine.September 29 - Jewish Irgun terrorists bomb police station in Haifa,Palestine, killing four British and four Arab policemen, as well as two Arabcivilians. Forty six people injured.HOW ABOUT YOU BETRAYING THE USA AND IT'S ALLIES?????HOW ABOUT YOUR SHIPMATES 0- SORRY GOOD EHOUGH?http://www.ussliberty.com/challenge.htm - $10,000 challenge - The LibertyVeterans Association offers a $10,000 reward to anyone who can establish thetruth of A. Jay Cristol's claim: 1http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/margolis12.htmlAt 0800 hrs, 8 June, 1967, eight Israeli recon flights flew over 'Liberty,'which was flying a large American flag. At 1400 hrs, waves of low-flyingIsraeli Mystere and Mirage-III fighter-bombers repeatedly attacked theAmerican vessel with rockets, napalm, and cannon. The air attacks lasted 20minutes, concentrating on the ship's electronic antennas and dishes. The'Liberty' was left afire, listing sharply. Eight of her crew lay dead, ahundred seriously wounded, including the captain, Commander WilliamMcGonagle.http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-usn/usnsh-l/agtr5.htmOn the afternoon of 8 June 1967, while in international waters off the SinaiPeninsula, Liberty, though clearly marked as a U.S. Navy ship, was struck byIsraeli aircraft. After suffering damage and many personnel casualties fromgunfire, rockets and bombs, she was further attacked by three Israeli Navymotor torpedo boats. One torpedo hit her on the starboard side, forward ofthe superstructure, opening a large hole in her hull. In all, thirty-fourmen were killed in the attacks and nearly 170 wounded. Israel subsequentlyapologized for the incident, explaining that its air and naval forces hadmistaken the Liberty for a much smaller Egyptian Navy ship.December 12 - Twenty Arabs, five Jews and two British soldiers killed andthirty wounded in Jewish terrorist bomb attacks on buses in Haifa andRamleh, Palestine. British mandate to rule Palestine ends on 15 May 1948;state of Israel established.December 29 - Jewish Irgun terrorists throw grenades from passing taxi intocaf� near the Damascus gate, Jerusalem, Palestine, killing eleven Arabs andtwo British policemen.March 11Headquarters of the Jewish Agency, Jerusalem, Palestine, destroyed by Arabcar bomb killing thirteen and injuring eighty four.April 9Jewish Irgun terrorist group attacks Deir Yassim, Palestine, murdering twohundred and fifty four Arab women and children captured in the remains ofthe village.JEWS APPEAR TO BE THE ONLY ONES WITH VOICES, WHAT HAS HPPENED TO THEPREVIOUSLY VOCIFEROUS WASPS, and other religious and non religious groups.ONE JEWISH HOLLYWOOD MOTION PICTURE MOGULThe the Jewish controlled American media proclaimed Americans were stronglypro Jewish and very anti British. One Hollywood motion picture Moguldeclared in the British press that he had a holiday in his heart every timea British soldier was killed in Palestine. and large sections of theAmerican media echoed this sentiment.http://hnn.us/articles/832.html"The Palestinians are fighting with human suicide bombers, that's all theyhave. The Israelis . . . they've got one of the most powerful militarymachines in the world. The Palestinians have nothing."-- Ted Turner, Founder of CNN"I do not think that in his heart an Israeli would deny that, if your enemyhas taken land that is rightfully yours and occupied it, then not just yourenemy's army but his wife and son and daughter and servants and all who,under his protection, come to live and make their living on the stolen land,are aggressors. By their presence they aid and abet the occupation."-- Matthew Parris, Saturday Times of London, June 22, 2002"David Ben-Gurion never moved against the Irgun and the Stern Gang untilafter the state was established and secured, which is definitely not true inthe case of the Palestinian Authority. Essentially, the Israelis are askingthe Palestinians to do something they themselves refused to do." i-- Hussein Ibish, Communication director of the American ArabAnti-Discrimination Committeehttp://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/mufti.html Zionist Jewish supremacists really hate this kind of article, that is why"Hate Crimes" exist. To protect the highest criminals.Is this Politically Correct??[The very creation of Israel required an act of terror. In 1948, most of thenon-Jewish indigenous people were ethnically cleansed from the part ofPalestine which became Israel. This action was carefully planned. Withoutit, no state with a Jewish majority and character would have been possible.Since 1948, the "Israeli Arabs", those Palestinians who avoided expulsion,have suffered continuous discrimination. Indeed, many have been internallydisplaced, ostensibly for "security reasons", but really to acquire theirlands for Jews.]No, the Zionofreaks want to ban any history but what they write.Isn't it quite glaringly obvious that "The Holocaust" legends would fallapart without laws that make it illegal to question it?Isn't it glaringly obvious that 911 was the "Goy Holocaust" for America,that short circuits critical thinking and creates a victim mentallity thatjustifies all sorts of crimes against "evil"?Without "The Holocaust" and "911", the manipulators of the US and Israelwould not have been able to carry out their "War on Terror" terrorismagainst the Arabs.But with a public that thinks it is persecuted and under attack, anyatrocity is justified.The terrorists have won. For now.http://forum.cari.com.my/archiver/?tid-117974.htmlDecember 4, 1948New Palestine PartyVisit of Menachem Begin and Aims of Political Movement DiscussedTO THE EDITORS OF THE NEW YORK TIMES:Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergencein the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut),a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, politicalphilosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formedout of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, aterrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine.Attack on Arab VillageA shocking example was their behavior in the Arab village of Deir Yassin.This village, off the main roads and surrounded by Jewish lands, had takenno part in the war, and had even fought off Arab bands who wanted to use thevillage as their base. On April 9 (THE NEW YORK TIMES), terrorist bandsattacked this peaceful village, which was not a military objective in thefighting, killed most of its inhabitants - 240 men, women, and children -and kept a few of them alive to parade as captives through the streets ofJerusalem. Most of the Jewish community was horrified at the deed, and theJewish Agency sent a telegram of apology to King Abdullah of Trans-Jordan.But the terrorists, far from being ashamed of their act, were proud of thismassacre, publicized it widely, and invited all the foreign correspondentspresent in the country to view the heaped corpses and the general havoc atDeir Yassin.The Deir Yassin incident exemplifies the character and actions of theFreedom Party. (signed)Isidore Abramowitz, Hannah Arendt, Abraham Brick, Rabbi Jessurun Cardozo,Albert Einstein, Herman Eisen, M.D., Hayim Fineman, M. Gallen, M.D., H.H.Harris, Zelig S. Harris, Sidney Hook, Fred Karush, Bruria Kaufman, Irma L.Lindheim, Nachman Maisel, Symour Melman, Myer D. Mendelson, M.D., Harry M.Orlinsky, Samuel Pitlick, Fritz Rohrlich, Louis P. Rocker, Ruth Sager,Itzhak Sankowsky, I.J. Schoenberg, Samuel Shuman, M. Znger, Irma Wolpe,Stefan WolpeNew York, Dec. 2, 1948[/quote]http://comment.independent.co.uk/commentators/article1197235.ece"B.H. Cramer" <benj...@yourservice.com> wrote in messagenews:4MKdnSvnVuD_lmrV...@giganews.com...>> "Jason P" <jas...@REMOVE.gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:xY6dndIdJenal2rV...@earthlink.com...>>>> "B.H. Cramer" <benj...@yourservice.com> wrote in messagenews:fvmdnZT_ff_ILmnV...@giganews.com...>>>>>> NEVER FORGET: "Deborah Lipstadt, author of the anti-revisionist polemic>>> Denying the Holocaust, has assigned [Binjamin Wilkormiski's book]Fragments>>> in her Emory University class on Holocaust memoirs. When confronted with>>> evidence that it is a fraud [the author spent the war in comfort in>>> Switzerland, not Auschwitz, and was not even a Jew], she commented thatthe>>> new revelations 'might complicate matters somewhat, but [the work] isstill>>> powerful.'" ->>>>>> In other words, who cares about fact or fiction where the Holocaust is>>> concerned?>>>>>>> And she had the classic Jew audacity to discredit David Irving, and thenmake news about it, going on TV with her Jewtardian anti-revisionism soundbites.>>>> Jason P>> Lipstadt is a disgusting, ugly, lying jewess, who is a tad smarter thancohen.>> Here's some questions put to the slag which she has never acknowledged.>> Questions for Lipstadt>> WE ARE often asked for questions to put to Professor Lipstadt in herwell-funded peregrinations around the world.> ________________________________________> . . . here are just a few:> 1. Prof. Lipstadt - why were you afraid to go into the witness box andexpose yourself even to the questioning of an amateur like Mr. Irving? Youeffectively pleaded the Fifth Amendment, which is the traditional route ofthose with something to hide. (Mr. Irving subjected himself voluntarily tothree weeks' cross examination by one of the world's leading trial lawyers,and he voluntarily made available to you his entire private and publicpapers.)>> 2. are you aware that one of your main researchers, Dr. David Cesarani,said that Mr. Irving gave the defence some scary moments, particularly whentheir chief expert witness on the architecture of Auschwitz, Prof. Van Pelt,proved unable to explain what had happened to the bodies (i.e. the logisticsof disposing, for example, of 450,000 Hungarian Jews' bodies in threeweeks - around 50,000 tons of corpses, by a small Sonderkommando in onecrematory building) [Internet link: seehttp://www.fpp.co.uk/docs/trial3/DieZeit120400e.html]>> 3. why did you not accept David Irving's challenge, made three timespublicly in the courtroom, that he would halt the case in mid-trial if youcould find any evidence of the holes in the roof slab of Crematorium II atAuschwitz - which still exists - through which "eye witnesses" in the pay ofwar-crimes prosecution teams claimed to have seen SS officers tipping theZyklon B granules? Your own chief witness Van Pelt said there are no suchholes in the slab, so somebody lied, right?>> 4. why are you afraid of free debate? You have said there is no debate,but when push came to shove your highly paid Queen's Counsel felt itnecessary to fill the courtroom every day for three months with over thirtylawyers, counsel, barristers, assistants, historians, and researchers, justto stand up against Mr. Irving, who appeared in court alone. Was your casereally that weak?>> 5. why have you and your friends done all you can to muzzle Mr. Irving -by putting pressure on publishers, broadcasters, television companies, andgovernments not to allow him to speak or to publish his widely acknowledgedbooks? What are you scared of?>> 6. in a trial which was about a very serious matter, why did you instructyour counsel to resort to smear tactics, branding Mr. Irving as ananti-Semite and a racist (although he, unlike your Counsel, frequentlyemploys ethnic minorities as his personal staff), and although neitherallegation was made in your book or pleaded in your initial Defence? Wereyou frightened of fighting the case on the facts of history?>> 7. how much money have you made out of this trial (articles, speakingfees, etc.) already? That's what it's about, isn't it - money?>> 8. do you think it right that your lawyers paid some of your so called"neutral" expert witnesses a quarter of a million dollars in inducements totestify in your favour? Those six million dollars put up by StevenSpielberg - you are a religious scholar: Have you never heard the Bible say,"Good wine needs no bush"? If your case is rock solid why was so much moneyswilling around that London courtroom? [Internet link:http://www.fpp.co.uk/Legal/Penguin/experts/payments.html]>> 9. a new Zealand academic tribunal has just found that Prof. RichardEvans, your chief witness, was guilty of grossly distorting, misquoting,exaggerating, and polemicizing in his similar "expert report" on Dr. JoelHayward, and totally lacking in the objectivity that is expected by a courtof an expert witness. How do you feel about Evans now? [Internet link:http://www.fpp.co.uk/Legal/Penguin/experts/Evans/NZReportExtract.html]>> 10. have you read Norman Finkelstein's book, The Holocaust Industry. Is hea racist and anti-Semite too?>> 11. you have argued in your books and articles that Jews should neverstoop to marrying outside their religion and race. Is that not racism in itspurest and most evil form?>> 12. who paid your own multi-million dollar legal expenses, and why did theBritish High Court, unusually, not allow you to reclaim them?>> 13. Judge Gray found in his Judgment that three of the statements you madein your book against Mr Irving are in fact serious lies just as he claimed(the Stockholm terrorist conference, the Hitler painting "above his desk",the stealing or damaging of the Goebbels diaries from the Moscow archives.Have you removed them from the book's latest editions?) (Answer: You havenot).>>>>>>What fraud? Stop trying to divert attention from whats important here. Also,how has David Irving got anything to do w/ 'reactivating the Nazi Party'?He's a historian - also used to be a very famous one too, until he realisedthe truth & stopped writing about the 'Holocaust', THAT was his crime. Ialso believed in it until I started looking at all these reports. Q: Ifthere was a 100% certainty it never happened, what evidence would stop youbelieving? A : NONE while you accept the staus quo.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_dQz86Ve8whttp://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=102884"dolf" <dolf...@hotmail.com> wrote in messagenews:4A10794F...@hotmail.com...> Did someone say SIN?>> I have recently added the meta descriptors for the categories ofunderstanding which don't have a temporal connection--I think of this as themechanistic and deterministic sin equivalent of the lint filter within aclothes dryer.>> var META_NONTEMPORAL = {> 72: {},> 148: {}, 184: {}, 196: {},> 205: {}, 208: {}, 209: {}, 212: {}, 221: {}, 225: {}, 227: {}, 258:{}, 267: {},> 305: {}, 344: {}, 422: {}, 442: {}, 463: {}, 464: {}, 487: {},> 501: {}, 508: {}, 510: {}, 515: {}, 519: {}, 525: {}, 530: {}, 531:{}, 534: {}, 535: {}, 536: {}, 547: {}, 569: {}, 574: {}, 583: {}, 584: {}> }>> I am able to look at the dialectic container or daemon in which theseoccur by using the ?telos:num option>> - http://www.grapple.id.au/vCube.html??telos:422>> #148 / #72> - http://www.grapple.id.au/vCube.html?zen:8,nous:41>> #184> - http://www.grapple.id.au/vCube.html?zen:8,nous:40>> #196 (#70, #30, #40, #50, #6 Our secret sin)> - http://www.grapple.id.au/vCube.html?zen:1,nous:16>> #100, #6, #90 to be astir, to move; to awake (from sleep or from death),to rise from the dead; to arouse oneself; to hasten on.>> #422 #10, #300, #2, #70, #30 n. The People Returns / #530 - #30, #80, #10,#4, #6, #400 n. Torches> - http://www.grapple.id.au/vCube.html?zen:7,nous:65>>> john...@gmail.com wrote:>> On 17 May, 20:48, z <gzuck...@snail-mail.net> wrote:>>> On May 17, 11:45 am, yp <y...@hotmail.com> wrote:>>>>>>> I would say that if he had been satisfied with the annexations of>>>> Austria and Czechoslovakia, he would still be remembered as a great>>>> hero for Germany. His big mistake was to attack Poland in 1939 and>>>> thereby start a world war by involving the other powers, namely Great>>>> Britain, France and so on.>>> If he hadn't been crazy enough to chase all the Jews out of Germany,>>>> If the Pope wasn't a Catholic he might have been the Caliph of Islam.>> If bears didn't shit in the woods they might be bunny rabbits.>> The Church couches by such proposition, a continuing reliance uponsymbolic theology and philosophy of religion derived from Pythagoreanonomantick hymeneal (HETEROS: MARRIAGE) mysticism as a regime of RomanImperial religious/political governance. Which as blasphemy, is a dynamiccontention of opposites expressed between the Roman Imperialreligious/political hymeneal conception of the hyponomos (under law; subjectto law), as its natural and common law association to the chronologicalhyponomic character of the hypostatis (eg: 12 x 6J = 72J + 3(3�+1)/2 = 457BCE + 70 weeks = 33 CE as hypothetical) and the personality of Jesus (YHVS)Christ--refusing to acknowledge the First Cause as a Personality.>> In this regard Richard Dawkins concedes a notion of God as Zeitgeist: "Inany society there exists a somewhat mysterious consensus, which changes overthe decades, and for which it is not pretentious to use the German loan-wordZeitgeist {ie. the animating or defining spirit or mood of a particularperiod of history as shown by the ideas and beliefs of the time}." As theexperience of a dominant cultural climate that defines, particularly inHegelian thinking, an era in the dialectical progression of a people or theworld at large. Hegel's (1770-1831) main contribution to the formulation ofthe concept of Volksgeist ('Spirit of the Nation') is the attribution of ahistorical character to the concept. Examples of similar foundationalconcepts within the Australian cultural lexicon are 'Qantas Spirit ofAustralia' and ANZAC. [ref: Absolute Astronomy.com]>> But does Richard Dawkins pretentions upon the German word 'geist' asspooks, extend to poltergeist projections as well?>> I don't get the impression that Dawkins directly rejects the generalconcept of 'faith,' but, more importantly, discusses the differences betweenscientific/rational thinking (which is dynamic and allows for revision withthe progression of time bringing us closer to the truth) and the unhealthy,destructive and irrational religious thinking (which is static, governed byinterpretation of the bible, and contains predetermined truths). Dawkins useof the theory of evolution in that discussion was not to address the generalissue of 'faith', but to demonstrate the progressive nature in thescientific method. [Science Blog entry: 2006.11.11 Misunderstanding Dawkins]>> Next he'll be claiming that this static within interstitial space {ie. hasa Casimir effect described by quantum field theory} as the product ofmysterious psychokinetic phenomena to unconscious projections due to psychicconflict, thereby constitutes speech--An electric hair dryer is such aninvention.>> Pope Benedict XVI responding to such a disturbing notion at his Universityof Jordan address on 9 May 2009 during his d�tente with the Muslim world,said that faith and reason support each other. Religion purifies reason ofthe temptation to presumption: "And as believers in the one God we know thathuman reason is itself God�s gift and that it soars to its highest planewhen suffused with the light of God�s truth. In fact, when human reasonhumbly allows itself to be purified by faith, it is far from weakened;rather, it is strengthened to resist presumption (was he thinking ofChristopher Hitchens?) and to reach beyond its own limitations.">> Nevertheless, Dawkins on page 301 in his book 'The God Delusion' publishedin 2006, draws upon this analogy as the progression of ideas, in relating itto female suffrage. Which he observes, is now universal in the world'sdemocracies and is conceptually different from what the common law statedid. But this reform, as he suggests is in fact astonishingly recent. Hereare some dates at which women were granted the vote:>> 1893 - New Zealand> 1902 - Australia> 1906 - Finland> 1913 - Norway> 1920 - United States> 1928 - Britain> 1945 - France> 1946 - Belgium> 1971 - Switzerland> 2006 - Kuwait>> This spread of dates through the twentieth century, Dawkins considers is agauge of the shifting Zeitgeist rather than evidence of the modernregulatory and administrative state engaging within a trans-substantivejustification with respect to any former nationalistic anachronism such asthe white Australia policy.>> In this way, human reason is emboldened to pursue its noble purpose ofserving mankind, giving expression to our deepest common aspirations andextending, rather than manipulating or confining, public debate. Thus,genuine adherence to religion � far from narrowing our minds � widens thehorizon of human understanding. It protects civil society from the excessesof the unbridled ego which tend to absolutize the finite and eclipse theinfinite; (a dig at Richard Dawkins perhaps?) it ensures that freedom isexercised hand in hand with truth, and it adorns culture with insightsconcerning all that is true, good and beautiful.>> It was a remarkable performance -- to explain the deepest notions ofChristian theology to a potentially hostile audience and leave without amurmur of criticism. It seems clear that the Pope is seeking outcomes fromthis dialogue with Muslim leaders -- more respect for Christianity, morereligious tolerance, more common action against secularism, more commonaction in support of human dignity. How long it will take for the message tosink in is a different matter. [Vatican Speech 2009.5.9, Copyright 2009 -Libreria Editrice Vaticana, added emphasis from Michael Cook 14 May 2009,MercatorNet.com]>> Similarly the use of the Hebrew genealogy [Matthew 1:17; Luke 3:23-38] isan attributed hypostatic metashematizo [2 Corinthians 11:14-15] to definethe character of the consecrated elements to the host [John 6:46-59] andcompass or organic influence (ie. Zeitgeist) of the Godhead as Elohiym, isderived from the biblical text of [1 Corinthians 12:20-26] which, inreferring to the human body infers the genitalia by the phrase:>> "our unpresentable-ASCHEMON parts have greater modesty-EUSCHEMOSUNE">> Words with similar definitions obtained from the Perseus Digital Library,Tufts University are:>> Latin 1: conformatio 2: defingo 3: Megara (great houses such as Corinth;respected Greek city-state) 4: conformo 5: figuratio> Greek 1: sch�matismos 2: sch�matopoie� 3: aposch�matiz� 4: morph�ma 5:metasch�matiz�>> With respects to the former schismatic presumptions as the geo-centricPythagorean and Julian perspective of the cosmology which had pervaded sinceGreek astronomer and geographer Ptolemy (120 CE), I recently askedAustralians how they thought Captain James Cook mapped the east coast of thecontinent and whether he made use of any recent technological innovations,or as dependency upon a geo-centric and otherwise central point ofinexactitude in deference to the Dutch and their Intellectual Property.>> It was James Cook who had ambition not only to go farther than any man hadbeen before: (ie. The Dolphin voyage of 1766 CE was compromised by theship's nails being exchanged for sexual favors amongst the PolynesianIslanders), but as far as it was possible for a man to go--seized possessionof Terra Australis on 20 April 1770 CE. A little known aspect of Cook'svoyage was his use of the first really accurate chronometer that could betransported by sea. As a result of this innovation he was able to accuratelyrecord longitude as well as latitude. Latitude could be determinedaccurately using a sextant, but accurate longitude had to wait for JohnHarrison to invent the chronometer as the innovation that allowed Cook todepict Australia cartographically and without reference to other maps.>> Wasn't the planet Venus also used as the principle mode in determininglongitude? Observations made by appointment of the Royal Society at KingGeorge's Island in the South Sea by Mr Charles Green, formerly assistant atthe Royal Observatory at Greenwich, and Lieutenant James Cook of HisMajesty's ship the Endeavour are recorded in the 1771 CE PhilosophicalTransactions of the Royal Society, Vol. 61, p 41.>> I simply make the observation that the planetary deities within the Torahare also concerned with a computational and semiotic statement about thecosmology having a pious and genealogical relationship with the Hebrews,between the seven-day cycle and the Equinox cycles as providing arelationship ('sanctification') and relativity to the infinite as eternity.This worldview is also able to accommodate the recent suggested finding of a35,000 year old anthropological image of the planet Venus located in Germancaves.>> The other point I make in relation to this is the requirement for ageo-centric paradigm of mind and governance, is that the planetarymetaschema known from Pythagoras (580-500 BCE) to Ptolemy (120 CE) to 1582CE Gregorian calendar reforms was the 28 year x 365.25 cycle computationmade by the former Julian calendar. My view of the cosmology given by NASA'sReference Publication on Fifty Year Canon of Solar Eclipses: 1986 to 2035 byFred Espenak, is that the Australian geocentric--and I use this with greatlatitude within the field of: 4 degrees and inexactitude of longitude: 12degrees--as proximity of solar eclipses go, might equally be said to qualifyfor the purpose of determination of a central orientation for itsgeo-centric technological based paradigm of mind and governance.>> Solar Eclipse [Julian 2452612.814] @ Latitude: 39 28.2S, Longitude: 5933.6E on 4 December 2002 + 28 years,> Solar Eclipse [Julian 2462830.786] @ Latitude: 43 36.9S, Longitude: 7118.5E on 25 November 2030>> - dolf> -

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http://www.icrc.org/web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/htmlall/section_second_world_war?OpenDocumenthttp://www.icrc.org/web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/html/68zeb2?opendocumenthttp://www.icrc.org/web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/html/6ayg86Report of the International Committee of the Red Cross on its Activitiesduring the Second World War, Geneva, 1948.You will find thousands of jewish funded museums amd so calleduniversitiesthat supposedly have evidence , also the reports themselves havebeen contaminated by jewish academics and supporters continual injectionsthat the Red Cross did not see.The Red Cross is not political or historical so keptrecords of it�s actions,and if astrocities occurred they recorded them just as they do today.And the only evidence offered by holocaust supporters is the usual suspectexaggerations from reparation seeking jews castigated by honest honest jewsfor this horrible use of what suffering there was during this period.Despite the suffering of the jews it was not as much as Europeans as a wholesuffered with over 5 million imprisoned, a much hight number than the realnumber of jews . And free for anyone to investigate without fear ofimprisonment.Not to mention the disrupted lives of Europeans when their homes and townsbecame the battlefields of WW2.To emphasize the determined efforts of the jews to stay in the limelight bypushing all other victims to the back while they bask in the limelight , ina lot of cases undeservedly so. http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Crosses/Crosses.htmlAs an example the Polish who is the one country who had more (3 million �figures you can examine without fear of harassment) wanted to put up crossesfor victims , who were in there mostly for helping and supporting jews inPoland. Were castigated and criticised by jewish groups claiming theremembrances should only be for their victims, and not be over shadowed byChristian victims.http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Crosses/Crosses.htmlhttp://www.holocaustforgotten.com/poland.htmhttp://www.holocaustforgotten.com/All that comes out clearly, whatever the reason that the jews were held incamps, there was great co operation by the jews themselves, this forced themto find excuses for their behavior, and easiest was lying about thecruelties of the Germans that caused this co operation. Rather falls downwhen there is no gassing and if camps were simply holding camps.As their own leaders said.The Jewish ghetto police always had the option, she said, of "throwing offtheir uniforms and joining the rest of us" - a point that Yitzak Zuckerman,a leader of the Warsaw ghetto uprising, made in his memoir.http://www.theexperiment.org/articles.php?news_id=2139There is not a shred of evidence, for example, that "a gas chamber was in the process of being built at Dachau, but it was never completed." (See "The Second Leuchter Report" by American gas chamber expert Fred Leuchter in The Journal of Historical Review, Fall 1990.) There is likewise no proof that "mentally and physically handicapped people were killed" by gas at any of the four "institutions" Wiesenthal mentions. This US Army photo was taken at Dachau on April 30, 1945, one day after the camp's capture. It shows a GI standing in front of a door marked with a skull and crossbones and the words "Caution! Gas! Life danger! Do not open!" According to the official caption, "these chambers were used by Nazi guards for killing prisoners of the infamous Dachau concentration camp." In fact, this is a small disinfection gas chamber used for delousing clothes. It was never used to kill people. For several decades, this photo has been widely reproduced to help keep alive the notorious Dachau "gas chamber" myth. (US Army photo SC 206194.)Besides the condensation below you can exam the various reviews of the REDCROSS covering WW2 during the time of the jews claimed astrocities commitedby the Germans.Inmates ReleasedMore than 200,000 prisoners were transferred from Auschwitz to other camps,and about 8,000 were in the camp when it was liberated by Soviet forces. Inaddition, about 1,500 prisoners who had served their sentences werereleased, and returned to their home countries. [16] If Auschwitz hadactually been a top secret extermination center, would the Germans havereleased inmates who "knew" what was happening there?Himmler Orders Death Rate Reducedhttp://www.ihr.org/books/hoggan/21.htmlhttp://www.outlawjournalism.com/news/?p=5803http://www.rense.com/general69/factua.htmhttp://www.777healthproducts.com/07g.htmhttp://www.intellnet.org/resources/resistance/holocaust/04.htm http://www.icrc.ch/Web/Eng/siteeng0.nsf/iwpList418/359CC4EF8A1E5C72C1256B66005B2171A little hard to obtain a report that is not heavily influenced by jewishpressure to includE holocaust AS THEY WOULD LIKE ALL TO SEE IT..So you will notice that holocaust is not denied just a quiet it was badetc.THE JEWS AND THE CONCENTRATION CAMPS:A FACTUAL APPRAISAL BY THE RED CROSS.There is one survey of the Jewish question in Europe during World WarTwo and the conditions of Germany's concentration camps which isalmost unique in its honesty and objectivity, the three-volume Reportof the International Committee of the Red Cross on its Activitiesduring the Second World War, Geneva, 1948.This comprehensive account from an entirely neutral sourceincorporated and expanded the findings of two previous works:Documents sur l'activit� du CICR en faveur des civils d�tenus dans lescamps de concentration en Allemagne 1939-1945 (Geneva, 1946), andInter Arma Caritas: the Work of the ICRC during the Second World War(Geneva, 1947). The team of authors, headed by Fr�d�ric Siordet,explained in the opening pages of the Report that their object, in thetradition of the Red Cross, had been strict political neutrality, andherein lies its great value.The ICRC successfully applied the 1929 Geneva military convention inorder to gain access to civilian internees held in Central and WesternEurope by the Germany authorities. By contrast, the ICRC was unable togain any access to the Soviet Union, which had failed to ratify theConvention. The millions of civilian and military internees held inthe USSR, whose conditions were known to be by far the worst, werecompletely cut off from any international contact or supervision.The Red Cross Report is of value in that it first clarifies thelegitimate circumstances under which Jews were detained inconcentration camps, i.e. as enemy aliens. In describing the twocategories of civilian internees, the Report distinguishes the secondtype as "Civilians deported on administrative grounds (in German,"Schutzh�ftlinge"), who were arrested for political or racial motivesbecause their presence was considered a danger to the State or theoccupation forces" (Vol. 111, p. 73). These persons, it continues,"were placed on the same footing as persons arrested or imprisonedunder common law for security reasons." (P.74).The Report admits that the Germans were at first reluctant to permitsupervision by the Red Cross of people detained on grounds relating tosecurity, but by the latter part of 1942, the ICRC obtained importantconcessions from Germany. They were permitted to distribute foodparcels to major concentration camps in Germany from August 1942, and"from February 1943 onwards this concession was extended to all othercamps and prisons" (Vol. 111, p. 78). The ICRC soon establishedcontact with camp commandants and launched a food relief programmewhich continued to function until the last months of 1945, letters ofthanks for which came pouring in from Jewish internees.Red Cross Recipients Were JewsThe Report states that "As many as 9,000 parcels were packed daily.From the autumn of 1943 until May 1945, about 1,112,000 parcels with atotal weight of 4,500 tons were sent off to the concentration camps"(Vol. III, p. 80). In addition to food, these contained clothing andpharmaceutical supplies. "Parcels were sent to Dachau, Buchenwald,Sangerhausen, Sachsenhausen, Oranienburg, Flossenburg,Landsberg-am-Lech, Fl�ha, Ravensbr�ck, Hamburg-Neuengamme, Mauthausen,Theresienstadt, Auschwitz, Bergen-Belsen, to camps near Vienna and inCentral and Southern Germany. The principal recipients were Belgians,Dutch, French, Greeks, Italians, Norwegians, Poles and stateless Jews"(Vol. III, p. 83).In the course of the war, "The Committee was in a position to transferand distribute in the form of relief supplies over twenty millionSwiss francs collected by Jewish welfare organisations throughout theworld, in particular by the American Joint Distribution Committee ofNew York" (Vol. I, p. 644). This latter organisation was permitted bythe German Government to maintain offices in Berlin until the Americanentry into the war. The ICRC complained that obstruction of their vastrelief operation for Jewish internees came not from the Germans butfrom the tight Allied blockade of Europe. Most of their purchases ofrelief food were made in Rumania, Hungary and Slovakia.The ICRC had special praise for the liberal conditions which prevailedat Theresienstadt up to the time of their last visits there in April1945. This camp, "where there were about 40,000 Jews deported fromvarious countries was a relatively privileged ghetto" (Vol. III, p.75). According to the Report, "'The Committee's delegates were able tovisit the camp at Theresienstadt (Terezin) which was used exclusivelyfor Jews and was governed by special conditions. From informationgathered by the Committee, this camp had been started as an experimentby certain leaders of the Reich ... These men wished to give the Jewsthe means of setting up a communal life in a town under their ownadministration and possessing almost complete autonomy. . . twodelegates were able to visit the camp on April 6th, 1945. Theyconfirmed the favourable impression gained on the first visit" (Vol.I, p . 642).The ICRC also had praise for the regime of Ion Antonescu of FascistRumania where the Committee was able to extend special relief to183,000 Rumanian Jews until the time of the Soviet occupation. The aidthen ceased, and the ICRC complained bitterly that it never succeeded"in sending anything whatsoever to Russia" (Vol. II, p. 62). The samesituation applied to many of the German camps after their "liberation"by the Russians. The ICRC received a voluminous flow of mail fromAuschwitz until the period of the Soviet occupation, when many of theinternees were evacuated westward. But the efforts of the Red Cross tosend relief to internees remaining at Auschwitz under Soviet controlwere futile. However, food parcels continued to be sent to formerAuschwitz inmates transferred west to such camps as Buchenwald andOranienburg.No Evidence Of GenocideOne of the most important aspects of the Red Cross Report is that itclarifies the true cause of those deaths that undoubtedly occurred inthe camps toward the end of the war. Says the Report: "In the chaoticcondition of Germany after the invasion during the final months of thewar, the camps received no food supplies at all and starvation claimedan increasing number of victims. Itself alarmed by this situation, theGerman Government at last informed the ICRC on February 1st, 1945 ...In March 1945, discussions between the President of the ICRC andGeneral of the S.S. Kaltenbrunner gave even more decisive results.Relief could henceforth be distributed by the ICRC, and one delegatewas authorised to stay in each camp ..." (Vol. III, p. 83).Clearly, the German authorities were at pains to relieve the diresituation as far as they were able. The Red Cross are quite explicitin stating that food supplies ceased at this time due to the Alliedbombing of German transportation, and in the interests of internedJews they had protested on March 15th, 1944 against "the barbarousaerial warfare of the Allies" (Inter Arma Caritas, p. 78). By October2nd, 1944, the ICRC warned the German Foreign Office of the impendingcollapse of the German transportation system, declaring thatstarvation conditions for people throughout Germany were becominginevitable.In dealing with this comprehensive, three-volume Report, it isimportant to stress that the delegates of the International Red Crossfound no evidence whatever at the camps in Axis occupied Europe of adeliberate policy to exterminate the Jews. In all its 1,600 pages theReport does not even mention such a thing as a gas chamber. It admitsthat Jews, like many other wartime nationalities, suffered rigours andprivations, but its complete silence on the subject of plannedextermination is ample refutation of the Six Million legend. Like theVatican representatives with whom they worked, the Red Cross founditself unable to indulge in the irresponsible charges of genocidewhich had become the order of the day. So far as the genuine mortalityrate is concerned, the Report points out that most of the Jewishdoctors from the camps were being used to combat typhus on the easternfront, so that they were unavailable when the typhus epidemics of 1945broke out in the camps (Vol. I, p. 204 ff) - Incidentally, it isfrequently claimed that mass executions were carried out in gaschambers cunningly disguised as shower facilities. Again the Reportmakes nonsense of this allegation. "Not only the washing places, butinstallations for baths, showers and laundry were inspected by thedelegates. They had often to take action to have fixtures made lessprimitive, and to get them repaired or enlarged" (Vol. III, p. 594).Not All Were InternedVolume III of the Red Cross Report, Chapter 3 (I. Jewish CivilianPopulation) deals with the "aid given to the Jewish section of thefree population," and this chapter makes it quite plain that by nomeans all of the European Jews were placed in internment camps, butremained, subject to certain restrictions, as part of the freecivilian population. This conflicts directly with the "thoroughness"of the supposed "extermination programme", and with the claim in theforged H�ss memoirs that Eichmann was obsessed with seizing "everysingle Jew he could lay his hands on."In Slovakia, for example, where Eichmann's assistant Dieter Wislicenywas in charge, the Report states that "A large proportion of theJewish minority had permission to stay in the country, and at certainperiods Slovakia was looked upon as a comparative haven of refuge forJews, especially for those coming from Poland. Those who remained inSlovakia seem to have been in comparative safety until the end ofAugust 1944, when a rising against the German forces took place. Whileit is true that the law of May 15th, 1942 had brought about theinternment of several thousand Jews, these people were held in campswhere the conditions of food and lodging were tolerable, and where theinternees were allowed to do paid work on terms almost equal to thoseof the free labour market" (Vol. I, p. 646).Not only did large numbers of the three million or so European Jewsavoid internment altogether, but the emigration of Jews continuedthroughout the war, generally by way of Hungary, Rumania and Turkey.Ironically, post-war Jewish emigration from German-occupiedterritories was also facilitated by the Reich, as in the case of thePolish Jews who had escaped to France before its occupation. "The Jewsfrom Poland who, whilst in France, had obtained entrance permits tothe United States were held to be American citizens by the Germanoccupying authorities, who further agreed to recognize the validity ofabout three thousand passports issued to Jews by the consulates ofSouth American countries" (Vol. I, p. 645).As future U.S. citizens, these Jews were held at the Vittel camp insouthern France for American aliens. The emigration of European Jewsfrom Hungary in particular proceeded during the war unhindered by theGerman authorities. "Until March 1944," says the. Red Cross Report,"Jews who had the privilege of visas for Palestine were free to leaveHungary" (Vol. I, p. 648). Even after the replacement of the HorthyGovernment in 1944 (following its attempted armistice with the SovietUnion) with a government more dependent on German authority, theemigration of Jews continued.The Committee secured the pledges of both Britain and the UnitedStates "to give support by every means to the emigration of Jews fromHungary," and from the U.S. Government the ICRC received a messagestating that "The Government of the United States ... now specificallyrepeats its assurance that arrangements will be made by it for thecare of all Jews who in the present circumstances are allowed toleave" (Vol. I, p . 649).Biedermann agreed that in the nineteen instances that "Did Six MillionReally Die?" quoted from the Report of the International Committee ofthe Red Cross on its Activities during the Second World War and InterArma Caritas (this includes the above material), it did so accurately.A quote from Charles Biedermann (a delegate of the InternationalCommittee of the Red Cross and Director of the Red Cross'International Tracing Service) under oath at the Z�ndel Trial(February 9, 10, 11 and 12, 1988).http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=2735http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/14645862&referer=brief_results ACTUALLY -- AND CONTRARY TO HIS HIGHLY FLATTERING PUBLIC IMAGE -- THE RENOWNED "NAZI HUNTER" HAS A WELL-DOCUMENTED BUT LITTLE-KNOWN RECORD OF DECEIT, MENDACITY AND PREVARICATION. SOME HIGHLIGHTS: Wiesenthal repeatedly lied about his alleged role in locating Adolf Eichmann, was consistently wrong about Josef Mengele, and falsely accused Polish-American Frank Walus of having murdered Jews in Poland as a Gestapo official. Wiesenthal has absurdly charged that the Germans exterminated Jews in "electrocution chambers," and that they manufactured bars of soap from the bodies of murdered Jews. His deception about his own wartime activities prompted Austrian Chancellor Bruno Kreisky (himself of Jewish ancestry) to accuse the "Nazi hunter" of having collaborated with his wartime oppressors. (For details about Wiesenthal's record, see: M. Weber, "Simon Wiesenthal: Bogus Nazi Hunter," The Journal of Historical Review, Winter 1989-90.) THE CANADIAN JEWISH NEWS, Jan. 30, 1992 Wannsee's importance rejected London (JTA) - An Israeli Holocaust scholar has debunked the Wannsee Conference, at which top Nazi officials are said to have gathered at a villa in a Berlin suburb in 1942 to draw the blueprints of the "Final Solution." According to Prof. Yehuda Bauer (photo) of the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, Wannsee was a meeting, "but hardly a conference", and "little of what was said there was executed in detail." "The public still repeats, time after time, the silly story that at Wannsee the extermination of the Jews was arrived at." "I have never held myself out to be a Holocaust expert, nor have I written books about what is now called the Holocaust." "I have done my best to prepare the case that follows, but I respectfully submit that I do not have any duty to become an expert on the Holocaust, my Lord." "I have never claimed to be a Holocaust historian. As I have said, I have no written no book about the Holocaust. I have written no article about it. If I have spoken about it, it is usually because somebody has asked me a question, I have been questioned about it. On such occasions I have emphasised my lack of expertise and I have expatiated only upon those areas with which I am familiar." http://www.fpp.co.uk/Legal/Penguin/transcripts/day002.htm: "Now, you heard me say in my opening statement, Mr Rampton, that I am not an expert on the Holocaust. What I would now say would be a figure without any value whatsoever." "Q. [Rampton] What you do you say about Sobibor, Treblinka, Belzec and Chelmno?" "A. [Irving] Nothing at all. I am not an expert." RJ.Winston Churchill wrote a five volume history of World War II and nevermentioned the holocaust. He never mentioned it because he knew that theholocaust was just wartime propaganda and he did not want to sully what hehoped would be the definitive history of the war with propaganda that commonsense alone could refute. I could go on but the evidence I speak of isavailable to The Jubilee readers from many patriotic sources even though itis still widely censored by America's media and libraries.I once considered the battle over the holocaust as a great political trumpcard allowing us to take back the moral high ground on the censorship issuefrom the left. But I see now that it is much more important than that. Theholocaust is qualitatively different than the silly lies nations tell theircitizens to get them so fired up they will send their children to die inforeign wars. The holocaust is not pre-war propaganda. It is post-warpropaganda.Why do we need post World War II propaganda? Because World War II was thegreatest human catastrophe in two thousand years for the Aryan peoples andwe "gentiles" must not be allowed to see the truth. It was more than theslaughter of our racial kinsmen and the destruction of our racial homeland.World War II was the most significant crossroads the Christian nations havefaced since Herman faced the legions of Rome in the forests of Teutonberg2,000 years ago. But Herman won the battle of Teutonberg Wald. The Christianworld lost World War II. We lost because we came to a crossroads and wentthe wrong way.http://www.nafcash.com/Lest you think there must be some truth to the alleged Treblinka holocaust NAFCASH TM is offering a $250,000.00 REWARD For locating JUST ONE of the alleged "HUGE MASS GRAVES" of Treblinka NAFCASH TM presents THE TREBLINKA CRIME SCENE INVESTIGATION CHALLENGE TM You must scientifically - forensically prove the grave's EXACT location,its EXACT dimensions and its EXACT volumetric density. The cremated remains must total AT LEAST one percent of the alleged massmurder. JUST ONE MASS GRAVE! - JUST ONE PERCENT!http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/holohoax.htmhttp://www.nowar-paix.ca/nowar/forum/6973 HOW TO KEEP ACADEMICS QUIET The Real Issue Is Israel's Human Rights Record: A statement by Norman G. Finkelstein upon publication of Beyond Chutzpah Professor Alan Dershowitz of Harvard University is currently best known for his advocacy of the "most excruciating" torture against terrorist suspects such as a "needle being shoved under the fingernails." The alleged purpose of this torture is to extract a truthful confession but its real consequence, as human rights organizations have pointed out, is to produce whatever statements are necessary to end the suffering.For 15 months Dershowitz has applied a variant of this truth-seeking technique -- less physically painful but no less excruciating -- to prospective publishers of Beyond Chutzpah, which offers a critical examination of Israel's human rights record and Dershowitz's defense of it. Enlisting one of the most powerful law firms in the country after his personal initiatives proved unsuccessful, Dershowitz has repeatedly threatened to bankrupt highly respected publishers with litigation if they didn't cancel publication of my book. He could then proclaim that the cancellation confirmed the "truth" that Beyond Chutzpah didn't meet scholarly standards. Dershowitz justified these blackmail tactics on the ground that Beyond Chutzpah libels him. Yet, when I first began to expose his gross scholarly misconduct, Dershowitz publicly declared at UCLA (on 21 October 2003) that he wouldn't respond with a libel action because he believed "so strongly in the First Amendment and full freedom of speech." Ironically, just as he was threatening my publishers with expensive and time-consuming lawsuits, Dershowitz denounced Holocaust denier David Irving, who had sued Deborah Lipstadt for libel, with these words: "Before Irving lost his case [against Lipstadt], several publishers had refused to issue books critical of Irving, out of fear of his bringing expensive and time-consuming lawsuits. That was a chilling of free speech" (Afterword to Lipstadt's History on Trial; his emphasis). My publisher, University of California Press, was understandably at great pains to fend off a potential lawsuit by Dershowitz; for an academic publisher the associated costs would have been ruinous, to the point of making certain victory meaningless. On occasion our relationship became strained and at one point it appeared as if we had reached an impasse. However, through the skillful mediation of Nation magazine senior editor Roane Carey (who was the freelance editor of Beyond Chutzpah) and others, a satisfactory compromise was reached that protected the interests of both publisher and author, and, most importantly, preserved the integrity of the book. I would like personally to extend my heartfelt thanks to all who supported me and the press during this difficult period."Another Frenchman, Paul Rassinier, a pre-war communist and later asocialist, had been a member of the French Resistance. He was arrested andinterned in concentration camps, among them Buchenwald. In 1948 he publisheda book Crossing the Line, in which he argued that people might have beenkilled in concentration camps, but that the perpetrators had acted on theirown, not on orders from headquarters.AS WITH ABU GRAIB."The saving of the Jews in Europe did not figure at the head of the list ofpriorities of the ruling class. It was the foundation of the State which wasprimordial in their eyes."http://www.al-shia.com/html/eng/books/miscelleneous/the-founding-myths-of-israeli-politics/part3.htm "The masses of Jews from Hungary's ghettos obediently boarded thedeportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of confidence in the false information that they were being transferred toKenyermeze. The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively hadthey not spread their false information through Jewish channels. The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarianrulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and othersused this known fact as part of their calculated plan to mislead the Jews. They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help ofJewish leaders. The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local leadersof the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were spreadingsuch false information and did not protest. Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth werepersecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local 'rescue work'.The truth is that somewhere between 700,000 and 1,500,000 people died inGerman work camps in 1944 and 1945. Most of them were Jews. Many were not.Most of them died in the last six months of the war from disease and hungercaused by America's bombing of Germany and subsequent destruction of herinfrastructure. There were some atrocities but very few. Few people realizethat the International Red Cross had a field office in Auschwiz from 1942 untilthe end of the war. That office never reported or recorded any atrocities (Several years agointernational Jewry forced the Red Cross to apologize to the Jews -apologize for not seeing something that never happened.)Clearly, the German authorities were at pains to relieve the dire situationas far as they were able. The Red Cross are quite explicit in stating thatfood supplies ceased at this time due to the Allied bombing of Germantransportation, and in the interests of interned Jews they had protested onMarch 15th, 1944 against "the barbarous aerial warfare of the Allies" (InterArma Caritas, p. 78). By October 2nd, 1944, the ICRC warned the GermanForeign Office of the impending collapse of the German transportationsystem, declaring that starvation conditions for people throughout Germanywere becoming inevitable.A Jewish woman named Marika Frank arrived at Auschwitz-Birkenau from Hungaryin July 1944, when 25,000 Jews were supposedly gassed and cremated daily.She likewise testified after the war that she heard and saw nothing of "gaschambers" during the time she was interned there. She heard the gassingstories only later. [15]Inmates ReleasedMore than 200,000 prisoners were transferred from Auschwitz to other camps,and about 8,000 were in the camp when it was liberated by Soviet forces. Inaddition, about 1,500 prisoners who had served their sentences werereleased, and returned to their home countries. [16] If Auschwitz hadactually been a top secret extermination center, would the Germans havereleased inmates who "knew" what was happening there?Himmler Orders Death Rate Reduced http://www.ifamericansknew.org/http://www.ussliberty.org/"Asgard" <asg...@home.net> wrote in messagenews:zZadnTJAIc9c0_DY...@giganews.com...� What a load of emotive old bollocks, bullshit and lies.>> The narrator states the inmates were "starving' at Bergen Belsen, yet the> vast majority of the inmates look positively fat and shiny.>> He goes on to say those dead, had died of starvation, yet earlier stated> they'd not eaten for only 6 days.>> The images of the dead showed mainly emaciated corpses, nothing like the> people still moving around. If they'd died of "starvation", why had the> vasst majority of the inmates not suffered the same fate. Why, indeed wasit> only the corpses which were emaciated.>> What I found particularly intersting, was significant incidence ofpetachiae> on the bodies of the dead. THIS IS A CLASSIC SIGN OF EPIDEMIC TYPHUS.>> The documentary was made in 2005, by a yid, and I note they're still using> the mythical 4million figure for deaths at Auschsitz. Haven't correctedthe> script. They also state, quite clearly, there were 6m jewish deaths in> camps. No mention of the supposed Einzatzgroupen.>> The entire documentary is a farcical attempt heighten the victimhoodstatus> of yids.>> Any of the experts like to comment? Keenan? You're an expert oneverything.> Gord, likewise. McFey? Got any answers chaps?>> I look forward to your attempts to shoot this one down.>Russian troops marched into Berlin on April 24, 1945, they found 800 Jewsalive and well in Berlin's Jewish hospital.http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/april/21/newsid_3560000/3560175.stm51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazishttp://www.wrmea.com/archives/Sept_2004/0409086.html"Topaz" <mars...@hotmail.com> wrote in messagenews:pklr449roj8r6c7uf...@4ax.com...>> "The orthodox holocaust story can not possibly be defended with> rational arguments because its absurdity is overwhelming. We are asked> to believe in the fata morgana of a vast slaughter in killing> factories which left no traces whatsoever - no documents, no bones, no> teeth, no ashes - nothing! We are further asked to believe that the> Allies, who had a large network of informers all over Europe and a spy> in the German leadership (Admiral Canaris, the head of the German> intelligence), did not become aware of this gigantic genocide until> the end of the war, for if they had known about the mass murder, they> would have acted to stop it. Finally, we are asked to believe that the> Jews in Poland, the epicentre of the holocaust, did not know anything> about the Auschwitz gas chambers as late as in August 1944, otherwise> the Jews from the Lodz ghetto would not have gone to Auschwitz> voluntarily - which is precisely what they did, as related by Raul> Hilberg in his standard work about the holocaust (Die Vernichtung der> europaeischen Juden, p. 543/544).>> As the Zionist-controlled system of the "Western democracies" is> woefully unable to counter the revisionists with arguments, it resorts> to censorship and brute force in order to silence the dangerous> heretics. And the Jews are gradually transforming the holocaust into a> religion. This is a very clever strategy, for as Robert Faurisson> aptly remarks, one cannot refute a religion with scientific arguments.> Thus, the holocaust museums and holocaust monuments spreading like> mushrooms all over America and Europe are really temples of the new> religion, whereas professional "holocaust survivors" such as Elie> Wiesel are the priests of the new religion. To prove this assertion,> we only have to quote Wiesel himself: "The Holocaust is a holy> mystery, the secret of which is limited to the circle of the> priesthood of survivors" (Peter Novick, The Holocaust in American> Life, 1999, p. 211, 212, retranslated from the German). Another high> priest of the holocaust cult, Simon Wiesenthal, goes even further:> "When each of us comes before the Six Million, we will be asked what> we did with our lives... I will say: I did not forget you" (Simon> Wiesenthal in Response, Vol. 20, Nr. 1).>> No critical questions about the holocaust are allowed because they are> a blasphemy: They cause immense distress to the eternal victims of> persecution, the Jews, and are an attempt to whitewash National> Socialism - the most evil ideology of all times which made the> holocaust possible! In today's Germany, it is even considered> inadmissible to compare the holocaust with the atrocities of communist> tyrants such as Stalin or Cambodian dictator Pol Pot because this is> regarded as a "relativisation" and "trivialization" of the worst crime> in history.>> French Zionist propagandist Claude Lanzmann, the producer of a long> and unspeakably dull film about the holocaust (the title of this film> is Shoa, the Hebrew word for "catastrophe", which is often used by> Jews as a synonym for "holocaust") makes no effort to conceal that the> holocaust cult is to replace Christianity:>> "If Auschwitz is something other than a horror of history, then> Christianity totters in its foundations. Christ is the Son of God, who> went to the end of the humanely endurable, where he endured the> cruellest suffering. (...) If Auschwitz is true, then there is a human> suffering with which that of Christ simply cannot be compared. (...)> In this case, Christ is false, and salvation will not come from him.> (...) Auschwitz is the refutation of Christ." (Les temps modernes,> Paris, December 1993, p. 132, 133.)>> Nowadays, a large percentage of the Jews do not believe in God any> more, but virtually all of them believe in the Six Million. The> Zionist leadership cunningly exploits the holocaust to unite the> World's Jews by keeping them in a constant state of hysteria and> persecution mania, insinuating that only if the Jews stick together> will they be able to ban the threat of a new holocaust.>> It goes without saying that very few Non-Jews are willing to embrace> the murky holocaust religion. While the overwhelming majority of> people in the West still believe that the official holocaust version> is essentially true (even if they suspect that the figures might me> somewhat inflated), they are thoroughly fed up with the eternal> lamentation about Jewish victims and Jewish suffering. They simply> don't want to hear it any more. In Germany, opinion polls showed that> a vast majority of the population was against the planned holocaust> monument in Berlin (which not a single major party, not a single> leading politician and not a single big newspaper dared to oppose).> Privately, the politicians are probably as profoundly disgusted with> the endless holocaust litany as the rest of the population, but they> cannot possibly afford to let the revisionists win because this would> shatter the very foundations of the "democratic" system to which they> own their careers and their wealth...>> The ultimate weapon against Zionism and the state of Israel>> At the end of the year 2000, Israel is a besieged country, but from> the military point of view, it is still vastly superior to its> neighbours, and it enjoys the unconditional support of the United> States. Should any of the Islamic states grow strong enough to> seriously threaten Israel, it would most probably be attacked and> militarily annihilated by America. Russia is not likely to risk a> confrontation with the USA for the sake of the Palestinians. We can> certainly admire the bravery of the Palestinians resistance fighters> who are willing to sacrifice their lives to liberate their homeland> from the alien intruders, but realistically, they have no chance to> win. The Palestinians have stones and slings. The Israelis have> helicopters and tanks. You can't destroy helicopters and tanks with> stones and slings.>> When fighting one's enemy, one should always look for his weakest> spot. The weakest spot of Israel, its Achilles heel, is the holocaust> lie to which it owes its existence. The revisionists can give the> adversaries of Israel and international Zionism a terrible weapon. It> is quite true that many revisionists are by no means guided by> political considerations. Some of them - Carlo Mattogno is a good> example - are only motivated by intellectual curiosity: They want to> ascertain what really happened to the Jews during the Second World> War. But even if revisionism is not a political movement, its> political implications are tremendous. The revisionists are> endeavouring to find out the truth, and truth is the deadliest enemy> of Israel and international Jewry. Thus, the revisionists objectively> work against Israel and Zionism, even if subjectively their goals are> often purely scientific and devoid of any political ambition. This is,> of course, the reason why they are persecuted and their books burnt in> more and more countries.>> In view of the total Jewish media control and the ever-growing> anti-revisionist repression in many Western countries, it is very> difficult indeed to achieve a revisionist breakthrough. We> revisionists are facing an uphill struggle which can only partly be> explained by our total lack of financial resources. Fortunately the> internet, which the Jews are unable to censure, has greatly improved> our possibilities to make the results of our research known to the> World, but all the same, we should not cherish naive illusions: Not> every citizen of the Western world who is informed about the> revisionist arguments will automatically become revisionist and> anti-Zionist. The average person in the West - and particularly in> Germany - has been so thoroughly brainwashed that a sudden exposure to> the truth can provoke a nervous breakdown or stomach cramps. I have> repeatedly witnessed this myself. Other people would gladly accept the> truth about the holocaust, but as they know that even the slightest> suspicion of revisionism leads to social ostracism, economic ruin and> legal persecution, they understandably prefer not to get involved.> However, if we want to win the war against those whom one of my> Russian friends called "the enemies of God and mankind"..>> The logical consequence of all this is that those countries which are> authentically anti-Zionist and real friends of the oppressed> Palestinian people should make the breakthrough of holocaust> revisionism their foremost priority. A tank costs millions of dollars,> yet one soldier can destroy it with a single missile. The revisionists> can provide anti-Zionist freedom fighters with a weapon not even a> thousand missiles can destroy.">>>> http://www.ihr.org/ http://www.natvan.com>> http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.nsm88.com/>> http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.htmlWell the claim that they were fighting for a homeland might float, howeverif the are still more concerned about jewish aims and dreams than weighingthis of with the requirements of the other non jewish citizens in thecountries in which they reside, then obviously the non jewish citizens havereason to object and ignore their claims at the expense of their own wealth, lives and wellbeing.We have already paid a top price for assisting jews in their selfish selfishself centred aims.Casualties in WW2Not including the documented 5 million non Jewish in concentration campswho far out numbered the suspected true number of Jewish victims. And thisis without lies and exaggerations about non jewish cassualities.Soviet Union 25,568,000China 11,324,000Germany 7,060,000Poland 6,850,000Japan 1,806,000Yugoslavia 1,700,000Rumania 985,000France 810,000Austria 525,000Italy 410,000Great Britain 388,000USA 295,000Holland 250,000Belgium 85,000Finland 79,000Canada 42,000India 36,000Australia 29,000Albania 28,000Spain 22,000Bulgaria 21,000New Zealand 12,000Norway 10,000South Africa 9,000Luxembourg 5,000Denmark 4,000TOTAL 58,353,000The Jewish ghetto police always had the option, she said, of "throwing offtheir uniforms and joining the rest of us" - a point that Yitzak Zuckerman,a leader of the Warsaw ghetto uprising, made in his memoir.http://www.theexperiment.org/articles.php?news_id=2139Without Jewish co operation through the zionists the Germans would neverhave had the resources to herd the Jews into the various camps. And thezionists made it impossible for the underground to trust the jews.Like elsewhere, the only people who had the information and the ear of thefrightened Jewish population were the Judenrat. In this case the Judenratcomprised mainly the Zionist Federation members. Without their help the SS,with 19 officers and less than 90 men, plus a few hundred Hungarian police,could not have collected and controlled a million Jews, when they did noteven know their whereabouts.http://www.geocities.com/chabaan_2000/safad.HTM_____________________________________THE PROBLEM BEING THAT THE ONLY WILD AND WEIRD ACCOUNTS OF UNTRAMMELLEDHORROR CAME FROM ONLY JEWS.NON JEWS COMPLETELY CONTRADICTED THE WILD STORIES FROM THE CONTRACTINGMUSCLES TO THE SOAP AND TATTOOED LAMPSHADES, ALL BS.During World WarII, Rassinier was a highly decorated member of the FrenchResistance. In October of 1943 he was arrested by the Gestapo for variousactivities including the smuggling of Jewish refugees over the Franco-Swissborder took 2 years to publish his book because of persistent resistanceby the jewish clique.http://www.ihr.org/books/rassinier/debunking1-0.htmlhttp://www.ihr.org/books/hoggan/A4.htmlhttp://www.fpp.co.uk/bookchapters/articles/HowWarsBegin.htmlhttp://www.anti-rev.org/textes/VidalNaquet92a/part-6.htmlhttp://www.alibris.com/search/books/author/Paul_RassinierBut the huge money involved in the reparations won out and we have anothertrue report labeled as a revision against the lies that were spread andapparently plenty of jewish and jewish supporters willing to jump on thebandwagon and build up the stories, supply all sorts of shonky evidence tosupport the lies.And of course the jewish money made it very iffy for experts to testifybecause of the constant arttacks , false ads on the net. in books and byevery jew and his mother of all ages whose chances of being either witnessesof involved were/are slimmer but apparently the courts i n Germany also helpthe cause of falsifying evidence.Although even honest jews could not sway the lies and Finklestein likeRassinier, Harry Elmer Barnes(http://www.amazon.com/Perpetual-Peace-Harry-Elmer-Barnes/dp/0939484013 -http://www.courts.fsnet.co.uk/harryelmerbarnes.htm and of course you willfind the jewish supporters here labelling him as a revisionist because hedid not agree with their versionhttp://www.revisionists.com/revisionists/barnes.html -http://tmh.floonet.net/articles/barnes.html), Charles A. Beard(http://www.questia.com/read/6153679?title=Cross%20Currents%20in%20Europe%20To-Day- http://www.questia.com/SM.qst) , Herman Hesse(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Complete_Fairy_Tales_of_Hermann_Hesse) ,Frederick Bausman (http://www.thenation.com/archive/detail/13677001) allthe honest teachers and historians were labelled nazi , which of course theywerent, but if you point out the lies the only support you are going to getis from anti semitic groups.And of course there is the decent honest jew tired of the lies.A statement by Norman G. Finkelstein upon publication of Beyond Chutzpahhttp://www.nowar-paix.ca/nowar/forum/6973http://666ismoney.com/HolocaustAds.htmlI, Raquel Baranow am a Grad Student of Holocaust Denial. There are personswith PhD's in various fields whoalso deny the 6 million canard. The best evidence is forensic. Untilrecently, there was never a forensicexamination of the alleged murder weapon (gas chambers). Demographic figuresare incomplete. After the fallof East Europe to communism, many of the millions of Jews who fled Polandinto the Soviet Union or ended upbehind the Iron Curtain changed their names to assimilate, many civiliansdied in the war, many died in theconcentration camps of louse-born typhus. During World War One, two millioncivilians in the Soviet Union diedof typhus. Many died in Stalin's gulags.Yad Vashem,( http://www.yadvashem.org/wps/portal/IY_HON_Welcome)a HolocaustDocumentation Center in Israel has a database of 3,000,000 alleged victimsof Naziextermination. But as you can see HERE(http://666ismoney.com/YadVashem.html) (my maiden name, Friedemann), nearlyevery name is listed at leasttwice, some as many as five times!http://www.yadvashem.org/lwp/workplace/IY_HON_WelcomeYad Vashem's 3,000,000 "Holocaust victims" database lists nearlyeveryone twice. Some as many at five times. Anyone, includingyou can submit a "Page of Testimony".And of course we have lists duplicated, unconfirmed, but 3m according to ourusual jewish/Zionist sources.Put your name in, you might be missing out on reparations.Has been improvements since this, numbers still very dicey.Name Town District RegionCountry Bday SourceFriedemann Adolf Berlin Berlin Berlin Germany1879 list of victims from GermanyFriedemann Adolf Berlin Berlin Berlin Germany1879 list of deportation from BerlinFriedemann Adolf Berlin Berlin Berlin Germany1905 list of deportation from BerlinIt is forensically impractical or impossible to exterminate millions withlouse disinfestant (hydrogen cyanide gas)or diesel exhaust as alleged by malicious "witnesses" or torturedconfessors. There are no written orders forextermination. Aerial reconnaissance photographs of the concentration campsshow no smoke and flamesbelching from the crematoria and pyres as alleged. The photos and recordsshow there was not enough coke orcrematoria to cremate millions of corpses. The "witnesses" and confessorslied about how many minutes it takesto cremate a corpse. Diesel exhaust does not contain significant amount ofcarbon monoxide to kill a human. Ifthe Nazis wanted to kill millions they could have driven the coal firedtrain into a tunnel or quonset hut and gassed'em with the exhaust from the locomotive or used the exhaust from thecrematoria. At Auschwitz, during a typhusepidemic, up to 300 people died per day, hence the crematoria, shaving ofheads and requisitions for tons ofZyklon B louse disinfestant. HCN is a very dangerous, impractical, messymethod for extermination.http://www.vho.org/The Holocaust Controversy A Case for open DebateThe Gas Chambers are a fraud, a tourist attraction, slander, demonizing,impractical/impossible, maliciousatrocity propaganda spread by the communists, who hated Hitler andperpetrated by Jews, who were alwayslooking for ways to get to the lands of milk and money. The Jews haveextorted billions from the US Treasury,Germany, Swiss banks and insurance companies on account of the Holohoaxfraud. The Holohoax also makesthose who fought Hitler feel like they did something good fighting thedemon, Hitler instead of letting Hitler takeon Stalin alone.A "liberal" person has an open mind. A bigot is irrational and obstinate.And then we have the honest red cross with no ulterior motives.The New Blasphemyby Tom BlairNews Editor, The JubileeThere was a time when a man did not blaspheme God in America. There weresevere social proscriptions against it. Some communities even had lawsagainst blasphemy. Well blasphemy is still a great sin in America and maysoon be a crime again. But sadly America has a new god and so, a newblasphemy.Let me here commit the new blasphemy while it is still legal. What we knowas the "holocaust" is largely war-time propaganda. Propaganda that, unlikemost war-time propaganda, was not quietly forgotten. Instead it hascontinued; grown more fantastic, more hateful, and more dangerous toquestion every year since 1945.The truth is that somewhere between 700,000 and 1,500,000 people died inGerman work camps in 1944 and 1945. Most of them were Jews. Many were not.Most of them died in the last six months of the war from disease and hungercaused by America's bombing of Germany and subsequent destruction of herinfrastructure. There were some atrocities but very few. Few people realizethat the International Red Cross had a field office in Auschwiz from 1942until the end of the war. That office never reported or recorded anyatrocities (Several years ago international Jewry forced the Red Cross toapologize to the Jews - apologize for not seeing something that neverhappened.)� > WARNING To People in Austria; Belgium; France; Germany;> > Israel; Spain and Switzerland. You can be fined,> > imprisoned or both for discussing the topics set> > forth in this article.It was only after I moved to the Los Angeles area several years ago that Irealized that many people were not aware that millions of victims of theHolocaust were NOT Jewish. Outside the Polish community, I heard very littlemention about the five million non-Jewish victims -- usually referred to as"the othersSubject: Israeli rabbi backs Jewish suicide attacks Organization: Copyright1997 by Reuters Lines: 43 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 9:22:44 PDT Kidnappings, Beatings, Murders and HangingsAttacks by the Irgun and Stern Gang - In 1944, with the end the war insight, Irgun, now under the leadership of Menachem Begin , the future PrimeMinister of Israel 1977-83, began to attack the British administration inPalestine, starting with bomb attacks on the immigration offices, taxoffices and police stations. http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Palestine/kidnap.htmThe Americans were strongly pro Jewish and very anti British. One Hollywoodmotion picture Mogul declared in the British press that he had a holiday inhis heart every time a British soldier was killed in Palestine. and largesections of the American media echoed this sentiment.November 27 -Eight British soldiers killed in bomb attack on police station Jerusalem,Palestine, in Jewish Irgun terrorist attack.http://www.cdiss.org/terror_1940s.htmJuly 22 - Ninety people killed and forty five wounded after Jewishterrorists blow up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, Palestine, which washome to British government and military offices. The terrorists held workersat pistol point while they planted the explosives in the basement of thehotel.July 12 - Jewish Irgun terrorists kidnap and then hang two British Armysergeants. The terrorists were trying to secure the release of three Irgunmembers who had been sentenced to death by the British authorities inPalestine.September 29 - Jewish Irgun terrorists bomb police station in Haifa,Palestine, killing four British and four Arab policemen, as well as two Arabcivilians. Forty six people injured.HOW ABOUT YOU BETRAYING THE USA AND IT'S ALLIES?????HOW ABOUT YOUR SHIPMATES 0- SORRY GOOD EHOUGH?http://www.ussliberty.com/challenge.htm - $10,000 challenge - The LibertyVeterans Association offers a $10,000 reward to anyone who can establish thetruth of A. Jay Cristol's claim: 1http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/margolis12.htmlAt 0800 hrs, 8 June, 1967, eight Israeli recon flights flew over 'Liberty,'which was flying a large American flag. At 1400 hrs, waves of low-flyingIsraeli Mystere and Mirage-III fighter-bombers repeatedly attacked theAmerican vessel with rockets, napalm, and cannon. The air attacks lasted 20minutes, concentrating on the ship's electronic antennas and dishes. The'Liberty' was left afire, listing sharply. Eight of her crew lay dead, ahundred seriously wounded, including the captain, Commander WilliamMcGonagle.http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-usn/usnsh-l/agtr5.htmOn the afternoon of 8 June 1967, while in international waters off the SinaiPeninsula, Liberty, though clearly marked as a U.S. Navy ship, was struck byIsraeli aircraft. After suffering damage and many personnel casualties fromgunfire, rockets and bombs, she was further attacked by three Israeli Navymotor torpedo boats. One torpedo hit her on the starboard side, forward ofthe superstructure, opening a large hole in her hull. In all, thirty-fourmen were killed in the attacks and nearly 170 wounded. Israel subsequentlyapologized for the incident, explaining that its air and naval forces hadmistaken the Liberty for a much smaller Egyptian Navy ship.December 12 - Twenty Arabs, five Jews and two British soldiers killed andthirty wounded in Jewish terrorist bomb attacks on buses in Haifa andRamleh, Palestine. British mandate to rule Palestine ends on 15 May 1948;state of Israel established.December 29 - Jewish Irgun terrorists throw grenades from passing taxi intocaf� near the Damascus gate, Jerusalem, Palestine, killing eleven Arabs andtwo British policemen.March 11Headquarters of the Jewish Agency, Jerusalem, Palestine, destroyed by Arabcar bomb killing thirteen and injuring eighty four.April 9Jewish Irgun terrorist group attacks Deir Yassim, Palestine, murdering twohundred and fifty four Arab women and children captured in the remains ofthe village.JEWS APPEAR TO BE THE ONLY ONES WITH VOICES, WHAT HAS HPPENED TO THEPREVIOUSLY VOCIFEROUS WASPS, and other religious and non religious groups.ONE JEWISH HOLLYWOOD MOTION PICTURE MOGULThe the Jewish controlled American media proclaimed Americans were stronglypro Jewish and very anti British. One Hollywood motion picture Moguldeclared in the British press that he had a holiday in his heart every timea British soldier was killed in Palestine. and large sections of theAmerican media echoed this sentiment.http://hnn.us/articles/832.html"The Palestinians are fighting with human suicide bombers, that's all theyhave. The Israelis . . . they've got one of the most powerful militarymachines in the world. The Palestinians have nothing."-- Ted Turner, Founder of CNN"I do not think that in his heart an Israeli would deny that, if your enemyhas taken land that is rightfully yours and occupied it, then not just yourenemy's army but his wife and son and daughter and servants and all who,under his protection, come to live and make their living on the stolen land,are aggressors. By their presence they aid and abet the occupation."-- Matthew Parris, Saturday Times of London, June 22, 2002"David Ben-Gurion never moved against the Irgun and the Stern Gang untilafter the state was established and secured, which is definitely not true inthe case of the Palestinian Authority. Essentially, the Israelis are askingthe Palestinians to do something they themselves refused to do." i-- Hussein Ibish, Communication director of the American ArabAnti-Discrimination Committeehttp://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/mufti.html Zionist Jewish supremacists really hate this kind of article, that is why"Hate Crimes" exist. To protect the highest criminals.Is this Politically Correct??[The very creation of Israel required an act of terror. In 1948, most of thenon-Jewish indigenous people were ethnically cleansed from the part ofPalestine which became Israel. This action was carefully planned. Withoutit, no state with a Jewish majority and character would have been possible.Since 1948, the "Israeli Arabs", those Palestinians who avoided expulsion,have suffered continuous discrimination. Indeed, many have been internallydisplaced, ostensibly for "security reasons", but really to acquire theirlands for Jews.]No, the Zionofreaks want to ban any history but what they write.Isn't it quite glaringly obvious that "The Holocaust" legends would fallapart without laws that make it illegal to question it?Isn't it glaringly obvious that 911 was the "Goy Holocaust" for America,that short circuits critical thinking and creates a victim mentallity thatjustifies all sorts of crimes against "evil"?Without "The Holocaust" and "911", the manipulators of the US and Israelwould not have been able to carry out their "War on Terror" terrorismagainst the Arabs.But with a public that thinks it is persecuted and under attack, anyatrocity is justified.The terrorists have won. For now.http://forum.cari.com.my/archiver/?tid-117974.htmlDecember 4, 1948New Palestine PartyVisit of Menachem Begin and Aims of Political Movement DiscussedTO THE EDITORS OF THE NEW YORK TIMES:Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergencein the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut),a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, politicalphilosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formedout of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, aterrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine.Attack on Arab VillageA shocking example was their behavior in the Arab village of Deir Yassin.This village, off the main roads and surrounded by Jewish lands, had takenno part in the war, and had even fought off Arab bands who wanted to use thevillage as their base. On April 9 (THE NEW YORK TIMES), terrorist bandsattacked this peaceful village, which was not a military objective in thefighting, killed most of its inhabitants - 240 men, women, and children -and kept a few of them alive to parade as captives through the streets ofJerusalem. Most of the Jewish community was horrified at the deed, and theJewish Agency sent a telegram of apology to King Abdullah of Trans-Jordan.But the terrorists, far from being ashamed of their act, were proud of thismassacre, publicized it widely, and invited all the foreign correspondentspresent in the country to view the heaped corpses and the general havoc atDeir Yassin.The Deir Yassin incident exemplifies the character and actions of theFreedom Party. (signed)Isidore Abramowitz, Hannah Arendt, Abraham Brick, Rabbi Jessurun Cardozo,Albert Einstein, Herman Eisen, M.D., Hayim Fineman, M. Gallen, M.D., H.H.Harris, Zelig S. Harris, Sidney Hook, Fred Karush, Bruria Kaufman, Irma L.Lindheim, Nachman Maisel, Symour Melman, Myer D. Mendelson, M.D., Harry M.Orlinsky, Samuel Pitlick, Fritz Rohrlich, Louis P. Rocker, Ruth Sager,Itzhak Sankowsky, I.J. Schoenberg, Samuel Shuman, M. Znger, Irma Wolpe,Stefan WolpeNew York, Dec. 2, 1948[/quote]http://comment.independent.co.uk/commentators/article1197235.ece"B.H. Cramer" <benj...@yourservice.com> wrote in messagenews:4MKdnSvnVuD_lmrV...@giganews.com...>> "Jason P" <jas...@REMOVE.gmail.com> wrote in message> news:xY6dndIdJenal2rV...@earthlink.com...>>>> "B.H. Cramer" <benj...@yourservice.com> wrote in message>> news:fvmdnZT_ff_ILmnV...@giganews.com...>>>>>> NEVER FORGET: "Deborah Lipstadt, author of the anti-revisionist polemic>>> Denying the Holocaust, has assigned [Binjamin Wilkormiski's book]>>> Fragments>>> in her Emory University class on Holocaust memoirs. When confronted with>>> evidence that it is a fraud [the author spent the war in comfort in>>> Switzerland, not Auschwitz, and was not even a Jew], she commented that>>> the>>> new revelations 'might complicate matters somewhat, but [the work] is>>> still>>> powerful.'" ->>>>>> In other words, who cares about fact or fiction where the Holocaust is>>> concerned?>>>>>>> And she had the classic Jew audacity to discredit David Irving, and then>> make news about it, going on TV with her Jewtardian anti-revisionismsound>> bites.>>>> Jason P>> Lipstadt is a disgusting, ugly, lying jewess, who is a tad smarter than> cohen.>> Here's some questions put to the slag which she has never acknowledged.>> Questions for Lipstadt>> WE ARE often asked for questions to put to Professor Lipstadt in her> well-funded peregrinations around the world.> ________________________________________> . . . here are just a few:> 1. Prof. Lipstadt - why were you afraid to go into the witness box and> expose yourself even to the questioning of an amateur like Mr. Irving? You> effectively pleaded the Fifth Amendment, which is the traditional route of> those with something to hide. (Mr. Irving subjected himself voluntarily to> three weeks' cross examination by one of the world's leading triallawyers,> and he voluntarily made available to you his entire private and public> papers.)>> 2. are you aware that one of your main researchers, Dr. David Cesarani,said> that Mr. Irving gave the defence some scary moments, particularly whentheir> chief expert witness on the architecture of Auschwitz, Prof. Van Pelt,> proved unable to explain what had happened to the bodies (i.e. thelogistics> of disposing, for example, of 450,000 Hungarian Jews' bodies in three> weeks - around 50,000 tons of corpses, by a small Sonderkommando in one> crematory building) [Internet link: see> http://www.fpp.co.uk/docs/trial3/DieZeit120400e.html]>> 3. why did you not accept David Irving's challenge, made three times> publicly in the courtroom, that he would halt the case in mid-trial if you> could find any evidence of the holes in the roof slab of Crematorium II at> Auschwitz - which still exists - through which "eye witnesses" in the payof> war-crimes prosecution teams claimed to have seen SS officers tipping the> Zyklon B granules? Your own chief witness Van Pelt said there are no such> holes in the slab, so somebody lied, right?>> 4. why are you afraid of free debate? You have said there is no debate,but> when push came to shove your highly paid Queen's Counsel felt it necessary> to fill the courtroom every day for three months with over thirty lawyers,> counsel, barristers, assistants, historians, and researchers, just tostand> up against Mr. Irving, who appeared in court alone. Was your case really> that weak?>> 5. why have you and your friends done all you can to muzzle Mr. Irving -by> putting pressure on publishers, broadcasters, television companies, and> governments not to allow him to speak or to publish his widelyacknowledged> books? What are you scared of?>> 6. in a trial which was about a very serious matter, why did you instruct> your counsel to resort to smear tactics, branding Mr. Irving as an> anti-Semite and a racist (although he, unlike your Counsel, frequently> employs ethnic minorities as his personal staff), and although neither> allegation was made in your book or pleaded in your initial Defence? Were> you frightened of fighting the case on the facts of history?>> 7. how much money have you made out of this trial (articles, speakingfees,> etc.) already? That's what it's about, isn't it - money?>> 8. do you think it right that your lawyers paid some of your so called> "neutral" expert witnesses a quarter of a million dollars in inducementsto> testify in your favour? Those six million dollars put up by Steven> Spielberg - you are a religious scholar: Have you never heard the Biblesay,> "Good wine needs no bush"? If your case is rock solid why was so muchmoney> swilling around that London courtroom? [Internet link:> http://www.fpp.co.uk/Legal/Penguin/experts/payments.html]>> 9. a new Zealand academic tribunal has just found that Prof. RichardEvans,> your chief witness, was guilty of grossly distorting, misquoting,> exaggerating, and polemicizing in his similar "expert report" on Dr. Joel> Hayward, and totally lacking in the objectivity that is expected by acourt> of an expert witness. How do you feel about Evans now? [Internet link:> http://www.fpp.co.uk/Legal/Penguin/experts/Evans/NZReportExtract.html]>> 10. have you read Norman Finkelstein's book, The Holocaust Industry. Is hea> racist and anti-Semite too?>> 11. you have argued in your books and articles that Jews should neverstoop> to marrying outside their religion and race. Is that not racism in its> purest and most evil form?>> 12. who paid your own multi-million dollar legal expenses, and why did the> British High Court, unusually, not allow you to reclaim them?>> 13. Judge Gray found in his Judgment that three of the statements you made> in your book against Mr Irving are in fact serious lies just as he claimed> (the Stockholm terrorist conference, the Hitler painting "above his desk",> the stealing or damaging of the Goebbels diaries from the Moscow archives.> Have you removed them from the book's latest editions?) (Answer: You have> not).>>>>>>What fraud? Stop trying to divert attention from whats important here. Also,how has David Irving got anything to do w/ 'reactivating the Nazi Party'?He's a historian - also used to be a very famous one too, until he realisedthe truth & stopped writing about the 'Holocaust', THAT was his crime. Ialso believed in it until I started looking at all these reports. Q: Ifthere was a 100% certainty it never happened, what evidence would stop youbelieving? A : NONE while you accept the staus quo.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_dQz86Ve8whttp://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=102884they would have acquired nuclear weapons, not the US. I think thatwould have sort of changed the outcome of the war, don't you? TheGermans were certainly researching the field, along with theirrocketry. But the majority of the great nuclear physicists wereJewish.In March 1933, the Jewish congregation of Berlin sent a statement toHitler affirming "the pledge that we belong to the German people; itis our sacred duty, our right and our deepest wish that we take anactive part in its renewal and rise." In 1936, the "Reich Associationof Jewish Front Soldiers" com�memorated their fallen comrades fromWorld War I with a ceremony in Berlin that stressed their loyalty tothe Fatherland. Out of 84,352 Jewish soldiers, 29,874 (=35.42 percent)were decorated. 19,545 (=23.17 percent) were promoted, out of these2,022 (=2.4 percent) became officers. In December 1935, the ReichPropaganda Ministry issued a decree forbidding Jewish soldiers to benamed among the dead in World War I memorials.(Peter Melcher, Weissensee. Ein Friedhof als Spiegelbild j�discher Ge�schichte in Berlin, Berlin: Haude & Spener, 1986).A higher percentage of German Jews fought in World War I than that ofany other ethnic, religious or political group in Germany. (Rigg,Bryan: Hitler�s Jewish Soldiers, University Press of Kansas, 2009)12,000 German Jews Who Died for their Fatherland in World War I.http://www.germanjewishsoldiers.com/introduction.phpGermany's Jewish airmen during WWI:http://people.sinclair.edu/thomasmartin/knights/After 1933, World War I veterans pinned on their medals and visitedlocal Nazi officials to emphasize their patriotism. (HauptsacheSchweigen, Marlies Flesch-Thebesius, Stuttgart: Radius Verlag, 1988).

Zapp Brannigan

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May 17, 2009, 7:33:50 PM5/17/09
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z wrote

The only reason why Hitler was a vegetarian was because he suffered from
chronic flatulence. And right wing book writer Jonah Goldberg says that is
why he was a Liberal. His vegetarian ways. And don't forget how Hitler's
Nazis believed in protecting the environment. Nazis are all about stopping
the Canadian Seal hunt!

That puts the Nazis right up there with the Gays! I wonder why neo-Nazis
don't march with Green Peace and the Dykes in parades?


I just love the way idiots view history.


Zapp Brannigan

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May 17, 2009, 7:39:12 PM5/17/09
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Prince Andy wrote

> http://www.nafcash.com/
>
> Lest you think there must be some truth to the alleged Treblinka holocaust
>
> NAFCASH TM is offering a $250,000.00 REWARD
>
> For locating JUST ONE of the alleged "HUGE MASS GRAVES" of Treblinka
>
> NAFCASH TM presents
>
> THE TREBLINKA CRIME SCENE INVESTIGATION CHALLENGE TM
>
> You must scientifically - forensically prove the grave's EXACT location,
> its EXACT dimensions and its EXACT volumetric density.
>
> The cremated remains must total AT LEAST one percent of the alleged mass
> murder.
>
> JUST ONE MASS GRAVE! - JUST ONE PERCENT!
>

So? the fact that some imbecile is offering a fake pay off means that his idea
is legit?

I have a bridge for you. Where's your cheque book?

Zapp Brannigan

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May 17, 2009, 7:41:03 PM5/17/09
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Prince Andy wrote

> http://americandefenseleague.com/whyhitlr.htm Why Hitler Came to Power:
> One Rabbi's Explanation - By Rabbi Dr. Manfred Reifer - We played with the
> most holy possessions of the people and at times made fun of all that was
> sacred to the nation.
>

Oh! One Rabbi says so!

I know at least 20 Australians on Usenet who say that you guys suck.

And you have one Rabbi that says that the Jews were behind the big plot?

20 to one.

You lose. You couldn't even catch up with a touchdown and a field goal.

Loser.


Zapp Brannigan

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May 17, 2009, 7:46:37 PM5/17/09
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z wrote

> canadians are americans, they just aren't part of the US. same as
> mexicans.
> don't let the US bully you out of your identity, just because they
> picked a name for their country that would make them claim to be
> unitedstatesians.
>
>

Canadians are not Americans. We have a completely different history, a
completely different way of resolving our problems, a completely different
system of government, and like you; we have two sets of jurisprudence. You
have Lousiana Civil Code, we have Quebec Civil Code, you have British Common
Law, we have British Common Law.

We are, by all means good friends and cousins. We intermarry, we celebrate
the same values, we are a lot simlilar than opposite. But, we are not the
same.

For instance. Canada sells milk in plastic bags.

HD

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May 17, 2009, 8:44:30 PM5/17/09
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"Prince Andy" <an...@home.com> wrote in message
news:k11Ql.11822$y61....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

>
> "Roy" <wil...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:536d5fde-9d65-4d62...@p4g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
> On May 17, 3:39 pm, john....@gmail.com wrote:
>> On 17 May, 22:25, z <gzuck...@snail-mail.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On May 17, 4:02 pm, "Canuck57" <d...@nospam.net> wrote:
>>
>> > > "z" <gzuck...@snail-mail.net> wrote in message
>>
>> > >news:41b7aa98-84d2-4342...@e23g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
>> > > On May 17, 11:45 am, yp <y...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > If he hadn't been crazy enough to chase all the Jews out of
>> > > > Germany,
>> > > > they would have acquired nuclear weapons, not the US. I think that
>> > > > would have sort of changed the outcome of the war, don't you? The
>> > > > Germans were certainly researching the field, along with their
>> > > > rocketry. But the majority of the great nuclear physicists were
>> > > > Jewish.
>
>
>
> WARNING To People in Austria; Belgium; France; Germany;
> Israel; Spain and Switzerland. You can be fined,imprisoned or both for
> discussing the topics set forth in this article.
>
> Israeli stats
> http://www.ifamericansknew.org/
>

You got Jews on your brain, but without Jews you would have nothing on your
brain.

Zapp Brannigan

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May 17, 2009, 8:46:20 PM5/17/09
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z wrote

> he might have got away with it, after all there were enough "not our
> war" types in the US, except that his ally Japan was looking to
> dominate the pacific.
>
>

Well, my Dad went to war in 1940, after Britian and the Commonwealth declared
war on Germany in 1939.


We declared war on them.


And? Who can forget January 25th, 1942, when Thailand declared war on the
United States and England?


Kenneth McVay OBC

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May 17, 2009, 8:56:21 PM5/17/09
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In article <a87a7729-635b-4fed...@f28g2000pra.googlegroups.com>,
Mr.Smartypants <bc...@canada.com> wrote:
>On May 17, 9:13�am, Archie <akenn...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> On May 17, 10:08�am, "Canuck57" <d...@nospam.net> wrote:

>> > Yes it was close. �He was a brilliant (although warped) politician. �He did
>> > motivate Germany out of an economic mess.

>He didn't merely "motivate". He took control of the issuing of MONEY
>away from the Jewish banksters and gave it back to the State.

And thus bankrupted Germany.

Does that thrill you, Mr. Hamilton? Do you admire Hitler because he ruined
Germany financially before he ruined it physically?

(Does it hurt to be as stupid as you are, Mr. Hamilton?)

--
Has Edmonton's William Grosvenor obeyed the Court's
orders yet, and paid the $50,000 in damages and
additional substantial costs to Mr. Warman?
Tell it to the Judge: http://william-grosvenor.info

Zapp Brannigan

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May 17, 2009, 8:56:46 PM5/17/09
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HD wrote

I'm far less concerned about Jewish people like my doctor and dentist, but
more intrested in losers in life who can't get Jews off of their mind like
Prince. What makes them 'tick'?

Are they the same kind who from 140 years-ago put up signs in front of their
pubs saying "No Dogs, No Jews and No Irish Allowed?"


z

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May 17, 2009, 9:28:34 PM5/17/09
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On May 17, 7:22 pm, "Prince Andy" <a...@home.com> wrote:


> WARNING To People in ...
> Israel; .... You can be fined,imprisoned or both for


> discussing the topics set forth in this article.

Is this a good time to point out that the article in question is
something you guys found on the website of a mainstream Israeli
newspaper?

Zapp Brannigan

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May 17, 2009, 10:33:35 PM5/17/09
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john...@gmail.com wrote

>
> If nothing matters any more why don't we join the United States?
> What's the point of being British, when we might be Americans?
>
>

Well, ask Canada. We prefer to not be Americans. In fact, our incumbent
Conservative government is "left" of Obama by miles! And we have the metric
system too!

So, lets just say Kilometres.

Zapp Brannigan

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May 17, 2009, 11:02:13 PM5/17/09
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john...@gmail.com wrote
>
> What Is your take on defecating bears?
>

What part about
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Did you miss?

Logician

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May 18, 2009, 12:57:45 AM5/18/09
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And that is legal in your view?

You can be jailed for saying that.

Logician

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May 18, 2009, 1:02:16 AM5/18/09
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On May 18, 12:27 am, "Prince Andy" <a...@home.com> wrote:
> "Roy" <wila...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> Ø      The Jewish Agency delegation headed by Golda Meir (Meirson) ignored a

> German
> offer to allow Jews to emigrate to other countries for $250 a head, and the
> other Jewish groups  made no effort to influence the United States and the
> 32 other countries attending the conference to allow immigration of German
> and Austrian Jews.http://www.jews-for-allah.org/Jews-not-for-Judaism/Jews-who-helped-na...

You do not know your law. Many of the acts by the USA and the UK were
illegal in WWII. The USA and the UK killed large numbers of civilians,
including burning them alive, and with radiation sickness. The Home
Guard in the UK failed to meet the rules of war and was illegal.

You think that democracy is so great and capitalism is so good, then
look at the whole today: drugs, organised crime, poverty, corruption,
wars, terrorism. This is ideal in your mind?

Roy

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May 18, 2009, 1:06:12 AM5/18/09
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Need some back-up? Let me know when you get tired and I will spell you
off.
=

Zapp Brannigan

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May 18, 2009, 1:10:43 AM5/18/09
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Logician wrote

No I can't. You live in a fantasy.

How can I be jailed? What law? And how?

Physical assault? Grevious bodily harm?

You're an idealist.


Roy

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May 18, 2009, 1:11:57 AM5/18/09
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> I just love the way idiots view history.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

They love to distort history so that the friggin Nazis are seen as
angels and oh so humane and kindly.
=

dolf

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May 18, 2009, 1:50:04 AM5/18/09
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Your discourse here is a performance--nearly as good as that of Irish
Roman Catholic Cardinal Pell's capacity for public apology towards
impugning the rights of Dutch Protestant and Jewish Religious belief and
values being viable and healthy alternative as lifestyle choice!

- dolf
- http://www.grapple.id.au/Chronicles/automata.html

Kenneth McVay OBC

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May 18, 2009, 2:02:24 AM5/18/09
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In article <MPG.247ab7db5...@News.Individual.NET>,

Actually, assault in most jurisdictions is the threat to do bodily harm
while possessing the means to do so.

There's no need for physical attack - that's battery - the threat in and
of itself is illegal.

--
"...the antisemite is immune to refutation from either facts or logic.
An antisemite has chosen to live in hatred, without regard to either
facts or logic." (Matas, David. Bloody Speech, p. 37)
The Nizkor Project: http://www.nizkor.org

Greatest Mining Pioneer of Australia of all Times

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May 18, 2009, 2:24:33 AM5/18/09
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On May 18, 4:41 am, kangarooistan <kangarooist...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you Mr Kanga for that update on the real state of the Kingdom.
What I quickly NOTICED was the administrators looked after themselves
very well with an 8% commission on all investments which for both MIS
is in the level of the 2 000 millions ...

The shares from 5$ in 2005 having been stopped at 12c a few days ago,
it appears clearly that mental sickness of those greedy bastards is
not cured as yet !
Indeed that 1.8 Billions for Great Southern allegedly assets is in
fact Ghost money never to be recovered by selling assets unable to
produce dividends

The real assets of Timbercorp and Great Southern are in fact reflected
by the drop in their share values in clear only 100 times less than
their book value THAT IS 18 MILLIONS WITH A 800 MILLIONS SLATE FOR ONE
AND THE SAME FOR THE OTHER !

This is as you well know one of the result of Australia Collective
Crimes and the fact that ALL RAIN IS LOCK OUT UNTIL ROYAL INQUIRIES
ORDERED INTO ABOMINABLE COLLECTIVE CRIMES ...

... as the 1 666 Australian Farmers murdered in cold blood since
beginning 2006
... as the 300 poor people barbecued in the recent Mega fires in
Victoria ( of which I had warned all)
... as the 80 000 shareholders of both Great Southern & Timbercorp
... as the other soon victims of the enforced Divine Drudging Drought

NO RELEASE FROM THE COLLECTIVE CHASTISEMENT WILL TAKE PLACE UNTIL SIR
JEAN-PAUL TURCAUD IS BACK IN THE LAND HE LOVED BEST ONCE AND THE RAIN
COMES BACK TO THE PARCHED LAND TO MAKE THE MURRAY RUN AGAIN ABOVE ITS
BANKS !

Of course the greedy, ignorant & hard nailed materialist criminals are
unable to understand how from here I can order things to happen in
Australia, simply since I fasted once 40 days in the Australia Desert
and speak direct to the representative of the 3 kingdoms of
Australia ... and further every day that Our Almighty Celtic God
makes, I roam in spirit over the land, the sea, the underground & the
atmosphere of Australia ! I HAVE NEVER BEEN AWAY A SINGLE DAY NOR A
SINGLE NIGHT FROM THE LAND I LOVED BEST ONCE

Je commande et la Nature obeit à ma voix

et par son geste

Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud
Australia Mining Pioneer

Zapp Brannigan

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May 18, 2009, 2:39:45 AM5/18/09
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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote

> In article <MPG.247ab7db5...@News.Individual.NET>,
> Zapp Brannigan <cen...@live.ca> wrote:
> >Logician wrote
> >> On May 18, 12:27�am, Zapp Brannigan <cent...@live.ca> wrote:
> >> > Prince Andy wrote
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > � WARNING To People in Austria; Belgium; France; Germany;
> >> > > � Israel; Spain and Switzerland. You can be fined,imprisoned or both for
> >> > > � discussing the topics set forth in this article.
> >> >
> >> > > � Israeli stats
> >> > > �http://www.ifamericansknew.org/
> >> >
> >> > Who cares about their laws?
> >> >
> >> > Fly a Swastikia in my face, and I will beat the shit out of you.
> >> >
> >> > And I'm not Jewish.
> >>
> >> And that is legal in your view?
> >>
> >> You can be jailed for saying that.
> >>
> >
> >No I can't. You live in a fantasy.
> >
> >How can I be jailed? What law? And how?
>
> Actually, assault in most jurisdictions is the threat to do bodily harm
> while possessing the means to do so.
>
> There's no need for physical attack - that's battery - the threat in and
> of itself is illegal.
>

I wasn't born yesterday. The fundamentals of the law are easy for me.

I was kidding.


On the other hand, when I played Jr. A and smashed my opponents into the
boards, or fought in games, was that 'assault'? We met for beers following
the game!

Don't shoot me, I'm only the piano player. :)

Zapp Brannigan

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May 18, 2009, 2:46:27 AM5/18/09
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dolf wrote

> Your discourse here is a performance--nearly as good as that of Irish
> Roman Catholic Cardinal Pell's capacity for public apology towards
> impugning the rights of Dutch Protestant and Jewish Religious belief and
> values being viable and healthy alternative as lifestyle choice!
>

My great grandfather and his father would leave their farm in Sutton Ontario
and go to Toronto, get drunk as Orangemen at the Miller Tavern, and then march
on once a year into Toronto to piss off "the Micks". The Marching Days.

They were Irish, just not Catholic Irish.

Not my style at all. I married Catholic, French Canadian. Almost as tough
as marrying Italian Roman Catholic.

But what my ancestors did was really wild. And a matter of yearly conduct!

Not for me at all.


Zapp Brannigan

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May 18, 2009, 2:51:04 AM5/18/09
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Roy wrote

>
> They love to distort history so that the friggin Nazis are seen as
> angels and oh so humane and kindly.
> =
>

I've never met a NAZI that i've liked. Poor me.

Boed...@isp.com

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May 18, 2009, 3:52:19 AM5/18/09
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How many Nazis have you met and did they tell you they were Nazis or
did you
just assume it? Do you think that everyone who dislikes the jew is a
Nazi? Do you
think that all those soldiers who fought in WW2 and landed on the
beaches of
Normandy all looooooooooved their jew landlords? If not, were *they*
Nazis?

 Poor me.

Yes, you do appear to have more than a few problems. Stick to facts
and the facts
of history before you go around calling people Nazis.

'Communism is jewish"
Henry Ford

Was *he* a Nazi?

dolf

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May 18, 2009, 3:57:18 AM5/18/09
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The Marching Days.

@memeBrain [Telos: #1226, Super: #38 - Consequences for Virtuosity/
Discourse of Virtue; I-Ching: H62 - Small Excess; Tetra: 11 -
Divergence, Ego: #11 - Value of Non-Existence/ Function of the
Non-Existent; I-Ching: H8 - Seeking Unity; Tetra: 33 - Closeness]

Male Idea: #165 has 0 Categories:

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Loathes; #1, #90, #30, #10, #5, #6 = n. Yah Has Selected; #2, #30, #10,
#70, #30 = Worthlessness, wickedness; destruction; destroyer; #2, #20,
#70, #40 = n. Destroyer; Ballam; #8, #4, #100, #30 = n. Sharp, swift
Flowing, the river Tigris; #10, #20, #6, #50, #50, #6 = He fashioned us;
#40, #6, #90, #1, #5 = Out-goings, descents or lineages; privies or
sewers; #50, #90, #2 = To be set over; to set oneself, to take one's
stand; to be set up or stand up (said of men, sheaves, waters), to be
firm or healthy; #50, #90, #2 = Handle or haft (of a tanged blade); an
officer or prefect; #70, #7, #50, #10, #5 = A species of eagle;

English Words: aide-de-camp; basil; biggish; book; charm; cheapen;
chiffon; chilblain; clash; dribble; ember; false; frame; germ; gladiola;
indigence; kraal; macabre; manageable; manna; march; papa; poach;
riddle; sheik

They were Irish,

@memeBrain [Telos: #1729, Super: #54 - Culturing Perspectives/
Cultivation of Intuition; I-Ching: H55 - Abundance; Tetra: 45 -
Greatness, Ego: #28 - Opposites and Primitivism/ Returning to
Simplicity; I-Ching: H24 - Turning Point; Tetra: 2 - Full Circle]

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Brother of Anger; #1, #8, #200, #10 = After; #2, #100, #2, #100, #10, #5
= n. Emptying by Yah, or Skin bottle of Yah; #9, #5, #200, #5 = A
purifying, cleansing; purity; #9, #200, #10 = Fresh; #10, #3, #6, #200 =
Fearful; n. Tarrying Place; #10, #200, #9 = To throw down headlong; to
throw, cast down; to be rash, headlong;

English Words: amperage; beachcomber; beget; benchmark; betcha;
birdseed; calfskin; carrel; chalkboard; comaker; disgrace; dishrag;
dislodge; empire; enforce; fireplace; graphical; heft; high-speed;
impair; mechanics; mischance; nominee; nosed; palsied; panhandle;
prance; predicable; refinance; risk; rodeo; shark; smidgin

Female Idea: #170 has 0 Categories:

just not Catholic Irish.

@memeBrain [Telos: #1450, Super: #29 - Deeming/ Non-Assertion; I-Ching:
H36 - Sinking Light; Tetra: 67 - Darkening, Ego: #73 - Employing
Deeming/ Daring to Act; I-Ching: H46 - Moving Upward; Tetra: 7 - Ascent]

Male Idea: #248 has 0 Categories:

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Not my style at all.

@memeBrain [Telos: #2347, Super: #15 - Mastering Guiding Discourse/
Revealers of Virtue; I-Ching: H61 - Inner Truth; Tetra: 1 - Centre, Ego:
#79 - Recognizing Agreements/ Keep Your Obligations; I-Ching: H56 -
Wanderer; Tetra: 31 - Packing]

Male Idea: #263 has 7 Categories: #1, #2, #10, #50, #200 = n. Father is
Light; #3, #200, #60 = To break or crush; #5, #80, #50, #10, #40, #30,
#8, #40 = The shew-bread; #10, #40, #90, #8, #8, #7, #100 = Firm of
front, impudent; #50, #8, #200, #5 = Snorting; #60, #3, #200 = To cut
off or separate; to shut up, keep close; to close;

English Words: agent; antic; basso; beaten; blondish; boat; cinnamon;
colonnade; complain; cot; croon; decant; delight; dint; domineer;
elision; fingerling; gosling; hadn't; horse; increase; messiah;
milliner; noncom; operable; ordnance; pergola; plodder; reforge;
regarding; sailfish; scolding; seaboard; shellacking; shore; skin-deep;
spangle; then

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prop; #50, #50, #20, #200, #2 = A foreigner; #2, #200, #50, #70 = n.
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Need, necessity; #10, #2, #10, #300 = n. He Shares or Dry; #10, #5, #6,
#1, #300 = n. Yah supports; #10, #200, #2, #70, #40 = n. People's
Contention, Jarobam --- founder of the kingdom of Israel; #10, #300,
#10, #2 = n. He Restores; #20, #2, #300 = To tread, trample on, to
subdue, to cleanse; to subjugate; to force (a woman), rape; to glow, to
burn; to tread on, to leap on, to propagate; a footstool; a he-lamb, a
young ram; #20, #300, #2 = A he-lamb; #70, #2, #200, #10, #40 = Passers
by; #70, #2, #200, #10, #40 = n. Hebrews (those descended from Eber,
(see #282); #70, #2, #200, #10, #40 = n. Crossings or Passes; #70, #2,
#200, #50 = n. Passage;

English Words: ageist; altar; antigen; boot; cordillera; dealership;
dieresis; docent; eggbeater; firecracker; flatland; foreigner; fudge;
gelignite; gentian; groper; hard-nosed; heist; inoperable; inshore;
insomniac; leadership; niceness; obtain; salamander; seconds; shamrock;
sheath; shirker; songbird; thiamine; tonic; trick

I married Catholic,

@memeBrain [Telos: #562, Super: #35 - Great Guiding Signs?/ Virtue of
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- Strength's Warning Signs/ Revealers of Virtue; I-Ching: H20 -
Contemplation; Tetra: 64 - Sinking]

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steep; ore; #1, #30, #5, #10, #50, #2, #200 = Son(s) of the gods; #8,
#40, #200, #50 = n. Ruddy; #8, #90, #200 = To fence around, enclose; to
sing, to sound forth bright and clear; to be bright or green, to bloom;
court, yard; a village; #8, #200, #10, #80 = n. Autumn Rain; #8, #200,
#90 = To cut in, to scratch; to cut to a point, to sharpen; to decide;
to gird oneself, to be active; loins; to shine, glitter; #70, #7, #200,
#10, #5, #6 = n. Help of Yah; #70, #20, #2, #6, #200 = n. Mouse;

English Words: afloat; bookmaker; carcass; climactic; commandeer;
copper; corner; cremains; cress; derriere; elegant; gloat; grass;
herdsman; hoops; loth; militia; oblate; orgasm; ramshackle; seafarer;
slosh; soldier; takeoff; ticking

Female Idea: #398 has 8 Categories: #8, #40, #300, #10, #40 = Fifty;
armed men, girded men; #8, #80, #300, #10 = Free; #8, #300, #10, #80 =
What is divided off; flock; #8, #300, #40, #50 = Splendid; wealthy,
noble; #40, #200, #8, #100, #10, #40 = Distant parts; #40, #200, #100,
#8, #10, #40 = Perfumes, aromatic herbs; #70, #20, #300, #6, #2 = Adder
or asp;

English Words: acclamation; agrarianism; bastard; baster; billionth;
bluing; braggart; breast; bungled; cementer; cerement; closet; comment;
crest; cure; dopiness; duckbill; ecru; engulf; erratic; faltering;
hearing-impaired; hiccough; horror; instil; maintainable; medium;
modernism; moldiness; nonfatal; offspring; pacifist; petrified;
phenomenon; photo; pointed; pro-choicer; scaliness; scorner; sharkskin;
sloth; unchecked

French Canadian.

@memeBrain [Telos: #281, Super: #2 - Contrast of Terms/ Self-Culture;
I-Ching: H11 - Peace; Tetra: 16 - Contact, Ego: #38 - Consequences for
Virtuosity/ Discourse of Virtue; I-Ching: H62 - Small Excess; Tetra: 11
- Divergence]

Male Idea: #300 has 22 Categories:

Shin = 360/1010 = Tooth; #2, #70, #2, #6, #200, #20 = For thy sake; #8,
#200, #90, #2 = A tight cord; pangs; #10, #90, #200 = To press together;
to straiten; to be pressed together; to be distressing, perplexing; to
cut; to form, fashion; to create; to produce, arrange; to devise,
design; a potter, statuary; a shaping, thought; frame or constitution; a
device, pattern; an image; n. Form; formed, fashioned; #20, #80, #200 =
To cover; to forgive; to bind or combine, to be strong, vigorous;
village, hamlet; pitch cypress flower (Henna); a ransom; expiations,
atonement; #20, #200, #20, #60 = n. Eagle; #20, #200, #40, #10, #30 =
Crimson, crimson cloth; #40, #20, #40, #200 = A net, hunter's net; nets;
#40, #40, #20, #200 = A sale; a thing for sale or sold; possession; #40,
#50, #5, #200, #5 = Riverbed or channel; cleft or den; #40, #60, #200 =
To transmit; #40, #60, #200 = To venture, dare; to risk oneself,
volunteer; #40, #60, #200 = Admonition, instruction; #40, #70, #40,
#100, #10, #40 = Depths; #40, #100, #90, #70 = An angle or corner, a
nook; #40, #200, #60 = n. Meritorious; #60, #40, #200 = To be prickly,
to bristle; to shudder; #60, #40, #200 = Hairy or bristly; #70, #200,
#30 = The foreskin; to circumcise; to expose one's foreskin; #70, #200,
#30 = Uncircumcised, dull, unfeeling; #1, #30, #5, #10, #40, #200, #6,
#8 = Spirit of the god(s), breath of the god(s);

English Words: admissible; bibliographic; chaperonage; craft; dater;
freshman; girlfriend; harass; jolt; length; long-range; madness;
megalith; menses; moron; moss; mot; neglect; peignoir; phonics; phrasal;
pops; priggish; rabbet; spellbind; spiral; tandem; tom; trade; tread;
tree; u

Female Idea: #436 has 4 Categories: #30, #6, #400 = With, by; #9, #40,
#7, #70, #200, #40, #70 = A very little time; #40, #30, #6, #300, #50,
#10 = Slandering;

English Words: appraiser; arguable; biochemist; blister; bristle;
crucial; errant; fascinating; ferule; flippant; fungoid; hangup;
heartsick; hedonist; horseshoe; imagination; irritable; latte; lave;
makeup; malefactor; maltose; maraud; master; millionth; molasses;
nonmetal; paraphrase; percentage; phonographic; programmable; rainproof;
ransomer; ranter; record-breaking; refuel; remnant; stream; tapper;
tassel; trample; unfeigned; vale; veal; vela

Almost as tough as marrying Italian Roman Catholic.

@memeBrain [Telos: #3050, Super: #16 - Being a Guide/ Returning to the
Root; I-Ching: H28 - Excess; Tetra: 75 - Failure, Ego: #53 - Increasing
Evidence/ Gaining Insight; I-Ching: H13 - Companionship; Tetra: 53 -
Eternity]

Male Idea: #316 has 13 Categories: #1, #2, #10, #300, #3 = n. Father of
Wandering; #1, #300, #10, #5 = Support, foundation; #8, #300, #6, #2 =
n. Thoughtful; #8, #300, #8 = To be needful; to have need; #10, #4, #2,
#300 = n. Honeyed; #10, #200, #6, #100 = Green thing; #10, #5, #6, #5,
#1, #8, #200, #10, #40, #30, #1 = To fill up after the Lord (to follow
Yahweh fully); #40, #70, #6, #200 = Nakedness or penis; #60, #50, #6,
#200 = Blindness; #6, #50, #100, #90, #70 = Crime of the end (ie.
fatal); #70, #200, #6, #40 = Naked; barely clad, ragged; half dressed;
#70, #200, #6, #40 = Sly or crafty; prudent, sagacious;

English Words: abscissa; atone; birdbath; bright; chest; cockfight;
copperhead; declension; defeater; dither; duff; embossed; federate;
fender-bender; font; gist; huh; indelicate; infant; insofar; isomeric;
legionnaire; liberalism; limbless; meeting; mooring; morocco;
nonbreakable; oaten; season; self-defense; signor; sneering; sparkle;
spherical; taker; teeming

Female Idea: #489 has 2 Categories: #9, #80, #400 = A drop;

English Words: astrolabe; believable; capstone; cellular; correctable;
curare; curling; dehumidifier; echolocation; fascination; fifteenth;
fogbound; friskiness; indirection; jacquard; kleptomaniac; listener;
loiterer; merriness; midstream; misdiagnosis; mistook; oldster;
parathion; perceptible; petite; piston; quash; reclamation; reenlist;
reflector; rubber; shoptalk; smuggle; spitfire; terrier; timeless; torpedo

But what my ancestors did was really wild.

@memeBrain [Telos: #4577, Super: #18 - Origin of Ethical Concepts/
Palliation of Vulgarity; I-Ching: H33 - Withdrawal; Tetra: 49 - Flight,
Ego: #41 - Playing with Reversal/ Sameness in Difference; I-Ching: H26 -
Restraining Force; Tetra: 60 - Accumulation]

Male Idea: #334 has 7 Categories: #8, #200, #6, #40, #80 = n. Snubnosed;
#8, #300, #6, #20 = Darkness; #20, #300, #4, #10 = Chaldeans; Chaldea;
astrologers; magician; #30, #300, #4 = To lick or suck; sap, juice,
moisture; vigour; a moist or sweet cake; #4, #5, #50, #5, #200, #70 = As
far as the river; #70, #40, #10, #8, #6, #200 = n. Noble People;

English Words: antigenic; archdiocesan; arranger; basalt; bulb; captain;
careless; cenobite; chuck; claimant; dinginess; disaffect; fission;
forceps; grasping; halter; holograph; indigent; inept; inflatable;
lather; liter; litre; morphing; omniscience; pageant; ripper; screamer;
self-reliance; slasher; tap-dance; tiler; treacle

Female Idea: #530 has 10 Categories: #8, #2, #90, #30, #400 = Lily,
bright meadow saffron.; #30, #80, #10, #4, #6, #400 = n. Torches; #40,
#40, #200, #200, #10, #40 = Bitternesses or sorrows; #50, #80, #400 = To
breathe or blow; #50, #80, #400 = Breezy; a height or hill; #50, #80,
#400 = Distilling or dropping; #40, #400, #10, #60, #6, #4, #10 = My
associates; #1, #2, #200, #40, #5, #70, #2, #200, #10 = Abram the Hebrew
or Abram the Emigrant; #70, #400, #50, #10 = n. Powerful;

English Words: appendicitis; aweigh; bucket; caravel; cattleman;
companionship; concretion; configure; cupboard; cushion; defeatist;
directions; discretion; disfigure; eardrum; elver; enrolment; espresso;
esthetic; inhabitant; innerspring; letter; lever; matrimonial; molester;
moonlighting; moralist; no-nonsense; off-hour; opus; oscilloscope;
permeation; precincts; prompt; proneness; pronto; proton; qualifier;
revel; rival; saucepan; shorthanded; soup; sponsor; straggler;
streamline; tectonic; viral; wedgie; week

And a matter of yearly conduct!

@memeBrain [Telos: #2804, Super: #19 - Argument for Ethical Anarchism/
Returning to Simplicity; I-Ching: H57 - Gentle Penetration; Tetra: 58 -
Gathering In, Ego: #50 - Fantasies of Avoiding Death/ Estimation of
Life; I-Ching: H2 - Passive Principle/Earth; Tetra: 77 - Compliance]

Male Idea: #353 has 13 Categories: #1, #30, #10, #300, #10, #2 = n. God
Restores; #1, #300, #2, #50 = n. Thoughtful; #1, #300, #50, #2 = A
window, lattice; #2, #1, #300, #10, #40 = Badgrapes, wild grapes; #3,
#300, #50 = n. Fertile; #70, #4, #200, #3, #30, #40, #6 = Tottering or
weak in the feet; #40, #200, #100, #8, #5 = A spicing or seasoning;
unguent-pot; #40, #300, #6, #2, #5 = A turning away or going back;
backsliding, apostasy; #40, #300, #8, #5 = For anointing; a portion;
#50, #3, #300 = To come close, approach; to draw back, give place; #50,
#3, #300 = To drive, urge on; to exact a debt of; to rule; to be
pressed, harrassed; to harass one another; to be wearied, distressed;
#50, #300, #3 = To attach or seize; to reach, come up with; to overtake;
to acquire;

English Words: ablation; abort; argent; bareness; center; classifier;
commons; corsair; crash-landing; cross; demerit; ellipsis; fathomable;
fibulae; garnet; giblets; lethargic; luck; mastic; midst; mincemeat;
recent; reckless; reconfirm; sapphire; tangelo; thinking

Female Idea: #580 has 0 Categories:

Not for me at all.

@memeBrain [Telos: #773, Super: #39 - Achieving Oneness/ Root of Order;
I-Ching: H28 - Excess; Tetra: 76 - Aggravation, Ego: #44 - Moderate
Values/ Setting Up Precepts; I-Ching: H1 - Creative Principle/Heaven;
Tetra: 36 - Strength]

Male Idea: #392 has 3 Categories: #1, #60, #80, #200, #50, #1 =
Diligently, carefully, speedily; #40, #2, #300, #10, #40 = Penises
(plural);

English Words: alignment; aura; backslapper; bleariness; blossom; bur;
collocate; colonialism; cordless; crosscheck; depreciate; diametrical;
dissimilar; estimable; floater; footing; fullback; gentlemen; helium;
impatience; inclement; infection; integral; launch; lunge; man-eater;
miasmata; neoclassical; nightshade; noncriminal; numb; orbital;
parakeet; rafter; rub; sailboarder; snakebite; triangle

Female Idea: #624 has 0 Categories:

William Black

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May 18, 2009, 4:58:08 AM5/18/09
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:

> All Hitler had to do to win WW2 was:
> a) Use captured Russian troops to fight Stalin, with bogus promises
of a
> "Free Russia" (after the war)

He tried that. It didn't produce enough men to make a difference.
They all got captured by the US and UK after D-Day as they were in
France by then. They were handed back to Stalin after the war and
promptly executed.

I do have to add that the USSR gave us our traitors back and we shot a
couple of them...

> b) Not declare war on the USA

Well no. The British atom bomb beats him in about 1948.

Put the words 'Tube Alloys' into a search engine some time...

--
William Black

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SaPeIsMa_On_the_Road

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May 18, 2009, 7:37:10 AM5/18/09
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"Logician" <sa...@logicians.com> wrote in message
news:3c8ac6fb-8aa5-4085...@n21g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
> � The Jewish Agency delegation headed by Golda Meir (Meirson) ignored a
#
# You do not know your law. Many of the acts by the USA and the UK were
# illegal in WWII. The USA and the UK killed large numbers of civilians,
# including burning them alive, and with radiation sickness. The Home
# Guard in the UK failed to meet the rules of war and was illegal.
#

Please state the specific law..
And the body that had jurisdiction to enforce said law...

#
# You think that democracy is so great and capitalism is so good, then
# look at the whole today: drugs, organised crime, poverty, corruption,
# wars, terrorism. This is ideal in your mind?
#

Well, it may not be the greatest, but it's still a hell of a lot better that
ANYTHING else that has come into existence..
As to your list of sins,"drugs, organized crime, poverty, corruption, wars,
terrorism", too bad that they are NOT unique to "democracy and capitalism",
but are endemic to ALL societies..
Oh and by the way, NO 2 real democracies have declared war or committed
terrorist acts on each other yet.


Vera

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May 18, 2009, 8:41:29 AM5/18/09
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Kixi...@hotmail.com wrote
> Still photos and newsreel of Hitler taken in the 1930s indicate he was
> extremely popular. Is this in dispute?
>

You foreigners don't speak good enough English, you're not white and your food
smells up the neighbourhood.
Give me one reason why we shouldn't shoot you and kill your children?

You need to get out of here and go home to where ever the fuck you are from.

The Doctor

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May 18, 2009, 10:08:14 AM5/18/09
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In article <ycidnc8FzpKoL43X...@vex.net>,

Kenneth McVay OBC <kmc...@shell.vex.net> wrote:
>In article <a87a7729-635b-4fed...@f28g2000pra.googlegroups.com>,
>Mr.Smartypants <bc...@canada.com> wrote:
>>On May 17, 9:13�am, Archie <akenn...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> On May 17, 10:08�am, "Canuck57" <d...@nospam.net> wrote:
>
>>> > Yes it was close. �He was a brilliant (although warped) politician. �He did
>>> > motivate Germany out of an economic mess.
>
>>He didn't merely "motivate". He took control of the issuing of MONEY
>>away from the Jewish banksters and gave it back to the State.
>
>And thus bankrupted Germany.
>
>Does that thrill you, Mr. Hamilton? Do you admire Hitler because he ruined
>Germany financially before he ruined it physically?
>
>(Does it hurt to be as stupid as you are, Mr. Hamilton?)
>

You should see his performance in rec.arts.drwho and can.comunity.miltary .

This Waffen SS Trooper is a chronic insane liar.
--
Member - Liberal International This is doc...@nl2k.ab.ca
Ici doc...@nl2k.ab.ca God, Queen and country! Beware Anti-Christ rising!
Never Satan President Republic!
If you cannot lead a family how can you pastor a church?

Dirk Bruere at NeoPax

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May 18, 2009, 1:15:10 PM5/18/09
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William Black wrote:
> Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
>
>
>
>> All Hitler had to do to win WW2 was:
>> a) Use captured Russian troops to fight Stalin, with bogus promises
> of a
>> "Free Russia" (after the war)
>
> He tried that. It didn't produce enough men to make a difference.
> They all got captured by the US and UK after D-Day as they were in
> France by then. They were handed back to Stalin after the war and
> promptly executed.

He tried it too late.
The time was when the Germans were being welcomed as saviours - not
after they massacred the locals.

> I do have to add that the USSR gave us our traitors back and we shot a
> couple of them...
>
>> b) Not declare war on the USA
>
> Well no. The British atom bomb beats him in about 1948.

Since the Nazis were on the verge of having a working heavy water
reactor in 1945 by 48 they would also have nukes. And a long range
missile capability.

FFF
Dirk

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http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
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z

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May 18, 2009, 4:25:28 PM5/18/09
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On May 18, 3:52 am, "Boedi...@isp.com" <Boedi...@isp.com> wrote:

> 'Communism is jewish"
> Henry Ford
>
> Was *he* a Nazi?

snerk.
Before or after he received the Grand Cross of the German Eagle in
July 1938 (four months after the annexation of Austria)?
http://www.amazon.com/American-Axis-Henry-Charles-Lindbergh/dp/0312290225#

"Am I crazy, or are the Jews behind everything?"
-Adolf Hitler

z

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May 18, 2009, 4:26:37 PM5/18/09
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On May 17, 7:32 pm, "Prince Andy" <a...@home.com> wrote:

>
> Lest you think there must be some truth to the alleged Treblinka holocaust
>
>  NAFCASH TM is offering a $250,000.00 REWARD
>
>  For locating JUST ONE of the alleged "HUGE MASS GRAVES" of Treblinka
>

so much for that story that the Jews control all the money.

z

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May 18, 2009, 4:30:12 PM5/18/09
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On May 17, 5:20 pm, Butteye Jest <bendard...@gotTshirt.com> wrote:

> Hitler created targets for the people to direct their hate towards, much
> like Bush has done. Hitler first targeted the people who lived more
> liberally, compared to Hitler, who started out as a staunch
> authoritarian christian-indoctrinated charismatic leader. He initially
> wore a "better than thou" christian cloak and went after cleaning up the
> whorehouse debauchery in Germany at the time.
>
> --
> Ole Butteye- Hide quoted text -


>
> - Show quoted text -

A dog who isn't very smart will always bark at what you point his nose
towards. A smart one will look around to see if there's maybe
something else he should be barking at.

Kenneth McVay OBC

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May 18, 2009, 4:39:24 PM5/18/09
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In article <847b4bf1-f983-4eac...@e20g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>,

NAFCASH, for some strange reason, refuses to disclose where this alleged
reward is held in trust.

Gosh, you don't suppose that's because it doesn't exist?

--
"No wonder years after the war was over he found some more
diaries of Ann Frank and she did not know about it."
(Kurt Knoll, Kitimat, B.C.'s Leading Revisionist Scholar)
The Nizkor Project: http://www.nizkor.org/

Docky Wocky

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May 18, 2009, 5:27:50 PM5/18/09
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This is really great.

So, some dingbat troupe of wannabee Nazi admirers is offering a $250,000.00
reward for locating any one of the alleged mass graves at Treblinka, and
some idiot might actually believe they are good for it if proof was offered.

This offer would be suspect even if the cash was already in a third party
hand awaiting the arrival of proofs.

And if some moron comes in (where?) with a burnt bone or two with a 9mm
Luger slug still stuck in it and says he dug from a hole somewhere around
the former Treblinka Concentration Camp, the dingbat wannabee Nazis would
welch on that one faster than a dog could take a crap on their jackboots.

The problem with Nazis and Nazi wannabees is they have no sense of humor.

If someone said there was a cache of Nazi gold buried somewhere around
Treblinka, those bone piles would be found faster than shit slides off a
stick.


Topaz

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May 18, 2009, 7:15:36 PM5/18/09
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"Precisely because we are nationally minded, for that very reason we
have respect for the national feelings of other peoples. And our
national pride does not mean we scorn other peoples, it means that we
respect and love our own people. It is precisely the Internationalists
who prevent peoples from coming to understand one another."
Adolf Hitler

"Not hatred toward other peoples, but love toward the German nation."
Hitler, Berlin October 24, 1933

General Leon Degrelle was the leader of the Belgian contingent of the
Waffen SS. He was in 75 hand-to-hand combat actions against the
Marxists. This is what he wrote:
"German racialism has been deliberately distorted. It never was
"anti-other race"... National Socialist racialism was not against the
other races, it was for its own race. It aimed at defending and
improving its race and wished that all other races did the same for
themselves. It was demonstrated when the Waffen
SS enlarged its ranks to include 60,000 Islamic SS troops.
The Waffen SS respected their way of life, their customs and their
religious beliefs. Each Islamic SS battalion had an iman; each company
had a mullah. It was our common wish that their qualities found their
highest expression... I was present when each of my Islamic comrades
received a personal gift from Hitler during the new year. It was a
pendant with a small Koran. He was honouring them with what was the
most important aspect of their lives and their history."

http://www.ihr.org/ www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/

http://www.natvan.com http://www.nsm88.org

http://heretical.com/

Topaz

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May 18, 2009, 7:16:21 PM5/18/09
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It's a Wonderful Race

by James Bronson
There once was a college freshman named George who thought he knew it
all. One night over dinner, George got into an argument with his
father. The argument began when the young student tried to explain to
his father that as White people, they should be held accountable for
all the evils that they had inflicted upon non-Whites throughout
history. George explained: "Because of European racism, we stole the
Indians' land, we held blacks in slavery, we persecuted the Jews, and
we plundered the environment. We've been oppressive racists for
thousands of years so it's only fair that we pay economic reparations
for all the harm we've done to the world. I'm pleased to see that we
are ending our political and economic domination of the oppressed
peoples."

George's dad was shocked to hear such talk. "Who put such commie-pinko
nonsense into your head, boy? Did one of your sandal-wearing hippie
college professors teach you that?" the father asked.

To which the son replied: "That's the truth dad. My anthropology
professor, Dr.Irving Silverstein, says so. He ought to know. Dr.
Silverstein is a well-respected Ph.D. People of your generation just
don't understand because you were raised in a White supremacist racist
society. That's why I've come to admire Dr. Rev. Martin Luther King as
the greatest man in American history. He stood up to the racists of
your generation. Because of him, my generation of White kids is
completely colorblind."

The father angrily replied: "That's bullshit! I've always been
fair-minded and tolerant of people from all backgrounds and races. I
haven't 'oppressed' anybody, and furthermore there's nothing wrong
with being proud of one's own people, including the European race of
people. Your race is in your blood. It's like an extension of your
biological family and you ought to be proud of your European heritage
and identity, just like every other racial group in America is proud
of its. Why is it OK for them to have a strong sense of racial
identity but it's evil for us Europeans to feel that way?"

The young "intellectual" laughed at his father. "Come on dad, that's
the kind of crap Hitler tried to peddle. Those racist attitudes were
discredited years ago. There's only one race and that's the human
race. Diversity is our greatest strength. Differences in so-called
"race" are as insignificant as differences in belly buttons. And
besides, UN statistics now show that low White birth rates, along with
the fact that we live in an multicultural
society, will mean that Europeans and their ethnocentrist and racist
culture will have died out by the end of the century," young George
said.

Turning red with anger, the father yelled: "You are a walking clich�
you know that boy? And you think it's a good thing that the European
peoples of the world will have faded out and ceased to exist?" Young
George replied; "I think it's great! It will mean the end of racism
and the end of hate. The oppressed peoples of the world would have
been better off if us racist Europeans had never existed to begin
with."

Suddenly there was a blast of cold wind, an explosion, and a huge
smoke cloud. When the smoke had settled, George found himself alone
and lost in a cold open field. An angel named Clarence then appeared
to him and said "Well George, you've got your wish."

George asked: "Where am I? What's going on here? And who are you?"

The angel answered, "George, I'm Clarence the Angel. I was sent here
to show you what the world would have been like if Europeans, or
Whites, had never existed. You now live in a world where Europeans
never existed."

"Oh. That's cool. I'll have no problem adapting because there's not a
racist bone in my body. And when I get back to my world, I'll be able
to tell my professor and my friends how great this non-racist world
was. Say, I'm freezing my ass off out here. Where's the nearest
motel?"

"Motel?" replied the angel. "There are no motels here in what was once
called North America. But there are some caves up in those mountains
where you can find shelter."

"Caves? No way man. I want a nice warm bed to sleep in."

"I don't think you understand George. There are no buildings here in
non-white America because the evil Europeans never came here to build
them. Whites never existed, remember? The natives live in tents. Would
you like to go meet some local Indians? Perhaps they'll let you stay
in a tent."

"A tent? But it's 10 degrees outside?...Oh well. It's better than a
cave I suppose. Let's go talk to these Indians...... Wait a second,
are these Indians friendly or hostile?"

"Why, George, that's a racist question to ask. Just because some
Indians were brutal savages who scalped their victims alive, it
doesn't mean they all were" said the angel sarcastically.

"I know that Clarence. And I'm not a racist. I hate racism.
Nonetheless, I'd feel safer if I could have a gun to defend myself if
they turn out to be violent."

"Gun?" replied the angel. "There are no guns for you to defend
yourself with. Firearms were invented by evil Europeans. Though we
could make a spear with those twigs over there."

"That's too much work. Give me a telephone then. I'll call the Indians
to ask if it's OK."

"Telephone"? replied the angel. There are no telephones here.
Alexander Graham Bell was another evil white man, so he never existed.
No Europeans remember?" "Forget it then" replied George. "I'll sleep
in the damn cave."

Upon arriving at the cave, a shivering George asked the angel for a
lighter so that he could light a fire. "A lighter?" replied Clarence.
"There are no lighters here, and no matches. Those are European
gadgets and evil Europeans never existed remember? If you want to get
warm, you need to do like the locals do and start rubbing twigs
together."

"Oh come on man! You mean to tell me these people still rub sticks
together for fire?"

"That's right George. The Indians live exactly as they did before the
evil pilgrims arrived from Europe just a few centuries ago." said the
angel sarcastically.

"I refuse to stay in this cold cave and I damn sure ain't gonna light
a fire with twigs, and I refuse to sleep in a teepee. I'll go to South
America. I can make it in a warmer climate and I'll adapt quickly to
the great Incan civilization I learned about at college. Since
European racists like Columbus, Cortez and Pizzaro never existed, the
Incans will still be there.
... I need a car"

"Car?" replied the angel. "There are no cars here. Daimler and Benz,
the evil German inventors of the internal combustion engine, were
never born..nor was Henry Ford. There are no paved roads either. This
is a world without evil Europeans remember?"

"No cars! Oh. I'll just have to take a train."

"There are no trains in this world either George. Evil Europeans
weren't here to build locomotive engines or to discover the many uses
of coal, oil and gas, or to build trains or lay tracks. But I'll allow
you to cheat just a bit. Grab hold of my magic robe and we'll fly
south."

George touched the angel's robe and they flew south until they arrived
in an abandoned mud hut in the midst of Incan territory. George was
grateful for the warm weather but it wasn't long until he began to
complain about the heat and humidity.

"Clarence, this hut is a little shithole and I'm sweating up a storm
here. Get me an air-conditioner please."

"Air-conditioner?" replied the angel. "There are no air-conditioners
here. Air conditioning and refrigeration were inventions created by
evil White men." "What?!! You mean to tell me that in the year 2002
these people still haven't figured out a way to keep themselves or
their food cool? a frustrated George asked.

"No George, they haven't. And they never will."

"This is ridiculous. Let's go to the main city to see the Emperor. I
can't live like this. Where's a car...oh I forget...no cars! Dammit
I'll walk. let's go."

After walking through the jungle for about an hour or so, it began to
get dark. George then asked Clarence to give him a flashlight so that
he could see. "Flashlight? Sorry George, but Thomas Edison was an evil
White man too...and he was never born. There are some branches over
there if you want to make a torch."

"Never mind that!" George shouted back.

By morning time, Clarence and George had arrived at the temple of the
Incans. A bloody human sacrifice was in progress. George turned to
Clarence and cried, "They're going to butcher that poor soul! Somebody
has got to stop this. What horrible murdering beasts! Can't anyone
stop them?"

The angel replied "I'm afraid not. Ritual killings are common place
here."Those evil European racists like Columbus, Cortez and Pizzaro
never existed so the Incans just continued their brutal ways. In fact,
it was the oppressed peoples themselves who made up the bulk of the
Spanish armed forces. The people saw the Spaniards as liberators who
would rid them of the oppressive Incan and Mayan rulers and give them
a better life."

"I can't blame them for helping the Spaniards then. This is a horrible
place. Get me out of this shithole now!" said George.

'Where would you like to go?" Clarence replied.

George said: "Take me to Africa, maybe there's a more advanced and
humane civilization there that I can fit into. Where the nearest
airport?"

"Oh, I forgot...no Wright Brothers." George said. "How about a boat?"

"Boats?" replied the angel. "I'm afraid the most seaworthy rafts
available to you won't be of much help in crossing the vast Atlantic
Ocean. The great Viking sailors and European navigators never existed.
No Phoenicians, no Leif Erickson, no Henry the Navigator, no Columbus,
no Magellan, no Hudson and no Robert Fulton. Even if you could build
your own ship, there would be no compass for you to navigate with and
no sextant either. I'm afraid you're stuck here George."

"Can I touch your robe and fly to Africa then" asked George.

"You're cheating again George, but all right. Touch my robe and we'll
fly to Africa."

When they arrived in Africa, George saw thousands of half-naked
African tribesmen being herded along a dirt path. They were guarded by
other Africans with spears. "What are they doing to those poor men?"
George asked Clarence.

"They are being enslaved by another tribe. Slavery was common in
Africa long before the whites arrived." Clarence said. "In fact, most
of the slaves who were shipped to the Americas were sold to the slave
traders by African tribal leaders."

"That's so sad.' George said. "I want to meet Martin Luther King.
Since his White assassin never existed, this great man should still be
alive. He's probably a great tribal chief somewhere and leader of an
advanced civilization. He will free these slaves from their African
masters. Take me to him Clarence."

Clarence led George to a little hut deep in the heart of Africa. The
naked women and children looked at George in wonder. The young men
were out on a hunt but the older men stayed behind. George was led to
the dingy little hut of the tribal witchdoctor and spiritual leader.
There he saw a wild-looking man with a necklace of teeth around his
neck and a huge ring pierced through his nose. "What the hell is that?
George asked.

"Meet Witch-doctor Matunbo Lutamba Kinga" Clarence said. He never
became Reverend Martin Luther King because there were no universities
or seminaries built to educate him. Europeans weren't there to create
such opportunities. But he did become the tribe's spiritual leader. He
specializes in casting evil spells. Perhaps he can help you?"

The witch doctor gazed in wonder at George. Then he motioned to his
henchmen to seize young George. The tribesmen grabbed hold of George
and tied him to a nearby tree.

"Stop it! Let me go. What are they going to do to me?" cried George
hysterically.

"They're going to perform a ritual killing on you George. The good
doctor King...I mean Kinga -- believes that by cutting your heart out
while you are still alive, it will bring good fortune and fertility to
his tribe," laughed Clarence.

"Clarence! Clarence! Help me Clarence! Help me!

"But George, you told me that you wanted to go to Africa and to meet
your hero Reverend King."

George said: "This part of Africa has not developed yet. I can see
that now. Take me to North Africa where Egypt and Carthage established
great civilizations. Just get me out of here, please."

Just as the witch doctor's spear was about to carve out George's
heart, George vanished into thin air. He then found himself on the
banks of the river Nile in Egypt.

"Thank you Clarence. Thank you," George said. "I don't understand it
Clarence. Why does so much of the world remain so brutal and
primitive? I learned during Black History Month about many talented
black inventors and scientists. Garrett Morgan, George Washington
Carver, Benjamin Banneker, Granville Woods. Then there's Dr. Carson,
the preeminent brain surgeon in all of America. Where are these men?"

Clarence replied: "Don't you understand yet? America, and Africa,
exist exactly as they did before the Europeans discovered them.
Civilization as you had known it had only been introduced to these
people just a few centuries ago by the Europeans. There are no
universities, no hospitals, no means of transportation other than
animals, no science, no medicine, no machines. In fact, the wheel
hasn't even been discovered in Sub-Saharan
Africa! Those black scientists, inventors, doctors, athletes, and
entertainers you speak of were never given the opportunity to realize
their full human potential because Europeans weren't around to
introduce higher civilization and learning to them. There are no
George Washington Carvers in this non-European world, no Dr. Carsons,
no Booker T. Washingtons, no Benjamin Bannekers, no Michael Jordans,
no Oprah Winfreys, no Bill Cosbys, no..."

"Stop it! That can't be!" cried George. "Let's walk over to the great
pyramids of Egypt right now and I'll show you one of the great wonders
of the world .....built by non-Whites"

They walked a few miles before George stopped and asked where the
nearest toilet was. "Toilets?" replied the angel. There are no toilets
or urinals in this world. Plumbing was developed by evil Europeans.
The people in this non-White world still relieve themselves in open
fields."

Clarence turned around so George could do his business. "I need some
toilet paper." George said.

"Toilet paper?" replied the angel. "There..."

"I know. I know. Toilet paper hasn't been invented yet. Just hand me a
rag then".

Clarence obliged and the two of them went on their way.

"I don't understand. According to my recollections from Geography
class, the great pyramids should be near this very spot. We ought to
be able to see them from miles away," said George.

"Well, George, I'm sure your professors at the college never told you
this, but the ancient Egyptians were not black or brown. They were
Caucasians. The anthropologists who examined the Egyptian mummies
confirmed this fact. There are no pyramids and no Sphinx either. And
the Carthaginians were White too."

George became depressed, but he was determined to prove his beliefs.
"What's in Europe?" he asked.

"Europe became populated by Huns and other Asiatic tribes. They've
settled down a bit but life is much the same as it is in North
America. A nomadic existence based on hunting and food gathering. No
great cities, no science, no buildings, no culture, no fine art - just
a hard daily struggle against life and the elements of nature. In a
Europe without evil Whites, the Roman Empire never existed nor did the
Greeks. There was no Renaissance either."

"Take me to Asia then. Surely the great civilizations of Persia,
India, China, and Japan will suit me" George said. "Clarence, to the
Taj Mahal please." "The Taj Mahal?" replied the angel. "Don't you know
that the ancient Persian and Indian civilizations were established by
ancient Indo-European tribes who crossed the Himalayas? They are the
ones who civilized India and built the Taj Mahal. Those are the great
civilizations
that Marco Polo, Columbus, and others were searching for.Did you know
that Iran is Persian for "land of the Aryan?"

George said: "Don't tell me that the Indians were White men! That
can't be. In the world I came from, I knew many Indians and they were
not White!"

Clarence explained: "As the centuries passed, the Indo-Europeans who
created Indian civilization intermarried with the native majorities
who populated the Indian subcontinent. Gradually there were less and
less evil White people until they faded out completely, along with the
advanced civilization they had built. You will notice that there are
still a few white-skinned and fair-haired Indians and Pakistanis
around today -- in the world you came from that is.

George became worried. He knew he could never fit into the harsh
primitive world he had been thrust into. Suddenly he thought of Japan.
"Japan! I'll show you now Clarence. Take me to Japan. If the Japanese
can make TVs and cameras then I'm sure I'll find a decent civilization
that I can live in."

Clarence transported George to Japan. George observed that Japanese
society was the most orderly, advanced and civil that he had seen, but
it seemed as if almost everyone was either a rice farmer, a fisherman,
or a soldier. There were no cars, no skyscrapers, no lights, no
stereos, no sciences, no technologies, no universities. It was a
stagnant agricultural society that seemed to have reached its high
water mark and was incapable of moving forward. George knew he could
not live here either.

Clarence explained to George: "Even the industrious Japanese and
Chinese peoples had to rely on the evil Europeans to build the modern
Asia that you had in mind. In this world, Japan exists exactly as it
did before Commodore Perry's American naval ships arrived in Japan in
the 1850s. There's no industry, no technology, no Fuji film, no Sony,
no Hitachi, no Panasonic, no Toyota, no Sushi bars, no baseball...none
of the trappings or comforts of modern life. These things don't exist
in Japan or anywhere else because
Europeans weren't there to create them and share them with the rest of
the world. Would you care for a bowl of rice George?"

George began to feel sick in both his body and his mind. Not only was
he depressed, but exposure to the harsh elements of nature had left
him physically ill. "Clarence, I seem to have contracted some type of
sickness. I must have some anti-biotics."

"Anti-biotics? There's no...

"Oh Shut up already! Then just take me back to the world as it was!"

"Sorry George. I'm not authorized to do that. Only my boss can make
that call." Clarence said to him: "You see George. Your father was
right. You really had a wonderful race. Don't you see what a foolish
mistake it is to be ashamed and guilty about your own people, and to
let them die out? This is what the world would be like without the
creative spark of Edison and Ford and Pasteur and Marconi. No great
scientists, or mathematicians, or inventors or fine artists. No
Archimedes, no Aristotle, no Socrates, no
Alexander, no Renaissance, no Newton, no Kepler, no Goddard, no
Mendel, no Tesla, no Faraday, no Guttenberg, no Shakespeare, no
Dickens, no Twain, no Mozart, no Beethoven, no Da Vinci, no
Michelangelo, no Galileo, no Copernicus. No Venice, no Paris, no
Lisbon, no Madrid, no Zurich, no Berlin, no St. Petersburg, no
Budapest, no Rome, no Milan, no Vienna, no London, no New York, no
Rio, no Sydney. No orchestras, no museums, no universities, no
hospitals, no libraries, no theaters, no radio, no books, no
television, no electricity, no refrigeration, no heating, no plumbing,
no houses, no steel, no stadiums, no vaccines, no cars, no planes, no
trains, no ships, no
dentists, no surgeons, no computers, no telephones, and most important
- there's no creative genius to be found that could create and sustain
such a high level of civilization. There's nothing for the people of
this world to build upon. It's just a daily struggle for subsistence.
A brutal planet where the few people who aren't mired in eternal
ignorance and darkness have reached their peak of civilization and are
advancing no further."

Clarence went on to lecture the broken and depressed young man for
seven days straight. He covered everything. History, science,
economics, philosophy, art, literature, fine music, architecture,
medicine, politics, agriculture, religion, and all the creations and
contributions that the European peoples had made in every conceivable
field of human endeavor. George listened closely to every word. He
felt like a man who had been
reborn.

After his lecture, Clarence the Angel floated away towards heaven. "I
hope you have found all this to be educational, and I hope you have
learned an important lesson. Enjoy your world George!" mocked the
departing angel.

George began to sob like a baby. It was the year 2002 and he was alone
and hungry in a backwards world where Europeans had never existed. He
cried out to the stars: "Please God. I see what a fool I've been. I
understand now what my father was trying to tell me. I want to go back
to the world that I came from. A world where Europeans not only
existed, but blessed the rest of humanity world with their unique
creative ability. I want to live in a civilized world. Please
God!...take me back!...take me back!...Oh God....please."

Suddenly George was transported back to his college dormitory. Drunk
with joy, George jumped into the showers before he could even take his
clothes off!.

"Warm water! and soap! Life is beautiful!" he screamed.

George's floor mates looked at him as if he was crazy. "George! Have
you gone crazy?" asked a bewildered schoolmate.

"No my friend. I haven't taken leave of my senses. I've come to them!"
George replied. George then began to sing classic European folk songs
in the shower. Miraculously, he was able to sing in many different
languages. He sang O Sole Mio in Italian, Amazing Grace in English,
Gloire Immortelle in French, Das Ist Der Tag in German, and also
Belgian, Spanish and French ballads and waltzes. Tears of sheer joy
began to stream down his cheeks. The degenerate music of Hip-Hop and
Rap lost all of its appeal to young George.

After his shower, George drove to a nearby restaurant and ordered two
whole entrees. One was Lasagna and the other was a delicious Veal
Marsala. With his Italian food he had a Greek salad with Spanish
olives and Russian dressing, drank a whole bottle of French wine,
followed by a German pastry for dessert. He finished his meal off with
a hot cup of English tea and a Cuban cigar.

George said out loud: "Oh those European peoples and their delicious
cuisine. Clarence was right after all. What a wonderful race!"

George was happy, but at the same time he realized there was much work
to be done. He thought of all those poor whites in Rhodesia and South
Africa who were being murdered and raped ever since they gave up
control of those once-European nations. He thought of the many
thousands of qualified Whites who were passed up for good jobs and
college entrance because of racial quotas that discriminate against
Europeans. He thought about the declining birthrates among all the
European nations of the world. He remembered that
Europeans everywhere were dwindling in numbers every year even as
their own nations were being flooded with third world immigration. He
recalled the O.J. Simpson verdict and how millions of blacks in
America cheered when that brutal double murderer was set free by a
black jury after he stabbed two Whites to death. He remembered the Los
Angeles riots of 1992, where dozens of Whites were dragged out of
their vehicles and killed like dogs in the streets by packs of
White-hating monsters who were never even punished! He remembered the
time when Jesse Jackson led a cheer at Stanford University: "Hey Hey
Ho Ho, Western Civ. has got to go!" His European blood began to
boil in righteous indignation when he recalled how Jesse Jackson once
said he had spit in White people's food when he was a young restaurant
worker. George now understood that that his people were on a collision
course with worldwide disaster and genocide. George realized that this
great people must not perish from the face of the earth.

George could not wait to see his father. He longed to embrace him and
apologize for all of the foolish and disrespectful things he had said
to him. But first, George had a score to settle with a certain college
professor. He walked into Dr. Silverstein's auditorium and quietly
took a seat in the back row. The nasal voiced Silverstein was
lecturing on and on
about racial and gender inequalities in European-centered
civilizations. It was vintage Silverstein. George's impressionable
White schoolmates, with their baggy pants, hip-hop clothes and
backwards baseball caps, were swallowing Silverstein's poison pills
hook, line and sinker. After letting Silverstein spew his cultural
poison for about 15 minutes or so, George raised his hand so that he
could give the professor a piece of his newly educated mind.

"George? Is that you? I remember you from last semester. I wasn't
aware that you were here today. I failed to recognize you in that
shirt and tie, and without your earrings. You must have enjoyed my
course so much that you signed up again eh? Class, I'd like for you to
meet George. He was one of my brightest students last semester. He
truly has a thorough grasp of the ideas presented in this course.
George, would you be so kind as to tell my class about that brilliant
term paper you wrote about European racism,
imperialism, and the need for monetary reparations?"

That's when young George let loose on the unsuspecting Professor.

"ENOUGH! You scheming devil! You mendacious fabricator of falsehoods!
You pusillanimous purveyor of pinko propaganda! How dare you try to
corrupt and manipulate our young minds when your filthy lies. We
Europeans have nothing to be ashamed of, nothing to apologize for, and
everything to be proud of. And most of all, we don't owe anybody
jack-shit - not one thin dime! To the contrary, it is the rest of
humanity that owes us a debt which can never be repaid! We are the
rightful heirs and protectors of a rich cultural heritage. You vile
manipulator! We are the sons of the Romans, the sons of
the Greeks, the Celtics, the Vikings, the Normans, the Saxons. Why do
you inflict shame and guilt upon us? We Europeans didn't just
contribute to civilization...WE ARE CIVILIZATION! And I declare that I
will no longer tolerate you shithead "intellectuals" trying to tear
our people down. Never again will we walk on eggshells when we speak,
always fearing that we might be called "racist." I no longer care what
people think. All that matters is the truth which you have sought to
pervert!"

"What are you up to anyway? Why do you to corrupt my young peers by
shoving false heroes down their throats. Enough of your Marxist games
of divide and conquer, you commie pinko subversive! I don't want to
learn anymore about Martin Luther King, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton or
Black History Month. They would not have amounted to anything without
the institutions of high civilization created by the European peoples.
I'm going to set this class straight about who the truly great men of
history are - the European
statesmen, scientists, explorers, monarchs, navigators, conquerors,
inventors, artists, writers, philosophers - the innovative giants of
history that you and your ilk have erased from our collective
memories. You speak of a world liberated from European influence?
Permit me tell your students about such a world, Silverstein, because
I can speak from personal experience, you wretched little conspiring
monster!"

Silverstein turned white as a ghost. He was shell-shocked and rendered
speechless for the first time in his career! Never in all of his years
at the University had a student dared to so boldly challenge his
falsehoods. Speaking from the heart as well as the mind, and with an
eloquence he never thought he could muster, George broke out into a
60-minute monologue on history, science, philosophy, culture, and all
the other attributes that
constitute high civilization. The young students were captivated by
George's brilliant oratory. Many were moved to tears. By the end of
his tirade, George's reawakened classmates were thundering their
approval of his speech. The class gave George a standing ovation and
they thanked him for helping them rediscover and reclaim their own
sense of pride and lost identity. The unstoppable power of truth had
melted away years of Marxist guilt tripping, self hate, wimpishness
and cultural brainwashing in just one unforgettable hour. The inspired
students proceeded to storm out of Silverstein's class,
throwing their hip-hop baseball caps and nose earrings at him as they
stampeded out and vowed never to return. They lifted George up upon
their shoulders and carried him out of the auditorium like a
conquering hero. With a glint in his eye, George glanced up towards
the sky, winked and said "Thank you, Clarence."

Dr. Silverstein was left humiliated and visibly shaken. He knew that
these reawakened European kids could never again be brainwashed with
"political correctness" and White guilt. Silverstein's greatest fear
was that more of these proud European youths would one day reawaken
and take their country and civilization back from the Silversteins of
the world.

Silverstein was worried, but he remained confident that most young men
and women would never learn the truth about their glorious past and
unique creative abilities. After all, the mass media, Hollywood, the
music industry, the colleges, and the public schools are all
controlled by "liberals" like Dr. Silverstein. With the power of
political correctness in their hands, they can continue to tear down
our European ancestors, destroy our
institutions and traditions, instigate blacks and other races against
the whites, flood America with third-world immigration, and push
"hip-hop" music, homosexuality, and other garbage onto a weak,
confused and morally degenerate youth. After reflecting upon these
facts, Silverstein smiled a devilish grin and muttered to himself: "A
few of these European sheep may wake up to what's being done to them,
but the majority of these idiots never will." And he smiled
again....and laughed with diabolical Marxist glee. Then
he repeated to himself "No...they will never figure it all out until
it's too late."

Or will they?

Topaz

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by Edgar J. Steele

Finally, Senator Ernest "Fritz" Hollings has come clean. He dared to
say what everybody else in Washington already knew: America dances to
Israel's tune, as dispensed through its Washington lobby, the American
Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC). "You can't have an Israel
policy other than what AIPAC gives you around here," said Mr. Hollings
from the floor of the Senate just two days ago. Of course, now it's
safe for him to do so, since he is retiring in a few months.

From the reaction to Mr. Hollings' statement, you would think he had
proposed that American Jews be rounded up, tattooed and sent off to
death camps. Rabbi Philip Silverstein of Columbia?s Beth Shalom
synagogue, who claimed to be "horrified" by Hollings' remark,
hysterically ranted, "It makes him anti-Israel. It's
anti-Semitic...it's dangerous." Abraham Foxman, National Director of
the Anti-Defamation League, issued what has become the ADL's standard
denunciation of any national figure who implies, even, that America
carries Israel's water: "To hear such crudeness, such ugliness, such
classical anti-Semitism. It's sad."

The ingratitude apparent in Mr. Hollings' recent statements
particularly must rankle AIPAC's membership, since they thought they
had bought and paid for him, to the tune of $73,275. Of course,
that's peanuts compared to what has been paid for some of AIPAC's
favorites, such as the Senators from Pennsylvania (Arlen Spector -
$366,123), Iowa (Thomas Harkin - $423,895) and Michigan (Carl Levin -
$564,858).

What? You say the Senator from your state won't return your calls?
Well, how much did you bribe...er, give in "campaign contributions" to
him or her recently? What? Well, no wonder he or she refuses to
listen to you. No wonder Israel calls the shots. Is it really any
wonder? And AIPAC is just one of Israel's seemingly countless lobby
groups.

There are lots of other Jewish organizations that also bribe...er,
contribute to Congressmen, such as the World Jewish Congress and The
Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish American Organizations, just
to name a couple. And there are a great many wealthy individual Jews
who give serious, and I do mean serious, bribes...er, contributions,
such as Seagram's heir Edgar Bronfman, whose work on behalf of Israel
was recognized with the American Presidential Medal of Freedom (look,
you have to admit that this is so off the wall that I couldn't just
make up stuff like this). Is it really any surprise for you to learn
that well over half of all bribes...er, campaign contributions now
come from Jews?

Getting back to Mr. Hollings for a moment, the 82-year-old gentleman
from South Carolina is retiring from public office after 38 years in
the Senate. That's longer than most Americans have been alive, you
know. Oddly enough, 38 years also is almost exactly as long as it
took for the coup to take place. What coup? You really haven't been
paying attention, have you? Why, the one now reaching its climax in
America. You know, the coup that began with JFK's assassination. The
coup that put the Zionist International Banker cabal atop America for
good.

I appreciate that Hollings has come clean at last, but what I really
want to know is - where have you been for the past 38 years, Fritz?
And where were all your colleagues while America was sold down the
river? You know, the ones busy shuffling their feet and averting
their eyes during your recent floor speech? Yes, the very ones with
whom you took that oath in which you swore allegiance to America and
against all enemies, both domestic and foreign.

Bush recently signed off on Israel's current campaign of genocide
against the Palestinian people whose land Israel steals, inch by mile,
on a daily basis. Why? Because he, and every President stretching
back nearly one hundred years to Woodrow Wilson, the very first
American President to sell America out to Zionist interests, has bowed
low before Zionism.

"Israel's governments have mobilized the collective power of US Jewry
- which dominates Congress and the media to a large degree - against
them. Faced by this vigorous opposition, all the presidents, great and
small, football players and movie stars - folded one after another."
Israeli journalist and peace activist, Uri Avnery, Ha'aretz, March 6,
1991.

John F. Kennedy reneged on his deal and look what it got him.

Incidentally, let me tell you once again about the absolute last word
on the JFK assassination, Final Judgment, by Michael C. Piper - it's
available once again, in a new, expanded edition at
http://www.americanfreepress.net/Final_Judgment.pdf. Do yourself a
favor and order a copy. Get this latest, updated version and give
your old one away, if you already own a copy (yes, I know you paid
upwards of $200 for it on the Internet while the book was out of print
because essentially it was banned, but think of it as bread upon the
water).

During his speech to AIPAC the other day, George the Second referred
to a picture we all now have seen, of four black-clad men standing
behind Nicholas Berg and accused of having executed him, saying, "The
faces of the terrorists were cloaked, but we have seen their kind
before." Yes, indeed, Mr. President. We certainly have. We see them
every day, in our own ranks. How ironic that you should bring up this
specific incident, which already has been debunked so thoroughly by so
many.

Just as with 9-11, which now conclusively has been shown to have been
a "false flag" operation, not to mention the Oklahoma City Bombing,
the Berg decapitation quite simply wasn't done by the people being
blamed by George. There really isn't room here today to list, let
alone develop, the mounting anomalies that call the Berg affair into
question and there is not yet a unified site that discusses them all,
but go here and here for some of the more complete preliminary
discussions.

George the Second also told his masters, as represented by those
assembled at the AIPAC Conference: "(A)ll terrorists burn with the
same hatred. They hate all who reject their grim vision of tyranny.
They hate people who love freedom. They kill without mercy. They kill
without shame. And they count their victories in the death of the
innocent." Yes, Mr. President. Once again, you have said something
with which I wholeheartedly agree.

Problem is, we are the terrorists, because it is America that burns
with hatred these days. America that hates those who reject its grim
vision of democracy. America that hates so many who know the real
meaning of freedom. America that kills women without mercy. America
that kills children without shame. You and the Jewish organ grinders
for whom you are but a dancing monkey count your victories in the
deaths of innocent Palestinians and Iraqis. You have shamed us and
you have condemned us all to Hell, right along with you and your
Jewish masters.

George the Second also told the AIPAC audience that "(W)e have a duty
to expose and confront anti-Semitism, wherever it is found." He
followed that up with "The demonization of Israel...can be a flimsy
cover for anti-Semitism." With those two statements, George the
Second made crystal clear where his loyalties lie with regard to the
mushrooming portion of America's population that objects to our Middle
Eastern campaign of conquest: With Israel and against America, that's
where.

Could it be any more clearly stated, folks? Of course, George is the
same fellow who gave new life to the phrase, "yer either with us or
agin us." At least, now we know what he meant by "us," and it most
assuredly isn't us, fellow Americans.

In contrast to what George the Second thinks, I rather liked what
Fritz Hollings had to say in response to his Jewish critics from the
Senate floor two days ago: "I want them to apologize to me. Talking
about 'anti-Semitic.' They're not getting by with it."

Finland avoided military invasion and conquest by Joseph Stalin's
Soviet Union back in the 1940s by adopting a Soviet-style government,
paying fealty to the USSR and otherwise acting just as it would, had
it been conquered by force. Today, the US has gone along with
International Zionism in precisely the same fashion: installing
Jewish and Christian Zionists in all governmental power points, bowing
to the wishes of Israel's lobbyists, removing Christianity from
America's culture by edict of an increasingly-Jewish judiciary,
fighting Israel's fights and even purging those who disagree with
foreign Jews pushing Zionism by imprisoning its own citizen political
dissidents on phony charges. Of course, Finland had the example of
20-80 million Russian Christians executed right next door early last
century, simply for being anti-Semitic, a lesson that America seems to
have forgotten. The term "Finlandization" has come to refer to
quislings like Finland and, now, America.

I will be speaking at the Duke International European American Unity
and Leadership Conference in New Orleans this next weekend, May 28-30.
Call 985-626-7714 or go here to reserve on line. From David Duke's
web site promoting the conference: "The leaders who will be present
at the conference recognize that the enormous media and financial
power of Zionism is not just a Palestinian problem, but the greatest
single threat to the European and other peoples of the world. The
Unity and Leadership conference is about setting an effective agenda
for the restoration of our rights, freedoms and heritage." You who
follow this list regularly know that I will be pulling no punches in
pursuit of this very agenda during my speech. And, yes, it is that
David Duke: the ex-Congressman.

For those who have indicated an interest in going, but been reluctant
to sign up because my name does not appear on the list of scheduled
speakers, rest easy. It's right there - I'm one of the "other
prominent speakers." Be assured that I will be speaking, even if I
have to do it on the sidewalk in front of the hotel. And I make it a
point of honor at these affairs to attend all proceedings and to be
available to members of this list at all times throughout.

Already, Mark Potok of the very Jewish Southern Poverty Law Center,
one of Zionism's many American apologist-cum-attack dogs, is calling
this a world-class gathering of anti-Semites. To him, I say: Unlike
Mr. Hollings, no apology to me is necessary. Just remember, though,
that's Mr. Anti-Semite to you!

New America. An idea whose time has come.


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During World War Two the Germans put Jews and Communists in
concentration camps. The USA locked also up the Japanese and their
political opponents and for less reason. At the end of the war there
was a lot of deaths in the German camps from disease and starvation
because Germany was being bombed to rubble. There is no evidence that
the Germans had gas chambers or an extermination plan.

Newsweek magazine May 15, 1989 says on page 64:

"the way the Nazis did things: the secrecy, the unwritten orders, the
destruction of records and the innocent-sounding code names for the
extermination of the Jews. Perhaps it was inevitable that historians
would quarrel over just what happened"

The real reason there are no records of an extermination plan is
because there was no extermination plan. The Germans planned to deport
the Jews out of Germany. The records show that they planned to move
them to Madagascar.

Here is part of the Leuchter Report:
"Thirty-one samples were selectively removed from the alleged gas
chambers at Kremas I, II, III, IV and V. A control sample was taken
from delousing facility #1 at Birkenau. The control sample was removed
from a delousing chamber in a location where cyanide was known to have
been used and was apparently present as blue staining. Chemical
testing of the control sample #32 showed a cyanide content of 1050
mg/kg, a very heavy concentration. The conditions at areas from which
these samples were taken are identical with those of the control
sample, cold, dark, and wet. Only Kremas IV and V differed, in the
respect that these locations had sunlight (the buildings have been
torn down) and sunlight may hasten the destruction of uncomplexed
cyanide. The cyanide combines with the iron in the mortar and brick
and becomes ferric-ferro-cyanide or prussian blue pigmentation, a very
stable iron-cyanide complex.
"The locations from which the analyzed samples were removed are set
out in Table III.
"It is notable that almost all the samples were negative and that the
few that were positive were very close to the detection level
(1mg/kg); 6.7 mg/kg at Krema III; 7.9 mg/kg at Krerma I. The absence
of any consequential readings at any of the tested locations as
compared to the control sample reading 1050 mg/kg supports the
evidence that these facilities were not execution gas chambers. The
small quantities detected would indicate that at some point these
buildings were deloused with Zyklon B - as were all the buildings at
all these facilities"

Professional holocaust believers have admitted that the "gas chamber"
which is shown to the tourists at Auschwitz was actually built by the
allies after the war was over. This is what they wrote:
Brian Harmon <har...@msg.ucsf.edu> wrote in article
<080620000051136373%har...@msg.ucsf.edu>...
"You're confusing Krema I with Kremas II-V. Krema I is a
reconstruction, this has never been a secret. Kremas II-V are in
their demolished state as they were left."
Charles Don Hall <cdhall...@erols.com> wrote in article
<8F4CB71B...@news.erols.com>...
"Certainly not! The word "fake" implies a deliberate attempt to
deceive.
"The staff of the Auschwitz museum will readily explain that the Nazis
tried to destroy the gas chambers in a futile attempt to conceal their
crimes. And they'll tell you that reconstruction was done later on. So
it would be dishonest for me to call it a "fake". I'll cheerfully
admit that it's a "reconstruction" if that makes you happy."
They admit that the "gas chamber" shown to the tourists at Auschwitz
was built by the allies after the war was over. There is no physical
evidence that the Germans had gas chambers. No bodies of people who
died from gas have been found. The Communists were the first to enter
the camps. How do the other allies know the Communists didn't blow up
the buildings? Then they could claim that these demolished buildings
used to be gas chambers.

But then the believers will say the Germans confessed. Their main
confession is from Hoess. Here are the details:
"In the introduction to Death Dealer [Buffalo: Prometheus, 1992], the
historian Steven Paskuly wrote: "Just after his capture in 1946, the
British Security Police were able to extract a statement from Hoess by
beating him and filling him with liquor." Paskuly was reiterating what
Rupert Butler and Bernard Clarke had already described.
In 1983, Rupert Butler published an unabashed memoir (Legions of
Death, Hamlyn: London) describing in graphic detail how, over three
days, he and Clarke and other British policemen managed to torture
Hoess into making a "coherent statement." According to Butler [Legions
of Death, p. 237], he and the other interrogators put the boots to
Hoess the moment he was captured. For starters, Clarke struck his face
four times to get H�ess to reveal his true identity.
<quote>
The admission suddenly unleashed the loathing of Jewish sergeants in
the arresting party whose parents had died in Auschwitz following an
order signed by H�ss.
The prisoner was torn from the top bunk, the pajamas ripped from his
body. He was then dragged naked to one of the slaughter tables, where
it seemed to Clarke the blows and screams were endless.
Eventually, the Medical Officer urged the Captain: "Call them off,
unless you want to take back a corpse."
A blanket was thrown over H�ss and he was dragged to Clarke's car,
where the sergeant poured a substantial slug of whisky down his
throat. H�ss tried to sleep.
Clarke thrust his service stick under the man's eyelids and ordered in
Geffnan: "Keep your pig eyes open, you swine."
For the first time H�ss trotted out his oft-repeated justification: "I
took my orders from Himmler. I was a soldier in the same way as you
are a soldier and we had to obey orders."
The party arrived back at Heide around three in the morning. The snow
was swirling
still, but the blanket was torn from H�ss and he was made to walk
completely nude
through the prison yard to his cell.
</quote>

An article in the British newspaper Wrexham Leader [Mike Mason, "In a
cell with a Nazi war criminal-We kept him awake until he confessed,"
October 17, 1986] following the airing of a TV documentary on the case
of Rudolf Hoess included eyewitness recollections by Ken Jones:
<quote>
Mr. Ken Jones was then a private with the Fifth Royal Horse Artillery
stationed at
Heid[e] in Schleswig-Holstein. "They brought him to us when he
refused to
cooperate over questioning about his activities during the war. He
came in the winter
of 1945/6 and was put in a small jail cell in the barracks," recalls
Mr. Jones. Two
other soldiers were detailed with Mr. Jones to join H�ss in his cell
to help break
him down for interrogation. "We sat in the cell with him, night and
day, armed with
axe handles. Our job was to prod him every time he fell asleep to
help break down
his resistance," said Mr. Jones. When H�ss was taken out for exercise
he was made
to wear only jeans and a cotton shirt in the bitter cold. After three
days and
nights without sleep, H�ss finally broke down and made a full
confession to
the authorities.
</quote>

The confession Hoess signed was numbered document NO-1210; later
revamped, as document PS-3868, which became the basis for an oral
deposition Hoess made for the IMT on April 15, 1946, a month after it
had been extracted from him by torture...
Since what people confess to after they have been captured by the
Communists and their liberal comrades is not proof of anything, this
leaves only the stories of survivors. These contradict each other and
not believable. One professional survivor said that he could tell if
the Germans were gassing German Jews or Polish Jews by the color of
the smoke.
The fact that there are so many "survivors" is not proof of an
extermination plan. There may be six million survivors. Just about
every Jew that is old says he is a survivor.

The real "holocaust" was when the Communist Jews murdered millions of
Christians. Communism was Jewish. Here is proof:

Article Winston Churchill wrote in 1920:
"This movement amongst the Jews (the Russian Revolution) is not new.
From the days of Spartacus Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down
to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kuhn (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany)
and Emma Goldman (United States), this world wide conspiracy for the
overthrow of civilization and the reconstruction of society on the
basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible
equality, has been steadily growing. It played, as a modern writer,
Mrs. Nesta Webster, has so ably shown, a definitely recognizable part
in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of
every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at
last this band of extraordinary personalities has gripped the Russian
people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the
undisputed masters of that enormous empire. There is no need to
exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the
actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international
and for the most part atheistic Jews. Moreover, the principal
inspiration and driving power comes from Jewish leaders." (ibid)

Lev Trotzky wrote a book called "Stalin: An Appraisal of the Man and
His Influence", Harper Bros., New York and London, 1941, translated by
Charles Malamuth.

In this book he told who the principle members of the October Central
Committee were. This group was the leadership of the Bolshevik Party
during the October Revolution. This is what he wrote:

"In view of the Party's semi-legality the names of persons elected by
secret ballot were not announced at the Congress, with the exception
of the four who had received the largest number of votes. Lenin--133
out of a possible 134, Zinoviev--132, Kamenev--131, Trotzky--131."

Of these four top leaders of the Bolshevik Party the last three were
known Jews. Lenin was thought to be a gentile married to a Jewess. It
was later proven that he was one quarter Jewish, London Jewish
Chronicle April 21, 1995, Lenin: Life and Legacy.

David Francis, the American Ambassador to Russia at the time of the
Revolution, wrote:
"The Bolshevic leaders here, most of whom are Jews and 90 percent of
whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or any other country
but are internationalists and they are trying to start a world-wide
revolution."

The Director of British Intelligence to the U.S. Secretary of State
wrote this:
"There is now definite evidence that Bolshevism is an international
movement controlled by Jews."

In 1945 the FBI arrested six individuals for stealing 1700 highly
confidential documents from State Department files. This was the
Amerasia case they were:

Philip Jaffe, a Russian Jew who came to the U.S. in 1905. He was at
one time the editor of the communist paper "Labor Defense" and the
ringleader of the group arrested.
Andrew Roth, a Jew.
Mark Gayn, a Jew, changed his name from Julius Ginsberg.
John Service, a gentile.
Emmanuel Larsen, nationality unknown
Kate Mitchel, nationality unknown.
In 1949 the Jewess Judith Coplin was caught passing classified
documents from Justice Department files to a Russian agent.

The highest ranking communist brought to trial in the U.S. was Gerhart
Eisler. He was a Jew. He was the secret boss of the Communist Party
in the U.S. and commuted regularly between the U.S. and Russia.

In 1950 there was the "Hollywood Ten" case. Ten leading film writers
of the Hollywood Film Colony were convicted for contempt of Congress
and sentenced to prison. Nine of the ten were Jews. Six of the ten
were communist party members and the other four were flagrantly
pro-communist.

One of the top new stories of 1949 was the trial of Eugene Dennis and
the Convicted Eleven. This group comprised the National Secretariat of
the American Communist Party. Six were Jews, two gentiles, three
nationality unknown.

Also in 1949 the German-born atomic scientist Klaus Fuchs was
convicted for passing atomic secrets to the Russians. Acting on
information obtained from Fuchs the FBI arrested nine other members of
the ring. All of them were convicted. Eight of the nine were Jews.

Here are some quotes from a very pro-Jewish book that was first
published in 1925. The book is "Stranger than Fiction" by Lewis
Browne.

"But save for such exceptions, the Jews who led or participated in the
heroic efforts to remold the world of the last century, were neither
Reform or Orthodox. Indeed, they were often not professing Jews at
all.
"For instance, there was Heinrich Heine and Ludwig Borne, both
unfaltering champions of freedom. And even more conspicuously, there
was Karl Marx, one of the great prophetic geniuses of modern times.
"Jewish historians rarely mention the name of this man, Karl Marx,
though in his life and spirit he was far truer to the mission of
Israel than most of those who were forever talking of it. He was born
in Germany in 1818, and belonged to an old rabbinic family. He was not
himself reared as a Jew, however, but while still a child was baptized
a Christian by his father. Yet the rebel soul of the Jew flamed in him
throughout his days, for he was always a 'troubler' in Europe."
"Then, of course, there are Ludwig Borne and Heinrich Heine, two men
who by their merciless wit and sarcasm became leaders among the
revolutionary writers. Karl Marx, Ferdinand Lassalle, Johann Jacoby,
Gabriel Riesser, Adolphe Cremieux, Signora Nathan- all these of Jewish
lineage played important roles in the struggle that went throughout
Europe in this period. Wherever the war for human liberty was being
waged, whether in France, Germany, Austria, Hungary, or Italy, there
the Jew was to be found. It was little wonder that the enemies of
social progress, the monarchists and the Churchmen, came to speak of
the whole liberal movement as nothing but a Jewish plot."

The book "Soviet Russia and the Jews" by Gregor Aronson and published
by the American Jewish League Against Communism, quotes Stalin in an
interview in 1931 with the Jewish Telegraph Agency. Stalin said:

"...Communists cannot be anything but outspoken enemies of
Anti-Semitism. We fight anti-Semites by the strongest methods in the
Soviet Union. Active anti-Semites are punished by death under the
law."

The following quotes are taken directly from documents available from
the
U.S. Archives:
State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918 by U.S. consul
general in Moscow, Summers: "Jews prominent in local Soviet
government, anti-Jewish feeling growing among population...."

State Department document 861.00/2205 was sent from Vladivostok on
July 5, 1918 by U.S. consul Caldwell: "Fifty percent of Soviet
government in each town consists of Jews of the worst type."

From the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia on
March 1, 1919, comes this telegram from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Capt.
Montgomery Shuyler: "It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the
United States but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since it's
beginning, guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest
type" type."

A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok,
reports on the make-up of the presiding Soviet government: "...(T)here
were 384 'commissars' including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen,
22 Armenians, AND MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had
come to Russia from the United States since the downfall of the
Imperial Government.

The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, confirmed this:
"Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to
spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is
organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one
object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things."

"The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of
Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a
new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in
Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction
and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental an
physical forces, become a reality all over the world." (The American
Hebrew, September 10, 1920 "In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the
membership of the Soviet communist party was Jewish, though Jews
comprised only 1.8 percent of the total population." (Stuart Kahan,
The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81)

Interestingly, one of the first acts by the Bolsheviks was to make
so-called "anti-Semitism" a capital crime. This is confirmed by Stalin
himself:
"National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic
customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as
an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of
cannibalism...under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the
death penalty." (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).

Here is a quote from Mein Kampf:
"Making an effort to overcome my natural reluctance, I tried to read
articles of this nature published in the Marxist Press; but in doing
so my aversion increased all the more. And then I set about learning
something of the people who wrote and published this mischievous
stuff. From the publisher downwards, all of them were Jews. I
recalled to mind the names of the public leaders of Marxism, and then
I realized that most of them belonged to the Chosen Race- the Social
Democratic representatives in the Imperial Cabinet as well as the
secretaries if the Trades Unions and the street agitators. Everywhere
the same sinister picture presented itself. I shall never forget the
row of names- Austerlitz, David, Adler, Ellonbogen, and others. One
fact became quite evident to me. It was that this alien race held in
its hands the leadership of that Social Democratic Party with whose
minor representatives I had been disputing for months past."

Solzhenitsyn named in his book the six top administrators of the
Soviet death camps. All six of them were Jews.

Here is something the National Socialists wrote:
"The Soviet Union was in fact a paradise for one group: the Jews. Even
at times when for foreign policy reasons Jews were less evident in the
government, or when they ruled through straw men, the Jews were always
visible in the middle and lower levels of the administration."

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Leon Degrelle

"We have the power. Now our gigantic work begins."
Those were Hitler's words on the night of January 30, 1933, as
cheering crowds surged past him, for five long hours, beneath the
windows of the Chancellery in Berlin.

His political struggle had lasted 14 years. He himself was 43, that
is, physically and intellectually at the peak of his powers. He had
won over millions of Germans and organized them into Germany's largest
and most dynamic political party, a party girded by a human rampart of
hundreds of thousands of storm troopers, three fourths of them members
of the working class. He had been extremely shrewd. All but toying
with his adversaries, Hitler had, one after another, vanquished them
all.

Standing there at the window, his arm raised to the delirious throng,
he must have known a feeling of triumph. But he seemed almost torpid,
absorbed, as if lost in another world.

It was a world far removed from the delirium in the street, a world of
65 million citizens who loved him or hated him, but all of whom, from
that night on, had become his responsibility. And as he knew-as almost
all Germans knew on January 1933 -- that this was a crushing, an
almost desperate responsibility.

Half a century later, few people understand the crisis Germany faced
at that time. Today, it's easy to assume that Germans have always been
well-fed and even plump. But the Germans Hitler inherited were virtual
skeletons.

During the preceding years, a score of "democratic" governments had
come and gone, often in utter confusion. Instead of alleviating the
people's misery, they had increased it, due to their own instability:
it was impossible for them to pursue any given plan for more than a
year or two. Germany had arrived at a dead end. In just a few years
there had been 224,000 suicides - a horrifying figure, bespeaking a
state of misery even more horrifying.

By the beginning of 1933, the misery of the German people was
virtually universal. At least six million unemployed and hungry
workers roamed aimlessly through the streets, receiving a pitiful
unemployment benefit of less than 42 marks per month. Many of those
out of work had families to feed, so that altogether some 20 million
Germans, a third of the country's population, were reduced to trying
to survive on about 40 pfennigs per person per day.

Unemployment benefits, moreover, were limited to a period of six
months. After that came only the meager misery allowance dispensed by
the welfare offices.

Notwithstanding the gross inadequacy of this assistance, by trying to
save the six million unemployed from total destruction, even for just
six months, both the state and local branches of the German government
saw themselves brought to ruin: in 1932 alone such aid had swallowed
up four billion marks, 57 percent of the total tax revenues of the
federal government and the regional states. A good many German
municipalities were bankrupt.

Those still lucky enough to have some kind of job were not much better
off. Workers and employees had taken a cut of 25 percent in their
wages and salaries. Twenty-one percent of them were earning between
100 and 250 marks per month; 69.2 percent of them, in January of 1933,
were being paid less than 1,200 marks annually. No more than about
100,000 Germans, it was estimated, were able to live without financial
worries.

During the three years before Hitler came to power, total earnings had
fallen by more than half, from 23 billion marks to 11 billion. The
average per capita income had dropped from 1,187 marks in 1929 to 627
marks, a scarcely tolerable level, in 1932. By January 1933, when
Hitler took office, 90 percent of the German people were destitute.
No one escaped the strangling effects of the unemployment. The
intellectuals were hit as hard as the working class. Of the 135,000
university graduates, 60 percent were without jobs. Only a tiny
minority was receiving unemployment benefits.

"The others," wrote one foreign observer, Marcel Laloire (in his book
New Germany), "are dependent on their parents or are sleeping in
flophouses. In the daytime they can be seen on the boulevards of
Berlin wearing signs on their backs to the effect that they will
accept any kind of work."

But there was no longer any kind of work.
The same drastic fall-off had hit Germany's cottage industry, which
comprised some four million workers. Its turnover had declined 55
percent, with total sales plunging from 22 billion to 10 billion
marks.

Hardest hit of all were construction workers; 90 percent of them were
unemployed.

Farmers, too, had been ruined, crushed by losses amounting to 12
billion marks. Many had been forced to mortgage their homes and their
land. In 1932 just the interest on the loans they had incurred due to
the crash was equivalent to 20 percent of the value of the
agricultural production of the entire country. Those who were no
longer able to meet the interest payments saw their farms auctioned
off in legal proceedings: in the years 1931-1932, 17,157 farms-with a
combined total area of 462,485 hectares - were liquidated in this way.
The "democracy" of Germany's "Weimar Republic" (1918 -1933) had proven
utterly ineffective in addressing such flagrant wrongs as this
impoverishment of millions of farm workers, even though they were the
nation's most stable and hardest working citizens. Plundered,
dispossessed, abandoned: small wonder they heeded Hitler's call.
Their situation on January 30, 1933, was tragic. Like the rest of
Germany's working class, they had been betrayed by their political
leaders, reduced to the alternatives of miserable wages, paltry and
uncertain benefit payments, or the outright humiliation of begging.
Germany's industries, once renowned everywhere in the world, were no
longer prosperous, despite the millions of marks in gratuities that
the financial magnates felt obliged to pour into the coffers of the
parties in power before each election in order to secure their
cooperation. For 14 years the well-blinkered conservatives and
Christian democrats of the political center had been feeding at the
trough just as greedily as their adversaries of the left..

One inevitable consequence of this ever-increasing misery and
uncertainty about the future was an abrupt decline in the birthrate.
When your household savings are wiped out, and when you fear even
greater calamities in the days ahead, you do not risk adding to the
number of your dependents.

In those days the birth rate was a reliable barometer of a country's
prosperity. A child is a joy, unless you have nothing but a crust of
bread to put in its little hand. And that's just the way it was with
hundreds of thousands of German families in 1932..

Hitler knew that he would be starting from zero. From less than zero.
But he was also confident of his strength of will to create Germany
anew-politically, socially, financially, and economically. Now legally
and officially in power, he was sure that he could quickly convert
that cipher into a Germany more powerful than ever before.
What support did he have?

For one thing, he could count on the absolute support of millions of
fanatical disciples. And on that January evening, they joyfully shared
in the great thrill of victory. Some thirteen million Germans, many of
them former Socialists and Communists, had voted for his party.
But millions of Germans were still his adversaries, disconcerted
adversaries, to be sure, whom their own political parties had
betrayed, but who had still not been won over to National Socialism.
The two sides-those for and those against Hitler-were very nearly
equal in numbers. But whereas those on the left were divided among
themselves, Hitler's disciples were strongly united. And in one thing
above all, the National Socialists had an incomparable advantage: in
their convictions and in their total faith in a leader. Their highly
organized and well-disciplined party had contented with the worst kind
of obstacles, and had overcome them..

In the eyes of the capitalists, money was the sole active element in
the flourishing of a country's economy. To Hitler's way of thinking,
that conception was radically wrong: capital, on the contrary, was
only an instrument. Work was the essential element: man's endeavor,
man's honor, blood, muscles and soul.

Hitler wanted not just to put an to the class struggle, but to
reestablish the priority of the human being, in justice and respect,
as the principal factor in production..

For the worker's trust in the fatherland to be restored, he had to
feel that from now on he was to be (and to be treated) as an equal,
instead of remaining a social inferior. Under the governments of the
so-called democratic parties of both the left and the right, he had
remained an inferior; for none of them had understood that in the
hierarchy of national values, work is the very essence of life; ..

The objective, then, was far greater than merely getting six million
unemployed back to work. It was to achieve a total revolution.
"The people," Hitler declared, "were not put here on earth for the
sake of the economy, and the economy doesn't exist for the sake of
capital. On the contrary, capital is meant to serve the economy, and
the economy in turn to serve the people."

It would not be enough merely to reopen the thousands of closed
factories and fill them with workers. If the old concepts still ruled,
the workers would once again be nothing more than living machines,
faceless and interchangeable..

Nowhere in twentieth-century Europe had the authority of a head of
state ever been based on such overwhelming and freely given national
consent. Prior to Hitler, from 1919 to 1932, those governments piously
styling themselves democratic had usually come to power by meager
majorities, sometimes as low as 51 or 52 percent.

"I am not a dictator," Hitler had often affirmed, "and I never will
be. Democracy will be rigorously enforced by National Socialism."
Authority does not mean tyranny. A tyrant is someone who puts himself
in power without the will of the people or against the will of the
people. A democrat is placed in power by the people. But democracy is
not limited to a single formula. It may be partisan or parliamentary.
Or it may be authoritarian. The important thing is that the people
have wished it, chosen it, established it in its given form.

That was the case with Hitler. He came to power in an essentially
democratic way. Whether one likes it or not, this fact is undeniable.
And after coming to power, his popular support measurably increased
from year to year. The more intelligent and honest of his enemies have
been obliged to admit this, men such as the declared anti-Nazi
historian and professor Joachim Fest, who wrote:

For Hitler was never interested in establishing a mere tyranny. Sheer
greed for power will not suffice as explanation for his personality
and energy-He was not born to be a mere tyrant. He was fixated upon
his mission of defending Europe and the Aryan race ... Never had he
felt so dependent upon the masses as he did at this time, and he
watched their reactions with anxious concern.
These lines weren't written by Dr. Goebbels, but by a stern critic of
Hitler and his career..

When it came time to vote, Hitler was granted plenary powers with a
sweeping majority of 441 votes to 94: he had won not just two thirds,
but 82.44 percent of the assembly's votes. This "Enabling Act" granted
Hitler for four years virtually absolute authority over the
legislative as well as the executive affairs of the government..

After 1945 the explanation that was routinely offered for all this was
that the Germans had lost their heads. Whatever the case, it is a
historical fact that they acted of their own free will. Far from being
resigned, they were enthusiastic. "For the first time since the last
days of the monarchy," historian Joachim Fest has conceded, "the
majority of the Germans now had the feeling that they could identify
with the state."..

"You talk about persecution!" he thundered in an impromptu response to
an address by the Social Democratic speaker. "I think that there are
only a few of us [in our party] here who did not have to suffer
persecutions in prison from your side ... You seem to have totally
forgotten that for years our shirts were ripped off our backs because
you did not like the color . . . We have outgrown your persecutions!"
"In those days," he scathingly continued, "our newspapers were banned
and banned and again banned, our meetings were forbidden, and we were
forbidden to speak, I was forbidden to speak, for years on. And now
you say that criticism is salutary!"..

Hitler's millions of followers had rediscovered the primal strength of
rough, uncitified man, of a time when men still had backbone..

Gustav Noske, the lumberjack who became defense minister - and the
most valiant defender of the embattled republic in the tumultuous
months immediately following the collapse of 1918 - acknowledged
honestly in 1944, when the Third Reich was already rapidly breaking
down, that the great majority of the German people still remained true
to Hitler because of the social renewal he had brought to the working
class..

Here again, well before the collapse of party-ridden Weimar Republic,
disillusion with the unions had become widespread among the working
masses. They were starving. The hundreds of Socialist and Communist
deputies stood idly by, impotent to provide any meaningful help to the
desperate proletariat.

Their leaders had no proposals to remedy, even partially, the great
distress of the people; no plans for large-scale public works, no
industrial restructuring, no search for markets abroad.
Moreover, they offered no energetic resistance to the pillaging by
foreign countries of the Reich's last financial resources: this a
consequence of the Treaty of Versailles that the German Socialists had
voted to ratify in June of 1919, and which they had never since had
the courage effectively to oppose..

In 1930, 1931 and 1932, German workers had watched the disaster grow:
the number of unemployed rose from two million to three, to four, to
five, then to six million. At the same time, unemployment benefits
fell lower and lower, finally to disappear completely. Everywhere one
saw dejection and privation: emaciated mothers, children wasting away
in sordid lodgings, and thousands of beggars in long sad lines.
The failure, or incapacity, of the leftist leaders to act, not to
mention their insensitivity, had stupefied the working class. Of what
use were such leaders with their empty heads and empty hearts-and,
often enough, full pockets?

Well before January 30, thousands of workers had already joined up
with Hitler's dynamic formations, which were always hard at it where
they were most needed. Many joined the National Socialists when they
went on strike. Hitler, himself a former worker and a plain man like
themselves, was determined to eliminate unemployment root and branch.
He wanted not merely to defend the laborer's right to work, but to
make his calling one of honor, to insure him respect and to integrate
him fully into a living community of all the Germans, who had been
divided class against class.

In January 1933, Hitler's victorious troops were already largely
proletarian in character, including numerous hardfisted street
brawlers, many unemployed, who no longer counted economically or
socially.

Meanwhile, membership in the Marxist labor unions had fallen off
enormously: among thirteen million socialist and Communist voters in
1932, no more than five million were union members. Indifference and
discouragement had reached such levels that many members no longer
paid their union dues. Many increasingly dispirited Marxist leaders
began to wonder if perhaps the millions of deserters were the ones who
saw things clearly. Soon they wouldn't wonder any longer.
Even before Hitler won Reichstag backing for his "Enabling Act,"
Germany's giant labor union federation, the ADGB, had begun to rally
to the National Socialist cause. As historian Joachim Fest
acknowledged: "On March 20, the labor federation's executive committee
addressed a kind of declaration of loyalty to Hitler." (J. Fest,
Hitler, p. 413.)

Hitler than took a bold and clever step. The unions had always
clamored to have the First of May recognized as a worker's holiday,
but the Weimar Republic had never acceded to their request. Hitler,
never missing an opportunity, grasped this one with both hands. He did
more than grant this reasonable demand: he proclaimed the First of May
a national holiday..

I myself attended the memorable meeting at the Tempelhof field in
1933. By nine o'clock that morning, giant columns, some of workers,
others of youth groups, marching in cadence down the pavement of
Berlin's great avenues, had started off towards the airfield to which
Hitler had called together all Germans. All Germany would follow the
rally as it was transmitted nationwide by radio..

In the dark, a group of determined opponents could easily have heckled
Hitler or otherwise sabotaged the meeting. Perhaps a third of the
onlookers had been Socialists or Communists only three months
previously. But not a single hostile voice was raised during the
entire ceremony. There was only universal acclamation.
Ceremony is the right word for it. It was an almost magical rite.
Hitler and Goebbels had no equals in the arranging of dedicatory
ceremonies of this sort. First there were popular songs, then great
Wagnerian hymns to grip the audience. Germany has a passion for
orchestral music, and Wagner taps the deepest and most secret vein of
the German soul, its romanticism, its inborn sense of the powerful and
the grand.

Meanwhile the hundreds of flags floated above the rostrum, redeemed
from the darkness by arrows of light.

Now Hitler strode to the rostrum. For those standing at the of the
field, his face must have appeared vanishingly small, but his words
flooded instantaneously across the acres of people in his audience.
A Latin audience would have preferred a voice less harsh, more
delicately expressive. But there was no doubt that Hitler spoke to the
psyche of the German people.

Germans have rarely had the good fortune to experience the enchantment
of the spoken word. In Germany, the tone has always been set by
ponderous speakers, more fond of elephantine pedantry than oratorical
passion. Hitler, as a speaker, was a prodigy, the greatest orator of
his century. He possessed, above all, what the ordinary speaker lacks:
a mysterious ability to project power.

A bit like a medium or sorcerer, he was seized, even transfixed, as he
addressed a crowd. It responded to Hitler's projection of power,
radiating it back, establishing, in the course of myriad exchanges, a
current that both orator and audience gave to and drew from equally.
One had to personally experience him speaking to understand this
phenomenon.

This special gift is what lay at the basis of Hitler's ability to win
over the masses. His high-voltage, lightning-like projection
transported and transformed all who experienced it. Tens of millions
were enlightened, riveted and inflamed by the fire of his anger,
irony, and passion.

By the time the cheering died away that May first evening, hundreds of
thousands of previously indifferent or even hostile workers who had
come to Tempelhof at the urging of their labor federation leaders were
now won over. They had become followers, like the SA stormtroopers
whom so many there that evening had brawled with in recent years.
The great human sea surged back from Tempelhof to Berlin. A million
and a half people had arrived in perfect order, and their departure
was just as orderly. No bottlenecks halted the cars and busses. For
those of us who witnessed it, this rigorous, yet joyful, discipline of
a contented people was in itself a source of wonder. Everything about
the May Day mass meeting had come off as smoothly clockwork.
The memory of that fabulous crowd thronging back to the center of
Berlin will never leave me. A great many were on foot. Their faces
were now different faces, as though they had been imbued with a
strange and totally new spirit. The non-Germans in the crowd were as
if stunned, and no less impressed than Hitler's fellow countrymen.
The French ambassador, Andr� Fran�ois-Poncet, noted:
The foreigners on the speaker's platform as guests of honor were not
alone in carrying away the impression of a truly beautiful and
wonderful public festival, an impression that was created by the
regime's genius for organization, by the night time display of
uniforms, by the play of lights, the rhythm of the music, by the flags
and the colorful fireworks; and they were not alone in thinking that a
breath of reconciliation and unity was passing over the Third Reich.
"It is our wish," Hitler had exclaimed, as though taking heaven as his
witness, "to get along together and to struggle together as brothers,
so that at the hour when we shall come before God, we might say to
him: 'See, Lord, we have changed. The German people are no longer a
people ashamed, a people mean and cowardly and divided. No, Lord! The
German people have become strong in their spirit, in their will, in
their perseverance, in their acceptance of any sacrifice. Lord, we
remain faithful to Thee! Bless our struggle!" (A. Fran�ois-Poncet,
Souvenirs d'une ambassade � Berlin, p. 128.)

Who else could have made such an incantatory appeal without making
himself look ridiculous?

No politician had ever spoken of the rights of workers with such faith
and such force, or had laid out in such clear terms the social plan he
pledged to carry out on behalf of the common people.

The next day, the newspaper of the proletarian left, the "Union
Journal," reported on this mass meeting at which at least two thirds-a
million-of those attending were workers. "This May First was victory
day," the paper summed up.

With the workers thus won over, what further need was there for the
thousands of labor union locals that for so long had poisoned the
social life of the Reich and which, in any case, had accomplished
nothing of a lasting, positive nature?

Within hours of the conclusion of that "victory" meeting at the
Tempelhof field, the National Socialists were able to peacefully take
complete control of Germany's entire labor union organization,
including all its buildings, enterprises and banks. An era of Marxist
obstruction abruptly came to an end : from now on, a single national
organization would embody the collective will and interests of all of
Germany's workers.

Although he was now well on his way to creating what he pledged would
be a true "government of the people," Hitler also realized that great
obstacles remained. For one thing, the Communist rulers in Moscow had
not dropped their guard-or their guns. Restoring the nation would take
more than words and promises, it would take solid achievements. Only
then would the enthusiasm shown by the working class at the May First
mass meeting be an expression of lasting victory.

How could Hitler solve the great problem that had defied solution by
everyone else (both in Germany and abroad): putting millions of
unemployed back to work?

What would Hitler do about wages? Working hours? Leisure time?
Housing? How would he succeed in winning, at long last, respect for
the rights and dignity of the worker?

How could men's lives be improved-materially, morally, and, one might
even say, spiritually? How would he proceed to build a new society fit
for human beings, free of the inertia, injustices and prejudices of
the past?

"National Socialism," Hitler had declared at the outset, "has its
mission and its hour; it is not just a passing movement but a phase of
history."

The instruments of real power now in his hands-an authoritarian state,
its provinces subordinate but nonetheless organic parts of the
national whole-Hitler had acted quickly to shake himself free of the
last constraints of the impotent sectarian political parties.
Moreover, he was now able to direct a cohesive labor force that was no
longer split into a thousand rivulets but flowed as a single, mighty
current.

Hitler was self-confident, sure of the power of his own conviction. He
had no intention, or need, to resort to the use of physical force.
Instead, he intended to win over, one by one, the millions of Germans
who were still his adversaries, and even those who still hated him.
His conquest of Germany had taken years of careful planning and hard
work. Similarly, he would now realize his carefully worked out plans
for transforming the state and society. This meant not merely changes
in administrative or governmental structures, but far-reaching social
programs.

He had once vowed: "The hour will come when the 15 million people who
now hate us will be solidly behind us and will acclaim with us the new
revival we shall create together." Eventually he would succeed in
winning over even many of his most refractory skeptics and
adversaries.

His army of converts was already forming ranks. In a remarkable
tribute, historian Joachim Fest felt obliged to acknowledge
unequivocally:

Hitler had moved rapidly from the status of a demagogue to that of a
respected statesman. The craving to join the ranks of the victors was
spreading like an epidemic, and the shrunken minority of those who
resisted the urge were being visibly pushed into isolation-The past
was dead. The future, it seemed, belonged to the regime, which had
more and more followers, which was being hailed everywhere and
suddenly had sound reasons on its side.

And even the prominent leftist writer Kurt Tucholsky, sensing the
direction of the inexorable tide that was sweeping Germany, vividly
commented: "You don't go railing against the ocean." (J. Fest, Hitler,
pp. 415 f.)

"Our power," Hitler was now able to declare, "no longer belongs to any
territorial fraction of the Reich, nor to any single class of the
nation, but to the people in its totality."

Much still remained to be done, however. So far, Hitler had succeeded
in clearing the way of obstacles to his program. Now the time to build
had arrived.

So many others had failed to tackle the many daunting problems that
were now his responsibility. Above all, the nation demanded a solution
to the great problem of unemployment. Could Hitler now succeed where
others had so dismally failed?..

Unemployment could be combated and eliminated only by giving industry
the financial means to start up anew, to modernize, thus creating
millions of new jobs.

The normal rate of consumption would not be restored, let alone
increased, unless one first raised the starvation-level allowances
that were making purchases of any kind a virtual impossibility. On the
contrary, production and sales would have to be restored before the
six million unemployed could once again become purchasers.
The great economic depression could be overcome only by restimulating
industry, by bringing industry into step with the times, and by
promoting the development of new products..

Nearly ten years earlier, while in his prison cell, Hitler had already
envisioned a formidable system of national highways. He had also
conceived of a small, easily affordable automobile (later known as the
"Volkswagen"), and had even suggested its outline. It should have the
shape of a June bug, he proposed. Nature itself suggested the car's
aerodynamic line.

Until Hitler came to power, a car was the privilege of the rich. It
was not financially within the reach of the middle class, much less of
the worker. The "Volkswagen," costing one-tenth as much as the
standard automobile of earlier years, would eventually become a
popular work vehicle and a source of pleasure after work: a way to
unwind and get some fresh air, and of discovering, thanks to the new
Autobahn highway network, a magnificent country that then, in its
totality, was virtually unknown to the German worker.

From the beginning, Hitler wanted this economical new car to be built
for the millions. The production works would also become one of
Germany's most important industrial centers and employers.
During his imprisonment, Hitler had also drawn up plans for the
construction of popular housing developments and majestic public
buildings.

Some of Hitler's rough sketches still survive. They include groups of
individual worker's houses with their own gardens (which were to be
built in the hundreds of thousands), a plan for a covered stadium in
Berlin, and a vast congress hall, unlike any other in the world, that
would symbolize the grandeur of the National Socialist revolution.
"A building with a monumental dome," historian Werner Maser has
explained, "the plan of which he drew while he was writing Mein Kampf,
would have a span of 46 meters, a height of 220 meters, a diameter of
250 meters, and a capacity of 150 to 190 thousand people standing. The
interior of the building would have been 17 times larger than Saint
Peter's Cathedral in Rome." (W. Maser, Hitler, Adolf, p. 100.)

"That hall," architect Albert Speer has pointed out, "was not just an
idle dream impossible of achievement."

Hitler's imagination, therefore, had long been teeming with a number
of ambitious projects, many of which would eventually be realized.
Fortunately, the needed entrepreneurs, managers and technicians were
on hand. Hitler would not have to improvise.

Historian Werner Maser, although quite anti-Hitler-like nearly all of
his colleagues (how else would they have found publishers?) - has
acknowledged: "From the beginning of his political career, he [Hitler]
took great pains systematically to arrange for whatever he was going
to need in order to carry out his plans."

"Hitler was distinguished," Maser has also noted, "by an exceptional
intelligence in technical matters." Hitler had acquired his knowledge
by devoting many thousands of hours to technical studies from the time
of his youth.

"Hitler read an endless number of books," explained Dr. Schacht. "He
acquired a very considerable amount of knowledge and made masterful
use of it in discussions and speeches. In certain respects he was a
man endowed with genius. He had ideas that no one else would ever have
thought of, ideas that resulted in the ending of great difficulties,
sometimes by measures of an astonishing simplicity or brutality."
Many billions of marks would be needed to begin the great
socioeconomic revolution that was destined, as Hitler had always
intended, to make Germany once again the European leader in industry
and commerce and, most urgently, to rapidly wipe out unemployment in
Germany. Where would the money be found? And, once obtained, how would
these funds be allotted to ensure maximum effectiveness in their
investment?

Hitler was by no means a dictator in matters of the economy. He was,
rather, a stimulator. His government would undertake to do only that
which private initiative could not.

Hitler believed in the importance of individual creative imagination
and dynamism, in the need for every person of superior ability and
skill to assume responsibility.

He also recognized the importance of the profit motive. Deprived of
the prospect of having his efforts rewarded, the person of ability
often refrains from running risks. The economic failure of Communism
has demonstrated this. In the absence of personal incentives and the
opportunity for real individual initiative, the Soviet "command
economy" lagged in all but a few fields, its industry years behind its
competitors.

State monopoly tolls the death of all initiative, and hence of all
progress.

For all men selflessly to pool their wealth might be marvelous, but it
is also contrary to human nature. Nearly every man desires that his
labor shall improve his own condition and that of his family, and
feels that his brain, creative imagination, and persistence well
deserve their reward.

Because it disregarded these basic psychological truths, Soviet
Communism, right to the end, wallowed in economic mediocrity, in spite
of its immense reservoir of manpower, its technical expertise, and its
abundant natural resources, all of which ought to have made it an
industrial and technological giant.

Hitler was always adverse to the idea of state management of the
economy. He believed in elites. "A single idea of genius," he used to
say, "has more value than a lifetime of conscientious labor in an
office."

Just as there are political or intellectual elites, so also is there
an industrial elite. A manufacturer of great ability should not be
restrained, hunted down by the internal revenue services like a
criminal, or be unappreciated by the public. On the contrary, it is
important for economic development that the industrialist be
encouraged morally and materially, as much as possible.

The most fruitful initiatives Hitler would take from 1933 on would be
on behalf of private enterprise. He would keep an eye on the quality
of their directors, to be sure, and would shunt aside incompetents,
quite a few of them at times, but he also supported the best ones,
those with the keenest minds, the most imaginative and bold, even if
their political opinions did not always agree with his own.
"There is no question," he stated very firmly, "of dismissing a
factory owner or director under the pretext that he is not a National
Socialist."

Hitler would exercise the same moderation, the same pragmatism, in the
administrative as well as in the industrial sphere.
What he demanded of his co-workers, above all, was competence and
effectiveness. The great majority of Third Reich functionaries - some
80 percent-were never enrolled in the National Socialist party.
Several of Hitler's ministers, like Konstantin von Neurath and
Schwerin von Krosigk, and ambassadors to such key posts as Prague,
Vienna and Ankara, were not members of the party. But they were
capable..

"Herr Schacht," he said, "we are assuredly in agreement on one point:
no other single task facing the government at the moment can be so
truly urgent as conquering unemployment. That will take a lot of
money. Do you see any possibility of finding it apart from the
Reichsbank?" And after a moment, he added: "How much would it take? Do
you have any idea?"

Wishing to win Schacht over by appealing to his ambition, Hitler
smiled and then asked: "Would you be willing to once again assume
presidency of the Reichsbank?" Schacht let on that he had a
sentimental concern for Dr. Luther, and did not want to hurt the
incumbent's feelings. Playing along, Hitler reassured Schacht that he
would find an appropriate new job elsewhere for Luther.
Schacht then pricked up his ears, drew himself up, and focused his big
round eyes on Hitler: "Well, if that's the way it is," he said, "then
I am ready to assume the presidency of the Reichsbank again."
His great dream was being realized. Schacht had been president of the
Reichsbank between 1923 and 1930, but had been dismissed. Now he would
return in triumph. He felt vindicated. Within weeks, the ingenious
solution to Germany's pressing financial woes would burst forth from
his inventive brain.

"It was necessary," Schacht later explained, "to discover a method
that would avoid inflating the investment holdings of the Reichsbank
immoderately and consequently increasing the circulation of money
excessively."

"Therefore," he went on, "I had to find some means of getting the sums
that were lying idle in pockets and banks, without meaning for it to
be long term and without having it undergo the risk of depreciation.
That was the reasoning behind the Mefo bonds."


What were these "Mefo" bonds? Mefo was a contraction of the
Metallurgische Forschungs-GmbH (Metallurgic Research Company). With a
startup capitalization of one billion marks - which Hitler and Schacht
arranged to be provided by the four giant firms of Krupp, Siemens,
Deutsche Werke and Rheinmetall-this company would eventually promote
many billions of marks worth of investment.

Enterprises, old and new, that filled government orders had only to
draw drafts on Mefo for the amounts due. These drafts, when presented
to the Reichsbank, were immediately convertible into cash. The success
of the Mefo program depended entirely on public acceptance of the Mefo
bonds. But the wily Schacht had planned well. Since Mefo bonds were
short-term bonds that could be cashed in at any time, there was no
real risk in buying, accepting or holding them. They bore an interest
of four percent-a quite acceptable figure in those days-whereas
banknotes hidden under the mattress earned nothing. The public quickly
took all this into consideration and eagerly accepted the bonds.
While the Reichsbank was able to offer from its own treasury a
relatively insignificant 150 million marks for Hitler's war on
unemployment, in just four years the German public subscribed more
than 12 billion marks worth of Mefo bonds!

These billions, the fruit of the combined imagination, ingenuity and
astuteness of Hitler and Schacht, swept away the temporizing and
fearful conservatism of the bankers. Over the next four years, this
enormous credit reserve would make miracles possible.

Soon after the initial billion-mark credit, Schacht added another
credit of 600 million in order to finance the start of Hitler's grand
program for highway construction. This Autobahn program provided
immediate work for 100,000 of the unemployed, and eventually assured
wages for some 500,000 workers.

As large as this outlay was, it was immediately offset by a
corresponding cutback in government unemployment benefits, and by the
additional tax revenue generated as a result of the increase in living
standard (sping) of the newly employed.

Within a few months, thanks to the credit created by the Mefo bonds,
private industry once again dared to assume risks and expand. Germans
returned to work by the hundreds of thousands.

Was Schacht solely responsible for this extraordinary turnaround?
After the war, he answered for himself as a Nuremberg Tribunal
defendant, where he was charged with having made possible the Reich's
economic revival:

I don't think Hitler was reduced to begging for my help. If I had not
served him, he would have found other methods, other means. He was not
a man to give up. It's easy enough for you to say, Mr. Prosecutor,
that I should have watched Hitler die and not lifted a finger. But the
entire working class would have died with him!

Even Marxists recognized Hitler's success, and their own failure. In
the June 1934 issue of the Zeitschrift f�r Sozialismus, the journal of
the German Social Democrats in exile, this acknowledgement appears:
Faced with the despair of proletarians reduced to joblessness, of
young people with diplomas and no future, of the middle classes of
merchants and artisans condemned to bankruptcy, and of farmers
terribly threatened by the collapse in agricultural prices, we all
failed. We weren't capable of offering the masses anything but
speeches about the glory of socialism.

VI. The Social Revolution
Hitler's tremendous social achievement in putting Germany's six
million unemployed back to work is seldom acknowledged today. Although
it was much more than a transitory achievement, "democratic"
historians routinely dismiss it in just a few lines. Since 1945, not a
single objective scholarly study has been devoted to this highly
significant, indeed unprecedented, historical phenomenon.
Similarly neglected is the body of sweeping reforms that dramatically
changed the condition of the worker in Germany. Factories were
transformed from gloomy caverns to spacious and healthy work centers,
with natural lighting, surrounded by gardens and playing fields.
Hundreds of thousands of attractive houses were built for working
class families. A policy of several weeks of paid vacation was
introduced, along with week and holiday trips by land and sea. A
wide-ranging program of physical and cultural education for young
workers was established, with the world's best system of technical
training. The Third Reich's social security and workers' health
insurance system was the world's most modern and complete.
This remarkable record of social achievement is routinely hushed up
today because it is embarrasses those who uphold the orthodox view of
the Third Reich. Otherwise, readers might begin to think that perhaps
Hitler was the greatest social builder of the twentieth century..

Nevertheless, restoring work and bread to millions of unemployed who
had been living in misery for years; restructuring industrial life;
conceiving and establishing an organization for the effective defense
and betterment of the nation's millions of wage earners; creating a
new bureaucracy and judicial system that guaranteed the civic rights
of each member of the national community, while simultaneously holding
each person to his or her responsibilities as a German citizen: this
organic body of reforms was part of a single, comprehensive plan,
which Hitler had conceived and worked out years earlier.
Without this plan, the nation would have collapsed into anarchy.
All-encompassing, this program included broad industrial recovery as
well as detailed attention to even construction of comfortable inns
along the new highway network.

It took several years for a stable social structure to emerge from the
French Revolution. The Soviets needed even more time: five years after
the Bolshevik revolution of 1917, hundreds of thousands of Russians
were still dying of hunger and disease. In Germany, by contrast, the
great machinery was in motion within months, with organization and
accomplishment quickly meshing together..

Hitler personally dug the first spadeful of earth for the first
Autobahn highway, linking Frankfurt-am-Main with Darmstadt. For the
occasion, he brought along Dr. Schacht, the man whose visionary credit
wizardry had made the project possible. The official procession moved
ahead, three cars abreast in front, then six across, spanning the
entire width of the autobahn..

Hitler's plan to build thousands of low-cost homes also demanded a
vast mobilization of manpower. He had envisioned housing that would be
attractive, cozy, and affordable for millions of ordinary German
working-class families. He had no intention of continuing to tolerate,
as his predecessors had, cramped, ugly "rabbit warren" housing for the
German people. The great barracks-like housing projects on the
outskirts of factory towns, packed with cramped families, disgusted
him.

The greater part of the houses he would build were single story,
detached dwellings, with small yards where children could romp, wives
could grow vegetable and flower gardens, while the bread-winners could
read their newspapers in peace after the day's work. These
single-family homes were built to conform to the architectural styles
of the various German regions, retaining as much as possible the
charming local variants.

Wherever there was no practical alternative to building large
apartment complexes, Hitler saw to it that the individual apartments
were spacious, airy and enhanced by surrounding lawns and gardens
where the children could play safely.

The new housing was, of course, built in conformity with the highest
standards of public health, a consideration notoriously neglected in
previous working-class projects.

Generous loans, amortizable in ten years, were granted to newly
married couples so they could buy their own homes. At the birth of
each child, a fourth of the debt was cancelled. Four children, at the
normal rate of a new arrival every two and a half years, sufficed to
cancel the entire loan debt.

Once, during a conversation with Hitler, I expressed my astonishment
at this policy. "But then, you never get back the total amount of your
loans?," I asked. "How so?" he replied, smiling. "Over a period of ten
years, a family with four children brings in much more than our loans,
through the taxes levied on a hundred different items of consumption."
As it happened, tax revenues increased every year, in proportion to
the rise in expenditures for Hitler's social programs. In just a few
years, revenue from taxes tripled. Hitler's Germany never experienced
a financial crisis.

To stimulate the moribund economy demanded the nerve, which Hitler
had, to invest money that the government didn't yet have, rather than
passively waiting-in accordance with "sound" financial principles-for
the economy to revive by itself.

Today, our whole era is dying economically because we have succumbed
to fearful hesitation. Enrichment follows investment, not the other
way around..

Even before the year 1933 had ended, Hitler had succeeded in building
202,119 housing units. Within four years he would provide the German
people with nearly a million and a half (1,458,128) new dwellings!
Moreover, workers would no longer be exploited as they had been. A
month's rent for a worker could not exceed 26 marks, or about an
eighth of the average wage then. Employees with more substantial
salaries paid monthly rents of up to 45 marks maximum.

Equally effective social measures were taken in behalf of farmers, who
had the lowest incomes. In 1933 alone 17,611 new farm houses were
built, each of them surrounded by a parcel of land one thousand square
meters in size. Within three years, Hitler would build 91,000 such
farmhouses..

Everywhere industry was hiring again, with some firms-like Krupp, IG
Farben and the large automobile manufacturers-taking on new workers on
a very large scale. As the country became more prosperous, car sales
increased by more than 80,000 units in 1933 alone. Employment in the
auto industry doubled. Germany was gearing up for full production,
with private industry leading the way.

The new government lavished every assistance on the private sector,
the chief factor in employment as well as production. Hitler almost
immediately made available 500 million marks in credits to private
business.

This start-up assistance given to German industry would repay itself
many times over. Soon enough, another two billion marks would be
loaned to the most enterprising companies. Nearly half would go into
new wages and salaries, saving the treasury an estimated three hundred
million marks in unemployment benefits. Added to the hundreds of
millions in tax receipts spurred by the business recovery, the state
quickly recovered its investment, and more.

Hitler's entire economic policy would be based on the following
equation: risk large sums to undertake great public works and to spur
the renewal and modernization of industry, then later recover the
billions invested through invisible and painless tax revenues. It
didn't take long for Germany to see the results of Hitler's recovery
formula.

Economic recovery, as important as it was, nevertheless wasn't
Hitler's only objective. As he strived to restore full employment,
Hitler never lost sight of his goal of creating a organization
powerful enough to stand up to capitalist owners and managers, who had
shown little concern for the health and welfare of the entire national
community.

Hitler would impose on everyone-powerful boss and lowly wage earner
alike-his own concept of the organic social community. Only the loyal
collaboration of everyone could assure the prosperity of all classes
and social groups.

Consistent with their doctrine, Germany's Marxist leaders had set
class against class, helping to bring the country to the brink of
economic collapse. Deserting their Marxist unions and political
parties in droves, most workers had come to realize that strikes and
grievances their leaders incited only crippled production, and thus
the workers as well.

By the of 1932, in any case, the discredited labor unions were
drowning in massive debt that realistically could never be repaid.
Some of the less scrupulous union officials, sensing the oncoming
catastrophe, had begun stealing hundreds of thousands of marks from
the workers they represented. The Marxist leaders had failed:
socially, financially and morally.

Every joint human activity requires a leader. The head of a factory or
business is also the person naturally responsible for it. He oversees
every aspect of production and work. In Hitler's Germany, the head of
a business had to be both a capable director and a person concerned
for the social justice and welfare of his employees. Under Hitler,
many owners and managers who had proven to be unjust, incompetent or
recalcitrant lost their jobs, or their businesses.

A considerable number of legal guarantees protected the worker against
any abuse of authority at the workplace. Their purpose was to insure
that the rights of workers were respected, and that workers were
treated as worthy collaborators, not just as animated tools. Each
industrialist was legally obliged to collaborate with worker delegates
in drafting shop regulations that were not imposed from above but
instead adapted to each business enterprise and its particular working
conditions. These regulations had to specify "the length of the
working day, the time and method of paying wages, and the safety
rules, and to be posted throughout the factory," within easy access of
both the worker whose interests might be angered and the owner or
manager whose orders might be subverted.

The thousands of different, individual versions of such regulations
served to create a healthy rivalry, with every factory group vying to
outdo the others in efficiency and justice.

One of the first reforms to benefit German workers was the
establishment of paid vacations. In France, the leftist Popular Front
government would noisily claim, in 1936, to have originated legally
mandated paid vacations-and stingy ones at that, only one week per
year. But it was actually Hitler who first established them, in 1933
-- and they were two or three times more generous.

Under Hitler, every factory employee had the legal right to paid
vacation. Previously, paid vacations had not normally exceed four or
five days, and nearly half of the younger workers had no vacation time
at all. If anything, Hitler favored younger workers; the youngest
workers received more generous vacations. This was humane and made
sense: a young person has more need of rest and fresh air to develop
his maturing strength and vigor. Thus, they enjoyed a full 18 days of
paid vacation per year.

Today, more than half a century later, these figures have been
surpassed, but in 1933 they far exceeded European norms.
The standard vacation was twelve days. Then, from the age of 25 on, it
went up to 18 days. After ten years with the company, workers got a
still longer vacation: 21 days, or three times what the French
socialists would grant the workers of their country in 1936.
Hitler introduced the standard forty-hour work week in Europe. As for
overtime work, it was now compensated, as nowhere else in the
continent at the time, at an increased pay rate. And with the
eight-hour work day now the norm, overtime work became more readily
available.

In another innovation, work breaks were made longer: two hours each
day, allowing greater opportunity for workers to relax, and to make
use of the playing fields that large industries were now required to
provide.

Whereas a worker's right to job security had been virtually
non-existent, now an employee could no longer be dismissed at the sole
discretion of the employer. Hitler saw to it that workers' rights were
spelled out and enforced. Henceforth, an employer had to give four
weeks notice before firing an employee, who then had up to two months
to appeal the dismissal. Dismissals could also be annulled by the
"Courts of Social Honor" (Ehrengerichte).

This Court was one of three great institutions that were established
to protect German workers. The others were the "Labor Commissions" and
the "Council of Trust."

The "Council of Trust" (Vertrauensrat) was responsible for
establishing and developing a real spirit of community between
management and labor. "In every business enterprise," the 1934 "Labor
Charter" law stipulated, "the employer and head of the enterprise
(F�hrer), the employees and workers, personnel of the enterprise,
shall work jointly toward the goal of the enterprise and the common
good of the nation."

No longer would either be exploited by the other-neither the worker by
arbitrary whim of the employer, nor the employer through the blackmail
of strikes for political ends.

Article 35 of the "Labor Charter" law stated: "Every member of an
enterprise community shall assume the responsibility required by his
position in said common enterprise." In short, each enterprise would
be headed by a dynamic executive, charged with a sense of the greater
community-no longer a selfish capitalist with unconditional, arbitrary
power.

"The interest of the community may require that an incapable or
unworthy employer be relieved of his duties," the "Labor Charter"
stipulated. The employer was no longer unassailable, an all-powerful
boss with the last word on hiring and firing his staff. He, too, would
be subject to the workplace regulations, which he was now obliged to
respect no less than the least of his employees. The law conferred the
honor and responsibility of authority on the employer only insofar as
he merited it..

In the Third Reich, the worker knew that "exploitation of his physical
strength in bad faith or in violation of his honor" was no longer
tolerated. He had obligations to the community, but he shared these
obligations with every other member of the enterprise, from the chief
executive to the messenger boy. Finally, the German worker had clearly
defined social rights, which were arbitrated and enforced by
independent agencies. And while all this had been achieved in an
atmosphere of justice and moderation, it nevertheless constituted a
genuine social revolution..

Factories and shops, large and small, were altered or transformed to
conform to the strictest standards of cleanliness and hygiene:
interiors, so often dark and stifling, were opened up to light;
playing fields were constructed; rest areas where workers could unbend
during break, were set aside; employee cafeterias and respectable
locker rooms were opened. The larger industrial establishments, in
addition to providing the normally required conventional sports
facilities, were obliged to put in swimming pools!

In just three years, these achievements would reach unimagined
heights: more than two thousand factories refitted and beautified;
23,000 work premises modernized; 800 buildings designed exclusively
for meetings; 1,200 playing fields; 13,000 sanitary facilities; 17,000
cafeterias.

To assure the healthy development of the working class, physical
education courses were instituted for younger workers. Some 8,000 were
eventually organized. Technical training was equally emphasized.
Hundreds of work schools, and thousands of technical courses were
created. There were examinations for professional competence, and
competitions in which generous prizes were awarded to outstanding
masters of their craft.

Eight hundred departmental inspectors and 17,300 local inspectors were
employed to conscientiously monitor and promote these improvements.
To provide affordable vacations for German workers on a hitherto
unprecedented scale, Hitler established the "Strength through Joy"
program. As a result, hundreds of thousands of workers were now able
to make relaxing vacation trips on land and sea each summer.
Magnificent cruise ships were built, and special trains brought
vacationers to the mountains and the seashore. In just a few years,
Germany's working-class tourists would log a distance equivalent to 54
times the circumference of the earth! And thanks to generous state
subsidies, the cost to workers of these popular vacation excursions
was nearly insignificant..

Was Hitler's transformation of the lot of the working class
authoritarian? Without a doubt. And yet, for a people that had grown
sick and tired of anarchy, this new authoritarianism wasn't regarded
as an imposition. In fact, people have always accepted a strong man's
leadership.

In any case, there is no doubt that the attitude of the German working
class, which was still two-thirds non-Nazi at the start of 1933, soon
changed completely. As Belgian author Marcel Laloire noted at the
time:

When you make your way through the cities of Germany and go into the
working-class districts, go through the factories, the construction
yards, you are astonished to find so many workers on the job sporting
the Hitler insignia, to see so many flags with the swastika, black on
a bright red background, in the most densely populated districts.
Hitler's "German Labor Front" (Deutsche Arbeitsfront), which
incorporated all workers and employers, was for the most part eagerly
accepted. The steel spades of the sturdy young lads of the "National
Labor Service" (Reichsarbeitsdienst) could also be seen gleaming along
the highways.

Hitler created the National Labor Service not only to alleviate
unemployment, but to bring together, in absolute equality, and in the
same uniform, both the sons of millionaires and the sons of the
poorest families for several months' common labor and living.
All performed the same work, all were subject to the same discipline;
they enjoyed the same pleasures and benefited from the same physical
and moral development. At the same construction sites and in the same
barracks, Germans became conscious of what they had in common, grew to
understand one another, and discarded their old prejudices of class
and caste.

After a hitch in the National Labor Service, a young worker knew that
the rich man's son was not a pampered monster, while the young lad of
wealthy family knew that the worker's son had no less honor than a
nobleman or an heir to riches; they had lived and worked together as
comrades. Social hatred was vanishing, and a socially united people
was being born.

Hitler could go into factories-something few men of the so-called
Right would have risked in the past-and hold forth to crowds of
workers, at times in the thousands, as at the huge Siemens works. "In
contrast to the von Papens and other country gentlemen," he might tell
them, "in my youth I was a worker like you. And in my heart of hearts,
I have remained what I was then."

During his twelve years in power, no untoward incident ever occurred
at any factory he visited. Hitler was at home when he went among the
people, and he was received like a member of the family returning home
after making a success of himself.

But the Chancellor of the Third Reich wanted more than popular
approval. He wanted that approval to be freely, widely, and repeatedly
expressed by popular vote. No people was ever be more frequently asked
for their electoral opinion than the German people of that era-five
times in five years.

For Hitler, it was not enough that the people voted from time to time,
as in the previous democratic system. In those days, voters were
rarely appealed to, and when they expressed an opinion, they were
often ill-informed and apathetic. After an election, years might go
by, during which the politicians were heedless and inaccessible, the
electorate powerless to vote on their actions.

To enable the German public to express its opinion on the occasion of
important events of social, national, or international significance,
Hitler provided the people a new means of approving or rejecting his
own actions as Chancellor: the plebiscite.

Hitler recognized the right of all the people, men and women alike, to
vote by secret ballot: to voice their opinion of his policies, or to
make a well-grounded judgment on this or that great decision in
domestic or foreign affairs. Rather than a formalistic routine,
democracy became a vital, active program of supervision that was
renewed annually.

The articles of the "Plebiscite Law" were brief and clear:

1.The Reich government may ask the people whether or not it approves
of a measure planned by or taken by the government. This may also
apply to a law.

2. A measure submitted to plebiscite will be considered as established
when it receives a simple majority of the votes. This will apply as
well to a law modifying the Constitution.

3. If the people approves the measure in question, it will be applied
in conformity with article III of the Law for Overcoming the Distress
of the People and the Reich.

The Reich Interior Ministry is authorized to take all legal and
administrative measures necessary to carry out this law.
Berlin, July 14, 1933.
Hitler, Frick..

From the first months of 1933, his accomplishments were public fact,
for all to see. Before end of the year, unemployment in Germany had
fallen from more than 6,000,000 to 3,374,000. Thus, 2,627,000 jobs had
been created since the previous February, when Hitler began his
"gigantic task!" A simple question: Who in Europe ever achieved
similar results in so short a time?..

In his detailed and critical biography of Hitler, Joachim Fest limited
his treatment of Hitler's extraordinary social achievements in 1933 to
a few paragraphs. All the same, Fest did not refrain from
acknowledging:

The regime insisted that it was not the rule of one social class above
all others, and by granting everyone opportunities to rise, it in fact
demonstrated class neutrality-These measures did indeed break through
the old, petrified social structures. They tangibly improved the
material condition of much of the population. (J. Fest, Hitler, pp.
434-435.)

Not without reason were the swastika banners waving proudly throughout
the working-class districts where, just a year ago, they had been
unceremoniously torn down.

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By Mark Weber

Much has already been written about Roosevelt's campaign of deception
and outright lies in getting the United States to intervene in the
Second World War prior to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in
December 1941. Roosevelt's aid to Britain and the Soviet Union in
violation of American neutrality and international law, his acts of
war against Germany in the Atlantic in an effort to provoke a German
declaration of war against the United States, his authorization of a
vast "dirty tricks" campaign against U.S. citizens by British
intelligence agents in violation of the Constitution, and his
provocations and ultimatums against Japan which brought on the attack
against Pearl Harbor-all this is extensively documented and reasonably
well known.[1]

Not so well known is the story of Roosevelt's enormous responsibility
for the outbreak of the Second World War itself. This essay focuses on
Roosevelt's secret campaign to provoke war in Europe prior to the
outbreak of hostilities in September 1939. It deals particularly with
his efforts to pressure Britain, France and Poland into war against
Germany in 1938 and 1939.

Franklin Roosevelt not only criminally involved America in a war which
had already engulfed Europe. He bears a grave responsibility before
history for the outbreak of the most destructive war of all time.

This paper relies heavily on a little-known collection of secret
Polish documents which fell into German hands when Warsaw was captured
in September 1939.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v04/v04p135_Weber.html
These documents clearly establish Roosevelt's crucial role in bringing
on the Second World War.

Poland had refused to even negotiate over self-determination for the
German city of Danzig and the ethnic German minority in the so-called
Polish Corridor. Hitler felt compelled to resort to arms when he did
in response to a growing Polish campaign of terror and dispossession
against the one and a half million ethnic Germans under Polish rule.
In my view, if ever a military action was justified, it was the German
campaign against Poland in 1939.

Poland's headstrong refusal to negotiate was made possible because of
a fateful blank check guarantee of military backing from Britain-a
pledge that ultimately proved completely worthless to the hapless
Poles. Considering the lightning swiftness of the victorious German
campaign, it is difficult to realize today that the Polish government
did not at all fear war with Germany. Poland's leaders foolishly
believed that German might was only an illusion. They were convinced
that their troops would occupy Berlin itself within a few weeks and
add further German territories to an enlarged Polish state. It is also
important to keep in mind that the purely localized conflict between
Germany and Poland was only transformed into a Europe-wide
conflagration by the British and French declarations of war against
Germany.

On 9 February 1938, the Polish Ambassador in Washington, Count Jerzy
Potocki, reported to the Foreign Minister in Warsaw on the Jewish role
in making American foreign policy:

The pressure of the Jews on President Roosevelt and on the State
Department is becoming ever more powerful ...

... The Jews are right now the leaders in creating a war psychosis
which would plunge the entire world into war and bring about general
catastrophe. This mood is becoming more and more apparent.
in their definition of democratic states, the Jews have also created
real chaos: they have mixed together the idea of democracy and
communism and have above all raised the banner of burning hatred
against Nazism.

This hatred has become a frenzy. It is propagated everywhere and by
every means: in theaters, in the cinema, and in the press. The Germans
are portrayed as a nation living under the arrogance of Hitler which
wants to conquer the whole world and drown all of humanity in an ocean
of blood.

In conversations with Jewish press representatives I have repeatedly
come up against the inexorable and convinced view that war is
inevitable. This international Jewry exploits every means of
propaganda to oppose any tendency towards any kind of consolidation
and understanding between nations. In this way, the conviction is
growing steadily but surely in public opinion here that the Germans
and their satellites, in the form of fascism, are enemies who must be
subdued by the 'democratic world.'

Ambassador Potocki's report from Washington of 9 January 1939 dealt in
large part with President Roosevelt's annual address to Congress:
President Roosevelt acts on the assumption that the dictatorial
governments, above all Germany and Japan, only understand a policy of
force. Therefore he has decided to react to any future blows by
matching them. This has been demonstrated by the most recent measures
of the United States.

The American public is subject to an ever more alarming propaganda
which is under Jewish influence and continuously conjures up the
specter of the danger of war. Because of this the Americans have
strongly altered their views on foreign policy problems, in comparison
with last year.

Of all the documents in this collection, the most revealing is
probably the secret report by Ambassador Potocki of 12 January 1939
which dealt with the domestic situation in the United States. This
report is given here in full:

The feeling now prevailing in the United States is marked by a growing
hatred of Fascism and, above all, of Chancellor Hitler and everything
connected with Nazism. Propaganda is mostly in the hands of the Jews
who control almost 100 percent radio, film, daily and periodical
press. Although this propaganda is extremely coarse and presents
Germany as black as possible-above all religious persecution and
concentration camps are exploited-this propaganda is nevertheless
extremely effective since the public here is completely ignorant and
knows nothing of the situation in Europe...

It is interesting to note that in this extremely well-planned campaign
which is conducted above all against National Socialism, Soviet Russia
is almost completely excluded. If mentioned at all, it is only in a
friendly manner and things are presented in such a way as if Soviet
Russia were working with the bloc of democratic states. Thanks to the
clever propaganda the sympathy of the American public is completely on
the side of Red Spain.

Besides this propaganda, a war psychosis is being artificially
created. The American people are told that peace in Europe is hanging
only by a thread and that war is unavoidable. At the same time the
American people are unequivocally told that in case of a world war,
America must also take an active part in order to defend the slogans
of freedom and democracy in the world.

These groups of people who occupy the highest positions in the
American government and want to pose as representatives of 'true
Americanism' and 'defenders of democracy' are, in the last analysis,
connected by unbreakable ties with international Jewry.

For this Jewish international, which above all is concerned with the
interests of its race, to portray the President of the United States
as the 'idealist' champion on human rights was a very clever move. In
this manner they have created a dangerous hotbed for hatred and
hostility in this hemisphere and divided the world into two hostile
camps. The entire issue is worked out in a masterly manner. Roosevelt
has been given the foundation for activating American foreign policy,
and simultaneously has been procuring enormous military stocks for the
coming war, for which the Jews are striving very consciously. With
regard to domestic policy, it is very convenient to divert public
attention from anti-Semitism, which is constantly growing in the
United States, by talking about the necessity of defending religion
and individual liberty against the onslaught of Fascism.

On 16 January 1939, Polish Ambassador Potocki reported to the Warsaw
Foreign Ministry on another lengthy conversation he had with
Roosevelt's personal envoy, William Bullitt

1. The vitalizing of foreign policy under the leadership of President
Roosevelt, who severely and unambiguously condemns totalitarian
countries.

2. United States preparations for war on sea, land and air will be
carried out at an accelerated pace and will consume the colossal sum
of 1.25 billion dollars.

3. It is the decided opinion of the President that France and Britain
must put an end to any sort of compromise with the totalitarian
countries. They must not get into any discussions aiming at any kind
of territorial changes.

4. They have the moral assurance that the United States will abandon
the policy of isolation and be prepared to intervene actively on the
side of Britain and France in case of war. America is ready to place
its whole wealth of money and raw materials at their disposal.

The Polish Ambassador to Paris, Juliusz (Jules) Lukasiewicz, sent a
top secret report to the Foreign Ministry in Warsaw at the beginning
of February 1939 which outlined U.S. policy towards Europe as
explained to him by William Bullitt:

A week ago, the Ambassador of the United States, William Bullitt
returned to Paris after a three months' leave in America. Meanwhile, I
have had two conversations with him which enable me to inform you of
his views regarding the European situation and to give a survey of
Washington's policy.

The international situation is regarded by official circles as
extremely serious and in constant danger of armed conflict. Those in
authority are of the opinion that if war should break out between
Britain and France on the one hand, and Germany and Italy on the
other, and should Britain and France be defeated, the Germans would
endanger the real interests of the United States on the American
continent. For this reason, one can foresee right from the beginning
the participation of the United States in the war on the side of
France and Britain, naturally some time after the outbreak of the war.
As Ambassador Bullitt expressed it: 'Should war break out we shall
certainly not take part in it at the beginning, but we shall finish
it.'

On 7 March 1939, Ambassador Potocki sent a remarkably lucid and
perceptive report on Roosevelt's foreign policy to his government in
Warsaw. This document was first made public when leading German
newspapers published it in German translation, along with a facsimile
reproduction of the first page of the Polish original, in their
editions of 28 October 1940. The main National Socialist party
newspaper, the Voelkischer Beobachter, published the Ambassador's
report with this observation:

The document itself needs no commentary. We do not know, and it does
not concern us, whether the internal American situation as reported by
the Polish diplomat is correct in every detail. That must be decided
by the American people alone. But in the interest of historical truth
it is important for us to show that the warmongering activities of
American diplomacy, especially in Europe, are once again revealed and
proven by this document. It still remains a secret just who, and for
what motives, have driven American diplomacy to this course. In any
case, the results have been disastrous for both Europe and America.
Europe was plunged into war and America has brought upon itself the
hostility of great nations which normally have no differences with the
American people and, indeed, have not been in conflict but have lived
for generations as friends and want to remain so...

While the Polish documents alone are conclusive proof of Roosevelt's
treacherous campaign to bring about world war, it is fortunate for
posterity that a substantial body of irrefutable complementary
evidence exists which confirms the conspiracy recorded in the
dispatches to Warsaw...

On 19 September 1938 -- that is, a year before the outbreak of war in
Europe-Roosevelt called Lindsay to a very secret meeting at the White
House. At the beginning of their long conversation, according to
Lindsay's confidential dispatch to London, Roosevelt "emphasized the
necessity of absolute secrecy. Nobody must know I had seen him and he
himself would tell nobody of the interview. I gathered not even the
State Department." The two discussed some secondary matters before
Roosevelt got to the main point of the conference. "This is the very
secret part of his communication and it must not be known to anyone
that he has even breathed a suggestion." The President told the
Ambassador that if news of the conversation was ever made public, it
could mean his impeachment. And no wonder. What Roosevelt proposed was
a cynically brazen but harebrained scheme to violate the U.S.
Constitution and dupe the American people.

The President said that if Britain and France "would find themselves
forced to war" against Germany, the United States would ultimately
also join. But this would require some clever maneuvering. Britain and
France should impose a total blockade against Germany without actually
declaring war and force other states (including neutrals) to abide by
it. This would certainly provoke some kind of German military
response, but it would also free Britain and France from having to
actually declare war. For propaganda purposes, the "blockade must be
based on loftiest humanitarian grounds and on the desire to wage
hostilities with minimum of suffering and the least possible loss of
life and property, and yet bring the enemy to his knees." Roosevelt
conceded that this would involve aerial bombardment, but "bombing from
the air was not the method of hostilities which caused really great
loss of life."

The important point was to "call it defensive measures or anything
plausible but avoid actual declaration of war." That way, Roosevelt
believed he could talk the American people into supporting war against
Germany, including shipments of weapons to Britain and France, by
insisting that the United States was still technically neutral in a
non-declared conflict. "This method of conducting war by blockade
would in his [Roosevelt's] opinion meet with approval of the United
States if its humanitarian purpose were strongly emphasized," Lindsay
reported.[19]

The American Ambassador to Italy, William Phillips, admitted in his
postwar memoirs that the Roosevelt administration was already
committed to going to war on the side of Britain and France in late
1938. "On this and many other occasions," Phillips wrote, "I would
like to have told him [Count Ciano, the Italian Foreign Minister]
frankly that in the event of a European war, the United States would
undoubtedly be involved on the side of the Allies. But in view of my
official position, I could not properly make such a statement without
instructions from Washington, and these I never received."[20]

The fateful British pledge to Poland of 31 March 1939 to go to war
against Germany in case of a Polish-German conflict would not have
been made without strong pressure from the White House

In their nationally syndicated column of 14 April 1939, the usually
very well informed Washington journalists Drew Pearson and Robert S.
Allen reported that on 16 March 1939 Roosevelt had "sent a virtual
ultimatum to Chamberlain" demanding that henceforth the British
government strongly oppose Germany. According to Pearson and Allen,
who completely supported Roosevelt's move, "the President warned that
Britain could expect no more support, moral or material through the
sale of airplanes, if the Munich policy continued."[22] Chamberlain
gave in and the next day, 17 March, ended Britain's policy of
cooperation with Germany in a speech at Birmingham bitterly denouncing
Hitler. Two weeks later the British government formally pledged itself
to war in case of German-Polish hostilities.

In a confidential telegram to Washington dated 9 April 1939, Bullitt
reported from Paris on another conversation with Ambassador
Lukasiewicz. He had told the Polish envoy that although U.S. law
prohibited direct financial aid to Poland, it might be possible to
circumvent its provisions. The Roosevelt administration might be able
to supply war planes to Poland indirectly through Britain. "The Polish
Ambassador asked me if it might not be possible for Poland to obtain
financial help and aeroplanes from the United States. I replied that I
believed the Johnson Act would forbid any loans from the United States
to Poland but added that it might be possible for England to purchase
planes for cash in the United States and turn them over to
Poland."[24]

On 25 April 1939, four months before the outbreak of war, Bullitt
called American newspaper columnist Karl von Wiegand, chief European
correspondent of the International News Service, to the U.S. embassy
in Paris and told him: "War in Europe has been decided upon. Poland
has the assurance of the support of Britain and France, and will yield
to no demands from Germany. America will be in the war soon after
Britain and France enter it."[25]

In a lengthy secret conversation at Hyde Park on 28 May 1939,
Roosevelt assured the former President of Czechoslovakia, Dr. Edvard
Benes, that America would actively intervene on the side of Britain
and France in the anticipated European war.[26]

In June 1939, Roosevelt secretly proposed to the British that the
United States should establish "a patrol over the waters of the
Western Atlantic with a view to denying them to the German Navy in the
event of war." The British Foreign Office record of this offer noted
that "although the proposal was vague and woolly and open to certain
objections, we assented informally as the patrol was to be operated in
our interests."[27]

Many years after the war, Georges Bonnet, the French Foreign Minister
in 1939, confirmed Bullitt's role as Roosevelt's deputy in pushing his
country into war. In a letter to Hamilton Fish dated 26 March 1971,
Bonnet wrote: "One thing is certain is that Bullitt in 1939 did
everything he could to make France enter the war."[28] An important
confirmation of the crucial role of Roosevelt and the Jews in pushing
Britain into war comes from the diary of James V. Forrestal, the first
U.S. Secretary of Defense. In his entry for 27 December 1945, he
wrote:

Played golf today with [former Ambassador] Joe Kennedy. I asked him
about his conversations with Roosevelt and [British Prime Minister]
Neville Chamberlain from 1938 on. He said Chamberlain's position in
1938 was that England had nothing with which to fight and that she
could not risk going to war with Hitler. Kennedy's view: That Hitler
would have fought Russia without any later conflict with England if it
had not been for [William] Bullitt's urging on Roosevelt in the summer
of 1939 that the Germans must be faced down about Poland; neither the
French nor the British would have made Poland a cause of war if it had
not been for the constant needling from Washington. Bullitt, he said,
kept telling Roosevelt that the Germans wouldn't fight; Kennedy that
they would, and that they would overrun Europe. Chamberlain, he says,
stated that America and the world Jews had forced England into the
war. In his telephone conversations with Roosevelt in the summer of
1939, the President kept telling him to put some iron up Chamberlain's
backside.[29]

"In the West," the Ambassador told Szembek, "there are all kinds of
elements openly pushing for war: the Jews, the super-capitalists, the
arms dealers. Today they are all ready for a great business, because
they have found a place which can be set on fire: Danzig; and a nation
that is ready to fight: Poland. They want to do business on our backs.
They are indifferent to the destruction of our country. Indeed, since
everything will have to be rebuilt later on, they can profit from that
as well."[30]

On 24 August 1939, just a week before the outbreak of hostilities,
Chamberlain's closest advisor, Sir Horace Wilson, went to Ambassador
Kennedy with an urgent appeal from the British Prime Minister for
President Roosevelt. Regretting that Britain had unequivocally
obligated itself in March to Poland in case of war, Chamberlain now
turned in despair to Roosevelt as a last hope for peace. He wanted the
American President to "put pressure on the Poles" to change course at
this late hour and open negotiations with Germany. By telephone
Kennedy told the State Department that the British "felt that they
could not, given their obligations, do anything of this sort but that
we could." Presented with this extraordinary opportunity to possibly
save the peace of Europe, Roosevelt rejected Chamberlain's desperate
plea out of hand. At that, Kennedy reported, the Prime Minister lost
all hope. "The futility of it all," Chamberlain had told Kennedy, "is
the thing that is frightful. After all, we cannot save the Poles. We
can merely carry on a war of revenge that will mean the destruction of
all Europe."[31]

But Roosevelt rejected out of hand this chance to save the peace of
Europe. To a close political crony, he called Kennedy's plea "the
silliest message to me that I have ever received." He complained to
Henry Morgenthau that his London Ambassador was nothing but a pain in
the neck: "Joe has been an appeaser and will always be an appeaser ...
If Germany and Italy made a good peace offer tomorrow, Joe would start
working on the King and his friend the Queen and from there on down to
get everybody to accept it."[33]

Infuriated at Kennedy's stubborn efforts to restore peace in Europe or
at least limit the conflict that had broken out, Roosevelt instructed
his Ambassador with a "personal" and "strictly confidential" telegram
on 11 September 1939 that any American peace effort was totally out of
the question. The Roosevelt government, it declared, "sees no
opportunity nor occasion for any peace move to be initiated by the
President of the United States. The people [sic] of the United States
would not support any move for peace initiated by this Government that
would consolidate or make possible a survival of a regime of force and
aggression."[34]

In the months before armed conflict broke out in Europe, perhaps the
most vigorous and prophetic American voice of warning against
President Roosevelt's campaign to incite war was that of Hamilton
Fish, a leading Republican congressman from New York. In a series of
hard-hitting radio speeches, Fish rallied considerable public opinion
against Roosevelt's deceptive war policy. Here are only a few excerpts
from some of those addresses.[35]

On 6 January 1939, Fish told a nationwide radio audience:
The inflammatory and provocative message of the President to Congress
and the world [given two days before] has unnecessarily alarmed the
American people and created, together with a barrage of propaganda
emanating from high New Deal officials, a war hysteria, dangerous to
the peace of America and the world. The only logical conclusion to
such speeches is another war fought overseas by American soldiers.

All the totalitarian nations referred to by President Roosevelt ...
haven't the faintest thought of making war on us or invading Latin
America.
I do not propose to mince words on such an issue, affecting the life,
liberty and happiness of our people. The time has come to call a halt
to the warmongers of the New Deal, backed by war profiteers,
Communists, and hysterical internationalists, who want us to
quarantine the world with American blood and money.
He [Roosevelt] evidently desires to whip up a frenzy of hate and war
psychosis as a red herring to take the minds of our people off their
own unsolved domestic problems. He visualizes hobgoblins and creates
in the public mind a fear of foreign invasions that exists only in his
own imagination.

On 5 March, Fish spoke to the country over the Columbia radio network:
The people of France and Great Britain want peace but our warmongers
are constantly inciting them to disregard the Munich Pact and resort
to the arbitrament of arms. If only we would stop meddling in foreign
lands the old nations of Europe would compose their own quarrels by
arbitration and the processes of peace, but apparently we won't let
them.

Fish addressed the listeners of the National Broadcasting Company
network on 5 April with these words:
The youth of America are again being prepared for another blood bath
in Europe in order to make the world safe for democracy.
If Hitler and the Nazi government regain Memel or Danzig, taken away
from Germany by the Versailles Treaty, and where the population is 90
percent German, why is it necessary to issue threats and denunciations
and incite our people to war? I would not sacrifice the life of one
American soldier for a half dozen Memels or Danzigs. We repudiated the
Versailles Treaty because it was based on greed and hatred, and as
long as its inequalities and injustices exist there are bound to be
wars of liberation.

The sooner certain provisions of the Versailles Treaty are scrapped
the better for the peace of the world.

I believe that if the areas that are distinctly German in population
are restored to Germany, except Alsace-Lorraine and the Tyrol, there
will be no war in western Europe. There may be a war between the Nazis
and the Communists, but if there is that is not our war or that of
Great Britain or France or any of the democracies.

New Deal spokesmen have stirred up war hysteria into a veritable
frenzy. The New Deal propaganda machine is working overtime to prepare
the minds of our people for war, who are already suffering from a bad
case of war jitters.

President Roosevelt is the number one warmonger in America, and is
largely responsible for the fear that pervades the Nation which has
given the stock market and the American people a bad case of the
jitters.

I accuse the administration of instigating war propaganda and hysteria
to cover up the failure and collapse of the New Deal policies, with 12
million unemployed and business confidence destroyed.

I believe we have far more to fear from our enemies from within than
we have from without. All the Communists are united in urging us to go
to war against Germany and Japan for the benefit of Soviet Russia.

Great Britain still expects every American to do her duty, by
preserving the British Empire and her colonies. The war profiteers,
munitions makers and international bankers are all set up for our
participation in a new world war.

On 21 April, Fish again spoke to the country over nationwide radio:

It is the duty of all those Americans who desire to keep out of
foreign entanglements and the rotten mess and war madness of Europe
and Asia to openly expose the war hysteria and propaganda that is
impelling us to armed conflict.

What we need in America is a stop war crusade, before we are forced
into a foreign war by internationalists and interventionists at
Washington, who seem to be more interested in solving world problems
rather than our own.

In his radio address of 26 May, Fish stated:
He [Roosevelt] should remember that the Congress has the sole power to
declare war and formulate the foreign policies of the United States.
The President has no such constitutional power. He is merely the
official organ to carry out the policies determined by the Congress.

Without knowing even who the combatants will be, we are informed
almost daily by the internationalists and interventionists in America
that we must participate in the next world war.

On 8 July 1939, Fish declared over the National Broadcasting Company
radio network:
If we must go to war, let it be in defense of America, but not in
defense of the munitions makers, war profiteers, Communists, to cover
up the failures of the New Deal, or to provide an alibi for a third
term.
It is well for all nations to know that we do not propose to go to war
over Danzig, power politics, foreign colonies, or the imperialistic
wars of Europe or anywhere in the world.

President Roosevelt could have done little to incite war in Europe
without help from powerful allies. Behind him stood the self-serving
international financial and Jewish interests bent on the destruction
of Germany. The principal organization which drummed up public support
for U.S. involvement in the European war prior to the Pearl Harbor
attack was the cleverly named "Committee to Defend America by Aiding
the Allies." President Roosevelt himself initiated its founding, and
top administration officials consulted frequently with Committee
leaders.[36]

Although headed for a time by an elderly small-town Kansas newspaper
publisher, William Allen White, the Committee was actually organized
by powerful financial interests which stood to profit tremendously
from loans to embattled Britain and from shrewd investments in giant
war industries in the United States.
At the end of 1940, West Virginia Senator Rush D. Holt issued a
detailed examination of the Committee which exposed the base interests
behind the idealistic-sounding slogans:

The Committee has powerful connections with banks, insurance
companies, financial investing firms, and industrial concerns. These
in turn exert influence on college presidents and professors, as well
as on newspapers, radio and other means of communication. One of the
powerful influences used by the group is the '400' and social set. The
story is a sordid picture of betrayal of public interest.
The powerful J.P. Morgan interest with its holdings in the British
Empire helped plan the organization and donated its first expense
money.

Some of the important figures active in the Committee were revealed by
Holt: Frederic R. Coudert, a paid war propagandist for the British
government in the U.S. during the First World War; Robert S. Allen of
the Pearson and Allen syndicated column; Henry R. Luce, the
influential publisher of Time, Life, and Fortune magazines; Fiorella
LaGuardia, the fiery half-Jewish Mayor of Now York City; Herbert
Lehman, the Jewish Governor of New York with important financial
holdings in war industries; and Frank Altschul, an officer in the
Jewish investment firm of Lazard Freres with extensive holdings in
munitions and military supply companies.

If the Committee succeeded in getting the U.S. into war, Holt warned,
"American boys will spill their blood for profiteers, politicians and
'paytriots.' If war comes, on the hands of the sponsors of the White
Committee will be blood-the blood of Americans killed in a needless
war."[37]

In March 1941 a list of most of the Committee's financial backers was
made public. It revealed the nature of the forces eager to bring
America into the European war. Powerful international banking
interests were well represented. J.P. Morgan, John W. Morgan, Thomas
W. Lamont and others of the great Morgan banking house were listed.
Other important names from the New York financial world included Mr.
and Mrs. Paul Mellon, Felix M. and James F. Warburg, and J. Malcolm
Forbes. Chicago department store owner and publisher Marshall Field
was a contributor, as was William Averill Harriman, the railroad and
investment millionaire who later served as Roosevelt's ambassador in
Moscow.

Of course, Jewish names made up a substantial portion of the long
list. Hollywood film czar Samuel Goldwyn of Goldwyn Studios was there,
along with David Dubinsky, the head of the International Ladies
Garment Workers Union. The William S. Paley Foundation, which had been
set up by the head of the giant Columbia Broadcasting System,
contributed to the Committee. The name of Mrs. Herbert H. Lehman, wife
of the New York Governor, was also on the list.[38]

Without an understanding of his intimate ties to organized Jewry,
Roosevelt's policies make little sense. As Jewish historian Lucy
Dawidowicz noted: "Roosevelt himself brought into his immediate circle
more Jews than any other President before or after him. Felix
Frankfurter, Bernard M. Baruch and Henry Morgenthau were his close
advisers. Benjamin V. Cohen, Samuel Rosenman and David K. Niles were
his friends and trusted aides."[39] This is perhaps not so remarkable
in light of Roosevelt's reportedly one-eighth Jewish ancestry.[40]

In his diary entry of 1 May 1941, Charles A. Lindbergh, the American
aviator hero and peace leader, nailed the coalition that was pushing
the United States into war:

The pressure for war is high and mounting. The people are opposed to
it, but the Administration seems to have 'the bit in its teeth' and
[is] hell-bent on its way to war. Most of the Jewish interests in the
country are behind war, and they control a huge part of our press and
radio and most of our motion pictures. There are also the
'intellectuals,' and the 'Anglophiles,' and the British agents who are
allowed free rein, the international financial interests, and many
others.[41]

Joseph Kennedy shared Lindbergh's apprehensions about Jewish power.
Before the outbreak of war he privately expressed concerns about "the
Jews who dominate our press" and world Jewry in general, which he
considered a threat to peace and prosperity. Shortly after the
beginning of hostilities, Kennedy lamented "the growing Jewish
influence in the press and in Washington demanding continuance of the
war "[42]

Roosevelt's efforts to get Poland, Britain and France into war against
Germany succeeded all too well. The result was untold death and misery
and destruction. When the fighting began, as Roosevelt had intended
and planned, the Polish and French leaders expected the American
president to at least make good on his assurances of backing in case
of war. But Roosevelt had not reckoned on the depth of peace sentiment
of the vast majority of Americans. So, in addition to deceiving his
own people, Roosevelt also let down those in Europe to whom he had
promised support.

Seldom in American history were the people as united in their views as
they were in late 1939 about staying out of war in Europe. When
hostilities began in September 1939, the Gallup poll showed 94 percent
of the American people against involvement in war. That figure rose to
96.5 percent in December before it began to decline slowly to about 80
percent in the Fall of 1941. (Today, there is hardly an issue that
even 60 or 70 percent of the people agree upon.)[43]

Roosevelt was, of course, quite aware of the intensity of popular
feeling on this issue. That is why he lied repeatedly to the American
people about his love of peace and his determination to keep the U.S.
out of war, while simultaneously doing everything in his power to
plunge Europe and America into war.

In a major 1940 re-election campaign speech, Roosevelt responded to
the growing fears of millions of Americans who suspected that their
President had secretly pledged United States support to Britain in its
war against Germany. These well-founded suspicions were based in part
on the publication in March of the captured Polish documents. The
speech of 23 October 1940 was broadcast from Philadelphia to the
nation on network radio. In the most emphatic language possible,
Roosevelt categorically denied that he had
pledged in some way the participation of the United States in some
foreign war. I give to you and to the people of this country this most
solemn assurance: There is no secret Treaty, no secret understanding
in any shape or form, direct or indirect, with any Government or any
other nation in any part of the world, to involve this nation in any
war or for any other purpose.[44]

We now know, of course, that this pious declaration was just another
one of Roosevelt's many brazen, bald-faced lies to the American
people.

Roosevelt's policies were more than just dishonest-they were criminal.
The Constitution of the United States grants authority only to the
Congress to make war and peace. And Congress had passed several major
laws to specifically insure U.S. neutrality in case of war in Europe.
Roosevelt continually violated his oath as President to uphold the
Constitution. If his secret policies had been known, the public demand
for his impeachment would very probably have been unstoppable.

The Watergate episode has made many Americans deeply conscious of the
fact that their presidents can act criminally. That affair forced
Richard Nixon to resign his presidency, and he is still widely
regarded as a criminal. No schools are named after him and his name
will never receive the respect that normally goes to every American
president. But Nixon's crimes pale into insignificance when compared
to those of Franklin Roosevelt. What were Nixon's lies compared to
those of Roosevelt? What is a burglary cover-up compared to an illegal
and secret campaign to bring about a major war?

Those who defend Roosevelt's record argue that he lied to the American
people for their own good-that he broke the law for lofty principles.
His deceit is considered permissible because the cause was noble,
while similar deception by presidents Johnson and Nixon, to name two,
is not. This is, of course, a hypocritical double standard. And the
argument doesn't speak very well for the democratic system. It implies
that the people are too dumb to understand their own best interests.
It further suggests that the best form of government is a kind of
benevolent liberal-democratic dictatorship.

Roosevelt's hatred for Hitler was deep, vehement, passionate-almost
personal. This was due in no small part to an abiding envy and
jealousy rooted in the great contrast between the two men, not only in
their personal characters but also in their records as national
leaders.

Superficially, the public fives of Roosevelt and Hitler were
astonishingly similar. Both assumed the leadership of their respective
countries at the beginning of 1933. They both faced the enormous
challenge of mass unemployment during a catastrophic worldwide
economic depression. Each became a powerful leader in a vast military
alliance during the most destructive war in history. Both men died
while still in office within a few weeks of each other in April 1945,
just before the end of the Second World War in Europe. But the
enormous contrasts in the lives of these two men are even more
remarkable.

Roosevelt was born into one of the wealthiest families in America. His
was a life utterly free of material worry. He took part in the First
World War from an office in Washington as UnderSecretary of the Navy.
Hitler, on the other hand, was born into a modest provinicial family.
As a young man he worked as an impoverished manual laborer. He served
in the First World War as a front line soldier in the hell of the
Western battleground. He was wounded many times and decorated for
bravery.

In spite of his charming manner and soothing rhetoric, Roosevelt
proved unable to master the great challenges facing America. Even
after four years of his presidency, millions remained unemployed,
undernourished and poorly housed in a vast land richly endowed with
all the resources for incomparable prosperity. The New Deal was
plagued with bitter strikes and bloody clashes between labor and
capital. Roosevelt did nothing to solve the country's deep, festering
racial problems which erupted repeatedly in riots and armed conflict.
The story was very different in Germany. Hitler rallied his people
behind a radical program that transformed Germany within a few years
from an economically ruined land on the edge of civil war into
Europe's powerhouse. Germany underwent a social, cultural and economic
rebirth without parallel in history. The contrast between the
personalities of Roosevelt and Hitler was simultaneously a contrast
between two diametrically different social-political systems and
ideologies.

And yet, it would be incorrect to characterize Roosevelt as merely a
cynical politician and front man for powerful alien interests.
Certainly he did not regard himself as an evil man. He sincerely
believed that he was doing the right and noble thing in pressuring
Britain and France into war against Germany. Like Wilson before him,
and others since, Roosevelt felt himself uniquely qualified and called
upon by destiny to reshape the world according to his vision of an
egalitarian, universalist democracy. He was convinced, as so many
American leaders have been, that the world could be saved from itself
by remodeling it after the United States.

Presidents like Wilson and Roosevelt view the world not as a complex
of different nations, races and cultures which must mutually respect
each others' separate collective identities in order to live together
in peace, but rather according to a selfrighteous missionary
perspective that divides the globe into morally good and evil
countries. In that scheme of things, America is the providentially
permanent leader of the forces of righteousness. Luckily, this view
just happens to correspond to the economic and political interests of
those who wield power in the United States.

President Roosevelt's War
In April 1941, Senator Gerald Nye of North Dakota prophetically
predicted that one day the Second World War would be remembered as
Roosevelt's war. "If we are ever involved in this war, it will be
called by future historians by only one title, 'the President's War,'
because every step of his since his Chicago quarantine speech [of 5
October 1937] has been toward war.[45]

The great American historian, Harry Elmer Barnes, believed that war
could probably have been prevented in 1939 if it had not been for
Roosevelt's meddling. "Indeed, there is fairly conclusive evidence
that, but for Mr. Roosevelt's pressure on Britain, France and Poland,
and his commitments to them before September 1939, especially to
Britain, and the irresponsible antics of his agent provocateur,
William C. Bullitt, there would probably have been no world war in
1939, or, perhaps, for many years thereafter."[46] In Revisionism: A
Key to Peace, Barnes wrote:

President Roosevelt had a major responsibility, both direct and
indirect, for the outbreak of war in Europe. He began to exert
pressure on France to stand up to Hitler as early as the German
reoccupation of the Rhineland in March 1936, months before he was
making his strongly isolationist speeches in the campaign of 1936.
This pressure on France, and also England, continued right down to the
coming of the war in September 1939. It gained volume and momentum
after the quarantine speech of October 1937. As the crisis approached
between Munich and the outbreak of war, Roosevelt pressed the Poles to
stand firm against any demands by Germany, and urged the English and
French to back up the Poles unflinchingly.
There is grave doubt that England would have gone to war in September
1939 had it not been for Roosevelt's encouragement and his assurances
that, in the event of war, the United States would enter on the side
of Britain just as soon as he could swing American public opinion
around to support intervention.

Roosevelt had abandoned all semblance of neutrality, even before war
broke out in 1939, and moved as speedily as was safe and feasible in
the face of anti-interventionist American public opinion to involve
this country in the European conflict.[47]

One of the most perceptive verdicts on Franklin Roosevelt's place in
history came from the pen of the great Swedish explorer and author,
Sven Hedin. During the war he wrote:

The question of the way it came to a new world war is not only to be
explained because of the foundation laid by the peace treaties of
1919, or in the suppression of Germany and her allies after the First
World War, or in the continuation of the ancient policies of Great
Britain and France. The decisive push came from the other side of the
Atlantic Ocean.

Roosevelt speaks of democracy and destroys it incessantly. He slanders
as undemocratic and un-American those who admonish him in the name of
peace and the preservation of the American way of life. He has made
democracy into a caricature rather than a model. He talks about
freedom of speech and silences those who don't hold his opinion.
He talks about freedom of religion and makes an alliance with
Bolshevism.

He talks about freedom from want, but cannot provide ten million of
his own people with work, bread or shelter. He talks about freedom
from the fear of war while working for war, not only for his own
people but for the world, by inciting his country against the Axis
powers when it might have united with them, and he thereby drove
millions to their deaths.
This war will go down in history as the war of President
Roosevelt.[48]

Officially orchestrated praise for Roosevelt as a great man of peace
cannot conceal forever his crucial role in pushing Europe into war in
1939.


It is now more than forty years since the events described here took
place. For many they are an irrelevant part of a best-forgotten past.
But the story of how Franklin Roosevelt engineered war in Europe is
very pertinent-particularly for Americans today. The lessons of the
past have never been more important than in this nuclear age. For
unless at least an aware minority understands how and why wars are
made, we will remain powerless to restrain the warmongers of our own
era.


Notes
1. See, for example: Charles A. Beard, President Roosevelt and
the Coming of the War 1941 (New Haven: Yale University Press, 1948);
William Henry Chamberlin, America's Second Crusade (Chicago: Regnery,
1952, 1962); Benjamin Colby, 'Twas a Famous Victory (New Rochelle,
N.Y.: Arlington House, 1979); Frederic R. Sanborn, Design for War (New
York: Devin-Adair, 1951); William Stevenson, A Man Called Intrepid
(New York: Ballantine Books, 1980); Charles C. Tansill, Back Door to
War (Chicago: Regnery, 1952); John Toland, Infamy: Pearl Harbor and
Its Aftermath (New York: Doubleday, 1982).
2. Saul Friedlander, Prelude to Downfall: Hitler and the United
States 1939-1941 (New York: Knopf, 1967), pp. 73-77; U.S., Congress,
House, Special Committee on Investigation of Un-American Activities in
the United States, 1940, Appendix, Part II, pp. 1054-1059.
3. Friedlander, pp. 75-76.
4. New York Times, 30 March 1940, p. 1.
5. Ibid., p. 4, and 31 March 1940, p. 1.
6. New York Times, 30 March 1940, p. 1. Baltimore Sun, 30 March
1940, p. 1.
7. A French-language edition was published in 1944 under the
title Comment Roosevelt est Entre en Guerre.
8. Tansill, "The United States and the Road to War in Europe," in
Harry Elmer Barnes (ed.), Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace (Caldwell,
Idaho: Caxton, 1953; reprint eds., New York: Greenwood, 1969 and
Torrance, Calif.: Institute for Historical Review [supplemented],
1982), p. 184 (note 292). Tansill also quoted from several of the
documents in his Back Door to War, pp. 450-51.
9. Harry Elmer Barnes, The Court Historians Versus Revisionism
(N.p.: privately printed, 1952), p. 10. This booklet is reprinted in
Barnes, Selected Revisionist Pamphlets (New York: Arno Press & The New
York Times, 1972), and in Barnes, The Barnes Trilogy (Torrance,
Calif.: Institute for Historical Review, 1979).
10. Chamberlin, p. 60.
11. Edward Raczynski, In Allied London (London: Weidenfeld and
Nicolson, 1963), p. 51.
12. Orville H. Bullitt (ad.), For the President: Personal and
Secret (Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 1972), p. x1v [biographical
foreword]. See also Time, 26 October 1936, p. 24.
13. Current Biography 1940, ed. Maxine Block (New York: H.W.
Wilson, 1940), p. 122 ff.
14. Gisleher Wirsing, Der masslose Kontinent: Roosevelts Kampf um
die Weltherrschaft (Jena: E. Diederichs, 1942), p. 224.
15. Bullitt obituary in New York Times, 16 February 1967, p. 44.
16. Jack Alexander, "He Rose From the Rich," Saturday Evening
Post, 11 March 1939, p. 6. (Also see continuation in issue of 18 March
1939.) Bullitt's public views on the European scene and what should be
America's attitude toward it can be found in his Report to the
American People (Boston: Houghton Mifflin [Cambridge: Riverside
Press], 1940), the text of a speech he delivered, with the President's
blessing, under the auspices of the American Philosophical Society in
Independence Hall in Philadelphia shortly after the fall of France.
For sheer, hyperventilated stridency and emotionalist hysterics, this
anti-German polemic could hardly be topped, even given the similar
propensities of many other interventionists in government and the
press in those days.
17. Michael R. Beschloss, Kennedy and Roosevelt (New York: Norton,
1980), pp. 203-04.
18. Robert Dallek, Franklin D. Roosevelt and American Foreign
Policy 1932-1945 (New York: Oxford University Press, 1979), p. 31. See
also pp. 164-65.
19. Dispatch No. 349 of 20 September 1938 by Sir. R. Lindsay,
Documents on British Foreign Policy (ed. Ernest L. Woodward), Third
series, Vol. VII (London, 1954), pp. 627-29. See also: Joseph P. Lash,
Roosevelt and Churchill 1939-1941 (New York: Norton, 1976), pp. 25-27;
Dallek, pp. 164-65; Arnold A. Offner, America and the Ori-, gins of
World War II (Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 1971), p. 61.
20. William Phillips, Ventures in Diplomacy (North Beverly, Mass.:
privately published, 1952), pp. 220-21.
21. Carl Burckhardt, Meine Danziger Mission 1937-1939 (Munich:
Callwey, 1960), p. 225.
22. Drew Pearson and Robert S. Allen, "Washington Daily
Merry-Go-Round," Washington Times-Herald, 14 April 1939, p. 16. A
facsimile reprint of this column appears in Conrad Grieb (ed.),
American Manifest Destiny and The Holocausts (New York: Examiner
Books, 1979), pp. 132-33. See also: Wirsing, pp. 238-41.
23. Jay P. Moffat, The Moffat Papers 1919-1943 (Cambridge: Harvard
University Press, 1956), p. 232.
24. U.S., Department of State, Foreign Relations of the United
States (Diplomatic Papers), 1939, General, Vol. I (Washington: 1956),
p. 122.
25. "Von Wiegand Says-," Chicago Herald-American, 8 October 1944,
p. 2.
26. Edvard Benes, Memoirs of Dr. Eduard Benes (London: George
Allen & Unwin, 1954), pp. 79-80.
27. Lash, p. 64.
28. Hamilton Fish, FDR: The Other Side of the Coin (Now York:
Vantage, 1976; Torrance, Calif.: Institute for Historical Review,
1980), p. 62.
29. James V. Forrestal (ads. Walter Millis and E.S. Duffield), The
Forrestal Diaries (New York: Viking, 1951), pp. 121-22. I have been
privately informed by a colleague who has examined the original
manuscript of the Forrestal diaries that many very critical references
to the Jews were deleted from the published version.
30. Jan Szembek, Journal 1933-1939 (Paris: Plan, 1952), pp.
475-76.
31. David E. Koskoff, Joseph P. Kennedy: A Life and Times
(Englewood Cliffs, N.J.: Prentice-Hall, 1974), p. 207; Moffat, p. 253;
A.J.P. Taylor, The Origins of the Second World War (London: Hamish
Hamilton, 1961; 2nd ed. Greenwich, Conn.: Fawcett Premier [paperback],
1965), p. 262; U.S., Department of State, Foreign Relations of the
United States, 1939, General, Vol. I (Washington: 1956), p. 355.
32. Dallek, p. 164.
33. Beschloss, pp. 190-91; Lash, p. 75; Koskoff, pp. 212-13.
34. Hull to Kennedy (No. 905), U.S., Department of State, Foreign
Relations of the United States, 1939, General, Vol. I (Washington:
1956), p. 424.
35. The radio addresses of Hamilton Fish quoted here were
published in the Congressional Record Appendix (Washington) as
follows: (6 January 1939) Vol. 84, Part 11, pp. 52-53; (5 March 1939)
same, pp. 846-47; (5 April 1939) Vol. 84, Part 12, pp. 1342-43; (21
April 1939) same, pp. 1642-43; (26 May 1939) Vol. 84, Part 13, pp.
2288-89; (8 July 1939) same, pp. 3127-28.
36. Wayne S. Cole, Charles A. Lindbergh and the Battle Against
American Intervention in World War II (New York: Harcourt Brace
Jovanovich, 1974), pp. 128, 136-39.
37. Congressional Record Appendix (Washington: 1941), (30 December
1940) Vol. 86, Part 18, pp. 7019-25. See also: Appendix, Vol. 86, Part
17, pp. 5808-14.
38. New York Times, 11 March 1941, p. 10.
39. Lucy Dawidowicz, "American Jews and the Holocaust," The New
York Times Magazine, 18 April 1982, p. 102.
40. "FDR 'had a Jewish great-grandmother'" Jewish Chronicle
(London), 5 February 1982, p. 3.
41. Charles A. Lindbergh, The Wartime Journals of Charles A.
Lindbergh (New York: Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, 1970), p. 481.
42. Koskoff, pp. 282, 212. The role of the American press in
fomenting hatred against Germany between 1933 and 1939 is a subject
that deserves much more detailed treatment. Charles Tansill provides
some useful information on this in Back Door to War. The essay by
Professor Hans A. Muenster, "Die Kriegsschuld der Presse der USA" in
Kriegsschuld und Presse, published in 1944 by the German
Reichsdozentenfuehrung, is worth consulting.
43. An excellent essay relating and contrasting American public
opinion measurements to Roosevelt's foreign policy moves in 1939-41 is
Harry Elmer Barnes, Was Roosevelt Pushed Into War By Popular Demand in
1941? (N.p.: privately printed, 1951). It is reprinted in Barnes,
Selected Revisionist Pamphlets.
44. Lash, p. 240.
45. New York Times, 27 April 1941, p. 19.
46. Harry Elmer Barnes, The Struggle Against the Historical
Blackout, 2nd ed. (N.p.: privately published, ca. 1948), p. 12. See
also the 9th, final revised and enlarged edition (N.p.: privately
published, ca. 1954), p. 34; this booklet is reprinted in Barnes,
Selected Revisionist Pamphlets.
47. Harry Elmer Barnes, "Revisionism: A Key to Peace," Rampart
Journal of Individualist Thought Vol. II, No. 1 (Spring 1966), pp.
29-30. This article was republished in Barnes, Revisionism: A Key to
Peace and Other Essays (San Francisco: Cato Institute [Cato Paper No.
12], 1980).
48. Sven Hedin, Amerika im Kampf der Kontinente (Leipzig: F.A.
Brockhaus, 1943), p. 54.

Bibliography
Listed here are the published editions of the Polish documents, the
most important sources touching on the questions of their authenticity
and content, and essential recent sources on what President Roosevelt
was really-as opposed to publicly-doing and thinking during the
prelude to war. Full citations for all references in the article will
be found in the notes.
Beschloss, Michael R. Kennedy and Roosevelt. New York: Norton, 1980.
Bullitt, Orville H. (ed.). For the President: Personal and Secret.
[Correspondence between Franklin D. Roosevelt and William C. Bullitt.]
Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 1972.
Germany. Foreign Office Archive Commission. Roosevelts Weg in den
Krieg: Geheimdokumente zur Kriegspolitik des Praesidenten der
Vereinigten Staaten. Berlin: Deutscher Verlag, 1943.
Germany. Foreign Office. The German White Paper. [White Book No. 3.]
New York: Howell, Soskin and Co., 1940.
Germany. Foreign Office. Polnische Dokumente zur Vorgeschichte des
Kriegs. [White Book No. 3.] Berlin: F. Eher, 1940.
Koskoff, David E. Joseph P. Kennedy: A Life and Times. Englewood
Cliffs, N.J.: Prentice-Hall, 1974.
Lukasiewicz, Juliusz (Waclaw Jedrzejewicz, ed.). Diplomat in Paris
1936-1939. New York: Columbia University Press, 1970.
Wirsing, Giselher. Der masslose Kontinent: Roosevelts Kampf um die
Weltherrschaft. Jena: E. Diederichs, 1942.

Dirk Bruere at NeoPax

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From the speech of Reichsf�hrer-SS Himmler, speaking to SS
Major-Generals, Poznan, October 4, 1943 (Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression-
Washington, U.S Govt. Print. Off., 1946, Vol. IV, p. 559):

One basic principal must be the absolute rule for the SS man: we must be
honest, decent, loyal, and comradely to members of our own blood and to
nobody else. What happens to a Russian, to a Czech, does not interest me
in the slightest. What the nations can offer in good blood of our type,
we will take, if necessary by kidnapping their children and raising them
with us. Whether nations live in prosperity or starve to death interests
me only in so far as we need them as slaves for our culture; otherwise,
it is of no interest to me. Whether 10,000 Russian females fall down
from exhaustion while digging an anti-tank ditch interest me only in so
far as the anti-tank ditch for Germany is finished. We shall never be
rough and heartless when it is not necessary, that is clear. We Germans,
who are the only people in the world who have a decent attitude towards
animals, will also assume a decent attitude towards these human animals.
But it is a crime against our own blood to worry about them and give
them ideals, thus causing our sons and grandsons to have a more
difficult time with them. When someone comes to me and says, "I cannot
dig the anti-tank ditch with women and children, it is inhuman, for it
will kill them", then I would have to say, "you are a murderer of your
own blood because if the anti-tank ditch is not dug, German soldiers
will die, and they are the sons of German mothers. They are our own blood".

--

Topaz

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Here is a quote from The Nameless War, by Captain A. H. M. Ramsay:

"The urgent alarm sounded in 1918 by Mr. Oudendyke in his letter
to Mr. Balfour (see page 25), denouncing bolshevism as a Jewish plan,
which if not checked by the combined action of the European powers,
would engulf Europe and the world, was no exaggeration. By the end of
that year the red flag was being hoisted in most of the great cities
of Europe. In Hungary the Jew Bela Kuhn organized and maintained for
some time a merciless and bloody tyranny similar to the one in Russia.
In Germany the Jews, Liebknecht, Barth, Scheidemann, Rosa Luxemburg,
etc., made a desperate bid for power. These and other similar
convulsions shook Europe; but each country in its own way just
frustated the onslaughts.

In most countries concerned a few voices were raised in the
endeavour to expose the true nature of these evils. Only in one,
however, did a political leader and group arise, who grasped to the
full the significance of these happenings, and perceived behind the
mobs of native hooligans the organisation and driving power of world
Jewry. This leader was Adolf Hitler, and his group the National
Socialist Party of Germany.

Never before in history had any country not only repulsed organized
revolution, but discerned Jewry behind it, and faced up to that fact.
We need not wonder that the sewers of Jewish vituperation were flooded
over these men and their leader; nor should we make the mistake of
supposing that Jewry would stick at any lie to deter honest men
everywhere from making a thorough investigation of the facts for
themselves. Nevertheless, if any value liberty, and set out to seek
truth and defend it, this duty of personal investigation is one which
they cannot shirk.

To accept unquestioningly the lies and misrepresentaions of a
Jew-controlled or influenced press, is to spurn truth by sheer
idleness, if for no worse reason."

Dirk Bruere at NeoPax

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May 18, 2009, 7:35:22 PM5/18/09
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Topaz wrote:
>
> During World War Two the Germans put Jews and Communists in
> concentration camps. The USA locked also up the Japanese and their
> political opponents and for less reason. At the end of the war there
> was a lot of deaths in the German camps from disease and starvation
> because Germany was being bombed to rubble. There is no evidence that
> the Germans had gas chambers or an extermination plan.
>
> Newsweek magazine May 15, 1989 says on page 64:
>
> "the way the Nazis did things: the secrecy, the unwritten orders, the
> destruction of records and the innocent-sounding code names for the
> extermination of the Jews. Perhaps it was inevitable that historians
> would quarrel over just what happened"
>
> The real reason there are no records of an extermination plan is
> because there was no extermination plan. The Germans planned to deport
> the Jews out of Germany. The records show that they planned to move
> them to Madagascar.

LOL!
And the CIA and Mafia never murdered anyone either.
They...

"Took them out" - presumably for a nice meal
"Removed them from the picture" - ie edited their photos
"Terminated them with extreme prejudice" - had them fired from their
jobs with due process
"Ordered a hit on them" - admittedly, they might have been struck, but
nothing worse.

Mass murder is awash with euphemism.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0KmNVZs-VI&feature=related

Topaz

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May 18, 2009, 7:59:54 PM5/18/09
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Jews say that being "anti-Semitic" is a terrible crime. Do they say
being "anti-Arab" is a terrible crime? What about "anti-Christian", or
"anti-German"? Of course the Jews think
they are special. Any other group could be our enemy, but not the
Jews, they say. The Jews tell us the Arabs are our enemies. The
Jewish controlled media tells us that the Jews are America's only
friend in the Middle East. The truth is that before these Jews America
didn't have any enemies in the Middle East.

No one is moaning because America once fought the British. But
suddenly Jews can not be the enemy under any circumstances. Why is
that? Because the Jews control the media. Think outside the box.

Now that America is ruled by the Jews it is no insult to be called
"anti-Semite". The insult is that they think we care about their self
serving verbiage.

The Jewish controlled media said the French were "cheese eating
surrender monkeys". Why can't the French howl "anti-French" like the
Jews howl "anti-Semite"? Because the French don't control the media,
Jews do.

This is what President Nixon said:

http://www.hnn.us/comments/15664.html

"There may be some truth in that if the Arabs have some complaints
about my policy towards Israel, they have to realize that the Jews in
the U.S. control the entire information and propaganda machine, the
large newspapers, the motion pictures, radio and television, and the
big companies. And there is a force that we have to take into
consideration."

Topaz

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May 18, 2009, 7:59:24 PM5/18/09
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German leaders believed in death before dishonor. They knew the
allies were subhuman monsters:


Eyewitness account by Mrs. Leonora Geier (nee Cavoa, born Oct 22,
1925, Sao Paulo,
Brazil) to Dr. Trutz Foelsche, Ph.D

Deutsche Nationalzeitung, No. 17-65, p. 7:

"On the morning of February, 16, (1945) a Russian detachment
occupied the RAD (Reichsarbeitsdienst) camp Vilmsee near Neustettin.
The Commissar told me in good German language that the camp was
dissolved and that we, as a unit with uniforms (RAD - German Labour
Service, not military uniforms), would be transported to a collection
camp. Since I, as a Brazilian citizen, belong to an allied nation, he
asked me to take over as a leader of the transport that went to
Neustettin, into the yard of the former iron factory. We were about
500 girls (Maidens of the Reichsarbeitsdienst - German Labour
Service).

He said I could come into the orderly room, which I accepted.
Immediately he directed me to make no further contact with other
women, because they were members of an illegal army. On my response
that this what not true, he cut me off with the remark that I would be
shot immediately, if I would repeat in any form a similar statement.

"Suddenly I heard loud screams, and promptly five girls were brought
in by the two Red Armists. The Commissar ordered them to undress. When
they, in a sense of shame, refused to do so, he ordered me to undress
them and follow him with the girls. We walked through the yard to the
former factory kitchen, which was completely cleared out
except for some tables along the window wall. It was dreadfully cold
and the unfortunate girls trembled. In the huge tiled room several
Russians waited for us who were obviously making obscene remarks
because every word was followed by loud laughter.

The Commissar then directed me to watch how one makes sissies out of
'The Master Race'.

Now two Poles, clad in trousers only, entered the room. At their
sight the girls cried out.

Briskly, they seized the first of the two girls and bent her over with
her back over the edge of the table until her joints cracked. I almost
fainted when one of the men pulled his knife and cut off her right
breast in the presence of the other girls. I have never heard a
human being scream as desperately as this young woman. After this
'operation' both men stabbed her several times in the abdomen,
accompanied by the howling of the Russians.

The next girl cried for mercy, in vain, since she was exceptionally
pretty. I had the impression that the 'work' was carried out very
slowly. The other three girls were completely broken down, cried for
their mothers and begged for a speedy death, but also
fate them overtook.

The last of the girls was still half a child, with barely developed
breasts, one tore the flesh literally from her ribs until the white
bone appeared.

Again, five girls were brought in. This time, they had been selected
carefully. All were developed and pretty. When they saw the bodies of
their predecessors, they began to cry and scream. Weak as they were,
they tried to defend themselves but to no avail; the Poles became more
cruel every time. One of the girls, they cut open her womb and trunk
over the whole length; poured a can of machine oil into the mutilated
body and tried to set fire to it. Another was shot in the genitals by
a Russia, before they cut off her breasts.

A great howling began when someone brought a saw from a toolbox.
Now, using the saw, they set to work to the breasts of the girls to
pieces, which in a short period of time led to the floor being covered
with blood. A blood rage seized the Russians. Continuously
one of them brought more and more girls.

Like a red fog, I saw the gruesome happenings again and again and I
perceived the inhuman screaming at the torture of their breasts and
the load groaning at the mutilation of their private parts. When my
legs failed me I was forced into a chair. The Commissar persistently
watched me to make sure I was looking toward the torture scenes. In
fact, when I had to vomit, they even paused with their tortures. One
girl had not undressed completely, she may have been somewhat older
than the rest of the girls who were about 17-years old. One of the
torturers soaked her bra with oil and ignited it and, while she cried
out, another drove a thin iron rod into her vagina until it emerged at
her naval.

In the yard they liquidated entire groups of girls, after they had
selected the prettiest ones for the torture room. The air was filled
with the death cries of many hundreds of girls. But in view of what
happened here, the slaughter outside could be considered more humane.
It was a dreadful fact that not one of the girls brought into the
torture room lost here consciousness.

In their horror all were equal in their expressions. It was always
the same; the begging for mercy, the high-pitched scream when their
breasts were cut and their genitals mutilated. Several times the
slaughter was interrupted to sweep out the blood and to clear away the
corpses.

That evening I sank into a severe nerve fever. From then on I lack
any recollection until the moment I awoke in a military hospital.
German troops had recaptured Neustettin temporarily, and had liberated
us. As I learned later, approximately 2,000 girls were murdered during
the first three days of the first round of Russian occupation."

Topaz

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The National Socialists made a movie called "The Eternal Jew". Anyone
can see their movie and see that one of the main reasons they were
against the Jews was because the Jews were promoting homosexual
perversion in the media. Here is an article they made about the movie:

"The self-portrait Jewry offered the world was disgusting from the
beginning. All that is overshadowed by the powerful examples in this
new and most valuable film, The Eternal Jew. This film with its
persuasive power must be shown everywhere where anti-Semitism is still
questioned. No one will will fail to shudder at the sneaking servility
and dirty bartering of the Jews when they start out, at the perfidy,
insidiousness and vulgarity of their methods, at the brutality and
all-devouring hatred they exhibit when they reach their goal and
control finance.
The most revolting scenes show Jewish slaughtering methods. These
customs, which cast a particularly vivid spotlight on the so-called
Jewish religion, are so terrible that it is hard to watch the film as
the grinning Jewish butchers carry out their work. It is illuminating
to see how stubbornly Jewry holds to its method of slaughter and with
which casuistry it defends it against the horror of the civilized
world. Rarely will people feel more horror than which watching the
desperate and horrible death struggle of the slaughtered animals. Long
before the seizure of power, the NSDAP fought against Jewish
slaughter. National Socialist representatives in parliament repeatedly
introduced legislation to abolish this form of animal torture through
a ban on Jewish slaughter. Such proposals were always rejected, since
the entire Jewish and Jewish-influenced press ran long articles
against them and the so-called German parties refused to support
National Socialism in its battle against this evil.
Not only in this regard, but in other areas too we are reminded with a
shudder of what once was reality in Germany: the power of the Jews in
the economy, finance, culture, theater, film, publishing, press,
radio, education and politics. All these Jewish leaders of the Weimar
era had their home or their origin in the filthy ghettos of the East.
One has a deep sense of salvation after seeing this film. We have
broken their power over us. We are the initiators of the fight against
world Jewry, which now directs its hate, its brutal greed and
destructive will toward us. We must win this battle for ourselves, for
Europe, for the world. This film will be a valuable tool in that
struggle."

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