Canada gets serious on online piracy...

[Eric�]

Strange this story seems so hard to find...

Government and Police Caught Downloading Finding Nemo in Canadian Piracy Fightback

http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2013/05/government-and-police-caught-downloading-finding-
nemo-in-canadian-piracy-fightback/ or: http://tinyurl.com/l62cvny

"The Canadian Pirate Party did the groundwork in tracking some local pirates,
discovering that several IP ranges belonging to government and police groups were
downloading a wide range of Hollywood blockbuster material through the usual torrent
sites, with computers based in the Industry Canada offices - the Canadian government
HQ - also caught downloading the likes of Game of Thrones and The Hunger Games."

a link to the PPC media release: https://www.pirateparty.ca/2013/05/17/rcmp-and-
industry-canada-ip-addresses-found-to-be-downloading-torrents/
or: http://tinyurl.com/kh9pd75

And in related news...

Anti-piracy firm caught using photos without consent
http://www.itworldcanada.com/news/anti-piracy-firm-caught-using-photos-without-
consent/147109 or: http://tinyurl.com/lko528g

"A Montreal-based firm gathering evidence on Canadian downloading pirated content
has been caught using copyrighted images on its Web site without securing consent
from its owners.

Canipre, which stands for Canadian Intellectual Property Rights Enforcement, makes
money by providing so-called 'takedown services' on behalf of companies who believe
their copyrighted content are being illegally downloaded or used by other people."

[Dhu on Gate]

On Tue, 21 May 2013 08:49:48 -0700, Eric© wrote:

> A Montreal-based firm gathering evidence on Canadian downloading pirated
> content has been caught using copyrighted images on its Web site without
> securing consent from its owners.
>

Specious bullshit from the DRM folks. These "Pirates" are put-ups because
DOWNLOADING IS NOT ILLEGAL IN CANADA.

This is because Candians PAY A TAX on ALL DIGITAL MEDIA that is intended
to pay content providers but, in fact, merely finances efforts to change
Canada's laws to permit them to prosecute us.

If Government employees are downloading that's an issue about their
use of Public infrastructure for private purposes, and has NOTHING
TO DO with copyright infringement.

Dhu


--
Ne obliviscaris, vix ea nostra voco.

[David Johnston]

On 5/21/2013 11:52 AM, Dhu on Gate wrote:
> On Tue, 21 May 2013 08:49:48 -0700, Eric© wrote:
>
>> A Montreal-based firm gathering evidence on Canadian downloading pirated
>> content has been caught using copyrighted images on its Web site without
>> securing consent from its owners.
>>
>
> Specious bullshit from the DRM folks. These "Pirates" are put-ups because
> DOWNLOADING IS NOT ILLEGAL IN CANADA.
>

It is, however, something that you can be sued over. In 2012 bill C-11
restricted the amount of damages that can be collected from
non-commercial downloaders to five thousand bucks.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2013/05/12/downloading-anti-9iracy-canada.html

[Chom Noamsky]

Piracy is like masturbation... everybody does it body nobody admits it.

[Dhu on Gate]

On Tue, 21 May 2013 12:56:03 -0600, David Johnston wrote:

> On 5/21/2013 11:52 AM, Dhu on Gate wrote:
>> On Tue, 21 May 2013 08:49:48 -0700, Eric© wrote:
>>
>>> A Montreal-based firm gathering evidence on Canadian downloading
>>> pirated content has been caught using copyrighted images on its Web
>>> site without securing consent from its owners.
>>>
>>>
>> Specious bullshit from the DRM folks. These "Pirates" are put-ups
>> because DOWNLOADING IS NOT ILLEGAL IN CANADA.
>>
>>
> It is, however, something that you can be sued over. In 2012 bill C-11
> restricted the amount of damages that can be collected from
> non-commercial downloaders to five thousand bucks.

That's Harpocrite for ya: passing laws that conflict without going to
the bother of repealing the conflicted statutes. Bush did the same
kind of thing and it left an *awful* mess... Guan'o Bay being just
one example.

Dhu


>
> http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2013/05/12/downloading-anti-9iracy-
canada.html

[David Johnston]

On 5/21/2013 6:46 PM, Dhu on Gate wrote:
> On Tue, 21 May 2013 12:56:03 -0600, David Johnston wrote:
>
>> On 5/21/2013 11:52 AM, Dhu on Gate wrote:
>>> On Tue, 21 May 2013 08:49:48 -0700, Eric© wrote:
>>>
>>>> A Montreal-based firm gathering evidence on Canadian downloading
>>>> pirated content has been caught using copyrighted images on its Web
>>>> site without securing consent from its owners.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Specious bullshit from the DRM folks. These "Pirates" are put-ups
>>> because DOWNLOADING IS NOT ILLEGAL IN CANADA.
>>>
>>>
>> It is, however, something that you can be sued over. In 2012 bill C-11
>> restricted the amount of damages that can be collected from
>> non-commercial downloaders to five thousand bucks.
>
> That's Harpocrite for ya: passing laws that conflict without going to
> the bother of repealing the conflicted statutes.

How do they conflict?

>

[Dhu on Gate]

I buy media to record some things I download. I assume there is money
being paid to the artists and rights holders, and I've paid lots to
SOCAN that way, particularly since I use a fair lot of "media" for
purposes that have nothing to do with anyone else's shit.

So I've paid them their coin AND A DEAL IS A DEAL.

But then Harpo wants to let these DCMA toads sue me... for what?

This is the same game as Bush circumventing the US constitution with the
Patriot act: the burden is placed upon the courts to resolve the conflict
and they are in no way prepared to write legislation.

Dhu

[Dhu on Gate]

On Tue, 21 May 2013 14:41:31 -0700, Chom Noamsky wrote:

It is not "Piracy" if you are paying for it. And in Canada, YOU ARE.

[Chom Noamsky]

You might want to get an expert opinion on that before you use it as a
defense.

[David Johnston]

On 5/21/2013 10:53 PM, Dhu on Gate wrote:
> On Tue, 21 May 2013 21:39:17 -0600, David Johnston wrote:
>
>> On 5/21/2013 6:46 PM, Dhu on Gate wrote:
>>> On Tue, 21 May 2013 12:56:03 -0600, David Johnston wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/21/2013 11:52 AM, Dhu on Gate wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 21 May 2013 08:49:48 -0700, Eric© wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> A Montreal-based firm gathering evidence on Canadian downloading
>>>>>> pirated content has been caught using copyrighted images on its Web
>>>>>> site without securing consent from its owners.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Specious bullshit from the DRM folks. These "Pirates" are put-ups
>>>>> because DOWNLOADING IS NOT ILLEGAL IN CANADA.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> It is, however, something that you can be sued over. In 2012 bill
>>>> C-11 restricted the amount of damages that can be collected from
>>>> non-commercial downloaders to five thousand bucks.
>>>
>>> That's Harpocrite for ya: passing laws that conflict without going to
>>> the bother of repealing the conflicted statutes.
>>
>> How do they conflict?
>>
>>
>
> I buy media to record some things I download. I assume there is money
> being paid to the artists and rights holders,

How would they know what you record?

[Dhu on Gate]

That's not my problem. SOCAN forced the deal, and I've paid the coin.

[David Johnston]

You know that doesn't actually apply to computer memory, right?

[Dhu on Gate]

"Experts"? You mean ex-spurt, I'm sure. You don't seem to get the
concept of money. If you read the words on some currencies where
it says "Good for all debts public and private" you might come to
realize that in common law countries acceptance of payment is
considered the end of a transaction.

Otherwise refund my money... with compounded interest.

[Dhu on Gate]

Sure as fuck applies to hard disks and flash. "Computer memory"
is not storage, except possibly in some cloud configs.

[David Johnston]

You aren't in a transaction with the IP owner. The government levy does
not constitute a contract with them.


>
>

[Dhu on Gate]

I'm in a contract with the Government of Canada, idiot.

That's what taxes are.

[David Johnston]

But it won't be the government of Canada suing us.
>
>
>

[Dhu on Gate]

Yah. That's the problem. But it's this Government that signed up for a
law that taxes us AND sues for the SAME THING.

Kinda reminds me of being beaten and gaoled for *overpaying* mine.

What a fukin' crock.

The Government of Canada is NOT KEEPING ITS END UP, and this Government
is particularly pernicious about talkin' outta both sides of it's face.

[Eric�]

Dhu on Gate wrote...

Doesn't matter what taxation measures governments enact - nothing in that
extinguishes the right of recourse to civil action by parties who claim they've been
harmed by copyright violation or 'theft of intellectual property'.

[Dhu on Gate]

You can claim any old damn thing you want, but if my money was good when
you took, it better be good now. Taking my money is a contract for what
has been done. Disregard that at your peril.