Liar Marxist "Swigert" Is An Anti-Semitic, Neo-Nazi
Ciceroii
has defended anti-Semitic statements by the late
Fabian socialist philosopher Bertrand Russell when this despicable collectivist stated that
he would defend the liquidation of all the world's Jews if it would bring about
utopia. Russell by this monstrous statement (which is quoted verbatim by Robert
Conquest in his great history "Reflections on a Ravaged Century", puts this Marxist
professor in the same position as Hitler, Himmler, Lenin and Stalin. Swigert said nothing
in condemnation of Russell when presented with this quotation. In fact, he tried to excuse
Russell, which shows where he stands on the issue.
The Leftist German terrorist Ulrike Meinhof of the infamous Marxist-Leninist Baider-Meinhof
Gang made an equally deplorable anti-Semitic comment at her
trial for vicious anti-capitalist terrorist acts. She showed no remorse for the Holocaust that
was perpetrated by like-minded (National) Socialist totalitarians under Hitler, aided and
abetted by Stalin and Communists of an earlier generation. Again not one word of
disapproval, dismay or condemnation by the malignant little fascist-socialist, and Jew- hater
"Swigert".
By maintaining that I, a staunch defender of the Jewish people, and outspoken
critic of Nazism and neo-Nazism (as practiced by Swigert) am
a Holocaust denier, the collectivist and Marxist Swigert lies. On the contrary,
I have many times condemned the socialist-Nazi perpetrators of the
Holocaust led by Adolph Hitler and inspired by the anti capitalism and class hatred of
Karl Marx, later aided and abetted by Lenin and Stalin. If the unconscionable "liberal" and nihilist "Swigert" had been living in Europe during this period, he no doubt
would have been one of Hitler's "willing executioners" in facilitating the Holocaust.
I will again repeat the deplorable anti-Semitic statement made by Leftists/ socialists
Bertrand Russell and Ulrike Meinhoff showing that the real enemies of the Jewish people
are on the Left. I have long-maintained this view, and in doing so
debunked the Communist and "liberal" lies and
revision of history--by proving that Adolph Hitler was a socialist, a leftist and anti-capitalist. Indeed it was
the two great capitalist nations, the U.S. and Great Britain, who first endorsed Zionism and
gave Israel the land in Palestine for its homeland, that have been Israel's friends throughout the
20th century.
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“Even intellectuals who are not strictly speaking revolutionaries , but who claim to speak in the interests of humanity as a whole, have taken sinister stands. For example,
Bertrand Russell [the late English Fabian socialist Philosopher and writer] is quoted as accepting “that if it could be shown that humanity would live happily ever after if
the Jews were exterminated, there could be no good reason not to proceed with their extermination”. p. 7 (Reflections on a Ravaged Century. Robert Conquest, New York, 2000)
“The more recent extreme Left (Marxist-Leninism) of course, incorporated the irrational element of Nazism. It was the Red Brigades’ Ulrike Meinhof who said at her trial,
“Auschwitz meant that six million
Jews were killed, and thrown onto the waste- heap of Europe for what they were: money-Jews”.
(Conquest, p. 65)
These quotations prove that the great threat to the Jewish people
has come, and still comes, from the Left,
not from free-market, laissez-faire capitalism.
Norman G. Purves
Ciceroii <cice...@home.com> wrote in article
<38CCEEF0...@home.com>...
Solzhenitsyn speculated that Stalin was planning a major purge of Jews from
the USSR at the time of his death: the "Doctors' Plot" that he and Beria
and Abakumov were cooking up had already begun to take shape on the pages
of Pravda when the Old Murderer had his embolism. The key: Jews were to be
labelled as "Rootless Cosmopolites". New death-camps were already in place
to receive them by the beginning of 1953.
Of course, no Zyklon B would have been necessary: starvation, overwork, and
cold would have worked just as well, as the long history of the GuLag had
already established....
One of the great ironies of the 20th Century: Jews such as Julius and Ethel
Rosenberg, who tirelessly worked for Stalin, would have met the same fate
in their beloved Workers' Paradise that they eventually did at Sing Sing.
Only in Siberia, they would have been a *lot* thinner when they finally
kicked their buckets...
--
Aloha
Norman
Ciceroii
"Norman G. Purves" wrote:
Excellent follow-up.
Swigert
Ciceroii <cice...@home.com> denied the Holocaust in message
news:38CCEEF0...@home.com...
> We can say this because "Swigert" (we don't know is real name)
And you're not going to, Herr Lambourn.
> has defended anti-Semitic statements by the late
> Fabian socialist philosopher Bertrand Russell when this despicable
collectivist stated that
> he would defend the liquidation of all the world's Jews if it would bring
about
> utopia. Russell by this monstrous statement (which is quoted verbatim by
Robert
> Conquest in his great history "Reflections on a Ravaged Century", puts
this Marxist
> professor in the same position as Hitler, Himmler, Lenin and Stalin.
> "Even intellectuals who are not strictly speaking revolutionaries , but
who claim to speak in the interests of humanity as a whole, have taken
sinister stands. For example,
> Bertrand Russell [the late English Fabian socialist Philosopher and
writer] is quoted as accepting "that if it could be shown that humanity
would live happily ever after if
> the Jews were exterminated, there could be no good reason not to proceed
with their extermination". p. 7 (Reflections on a Ravaged Century. Robert
Conquest, New York, 2000)
This single uncorroborated quote certainly his single shows
Russell made an anti-Semitic comment, and a serious one at that. I wish
there was a date on this to give us some context. Regardless, it does not
alone put Russell in the same position as Hitler, Himmler, Lenin or Stalin.
Russell was a rogue academic, while the others were world leaders. He was
hardly able to implement his ideas. Actions, they say, speak louder than
words.
The comparison with Lenin and Stalin is especially weak
because of Russell's experiences in the USSR in 1919-20. He noted in his
1920 book "Practice and Theory of Bolshevism" that the methods employed by
communism were so harsh the benefits were not worth the human and economic
cost. Hence, by rejecting communism (but retaining socialism) he could not
have been inspired by it. This, I believe, removes one step in your linkage
theory.
> Swigert said nothing
> in condemnation of Russell when presented with this quotation. In fact, he
tried to excuse
> Russell, which shows where he stands on the issue.
The above was so poorly written and argued it was difficult
to know what you hoped that quote would prove.
> The Leftist German terrorist Ulrike Meinhof of the infamous
Marxist-Leninist Baider-Meinhof
> Gang made an equally deplorable anti-Semitic comment at her
> trial for vicious anti-capitalist terrorist acts. She showed no remorse
for the Holocaust that
> was perpetrated by like-minded (National) Socialist totalitarians under
Hitler, aided and
> abetted by Stalin and Communists of an earlier generation.
> "The more recent extreme Left (Marxist-Leninism) of course, incorporated
the irrational element of Nazism. It was the Red Brigades' Ulrike Meinhof
who said at her trial,
> "Auschwitz meant that six million
> Jews were killed, and thrown onto the waste- heap of Europe for what they
were: money-Jews".
> (Conquest, p. 65)
My problem is with the use of this evidence in support
of the conclusion at hand. Meinhof's comments are simply not evidence of
Marxist conspiracy in the Holocaust. They were used to attack the
captialist system which she had attacked for years and who put her on trial.
She was fighting against what she believed to be "capitalist occupied" West
Germany. Meinhof wasn't just a Marxist - she was also anti-Zionist. She
was an active participant or conspirator in a large number of anti-Israeli
terrorist attacks, including the famous Entebbe raid. Israel, she believed,
was yet another capitalist oppressor that had to be destroyed. This
shocking statement should not be surprising: as much as she hated Hitler,
she had to give him credit for destroying her enemies. Without
corroboration, this astonishing statement proves nothing.
> Again not one word of
> disapproval, dismay or condemnation by the malignant little
fascist-socialist, and Jew- hater
> "Swigert".
Oh I condemn them alright - never doubt that. My main
criticism is directed against your illogical and ahistorical opinions that
you prostitute on usenet. Someone has to be the voice of reason - and it
isn't you.
> By maintaining that I, a staunch defender of the Jewish people, and
outspoken
> critic of Nazism and neo-Nazism (as practiced by Swigert) am
> a Holocaust denier, the collectivist and Marxist Swigert lies.
With friends like you, who needs enemies? Your "criticism" is
biased and subjective, based on a terrible misreading of limited source
material. I already proved with evidence, that you were a Holocaust denier
with your attempts to mitigate Hitler's responsibility for the Holocaust. I
wonder whom others might believe: me or you?
> On the contrary,
> I have many times condemned the socialist-Nazi perpetrators of the
> Holocaust led by Adolph Hitler and inspired by the anti capitalism and
class hatred of
> Karl Marx, later aided and abetted by Lenin and Stalin.
I will admit that you have condemned the Holocaust, whenever you
get around to it.
> If the unconscionable "liberal" and nihilist "Swigert" had been living in
Europe during this period, ?> he no doubt would have been one of Hitler's
"willing executioners" in facilitating the Holocaust.
Riiiiiiight.
> I will again repeat the deplorable anti-Semitic statement made by
Leftists/ socialists
> Bertrand Russell and Ulrike Meinhoff showing that the real enemies of the
Jewish people
> are on the Left. I have long-maintained this view, and in doing so
debunked the Communist and > "liberal" lies and revision of history--by
proving that Adolph Hitler was a socialist, a leftist and
> anti-capitalist.
And what a fine job you're doing too. You cannot see
the forest for the trees, unable to see any differences between Communism
and Naziism. If you ever take a course in history, you'd discover the error
of your ways and learn something.
Indeed it was
> the two great capitalist nations, the U.S. and Great Britain, who first
endorsed Zionism and
> gave Israel the land in Palestine for its homeland, that have been
Israel's friends throughout the
> 20th century.
> These quotations prove that the great threat to the Jewish people
> has come, and still comes, from the Left,
> not from free-market, laissez-faire capitalism.
No, they prove that two leftists made anti-semitic comments. And while they
do indicate some anti-semitism from that end, you ignore other evidence from
the extreme Right. Without such facts, we cannot evaluate which was the
greater threat. Therefore, your conclusion is flawed and hereby refuted.
Come back when you learn some balance.
PS: I'd love to say that Ciceroii is a capitalist agent, but not even
McDonald's would hire him.
I'd appreciate some comments from others on this subject.
Swigert
Norman G. Purves <n...@ilhawaii.net> wrote in message
news:01bf8d38$3a3fadc0$e7140ccf@txleckuj...
> Solzhenitsyn speculated that Stalin was planning a major purge of Jews
from
> the USSR at the time of his death: the "Doctors' Plot" that he and Beria
> and Abakumov were cooking up had already begun to take shape on the pages
> of Pravda when the Old Murderer had his embolism. The key: Jews were to be
> labelled as "Rootless Cosmopolites". New death-camps were already in place
> to receive them by the beginning of 1953.
> Of course, no Zyklon B would have been necessary: starvation, overwork,
and
> cold would have worked just as well, as the long history of the GuLag had
> already established....
> One of the great ironies of the 20th Century: Jews such as Julius and
Ethel
> Rosenberg, who tirelessly worked for Stalin, would have met the same fate
> in their beloved Workers' Paradise that they eventually did at Sing Sing.
> Only in Siberia, they would have been a *lot* thinner when they finally
> kicked their buckets...
Indeed, Stalin was in the planning stages for his own Holocaust. The most
recent evidence to emerge from Russia, published in "The Black Book of
Communism" and the Volgokonov biography of Stalin, put this beyond doubt.
We should be so fortunate that Stalin died before it took place. And you're
quite right about the Rosenbergs.
But "Ciceroii" has constantly maintained that the Left, not the Right, is
responsible for just about every evil in history. He maintains a constant
succession of evil from Marx to Lenin to Stalin to Hitler. I find this to
be extremely simplistic causality, backed up by weak selectively chosen
evidence. I'm no Marxist or even Leftist - my sympathies lie with the
Right, but my knowledge of history tells me this is wrong, which explains
why I challenge "Ciceroii"'s posts. His interpretations are based on
misreading of already selectively chosen materials, and illogically
rendered. Hence, I find it ironic that he chose to name himself after the
great Roman orator Cicero.
Swigert
Erik 1
[snip]
> Hence, I find it ironic that he chose to name himself after the
> great Roman orator Cicero.
Relax: Mr. Lambourn has named himself after two dozen different
characters at various times; from Cicero on down to the hotel cleaning
lady from his last Cuban vacation . . .
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The more laws, the less justice - Marcus Tullius Cicero
nkennedy
characters at various times; from Cicero on down to the hotel cleaning
Come on you guys I told you before. He's that leftist comedian Red Green
doing a great job of making the far right look ridiculous.
As a windfall he gets material for his shows from your reactions.
Didn't you notice that his logic is all duct taped together.
Neil K
David Collier-Brown
> > We can say this because "Swigert" (we don't know is real name)
> > Fabian socialist philosopher Bertrand Russell when this despicable
> collectivist stated that
> > he would defend the liquidation of all the world's Jews if it would
> bring about
> > utopia.
As you didn' tactually quote Mr. Swigert, and I didn't
see a copy, I'm slightly suspicious that you're engaging
in:
1) ad hominem (two cases: against Mr. Russell and Mr. Swigert)
2) asserting any agreement with Mr. Russell means agreement
with all opinions of Mr. Russell.
> Swigert said nothing
> > in condemnation of Russell when presented with this quotation. In fact,
> he tried to excuse
> > Russell, which shows where he stands on the issue.
And what was the context of the quote, pray tell?
Was it ironic? Sarcastic? Hyperbole?
> > Bertrand Russell [the late English Fabian socialist Philosopher and
> writer] is quoted as accepting ?that if it could be shown that humanity
> would live happily ever after if
> > the Jews were exterminated, there could be no good reason not to proceed
> with their extermination?. p. 7 (Reflections on a Ravaged Century. Robert
> Conquest, New York, 2000)
Should I assume that, having questioned you on this
point, that you will then characterize me as a anti-Semite?
--dave
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David Salvador Flores
>We can say this because "Swigert" (we don't know is real name)
>has defended anti-Semitic statements by the late
>Fabian socialist philosopher Bertrand Russell when this despicable collectivist stated that
>he would defend the liquidation of all the world's Jews if it would bring about
>utopia.
Or maybe we can tag you as an anti-Semite, Ciceroii, since the only way
Russell can be interpreted as supporting the anihiliation of the Jews is
if you believe that annihilation of the Jews *would* bring about utopia.
-Dave
Erik 1
> Or maybe we can tag you as an anti-Semite, Ciceroii, since the only way
> Russell can be interpreted as supporting the anihiliation of the Jews is
> if you believe that annihilation of the Jews *would* bring about utopia.
Tag Ciceronii as an anti-intellectual usenet boob; as he has to date
failed to rebut Russell's Principia Mathematica; but has succeeded in
calling him names.
Heisenberg: a leftist
Einstein: Commie
Whittaker: flower child
The problem with JR Lambourn's posting is that he tends to steer other
people away from rational discourse, in favour of discussing his
trolling.
As Mr Lambourn (Ciceroii/Iconoclast) x-posts to all these NG's; perhaps
it's time other people began questioning him on his sources. And his
intelligence.
E.O. Wilson