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Jason Kodish

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Oct 24, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/24/96
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Workers protesting the Chilean government's move to the rightoid agenda
(perhaps in preparation for free trade) were faced with water cannons and
police (possibly torture).
Is this what the New Right has to offer those who oppose?
Torture, police brutality and worse?

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Bruce Roberts

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Jason Kodish wrote:
>
> Workers protesting the Chilean government's move to the rightoid agenda
>
>Come on, Codpiece. Chile's is the most successful economy in Latin America.
It is so obvious to anyone with a modicum of
common sense and objectivity.
But, of course, that excludes you and other Trotskyites,
and political and economic imbeciles like David Reilley.
My God, but you two jerks are ignorant and stupid!

jko...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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Bruce Roberts (rob...@sympatico.ca) wrote:

: >Come on, Codpiece. Chile's is the most successful economy in Latin America.


: It is so obvious to anyone with a modicum of
: common sense and objectivity.


So of course we should resort to torture and murder and all sorts of
other things like that. The real proof that Hitler and co were rightoids,
just like the cowardly Lambourne who hasn't the guts to post under his
own name.
You are a worthless freak, Lambourne, and the WHOLE WORLD IS LAUGING AT YOU!


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James Moore

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Gary Cruse

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In <84615723...@thwap.nl2k.edmonton.ab.ca>

jko...@thwap.nl2k.edmonton.ab.ca (Jason Kodish) writes:
>
>Workers protesting the Chilean government's move to the rightoid
agenda
>(perhaps in preparation for free trade) were faced with water cannons
and
>police (possibly torture).
>Is this what the New Right has to offer those who oppose?
>Torture, police brutality and worse?

Do you mean as opposed to what Stalin had to offer?
How about Pol Pot? Maybe you would prefer what
labor unions do to people who cross them? The Chilean
move away from socialism is necessary to make the
economy strong enough to trade on an even footing.
Sorry, leftoid. Some parts of the world are too smart
to bankrupt themselves following failed fantasies. Did
you learn nothing from the collapse of the USSR?
The world is a tuxedo,pal.
And you and your ilk are a pair of *brown* shoes.
--
Gary

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um three cheers for labor
give all things to enni
one bugger thy nabor
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Martyn Kershaw

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Oct 25, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/25/96
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jko...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
>
> Bruce Roberts (rob...@sympatico.ca) wrote:
>
> : >Come on, Codpiece. Chile's is the most successful economy in Latin America.
> : It is so obvious to anyone with a modicum of
> : common sense and objectivity.
>
> So of course we should resort to torture and murder and all sorts of
> other things like that.

What are you talking about. Torture and murder under Allende? Or under
the present administration?

The real proof that Hitler and co were rightoids,

Well, we KNOW that Hitler was far-right. So what? No country in the
developed world is ruled by any party even close to being far-right

> just like the cowardly Lambourne who hasn't the guts to post under his
> own name.
> You are a worthless freak, Lambourne, and the WHOLE WORLD IS LAUGING AT YOU!

Typical leftist, childish, silly, immature, nearsighted and many other
adjectives that someone who is wrong will resort to in order not to say
the "Three Hardest Words To Say In The English Language"........."I Was
Wrong".

Dan Anderson

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Oct 25, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/25/96
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jko...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
>
> Bruce Roberts (rob...@sympatico.ca) wrote:
>
> : >Come on, Codpiece. Chile's is the most successful economy in Latin America.

Yeah, it helps when the environmental regulations are virtually
non-existent, and the corps. take huge advantage of this fact....

> : It is so obvious to anyone with a modicum of
> : common sense and objectivity.
>
> So of course we should resort to torture and murder and all sorts of

> other things like that. The real proof that Hitler and co were rightoids,


> just like the cowardly Lambourne who hasn't the guts to post under his
> own name.
> You are a worthless freak, Lambourne, and the WHOLE WORLD IS LAUGING AT YOU!
>

XXX

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gcr...@ix.netcom.com(Gary Cruse) wrote:

>In <84615723...@thwap.nl2k.edmonton.ab.ca>
>jko...@thwap.nl2k.edmonton.ab.ca (Jason Kodish) writes:
>>
>>Workers protesting the Chilean government's move to the rightoid
>agenda
>>(perhaps in preparation for free trade) were faced with water cannons
>and
>>police (possibly torture).
>>Is this what the New Right has to offer those who oppose?
>>Torture, police brutality and worse?

> Do you mean as opposed to what Stalin had to offer?
> How about Pol Pot?

Sure, then at least its assholes like you who end up dead. And if you
ever want to play numers games on total dead, its been done on this
usenet, and you rightists come out victorious.


>Maybe you would prefer what
> labor unions do to people who cross them? The Chilean
> move away from socialism is necessary to make the
> economy strong enough to trade on an even footing.

Sure, you fascist shit. All its done is make greater returns for those
mutual funds of yours. Sieg heil!


> Sorry, leftoid. Some parts of the world are too smart
> to bankrupt themselves following failed fantasies. Did
> you learn nothing from the collapse of the USSR?

Yea, that the people there were taken in by your lies, and are now
much worse of than they were before. Kill a conservative for Canada
should become a rallying cry. You assholes started a war. We'll finish
it.


> The world is a tuxedo,pal.
> And you and your ilk are a pair of *brown* shoes.

And your a cumberbun.-
> Gary
>
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writes:
>
>gcr...@ix.netcom.com(Gary Cruse) wrote:
>> labor unions do to people who cross them? The Chilean
>> move away from socialism is necessary to make the
>> economy strong enough to trade on an even footing.
>Sure, you fascist shit. All its done is make greater returns for those
>mutual funds of yours. Sieg heil!

Works for me. Mutual funds. My retirement
will be financed largely by my own investments.
Investments that are put at risk and used
to fund the entrepreneurship(sp) that
makes it possible for workers to be employed
and put food on your table. Your mendacious
political subversion does no one any good.


>> Sorry, leftoid. Some parts of the world are too smart
>> to bankrupt themselves following failed fantasies. Did
>> you learn nothing from the collapse of the USSR?

>Yea, that the people there were taken in by your lies, and are now
>much worse of than they were before.

Is that a fact? Longing for the return
of communism are you? I wondered how long
it would take after the end of the Cold war
before the leftists could conjure up
enough idiocy to lament the fall of the USSR.

Kill a conservative for Canada
>should become a rallying cry.

Your foaming drool speaks for itself.

You assholes started a war. We'll finish
>it.

You didn't finish the last one. And you are losing
this one. Capitalism is on the ascendency around
the world. Better wise up before it passes you
completely by.


>> The world is a tuxedo,pal.
>> And you and your ilk are a pair of *brown* shoes.
>And your a cumberbun.-

It goes with the tuxedo. You don't.
--

Gary Cruse

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In <54s2nj$a...@mongol.sasknet.sk.ca> think...@sk.sympatico.ca (XXX)
writes:
>> Investments that are put at risk and used
>> to fund the entrepreneurship(sp) that
>> makes it possible for workers to be employed
>> and put food on your table.
>Your living in dreamland.

You do not understand economics. Should
have known. The evidence was there all along.


>>Your mendacious
>> political subversion does no one any good.

>I'll yell from the rooftops to prevent you fascist slime from gaining
>total control over the world, and entrenching poverty and oppression
>for the majority of us.

Yelling from the rooftops? God, this gets
better all the time. And in case you
hadn't noticed, the world is moving in
the direction of free-market capitalism.
Maybe you need to yell better, not louder.


>>>> Sorry, leftoid. Some parts of the world are too smart
>>>> to bankrupt themselves following failed fantasies. Did
>>>> you learn nothing from the collapse of the USSR?
>
>>>Yea, that the people there were taken in by your lies, and are now
>>>much worse of than they were before.
>
>> Is that a fact? Longing for the return
>> of communism are you?

>Begginning too. There is no way I would have voiced support for
>Communism 10 years ago, but the unilpolar, fascist world you and yours
>are goose-stepping us to, has made me think Communism was pretty dam
>good. Even if assholes like you ended up in the gulags.

Out of the closet at last. Maybe you
can argue for communism now instead
of just flailing away and foaming about
rightoids. Don't let the fact that
the *real* intellects of communism
couldn't make it work. It will be
different this time. Right, Nikita?

>> I wondered how long
>> it would take after the end of the Cold war
>> before the leftists could conjure up
>> enough idiocy to lament the fall of the USSR.

>As long as it took you asswipes to make our conditions intolerable.

The only thing making your condition
intolerable is the deficit spending
that you clamor for more of
and its resultant interest payments.
You don't seem to realize that the
nanny state costs more than the
people can produce.


>> Kill a conservative for Canada
>>>should become a rallying cry.
>
>> Your foaming drool speaks for itself.

> I'm not in the best of moods today. I'm tired of your incessant hate
>for the poor, and your desire to further victimize the powerless. I'm
>fed up with your lies.

When you start refuting them, you will feel better.

>>You assholes started a war. We'll finish
>>>it.
>
>> You didn't finish the last one. And you are losing
>> this one. Capitalism is on the ascendency around
>> the world. Better wise up before it passes you
>> completely by.

>As J.K. Gailbraith has said, "the problem with the rich is that you
>don't want more, you don't want most, you want it all." Your incessant
>greed breeds social instability. The Left has kicked Juppe's butt and
>it looks like we have some kicking to do here to.

You mean the US is more socially unstable than
Bosnia? Belorussia? Russia? Sorry, I
don't see that.


> The world is a tuxedo,pal.
>>>> And you and your ilk are a pair of *brown* shoes.
>>>And your a cumberbun.-
>
>> It goes with the tuxedo. You don't.

>And its also close to the ruling class dick you suck.

Would that I even knew someone
in the ruling class. You give
me too much credit, Boris.
I blush.

Lazarous

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Martyn Kershaw (c...@axionet.com) wrote:

: What are you talking about. Torture and murder under Allende? Or under
: the present administration?


The present administration.

: Typical leftist, childish, silly, immature, nearsighted and many other


: adjectives that someone who is wrong will resort to in order not to say

Give me a break. All you rightoids ever do is call people names here.
As for being wrong, not likely. At least I don't have to come up with
fake names to speak my mind.

: >
: > --


: > -Jason Kodish
: >
: > It is a sad day when one who opposes the ever looming power of the State
: > is called an anarchist. When it becomes politically incorrect to believe
: > in such basic precepts such as freedom of choice. It is my belief that
: > those who do not defend their rights deserve to lose them...-Me.

: >
: >

XXX

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gcr...@ix.netcom.com(Gary Cruse) wrote:

>In <54s2nj$a...@mongol.sasknet.sk.ca> think...@sk.sympatico.ca (XXX)
>writes:
>>> Investments that are put at risk and used
>>> to fund the entrepreneurship(sp) that
>>> makes it possible for workers to be employed
>>> and put food on your table.
>>Your living in dreamland.

> You do not understand economics. Should
> have known. The evidence was there all along.

I probably have more knowledge of it than you. There is a real problem
with mutual funds in that they don't do a lot to stimulate employment
in Canada. Investment is generally out of country - usually in third
world countries, in quasi-expoitative conditions - to maximize the
return on investment for the fund-holder. There are "moral funds"
but returns are also lower since they do not countenance the
exploitative practices of enterprises in which other funds are only to
happy to invest.

Far better that you used your savings to invest in Canadian
businesses... as a shareholder, or that you started your own business,
and employed others.


>>>Your mendacious
>>> political subversion does no one any good.
>>I'll yell from the rooftops to prevent you fascist slime from gaining
>>total control over the world, and entrenching poverty and oppression
>>for the majority of us.

> Yelling from the rooftops? God, this gets
> better all the time. And in case you
> hadn't noticed, the world is moving in
> the direction of free-market capitalism.

"Free market" - the very name is a misnomer. What I have noticed is
that those who control our system are rapidly moving to dismantle the
welfare state, and replace it with a law and order based system -
fascism - that supports and enhances their priviledged position.

> Maybe you need to yell better, not louder.

Accepted...

>>>>> Sorry, leftoid. Some parts of the world are too smart
>>>>> to bankrupt themselves following failed fantasies. Did
>>>>> you learn nothing from the collapse of the USSR?
>>
>>>>Yea, that the people there were taken in by your lies, and are now
>>>>much worse of than they were before.
>>
>>> Is that a fact? Longing for the return
>>> of communism are you?
>>Begginning too. There is no way I would have voiced support for
>>Communism 10 years ago, but the unilpolar, fascist world you and yours
>>are goose-stepping us to, has made me think Communism was pretty dam
>>good. Even if assholes like you ended up in the gulags.
>
> Out of the closet at last. Maybe you
> can argue for communism now instead
> of just flailing away and foaming about
> rightoids. Don't let the fact that
> the *real* intellects of communism
> couldn't make it work. It will be
> different this time. Right, Nikita?

Capitalism is working? 1.2 billion people live in abject poverty while
the country to the south consumes over 70 percent of the world's
resources.

>>> I wondered how long
>>> it would take after the end of the Cold war
>>> before the leftists could conjure up
>>> enough idiocy to lament the fall of the USSR.
>>As long as it took you asswipes to make our conditions intolerable.

> The only thing making your condition
> intolerable is the deficit spending
> that you clamor for more of
> and its resultant interest payments.

Were it not for the welfare state you guys are so intent on
destroying, the world might be communist now. And if the welfare state
is too blame for this country's economic ills, what prey tell caused
the Great Depression?

Read some long wave theorists - economists - like Kondrateif. If its
too deep, try some J.M. Keynes.


> You don't seem to realize that the
> nanny state costs more than the
> people can produce.

Again, what existed before the welfare state? Why did periods of mass
unemployment and social dislocation result? The great wars were
capitalist phenomena.

>>> Kill a conservative for Canada
>>>>should become a rallying cry.
>>
>>> Your foaming drool speaks for itself.
>> I'm not in the best of moods today. I'm tired of your incessant hate
>>for the poor, and your desire to further victimize the powerless. I'm
>>fed up with your lies.

> When you start refuting them, you will feel better.

Your right, I do feel better now.


>>>You assholes started a war. We'll finish
>>>>it.
>>
>>> You didn't finish the last one. And you are losing
>>> this one. Capitalism is on the ascendency around
>>> the world. Better wise up before it passes you
>>> completely by.
>>As J.K. Gailbraith has said, "the problem with the rich is that you
>>don't want more, you don't want most, you want it all." Your incessant
>>greed breeds social instability. The Left has kicked Juppe's butt and
>>it looks like we have some kicking to do here to.

> You mean the US is more socially unstable than
> Bosnia? Belorussia? Russia? Sorry, I
> don't see that.

They were all "thin states" as were many of the states in Africa. The
U.S. is also a fairly thin state but has more stablity since its
rulers have become quite adept and manipulating. chanelling and/or
criminalizing dissesnt.


>> The world is a tuxedo,pal.
>>>>> And you and your ilk are a pair of *brown* shoes.
>>>>And your a cumberbun.-
>>
>>> It goes with the tuxedo. You don't.
>>And its also close to the ruling class dick you suck.

> Would that I even knew someone
> in the ruling class. You give
> me too much credit, Boris.

Come now Adolph, most of you rightists know some people in the ruling
class. Your usually shining their shoes.
> I blush.
And buff.

>--
> Gary
>
>________

>vive the millenni
>um three cheers for labor
>give all things to enni
>one bugger thy nabor
> __________e. e. cummings

"Poverty is the worst form of violence" M. Ghandi

Georges Skorpios

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jko...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
>
> Bruce Roberts (rob...@sympatico.ca) wrote:
>
> : >Come on, Codpiece. Chile's is the most successful economy in Latin America.
> : It is so obvious to anyone with a modicum of
> : common sense and objectivity.
>
> So of course we should resort to torture and murder and all sorts of
> other things like that. The real proof that Hitler and co were rightoids,
> just like the cowardly Lambourne who hasn't the guts to post under his
> own name.
> You are a worthless freak, Lambourne, and the WHOLE WORLD IS LAUGING AT YOU!
>
> --
> -Jason Kodish
>
> It is a sad day when one who opposes the ever looming power of the State
> is called an anarchist. When it becomes politically incorrect to believe
> in such basic precepts such as freedom of choice. It is my belief that
> those who do not defend their rights deserve to lose them...-Me.
>
> Let us repeat, Codpiece, you Marxist nutcase: Chile is the most successful economically of all Latin American countries.

jko...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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Gary Cruse (gcr...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:

: Do you mean as opposed to what Stalin had to offer?
: How about Pol Pot? Maybe you would prefer what
: labor unions do to people who cross them? The Chilean


It is a shame you are such a stoopid little man, Gary.
Because we could have had some interesting conversation.
I have never been Pro Stalin, or pro Pol Pot.
So you are beating up a straw man.
Typical of the stoopid and worthless right.


: --
: Gary
:
: ________

: vive the millenni
: um three cheers for labor
: give all things to enni
: one bugger thy nabor
: __________e. e. cummings

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Georges Skorpios (gi...@interlog.com) wrote:
: jko...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:


: > Let us repeat, Codpiece, you Marxist nutcase: Chile is the most successful economically of all Latin American countries.

Proof? You, Lamborn are a moronic nutcase with no integrity at all,
and that's why THE WHOLE WORLD LAUGHS AT YOU.

Gary Cruse

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In <54tdkp$n...@mongol.sasknet.sk.ca> think...@sk.sympatico.ca (XXX)
writes:
>
>gcr...@ix.netcom.com(Gary Cruse) wrote:
>
>>In <54s2nj$a...@mongol.sasknet.sk.ca> think...@sk.sympatico.ca
(XXX)
>>writes:
>>>> Investments that are put at risk and used
>>>> to fund the entrepreneurship(sp) that
>>>> makes it possible for workers to be employed
>>>> and put food on your table.
>>>Your living in dreamland.
>
>> You do not understand economics. Should
>> have known. The evidence was there all along.
>I probably have more knowledge of it than you. There is a real problem
>with mutual funds in that they don't do a lot to stimulate employment
>in Canada. Investment is generally out of country - usually in third
>world countries, in quasi-expoitative conditions - to maximize the
>return on investment for the fund-holder. There are "moral funds"
>but returns are also lower since they do not countenance the
>exploitative practices of enterprises in which other funds are only to
>happy to invest.

Wrong. Mutual funds that invest outside
the country are called either "global"
or "international." You get to choose
whether to use them or not. Actually
most retirement funds exclude these
mutual funds because government wants
to keep investment inside the country.

>
>Far better that you used your savings to invest in Canadian
>businesses... as a shareholder, or that you started your own business,
>and employed others.

Which is what I said. Except that one
doesn't use retirement funds to start
a new business. That is venture capital.


>>>>Your mendacious
>>>> political subversion does no one any good.
>>>I'll yell from the rooftops to prevent you fascist slime from
gaining
>>>total control over the world, and entrenching poverty and oppression
>>>for the majority of us.
>
>> Yelling from the rooftops? God, this gets
>> better all the time. And in case you
>> hadn't noticed, the world is moving in
>> the direction of free-market capitalism.


>"Free market" - the very name is a misnomer. What I have noticed is
>that those who control our system are rapidly moving to dismantle the
>welfare state, and replace it with a law and order based system -

No misnomer. That is free market.

Which is the most capitalist country
in the world? The superpower to your
south. Thanks for making my point.


>>>> I wondered how long
>>>> it would take after the end of the Cold war
>>>> before the leftists could conjure up
>>>> enough idiocy to lament the fall of the USSR.
>>>As long as it took you asswipes to make our conditions intolerable.
>
>> The only thing making your condition
>> intolerable is the deficit spending
>> that you clamor for more of
>> and its resultant interest payments.
>Were it not for the welfare state you guys are so intent on
>destroying, the world might be communist now. And if the welfare state
>is too blame for this country's economic ills, what prey tell caused
>the Great Depression?

No, look at the Tiger economies of Asia.
They saw communism up close and personal.
And they ran the other way. They are now
powerful economies and the opposite of
welfare states.

I don't know that I could tell you what
caused the Great Depression. Please
enlighten me.


>
>Read some long wave theorists - economists - like Kondrateif. If its
>too deep, try some J.M. Keynes.
>> You don't seem to realize that the
>> nanny state costs more than the
>> people can produce.
>Again, what existed before the welfare state? Why did periods of mass
>unemployment and social dislocation result? The great wars were
>capitalist phenomena.

The welfare state hasn't been around forever.
You tell me what existed before it. I don't
get your point. The business cycle has been
flattened out, but not tamed. There will
always be boom and recession. Please
cite your claim that great wars are
capitalist phenomena.


Really? Is that why the '60s were
so peaceful and the Vietnam war was won?


>>> The world is a tuxedo,pal.
>>>>>> And you and your ilk are a pair of *brown* shoes.
>>>>>And your a cumberbun.-
>>>
>>>> It goes with the tuxedo. You don't.
>>>And its also close to the ruling class dick you suck.
>
>> Would that I even knew someone
>> in the ruling class. You give
>> me too much credit, Boris.
>Come now Adolph, most of you rightists know some people in the ruling
>class. Your usually shining their shoes.
>> I blush.
>And buff.

What makes you think conservatives are
personally acquainted with the ruling class?
Seems to me the ruling class in Canada
is Liberal anyway. How many ruling liberals
do you know??????

Gary Cruse

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In <54thda$j...@news.sas.ab.ca> jko...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca ()
writes:
>
>Gary Cruse (gcr...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>
>: Do you mean as opposed to what Stalin had to offer?
>: How about Pol Pot? Maybe you would prefer what
>: labor unions do to people who cross them? The Chilean
>
>
>It is a shame you are such a stoopid little man, Gary.
>Because we could have had some interesting conversation.
>I have never been Pro Stalin, or pro Pol Pot.
>So you are beating up a straw man.
>Typical of the stoopid and worthless right.

More ad hominem. Such a style.
Your previous posted attacked the
state of Chile for using water cannon
on leftist protestors. My point
is to remind you what a left wing
state does to its protestors. By
snipping out the comparison, you
attempt to evade the issue. Such
a style.


>
>
>: --

>: Gary
>:
>: ________
>
>: vive the millenni
>: um three cheers for labor
>: give all things to enni
>: one bugger thy nabor
>: __________e. e. cummings
>

>--
>-Jason Kodish
>
>It is a sad day when one who opposes the ever looming power of the
State
>is called an anarchist. When it becomes politically incorrect to
believe
>in such basic precepts such as freedom of choice. It is my belief that

>those who do not defend their rights deserve to lose them...-Me.
>
>

--

Georges Skorpios

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In article <54r3bk$k...@news.sas.ab.ca>,

jko...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () wrote:
>Bruce Roberts (rob...@sympatico.ca) wrote:
>
>: >Come on, Codpiece. Chile's is the most successful economy in Latin
America.
>: It is so obvious to anyone with a modicum of
>: common sense and objectivity.
>
>
>So of course we should resort to torture and murder... snipped

>Torture and murder have gone on for decades in Castro's Marxist,
totalitarian state. How come you have never criticized Cuba, Codpiece?
This shows your Marxist bias, shithead. Just because Chile is a free-
market nation, and the greatest success story in Latin America, you
pick on it, you little socialist prick. You are as ignorant, stupid
and bigoted as David Reilley.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But the only one that
matters is mine. --Georges Skorpios

jko...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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Oct 27, 1996, 2:00:00 AM10/27/96
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Gary Cruse (gcr...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:

: More ad hominem. Such a style.

You get what you deserve. Treat me with respect, and you'll get it.

: Your previous posted attacked the


: state of Chile for using water cannon
: on leftist protestors. My point

: is to remind you what a left wing
: state does to its protestors. By
: snipping out the comparison, you
: attempt to evade the issue. Such
: a style.


Since the States you mention are not what I consider associated with my
politics of libertarian socialism, their inclusion is irrelevant.
What, I notice is relevant, is you think State violence is ok if it is
directed towards your politics.


: >--

Gary Cruse

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In <54ukoc$p...@news.sas.ab.ca> jko...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca ()

writes:
>
>Gary Cruse (gcr...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>Since the States you mention are not what I consider associated with
my
>politics of libertarian socialism, their inclusion is irrelevant.
>What, I notice is relevant, is you think State violence is ok if it is

>directed towards your politics.

Whether or not you consider Cambodia and
Stalinist Russia leftist states, they were.
And the millions of murders perpetrated by
both pales in comparison to the use of
water cannon on leftist protesters in Chile.
Your winking at Stalin and raging at Chile
uncovers your real agenda. What is it
you want for your country anyway? What
kind of government and civil rights are
you in favor of? ANd how would you
finance it????

jko...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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Gary Cruse (gcr...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:

: both pales in comparison to the use of


: water cannon on leftist protesters in Chile.
: Your winking at Stalin and raging at Chile

You are a pathetic, and worthless moron. I do not support Stalin, have
never said anything of the sort. You are mearly a liar trying to claim
political points on the basis of constant falshoods.
It is interesting how you have not addressed the issue of State violence,
but instead chosen to deflect it towards an option I have never supported.
Am I to believe that right wing violence is acceptable?


: uncovers your real agenda. What is it


: you want for your country anyway? What
: kind of government and civil rights are
: you in favor of? ANd how would you
: finance it????

:

I want a country with fair taxation, prefferably a flat tax with no
loopholes.
I want a government that is for and accountable to the people. Recall
procedures for corrupt politicians. Freedom of speech anc concience.
I want a guaranteed annual income system which provides basic needs for
everyone without the expense and beaurocracy of the present UI/welfare
system, this being financed by running it through the tax system, and
closing the UI/welfare departments. I want to give homosexuals a right to
marry whomever they chose without worthless rightoids trying to dictate
their lives. In conclusion, I support freedom from Stalinist governments,
and from Corporate States.
Your kind merely dresses Stalin up in a suit and calls him a businessman.
I preffer a government for the 21 not the 19th century.

: --
: Gary
:
: ________

: vive the millenni
: um three cheers for labor
: give all things to enni
: one bugger thy nabor
: __________e. e. cummings

--

Barry Bruyea

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jko...@thwap.nl2k.edmonton.ab.ca (Jason Kodish) wrote:
>Workers protesting the Chilean government's move to the rightoid agenda
>(perhaps in preparation for free trade) were faced with water cannons and
>police (possibly torture).
>Is this what the New Right has to offer those who oppose?
>Torture, police brutality and worse?
--
>Jason Kodish

I don't know, Jason, why don't you ask Sendaro Luminoso? You know,
that paragon of leftoid virtue that has been butchering people in
Chile and Peru for the last 15 years? You Know, the one you have
never criticized in a single posting, but waited until there was
something you could post against a conservative government? This
is the same type of blatent hypocrisy that you proved governs all
of your postings when you refused to comment on the dead 49 children
under the care of your beloved NDP in BC. You much preferred throwing
a verbal fit when three indigents died of exposure in Toronto last
winter. You are not a politcial commentator, Jason; you are a pimp
for the left; plain and simple.


Barry Bruyea

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|jko...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () wrote:
|>Bruce Roberts (rob...@sympatico.ca) wrote:
>
|>: >Come on, Codpiece. Chile's is the most successful economy in Latin
|America.
|>: It is so obvious to anyone with a modicum of
|>: common sense and objectivity.
>
>
|>So of course we should resort to torture and murder and all sorts of
|>other things like that. The real proof that Hitler and co were
|rightoids,
|>just like the cowardly Lambourne who hasn't the guts to post under his
|>own name.
|>You are a worthless freak, Lambourne, and the WHOLE WORLD IS LAUGING AT
|YOU!
|>--
|>-Jason Kodish
>

Listen again, Jason. That laughter you hear is directed at you. Why
is it that you never make comparisons of brutality using Stalin as
the model? We all know Hitler was a butchering bastard, and we also
know that Stalin was as good or better at eliminating huge portions
of the population, by whatever means. But you never use Stalin. Why
is that, Jason? It's because you are not any kind of commentator
on politcs or social conditions, Kodish; you are a pimp for the
leftoids; ergo, hyperbole and hypocrisy are the sole content of
your bankrupt philosophy. And with your constant name calling as
in your posting above, you are adding sophmoric to your repertoire.


jko...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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Oct 27, 1996, 2:00:00 AM10/27/96
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Barry Bruyea (qui...@sentex.net) wrote:

: I don't know, Jason, why don't you ask Sendaro Luminoso? You know,


: that paragon of leftoid virtue that has been butchering people in
: Chile and Peru for the last 15 years? You Know, the one you have
: never criticized in a single posting, but waited until there was


This is the first I have heard of this individual. I merely responded to
a report I saw on the news. So I will take time here to say that this
individual is as sick and immoral as the current government.

: is the same type of blatent hypocrisy that you proved governs all


: of your postings when you refused to comment on the dead 49 children
: under the care of your beloved NDP in BC. You much preferred throwing

I did comment on this. I called it shameful and sickening, particularly
from an NDP government. But then I guess you were just too stoopid and
filled with hate of me to bother reading that.
But then a worthless suit like you isn't much for integrity, honesty or
anything else, except greed.

: a verbal fit when three indigents died of exposure in Toronto last


: winter. You are not a politcial commentator, Jason; you are a pimp

I suppose you believe their deaths were acceptable.
And I am a pimp for no one.
You, however are a whore for the right. You sell your soul for money-sex
and you screw the rest of us.

jko...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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Oct 27, 1996, 2:00:00 AM10/27/96
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Barry Bruyea (qui...@sentex.net) wrote:

: Listen again, Jason. That laughter you hear is directed at you. Why


: is it that you never make comparisons of brutality using Stalin as
: the model? We all know Hitler was a butchering bastard, and we also

Actuall, I have. In fact, rightoid rule has a great deal in common with
Stalin, at least in political methods,. I have frequently mentioned him
in referance to government having too much authority. In stalinist
tactics like fingerprinting the poor and such.

: leftoids; ergo, hyperbole and hypocrisy are the sole content of

Hardly, I speak the truth. The fact that you are a useless liar who
cannot be trusted with anything is not my problem. It is yours.

: your bankrupt philosophy. And with your constant name calling as


: in your posting above, you are adding sophmoric to your repertoire.

Funny, suit, how it is perfectly ok for you worthless rightoids to call
me all sorts of names, to threaten me with lawsuits and to harrass me,
but dare I respond I get a finger wagging from you.
Believe me, rightoid suit. You and yours are far worse for that than I
could ever be. Just read Riess to see.
I attempted to have a rational conversation with him, and was polite, in
spite of the fact that others were involved in a flame war..up until the
point he started insulting me.
Unlike you, suit, I have integrity and morality, and honesty backing me up.
You're just a sleazbag with a a tie.

Belgarion

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In article <54r3bk$k...@news.sas.ab.ca>,

jko...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () wrote:
>Bruce Roberts (rob...@sympatico.ca) wrote:
>

>You are a worthless freak, Lambourne, and the WHOLE WORLD IS LAUGING AT YOU!
>

You are a socialist weenie, Kodish, and the whole world thinks you're a
socialist weenie.

jko...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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Belgarion (thra...@compusmart.ab.ca) wrote:

: You are a socialist weenie, Kodish, and the whole world thinks you're a
: socialist weenie.

Big words coming from a big mouthed asshole to cowardly to put his name
behind his words.
You got any brains to back your big mouth up, loser?

Belgarion

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Oct 27, 1996, 2:00:00 AM10/27/96
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In article <550do6$a...@news.sas.ab.ca>,
jko...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca (Asshole Kodish) wrote:

>Big words coming from a big mouthed asshole to cowardly to put his name
>behind his words.
>

My name's got fuck all to do with the truth. How do any of us know you use
your real name? We supposed to take your word for it? Get real, gravity boy.
You're still just a socialist weenie.

Belgarion

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Oct 27, 1996, 2:00:00 AM10/27/96
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In article <5503ke$b...@news.sas.ab.ca>,
jko...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () wrote:

>Unlike you, suit, I have integrity and morality, and honesty backing me up.
>You're just a sleazbag with a a tie.
>
>

Bull. All you got is opinion, self-promotion, and muck-raking to back you up.

jko...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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Oct 28, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/28/96
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Belgarion (thra...@compusmart.ab.ca) wrote:

: >
: Bull. All you got is opinion, self-promotion, and muck-raking to back you up.

I do have opinion. Self promotion? No more so than anyone else who posts
to Usenet. Mack Raking? You are the one who insults me behind the veil of
a fake name.

jko...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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Belgarion (thra...@compusmart.ab.ca) wrote:
: >
: My name's got fuck all to do with the truth. How do any of us know you use


When you use your real name it means you put your opinion and yourself on
the line. It means you can be called to account for what you say, by
friends, employers, whomever.
It's got everything to do with the truth. As for the proof, you can
e-mail a number of people, you can look me up, you can even choose to
meet with me if you wish.
Fact is, you are a cowardly little troll who hasn't the courage to speak
with his own name because like most of the losers of the worthless right,
you wish not to be accountable.
That's why that loser in Saskatchwan,Jack Wolfe of the Tory party, blew
his own brains out leaving his pegnant wife behind when it was found he
was didlying in the taxpayers cookie jar.
Worthless rightoids like him and you are afraid of being accountable.

Colin McCann

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Oct 28, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/28/96
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Jason Kodish (jko...@thwap.nl2k.edmonton.ab.ca) writes:
> Workers protesting the Chilean government's move to the rightoid agenda
> (perhaps in preparation for free trade) were faced with water cannons and
> police (possibly torture).
> Is this what the New Right has to offer those who oppose?
> Torture, police brutality and worse?
>

It is good to see that someone is willing to expose the Chilean
government. The only way people can know about human rights abuses in
other countries is if they are informed. It is unfortunate that there are
many who show a complete lack of compassion about conditions in these
countries which have been turned into labour camps. I was thoroughly
discusted by some of the responses to this article by some of the right
wing extreamists who post on the newsgroups. They dismissed you as a left
wing winner. For them, it does not matter that Chile may be regressing
back to Pinochet style rule. As long as shareholder's are happy it is OK
to dissect peasants alive at the first sign of opposition to working
conditions. In Canada we have labour relations boards to handle worker
employer disputes. In some other countries they have death squads to
handle labour disputes.

After the ELECTED Allende government was over thrown by the Chilean army
with the help of President Nixon, Chile was ruled by one of the most
brutal dictatorships on the planet led by General Pinochet. I can only
ask, when is it enough. How much blood is one willing to spill for money.

I would say to some of the respondents to Jasons article. I am sure that
there are heroin dealers out there willing to employ those with no
conscience to push heroin to elementary school kids. Think about that.


--
Colin McCann

XXX

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Phil Garnett <gar...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>You are all mixed up, Jason. Just to illustrate to you
>how illogical and bigoted you are in your socialism and
>Totskyism. You attack Chile, the most economically successful
>nation in Latin America solely because it has a free-market,
>right-of-center government. Whereas you defend and even praise
>the brutal totalitarion Castro and his Cuba, with its basket-case
>economy solely because it is of the extreme left.

Now, now Phil, 33 percent of Chileans are actually poorer than they
were under Allende, and that horrible totalitarin Cuba has a higher
life expectancy, lower infant mortality rate, and lower incarceration
rate per capita, than that great bastion of freedom that passed the
Helms-Burton law.

Read a bit Phil. Time Magazine and Associated Press articles don't
count.

jko...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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Distribution:

Phil Garnett (gar...@sympatico.ca) wrote:


: You are all mixed up, Jason. Just to illustrate to you
: how illogical and bigoted you are in your socialism and
: Totskyism. You attack Chile, the most economically successful


A new head, Hydra? Forget it Lambourne, the WHOLE WORLD IS LAUGHING AT YOU!

: the brutal totalitarion Castro and his Cuba, with its basket-case


: economy solely because it is of the extreme left.

Actually, I haven't said a word about Cuba.
Neither in it's defence nor offence. Cuba is not the issue.
Don't try to fool us again,Lambourne.

Phil Garnett

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You are all mixed up, Jason. Just to illustrate to you
how illogical and bigoted you are in your socialism and
Totskyism. You attack Chile, the most economically successful
nation in Latin America solely because it has a free-market,
right-of-center government. Whereas you defend and even praise

Dave Anderson

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jko...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () wrote:

>Belgarion (thra...@compusmart.ab.ca) wrote:
>
>: You are a socialist weenie, Kodish, and the whole world thinks you're a
>: socialist weenie.
>

>Big words coming from a big mouthed asshole to cowardly to put his name
>behind his words.

>You got any brains to back your big mouth up, loser?

But you are a socialist weiner. Alhough I would have prefered leach.
The meaning is non-the less the same. Vote selfish, vote gready and
self serving - vote lIberal or NDP and get off on screwing others.

And you know my name CodFish...
_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
Freedom to live in peace, self worth, the ability
to succeed - all take sacrifices and determination.

Duncan O'Neal

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thra...@compusmart.ab.ca (Belgarion) wrote:


>My name's got fuck all to do with the truth.

Gee, let's take that one out of context :->
har har har

Duncan


XXX

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dand...@execpc.com (Dave Anderson) wrote:

>jko...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () wrote:

>>Belgarion (thra...@compusmart.ab.ca) wrote:
>>
>>: You are a socialist weenie, Kodish, and the whole world thinks you're a
>>: socialist weenie.
>>
>>Big words coming from a big mouthed asshole to cowardly to put his name
>>behind his words.
>>You got any brains to back your big mouth up, loser?

>But you are a socialist weiner. Alhough I would have prefered leach.
>The meaning is non-the less the same. Vote selfish, vote gready and
>self serving - vote lIberal or NDP and get off on screwing others.

>And you know my name CodFish...

And they wonder why people hate Americans...


>_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
>Freedom to live in peace, self worth, the ability
>to succeed - all take sacrifices and determination.

"Poverty is the worst form of violence" M. Ghandi

XXX

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gcr...@ix.netcom.com(Gary Cruse) wrote:

Which funds get the majority of the investment? Were talking Canada
here now.

> You get to choose
> whether to use them or not. Actually
> most retirement funds exclude these
> mutual funds because government wants
> to keep investment inside the country.

In Canada, trust funds are only to be invested in Blue Chip companies,
which means a capital drain to the Eastern seaboard of the U.S.
I know of know sensible restrictions for mutual funds either.


>>
>>Far better that you used your savings to invest in Canadian
>>businesses... as a shareholder, or that you started your own business,
>>and employed others.

> Which is what I said.

Not exactly.

>Except that one
> doesn't use retirement funds to start
> a new business. That is venture capital.

Lend it to a young entrepreneur at something less than compound
interest.

>>>>>Your mendacious
>>>>> political subversion does no one any good.
>>>>I'll yell from the rooftops to prevent you fascist slime from
>gaining
>>>>total control over the world, and entrenching poverty and oppression
>>>>for the majority of us.
>>
>>> Yelling from the rooftops? God, this gets
>>> better all the time. And in case you
>>> hadn't noticed, the world is moving in
>>> the direction of free-market capitalism.


>>"Free market" - the very name is a misnomer. What I have noticed is
>>that those who control our system are rapidly moving to dismantle the
>>welfare state, and replace it with a law and order based system -

> No misnomer. That is free market.

There is nothing "free" about the hierarchical system which determines
the destribution of socially produced goods in our society. It is a
controlled market and those with the money - capitalists - do the
controlling.

You regard that as an attribute of success. I regard it as an
attribute of failure.

>>>>> I wondered how long
>>>>> it would take after the end of the Cold war
>>>>> before the leftists could conjure up
>>>>> enough idiocy to lament the fall of the USSR.
>>>>As long as it took you asswipes to make our conditions intolerable.

>>> The only thing making your condition
>>> intolerable is the deficit spending
>>> that you clamor for more of
>>> and its resultant interest payments.
>>Were it not for the welfare state you guys are so intent on
>>destroying, the world might be communist now. And if the welfare state
>>is too blame for this country's economic ills, what prey tell caused
>>the Great Depression?

> No, look at the Tiger economies of Asia.
> They saw communism up close and personal.
> And they ran the other way. They are now
> powerful economies and the opposite of
> welfare states.

China, Vietnam... they've still got some running to do.
Asian people just seem to be a little more industrious. I know... I
live with one and marvel at her constantly. :-)

> I don't know that I could tell you what
> caused the Great Depression. Please
> enlighten me.

Try Kondrateif.

>>
>>Read some long wave theorists - economists - like Kondrateif. If its
>>too deep, try some J.M. Keynes.
>>> You don't seem to realize that the
>>> nanny state costs more than the
>>> people can produce.
>>Again, what existed before the welfare state? Why did periods of mass
>>unemployment and social dislocation result? The great wars were
>>capitalist phenomena.

> The welfare state hasn't been around forever.
> You tell me what existed before it.

The state that you advocate now, which existed soley for the purpose
of allowing those in elite positions to aggregate capital. The law and
order "lassifare state."

>I don't
> get your point. The business cycle has been
> flattened out, but not tamed. There will
> always be boom and recession. Please
> cite your claim that great wars are
> capitalist phenomena.

Again, please read some long wave theorists. There were no "socialist
contenders" in any of the great wars, until WWII, and even then, the
Russians were far from willing contenders.

You lost the vietnam war because you had minimal support from the
Vietnamese. How many conscienceous objectors were jailed in the Gulf
war. How did the Iraqi incubator story get so much circulation? Why
did no one bother to check it for its veracity?
What happened to the leader of the Black Panthers? What happened to
Martin Luther King? Lyndon LaRouche? David Korrish? Aim? Move?

>>>> The world is a tuxedo,pal.
>>>>>>> And you and your ilk are a pair of *brown* shoes.
>>>>>>And your a cumberbun.-
>>>>
>>>>> It goes with the tuxedo. You don't.
>>>>And its also close to the ruling class dick you suck.

>>> Would that I even knew someone
>>> in the ruling class. You give
>>> me too much credit, Boris.
>>Come now Adolph, most of you rightists know some people in the ruling
>>class. Your usually shining their shoes.
>>> I blush.
>>And buff.

> What makes you think conservatives are
> personally acquainted with the ruling class?

K.C. Irvine for one.


> Seems to me the ruling class in Canada
> is Liberal anyway. How many ruling liberals
> do you know??????

Just because they "govern" doesn't mean they rule. But Paul Martin and
Power Corporation are certainly up there.

> Gary
>
>________

>vive the millenni
>um three cheers for labor
>give all things to enni
>one bugger thy nabor
> __________e. e. cummings

"Poverty is the worst form of violence" M. Ghandi

jko...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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Dave Anderson (dand...@execpc.com) wrote:


: And you know my name CodFish...

And how do you do, Codfish?


: _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/


: Freedom to live in peace, self worth, the ability
: to succeed - all take sacrifices and determination.

--

jko...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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Dave Anderson (dand...@execpc.com) wrote:
: jko...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () wrote:

: But you are a socialist weiner. Alhough I would have prefered leach.


: The meaning is non-the less the same. Vote selfish, vote gready and
: self serving - vote lIberal or NDP and get off on screwing others.


If I wanted to vote selfish and greedy, I would have voted conservative.
We know all conservatives are pretty well selfish and greedy.

: And you know my name CodFish...

Gary Cruse

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