Making Crime Illegal
JMD
illegal to own an unregistered hand gun (and has been for about 70 years)
and now Martin has banned them.
Is he now going to confiscate the legally registered hand guns owned by
collectors and target shooters? How will that prevent gun crimes?
How will the ban stop the use of imported illegal hand guns to shoot people
at the Jane and Finch hotspot in the Centre of the Known Universe? Will
people already committing crimes be deterred by his ban?
What is Mr. Dithers smoking?
So many questions. So few answers
John Dowell
Jimmy
populace to be a 'getting tough on gun crime' policy. Much of the
genpop don't think things through, even the ones with graduate degrees.
I know an MSW who says that if there weren't any guns out there there
wouldn't be gun crime; meaning that no one should own guns.(except for
the hallowed police and other uniforms) What he fails to do though is
to understand that crims will get guns. This idioto even worked in
jails before, so you'd think crim naievity wouldn't affect him.
Bert Hyman
news:FMGdnchS8eC...@rogers.com:
> Is he now going to confiscate the legally registered hand guns
> owned by collectors and target shooters?
Well, why not?
> How will that prevent gun crimes?
Oh please!
Gun control isn't about crime. It's not even about guns.
It's about control.
--
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sdgreen
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===========================
Yup, the Liberals just do not get it, but hey, Toronto will be protected
from those guys in rural areas of Canada!
tund...@hotmail.com
The sad thing is that those supposedly-sophisticated well educated
people from such places as the Centre of the Universe are the ones
being politically placated by the existence of the gun registry, and
they are the ones who will have to deal with the fact that the gun
registry will do nothing to protect them from illegal handguns. They
will be the brunt of the failure. Their children and neighbors will be
the ones getting shot with illegal guns.
The solution that *they* wanted in place will do nothing to safeguard
*them*. And these people actually consider themselves better and
smarter than the rest of the country.
All it does is impose draconian regulations on the peaceable gun owners
in places other than the Centre of the Universe. And cost us all $2
billions for absolutely no added security. Even the RCMP can't use the
registry for anything useful, because they know that the guns that are
registered aren't the problem. It is the guns that are not, and will
never be registered, that are the problem. By its very deisgn and
concept, the gun registry will never tell the anyone anything useful
that will help anyone's security in any situation.
TC
Sarrazin
>jmd...@rogers.com (JMD) wrote in
>news:FMGdnchS8eC...@rogers.com:
>
>> Is he now going to confiscate the legally registered hand guns
>> owned by collectors and target shooters?
>
>Well, why not?
>
>> How will that prevent gun crimes?
>
>Oh please!
>
>Gun control isn't about crime. It's not even about guns.
>
>It's about control.
And why do you say that? It sounds like more self righteous NRA clap trap.
The same morons who keep calling a 1 year anomaly in Canadian violent crime
statistics "a trend" for the sake of their pro-gun agenda.
Duncan Patton
"Jimmy" <Willian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> The answer is that his proposed ban on hand guns APPEARS to the general
> populace to be a 'getting tough on gun crime' policy. Much of the
> genpop don't think things through, even the ones with graduate degrees.
> I know an MSW who says that if there weren't any guns out there there
> wouldn't be gun crime; meaning that no one should own guns.(except for
No. "No Gun Crime" means crime without guns. Lower violence amplitude,
more time for sane intervention. Take away the guns and people still
beat the shit outta each other with knifes, baseball bats, crowbars, whatever.
But usually, patching them up afterwards is much cheaper than with guns.
Tools whose primary use is weaponry should not be concealed in a civil
society. The political purposes for the guarantees of the right to
possess arms in the US are not served by concealed weapons for sneaking
up and robbing/stealing/murdering your neighbor.
Dhu
> the hallowed police and other uniforms) What he fails to do though is
> to understand that crims will get guns. This idioto even worked in
> jails before, so you'd think crim naievity wouldn't affect him.
>
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Bert Hyman
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m:
> The same morons who keep calling a 1 year anomaly in Canadian
> violent crime statistics "a trend" for the sake of their pro-gun
> agenda.
Hmm? Sounds like it's your authoritarian government thugs who are
taking advantage of your anomaly to clamp down on your law-abiding
citizens.
Larry Stowell
sdgreen wrote:
> "JMD" <jmd...@rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:FMGdnchS8eC...@rogers.com...
> > Isn't that what Mr. Dithers has done with his hand gun ban? It is already
> > illegal to own an unregistered hand gun (and has been for about 70 years)
> > and now Martin has banned them.
> >
> > Is he now going to confiscate the legally registered hand guns
A loony French Muslim murders 14 women in Montreal and it costs all Canadians
two billion bux and diminishes their right to own their own property.
Fifty black kids in Toronto shoot each other and all Canadians have their
registered hand guns confiscated and millions spent for extra policing all over
the country.
Not that I think what he is doing is right but I sure as hell wish Martin had
come to the conclusion to ban all hand guns before he wasted the two billion.
Frigging moron!
Obler
"Bert Hyman" <be...@iphouse.com> wrote
> sarra...@videotron.ca (Sarrazin) wrote in
> m:
>
> > The same morons who keep calling a 1 year anomaly in Canadian
> > violent crime statistics "a trend" for the sake of their pro-gun
> > agenda.
>
> Hmm? Sounds like it's your authoritarian government thugs who are
> taking advantage of your anomaly to clamp down on your law-abiding
> citizens.
>
Get a Hearing Aid. They are banning weapons that have mostly already been
banned in Canada in the first place and this isn't that far from what some parts
of the USA have already done as well. Why not get your facts from better
sources than your fellow partisans on Usenet?
And turn up the Hearing Aid, the sounds you're hearing are muffled.
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Obler
"E. Barry Bruyea" <liberala...@program.pc.ca> wrote:
> Martin's plan is to create more shootings to reduce the thug
> population in Canada; after all, gun crime has gone up 40% in the U.K.
> since they banned handguns.
Firstly, the two do not necessarily correlate. People weren't carrying handguns
in the UK anyway.
You're just sopping up the usual NRA propaganda, even the 40% (not even proven)
number is bogus because there was a redefinition of how crime statistics were
measured which attributed to the total number. Find a reputable link which
validates the 40% increase first, then cut it down by 20% to attribute for the
change in measuring such events which made it appear as if there was a drastic
increase, which there wasn't.
Don't trust the NRA for 'gun facts', unless you're just into spreading
misinformation and lies.
Bert Hyman
>
> "Bert Hyman" <be...@iphouse.com> wrote
>> sarra...@videotron.ca (Sarrazin) wrote in
>
>> m:
>>
>> > The same morons who keep calling a 1 year anomaly in Canadian
>> > violent crime statistics "a trend" for the sake of their pro-gun
>> > agenda.
>>
>> Hmm? Sounds like it's your authoritarian government thugs who are
>> taking advantage of your anomaly to clamp down on your law-abiding
>> citizens.
>>
>
> Get a Hearing Aid. They are banning weapons that have mostly
> already been banned in Canada in the first place
Really? So the talk of confiscation of legally held firearms isn't
true?
> and this isn't that far from what some parts of the USA have
> already done as well.
Again, really? Perhaps you could elaborate.
> Why not get your facts from better sources than your fellow
> partisans on Usenet?
Here's your chance.
Obler
"Bert Hyman" <be...@iphouse.com> wrote in message
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> ob...@nospam.net (Obler) wrote in news:4398...@news.usenetzone.com:
>
> >
> > "Bert Hyman" <be...@iphouse.com> wrote
> >> sarra...@videotron.ca (Sarrazin) wrote in
> >
> >> m:
> >>
> >> > The same morons who keep calling a 1 year anomaly in Canadian
> >> > violent crime statistics "a trend" for the sake of their pro-gun
> >> > agenda.
> >>
> >> Hmm? Sounds like it's your authoritarian government thugs who are
> >> taking advantage of your anomaly to clamp down on your law-abiding
> >> citizens.
> >>
> >
> > Get a Hearing Aid. They are banning weapons that have mostly
> > already been banned in Canada in the first place
>
> Really? So the talk of confiscation of legally held firearms isn't
> true?
Why don't you read up on it, you stupid American. Fuck, what is wrong with you?
>
> > and this isn't that far from what some parts of the USA have
> > already done as well.
>
> Again, really? Perhaps you could elaborate.
New York City, Los Angeles and several major cities.
Bert Hyman
>
> "Bert Hyman" <be...@iphouse.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns97266C5C34A...@127.0.0.1...
>> ob...@nospam.net (Obler) wrote in
>> news:4398...@news.usenetzone.com:
>>
>> >
>> > "Bert Hyman" <be...@iphouse.com> wrote
>> >> sarra...@videotron.ca (Sarrazin) wrote in
>> >
>> >> m:
>> >>
>> >> > The same morons who keep calling a 1 year anomaly in Canadian
>> >> > violent crime statistics "a trend" for the sake of their
>> >> > pro-gun agenda.
>> >>
>> >> Hmm? Sounds like it's your authoritarian government thugs who
>> >> are taking advantage of your anomaly to clamp down on your
>> >> law-abiding citizens.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Get a Hearing Aid. They are banning weapons that have mostly
>> > already been banned in Canada in the first place
>>
>> Really? So the talk of confiscation of legally held firearms isn't
>> true?
>
> Why don't you read up on it, you stupid American. Fuck, what is
> wrong with you?
You must have studied rhetoric in school; I've never been presented
with a clearer, more convincing argument.
Good luck.
Leo J Callaghan
he is banning them again.
>
Tori Mugwump
"JMD" <jmd...@rogers.com> wrote in message
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10x@teluös.net
wrote:
>On 8 Dec 2005 07:39:26 -0800
>"Jimmy" <Willian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The answer is that his proposed ban on hand guns APPEARS to the general
>> populace to be a 'getting tough on gun crime' policy. Much of the
>> genpop don't think things through, even the ones with graduate degrees.
>> I know an MSW who says that if there weren't any guns out there there
>> wouldn't be gun crime; meaning that no one should own guns.(except for
>
>No. "No Gun Crime" means crime without guns. Lower violence amplitude,
>more time for sane intervention. Take away the guns and people still
>beat the shit outta each other with knifes, baseball bats, crowbars, whatever.
>
>But usually, patching them up afterwards is much cheaper than with guns.
This is pure bullshit.
Criminals will not turn in their guns and will always have a source of
guns.
Remember that the largest mass murder in Canada was an arson.
take the ö out of 10x@teluös.net to email me
10x@teluös.net
In Canada, section 92 of the criminal code makes it illegal to possess
a gun.
Martin is grandstanding.
Leo J Callaghan
wrote:
then you'd agree that the same morons who jabber about one hot summer
correlating to global warming are wrong too then. glad we have that
cleared up.
fyi in canada the nra is not on our radar other than when the cbc
plays 'that' clip from mike mooreons anti-repub screed (the one about
guns, not the other one) where chuck h rails about his cold hands.
(chuck needs mittens with a trigger finger).
what this is about firstly is political grandstanding during an
election. we have a mangificent $2B+++ platininum and diamond
encrusted gun registry. the cost was originally projected to be <$2m
and would pay for itself. well, the fella who said that is now
fittingly the canadian amabassador to the un. he also used ta be the
health minister. his greasy fingerprints are all over cock-ups, dearly
paid for by me and my fellow sufferers. secondly this is about banning
a thing that is already banned. see point 1. this is also pure bs as
any canadian knows.
there is no pro-grun agenda in canada. there is the the lawful gun
owners and therer are gangstas killing each other and civillians
caught in the crossfire using guns smuggled into canada. the us is the
source of handguns. there is no other place. we have an american
problem plaguing canada. no thanks.
Leo J Callaghan
>
>"Bert Hyman" <be...@iphouse.com> wrote
>> sarra...@videotron.ca (Sarrazin) wrote in
>
>> m:
>>
>> > The same morons who keep calling a 1 year anomaly in Canadian
>> > violent crime statistics "a trend" for the sake of their pro-gun
>> > agenda.
>>
>> Hmm? Sounds like it's your authoritarian government thugs who are
>> taking advantage of your anomaly to clamp down on your law-abiding
>> citizens.
>>
>
>Get a Hearing Aid. They are banning weapons that have mostly already been
>banned in Canada in the first place and this isn't that far from what some parts
>of the USA have already done as well. Why not get your facts from better
>sources than your fellow partisans on Usenet?
>
>And turn up the Hearing Aid, the sounds you're hearing are muffled.
>
>
>
they are proposing to ban a banned thing. guns in this case. only an
intellectual and poli-tician would say or agree to such a silly thing.
Leo J Callaghan
gee, not to be cynical but if the gun ban gets the liebs one more seat
in the gta gun range, then the ban is worth it.
Larry Stowell
Leo J Callaghan wrote:
Yes but they will be more banned then being just banned.
>
>
> >
Larry Stowell
"10x"@teluös.net wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 16:06:25 GMT, Duncan Patton <camp...@neotext.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >On 8 Dec 2005 07:39:26 -0800
> >"Jimmy" <Willian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> The answer is that his proposed ban on hand guns APPEARS to the general
> >> populace to be a 'getting tough on gun crime' policy. Much of the
> >> genpop don't think things through, even the ones with graduate degrees.
> >> I know an MSW who says that if there weren't any guns out there there
> >> wouldn't be gun crime; meaning that no one should own guns.(except for
> >
> >No. "No Gun Crime" means crime without guns. Lower violence amplitude,
> >more time for sane intervention. Take away the guns and people still
> >beat the shit outta each other with knifes, baseball bats, crowbars, whatever.
> >
> >But usually, patching them up afterwards is much cheaper than with guns.
>
> This is pure bullshit.
> Criminals will not turn in their guns and will always have a source of
> guns.
The black lady whose brother was murdered with a hand gun told all of Canada on TV
that people were not going to turn in their hand guns.
>
>
> Remember that the largest mass murder in Canada was an arson.
>
>
Drunk drivers kill far more people then people with handguns. Why allow people to
drink or to drive cars when clearly they are far more dangerous then guns.
Duncan Patton
Larry Stowell <l.spam....@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>
> sdgreen wrote:
>
> > "JMD" <jmd...@rogers.com> wrote in message
> > news:FMGdnchS8eC...@rogers.com...
> > > Isn't that what Mr. Dithers has done with his hand gun ban? It is already
> > > illegal to own an unregistered hand gun (and has been for about 70 years)
> > > and now Martin has banned them.
> > >
> > > Is he now going to confiscate the legally registered hand guns
>
> A loony French Muslim murders 14 women in Montreal and it costs all Canadians
> two billion bux and diminishes their right to own their own property.
>
> Fifty black kids in Toronto shoot each other and all Canadians have their
> registered hand guns confiscated and millions spent for extra policing all over
> the country.
>
Just a few days back one stupid young man shot another with a cheap pistol outside
a bar here. Now one of them is dead and the other has to be "babysat" for a number
of years at my expense and yours.
Some of my personal friends actually own legitimate pistols. But all of them have
real guns to play with too.
Dhu
> Not that I think what he is doing is right but I sure as hell wish Martin had
> come to the conclusion to ban all hand guns before he wasted the two billion.
>
>
> Frigging moron!
>
Larry Stowell
"10x"@teluös.net wrote:
Barnum and Bailey would hire him in a second.
The greatest show on earth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Larry Stowell
Leo J Callaghan wrote:
Great post!!
Larry Stowell
Leo J Callaghan wrote:
Yea gotta keepem dazzled. Round and round she goes ,,, where she stops nobody knows.
Scalled showmanship. (Or BS) (O:
Recycled hay .......... Used hay .......... Horse shit
Take your pick
Len McLaughlin
"Larry Stowell" <l.spam....@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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>
>
> sdgreen wrote:
>
>> "JMD" <jmd...@rogers.com> wrote in message
>> news:FMGdnchS8eC...@rogers.com...
>> > Isn't that what Mr. Dithers has done with his hand gun ban? It is
>> > already
>> > illegal to own an unregistered hand gun (and has been for about 70
>> > years)
>> > and now Martin has banned them.
>> >
>> > Is he now going to confiscate the legally registered hand guns
>
> A loony French Muslim murders 14 women in Montreal and it costs all
> Canadians
> two billion bux and diminishes their right to own their own property.
>
I did not know ( maybe remember) that this guy was a Muslim. Is this
general knowledge or am
I just the last to hear?
lm
sunshine
>> guns
>
>
>> How will that prevent gun crimes?
>
>
> Gun control isn't about crime. It's not even about guns.
>
> It's about control.
>
Absolutely so. Well said.
--
sunshine
=======
Leo J Callaghan
<liberala...@program.pc.ca> wrote:
>Only if you believe every damn problem Canada has is created by the
>Americans.
>
this one is. where else are the guns coming from?
and i can hardly be accused of american bashing. the spade is a spade.
do you have info that suggests the guns are not coming from the us? if
not, where?
tyreen...@hotmail.com
Len McLaughlin wrote:
> I did not know ( maybe remember) that this guy was a Muslim. Is this
> general knowledge or am
> I just the last to hear?
Well of course you don't know or don't remember that Gamil Gharbi
(a.k.a.:marc lepine) was a muslim,the whole point of these yearly
reminders of the montreal massacre is to blame the WHITE MAN!
Thats the reason they keep calling him MARK LEPINE,to remind everybody
it be a white boy dat done da killin'.
Ralph Pippey
>>Criminals will not turn in their guns and will always have a source of
>>guns.
>
>
> The black lady whose brother was murdered with a hand gun told all of Canada on TV
> that people were not going to turn in their hand guns.
>
The handgun ban will only save us from the law-abiding criminals. How
can it possibly work anywhere near 100%? 50%? 25%? 5%?
> Drunk drivers kill far more people then people with handguns. Why allow people to
> drink or to drive cars when clearly they are far more dangerous then guns.
Someone who driver's licence was suspended, and who had no car
insurance, still got behind the wheel of a car even though he was so
drunk he could bare stand. He proceeded to cause an accident that
nearly killed my sister. Nobody ever tried killing anyone in my family
with a gun.
No problem can, or will, be cured my throwing more laws at it. Anyone
who says it will should go to work as a stand-up comedian.
blondo
More lies from a right wing racist neo-Nazi who will no doubt be casting his
vote for Harper in the election.
Dennis G.
>Isn't that what Mr. Dithers has done with his hand gun ban? It is already
>illegal to own an unregistered hand gun (and has been for about 70 years)
>and now Martin has banned them.
>
>Is he now going to confiscate the legally registered hand guns owned by
>collectors and target shooters? How will that prevent gun crimes?
>
>How will the ban stop the use of imported illegal hand guns to shoot people
>at the Jane and Finch hotspot in the Centre of the Known Universe? Will
>people already committing crimes be deterred by his ban?
>
>What is Mr. Dithers smoking?
>
>So many questions. So few answers
>
>John Dowell
>
So little understanding! So many minds closed by ideology!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051208/wl_canada_nm/canada_politics_col_197
<begin quote>
Canada already has restrictive firearms legislation, but under the Liberal
proposal only police and some security officers would be allowed to carry
handguns.
<end quote>
Same smoke as Mr. Harper, I guess.He's just a little indefinite about the
matter.
<Begin quote>
Conservative Party leader Stephen Harper said gun crime has spun out of control
because the Liberals failed to do anything. He pledged to crack down on illegal
gun use, stop guns from crossing the border, and bring in mandatory prison
sentences.
"We need to rid our country of illegal guns, that's why I support tough gun
control," he said in a statement. "The Conservative Party will do everything
necessary to make sure guns stay out of the hands of criminals."
<end quote>
I wish one of them would advocate search and seizure provisions that would
enable law enforcement to move freely against known offenders and their
associates.
Dennis
Dennis G.
>jmd...@rogers.com (JMD) wrote in
>news:FMGdnchS8eC...@rogers.com:
>
>> Is he now going to confiscate the legally registered hand guns
>> owned by collectors and target shooters?
>
>Well, why not?
>
>> How will that prevent gun crimes?
>
>Oh please!
>
>Gun control isn't about crime. It's not even about guns.
>
>It's about control.
Don't let the facts get in the way of your ideology!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051208/wl_canada_nm/canada_politics_col_197
<begin quote>
"Handguns kill people. That's why they exist. They are taking too many Canadian
lives," he said.
Canada's murder rate is about a third of that in the United States, but there is
rising fear about gun crime in Toronto, traditionally a stronghold for the
Liberals.
The country's homicide rate jumped by 12 percent last year from 2003, according
to official statistics. Handguns accounted for two-thirds of all firearms
murders.
<end quote>
The big danger is that Canadians will acceopt the idiotic ideology prevalent in
the USA that argues guns are good in the face of the overwhelming contrary
evidence so sharply illustrated by cases like the Columbine shootings.
Dennis
AZX
>The handgun ban will only save us from the law-abiding criminals. How
>can it possibly work anywhere near 100%? 50%? 25%? 5%?
Are you unaware that many handguns used in shootings (up to 50% according to
law enforcement sources)are stolen from collections during break-ins, or are
you just playing dense?
Most of these handguns in collections serve no other purpose but to be stolen
or to support the macho insecurities of the owners. The law provides for
them to be disabled to be kept.
Dennis G.
>ob...@nospam.net (Obler) wrote in news:4398...@news.usenetzone.com:
>
>>
>> "Bert Hyman" <be...@iphouse.com> wrote
>>> sarra...@videotron.ca (Sarrazin) wrote in
>>
>>> m:
>>>
>>> > The same morons who keep calling a 1 year anomaly in Canadian
>>> > violent crime statistics "a trend" for the sake of their pro-gun
>>> > agenda.
>>>
>>> Hmm? Sounds like it's your authoritarian government thugs who are
>>> taking advantage of your anomaly to clamp down on your law-abiding
>>> citizens.
>>>
>>
>> Get a Hearing Aid. They are banning weapons that have mostly
>> already been banned in Canada in the first place
>
>Really? So the talk of confiscation of legally held firearms isn't
>true?
>
That law is established nd is restrictive. Change in the law will restrict legal
carry of handguns to peace officers.
No talk of confiscation at all except in the minds of the ideologs.
Dennis
Dennis G.
>It's a little like outlawing bootlegging
>
It is more like establishing that only the government can sell liquor.
D
Ralph Pippey
> Ralph Pippey pip...@nbnet.nb.ca wrote:
>
>
>>The handgun ban will only save us from the law-abiding criminals. How
>>can it possibly work anywhere near 100%? 50%? 25%? 5%?
>
>
> Are you unaware that many handguns used in shootings (up to 50% according to
> law enforcement sources)are stolen from collections during break-ins, or are
> you just playing dense?
How will a ban stop people from stealing handguns? If someone has a
handgun anyway, someone else can still steal it. Nothing will work 100%
if not all 100% of the people obey the law. I don't think you'll see
that happen anytime soon.
AZX
>AZX wrote:
>
>> Ralph Pippey pip...@nbnet.nb.ca wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The handgun ban will only save us from the law-abiding criminals. How
>>>can it possibly work anywhere near 100%? 50%? 25%? 5%?
>>
>>
>> Are you unaware that many handguns used in shootings (up to 50%
>> according to law enforcement sources)are stolen from collections during
>> break-ins, or are you just playing dense?
>
>How will a ban stop people from stealing handguns?
BECAUSE THEY'RE OFTEN STOLEN FROM COLLECTIONS, YOU IGNORANT ASSHOLE - CAN'T
YOU READ.
If someone has a
>handgun anyway, someone else can still steal it. Nothing will work 100%
>if not all 100% of the people obey the law. I don't think you'll see
>that happen anytime soon.
Do you ever think before you express yourself? It doesn't look like it.
Name a single law on the books that's 100% effective! Just one!
Why do you believe that we shouldn't have a law unless it's 100% effective?
After all, why should we have drinking / driving laws if some people still
drink and drive anyway? Lets throw them away because they don't work!
We have laws against murder but people still do it, so i suppose you believe
that we should just junk the homicide laws because they're not 100%
effective!
Use your brain instead of sounding like a numbskull.
notritenoteri
anything else for that matter is going to stop all evil doing totally. In
the case of drunken drivers the ones who get caught are by and large the
same ones over and over. They are largely marginalized people. When you
have nothing relatively what does a few months in the joint matter? Law
abiding citizens are usually those who have something to lose but even some
of them go whacko at times. The same is the case for guns if the people who
use them now had something to lose and some hope for the future they might
not be inclined to jeopardize it. Laws won't make any difference to them in
that situation.
"Ralph Pippey" <pip...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
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notritenoteri
would the cops know? I have heard very little in the media about the cops
recovering weapons after shootings but maybe you have a special source? Say
your ass?
"AZX" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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W
>that people were not going to turn in their hand guns.
Relax. Mr. Dithers has done a wonderful thing. He has guaranteed that
the liberals are going from a sure minority ( and a slim chance at a
majority gov't ) to a very slim minority or even a loss to the CPC.
Great move, when the very constituency your trying to keep finds
themselves in the kill zone, while Liberals propose to... well what are
they really proposing to do for them??? Oh right, ban the already
banned after spending $2Billion.
And they expect their vote? Sheesh, even Lib cabinet ministers from
Toronto were hot to dump the registry. If that can fly in some Toronto
ridings, I got a feeling the rest of Toronto is probably beginning to
feel like 'dey been had. Don't you???
Leo J Callaghan
wrote:
have your met our prime minister? any of the cabinet? they are all
working the comedy circuit as we ...type.
your point is true. just because one does not have training, license
or permit (or even ownsership) is hardly a factor is gun crimes or
driving 'crimes'. license? what for? i have a car, don't need no
steeenkin' license.
Leo J Callaghan
>Ralph Pippey pip...@nbnet.nb.ca wrote:
>
>>The handgun ban will only save us from the law-abiding criminals. How
>>can it possibly work anywhere near 100%? 50%? 25%? 5%?
>
>Are you unaware that many handguns used in shootings (up to 50% according to
>law enforcement sources)are stolen from collections during break-ins, or are
>you just playing dense?
>
>
>Most of these handguns in collections serve no other purpose but to be stolen
>or to support the macho insecurities of the owners. The law provides for
>them to be disabled to be kept.
>
>
handguns are for stealing?
to support macho insecurities?
gosh, you know a lot about this. did you read this in the toronto star
or macleans? or perhaps the liebrawl red-ish book?
or maybe you just made it up. maybe.
notritenoteri
statistics about gun thefts. So far all it is a figment of a fucked up mind.
If the authorities thought you would beleive it they would tell you its a
communist plot to shoot rob you of your precious body essence. Come to
think of it by thesound of it you are!news:1134077332.f433279e69...@roc.usenetexchange.com...
Dennis G.
>On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 17:17:33 GMT, leo_ca...@telus.net (Leo J
>Callaghan) wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 10:32:40 -0500, "JMD" <jmd...@rogers.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Isn't that what Mr. Dithers has done with his hand gun ban? It is already
>>>illegal to own an unregistered hand gun (and has been for about 70 years)
>>>and now Martin has banned them.
>>>
>>>Is he now going to confiscate the legally registered hand guns owned by
>>>collectors and target shooters? How will that prevent gun crimes?
>>>
>>>How will the ban stop the use of imported illegal hand guns to shoot people
>>>at the Jane and Finch hotspot in the Centre of the Known Universe? Will
>>>people already committing crimes be deterred by his ban?
>>>
>>>What is Mr. Dithers smoking?
>>>
>>>So many questions. So few answers
>>>
>>>John Dowell
>>>
>>
>>
>>he is banning them again.
>>
>
>In Canada, section 92 of the criminal code makes it illegal to possess
>a gun.
>Martin is grandstanding.
>
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/C-46/42061.html
The gun control provisions in the criminal code.
However, Martin is talking about alytering provisions of the Firearms Act quite
substantially in limiting who can carry.
AZX
>The black lady whose brother was murdered with a hand gun told all of
>Canada on TV that people were not going to turn in their hand guns.
>
Who? Street gangs? This isn't about street gangs, it's about a major
source of illegal weapons on the street; handguns stolen from collections,
guns that serve no other purpose than to be played with by their owners or
stolen and used in crimes. Why are you trying to cloud the issue with
irrelevant shit? What does her opinion matter? What are her qualifications?
Judging from her comments, she's clueless when it comes to understanding this
proposed law because it deals with one of the sources of criminally used
handguns, not the thugs which are a completely different matter and to be
dealt with separately.
I get the feeling that you're just spewing what ever garbage comes into your
head about this issue because you haven't a big enough brain to understand
what's going on.
Not only that, but your racist remarks make you look like more of an
illiterate right wing slob than you already appeared to be before.
>
>Drunk drivers kill far more people then people with handguns. Why allow
>people to drink or to drive cars when clearly they are far more dangerous
>then guns.
>
Because automobiles serve a purpose, guns don't. You can't even get the
usual NRA rhetorical bull shit right, better bone up if you want to be a
'merican.
tund...@hotmail.com
Leo J Callaghan wrote:
> On 8 Dec 2005 07:53:47 -0800, tund...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> >
> >JMD wrote:
> >> Isn't that what Mr. Dithers has done with his hand gun ban? It is already
> >> illegal to own an unregistered hand gun (and has been for about 70 years)
> >> and now Martin has banned them.
> >>
> >> Is he now going to confiscate the legally registered hand guns owned by
> >> collectors and target shooters? How will that prevent gun crimes?
> >>
> >> How will the ban stop the use of imported illegal hand guns to shoot people
> >> at the Jane and Finch hotspot in the Centre of the Known Universe? Will
> >> people already committing crimes be deterred by his ban?
> >>
> >> What is Mr. Dithers smoking?
> >>
> >> So many questions. So few answers
> >>
> >> John Dowell
> >
> >people from such places as the Centre of the Universe are the ones
> >being politically placated by the existence of the gun registry, and
> >they are the ones who will have to deal with the fact that the gun
> >registry will do nothing to protect them from illegal handguns. They
> >will be the brunt of the failure. Their children and neighbors will be
> >the ones getting shot with illegal guns.
> >
> >The solution that *they* wanted in place will do nothing to safeguard
> >*them*. And these people actually consider themselves better and
> >smarter than the rest of the country.
> >
> >All it does is impose draconian regulations on the peaceable gun owners
> >in places other than the Centre of the Universe. And cost us all $2
> >billions for absolutely no added security. Even the RCMP can't use the
> >registry for anything useful, because they know that the guns that are
> >registered aren't the problem. It is the guns that are not, and will
> >never be registered, that are the problem. By its very deisgn and
> >concept, the gun registry will never tell the anyone anything useful
> >that will help anyone's security in any situation.
> >
> >TC
> >
>
>
> gee, not to be cynical but if the gun ban gets the liebs one more seat
> in the gta gun range, then the ban is worth it.
What's with the "lieb" thing? You are probably going for some cute
little spelling/mispelling sly observation kind of thing here but it
looks stupid and does not translate well at all when you sound it out.
Better get yourself a new schtick.
TC
Jennifer Wainwright
>
>>AZX wrote:
>>
>>> Ralph Pippey pip...@nbnet.nb.ca wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>The handgun ban will only save us from the law-abiding criminals. How
>>>>can it possibly work anywhere near 100%? 50%? 25%? 5%?
>>>
>>>
>>> Are you unaware that many handguns used in shootings (up to 50%
>>> according to law enforcement sources)are stolen from collections during
>>> break-ins, or are you just playing dense?
>>
>>How will a ban stop people from stealing handguns?
>
> BECAUSE THEY'RE OFTEN STOLEN FROM COLLECTIONS, YOU IGNORANT ASSHOLE -
> CAN'T
> YOU READ.
Could you provide a cite for your statistics?
> If someone has a
>>handgun anyway, someone else can still steal it. Nothing will work 100%
>>if not all 100% of the people obey the law. I don't think you'll see
>>that happen anytime soon.
>
> Do you ever think before you express yourself? It doesn't look like it.
So is it your contention that those criminals who are so intent on obtaining
an illegal handgun that they break into a home and steal from collections
will be unable to find another way of obtaining one -- for example,
smuggling one from the US? Why would that be?
<snip>
Cheers,
Jennifer
AZX
>
>Could you provide a cite for your statistics?
Read on in this thread. Law enforcement sources (Metro Police Services for
one) make this claim using guns recovered from crimes and traced back to
their owners after they were reported stolen. That will have to suffice
unless you want to dispute it further and take it up with Metro Police
Services and the news media.
notritenoteri
collections? How many collected guns are capable of being fired? Do you know
I'll bet you don't. Any right minded collector would have many working
weapons in his collection.
Too bad you can't come up with some valid arguments instead of just
reverting to the old racist card. We're all racists one way or another it is
a just a matter of degree. You prove me wrong!news:Xns9726AC2...@218.191.67.181...
Larry Stowell
up for your info.
Booze kills far more people then guns ever did but the Martins of this
world look the other way for fear of the backlash, besides it's easier to
punish farmers and hunters.
Len McLaughlin wrote:
> "Larry Stowell" <l.spam....@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4398598A...@sympatico.ca...
> >
> >
> > sdgreen wrote:
> >
> >> "JMD" <jmd...@rogers.com> wrote in message
> >> news:FMGdnchS8eC...@rogers.com...
> >> > Isn't that what Mr. Dithers has done with his hand gun ban? It is
> >> > already
> >> > illegal to own an unregistered hand gun (and has been for about 70
> >> > years)
> >> > and now Martin has banned them.
> >> >
> >> > Is he now going to confiscate the legally registered hand guns
> >
> > A loony French Muslim murders 14 women in Montreal and it costs all
> > Canadians
> > two billion bux and diminishes their right to own their own property.
> >
> >===
> I did not know ( maybe remember) that this guy was a Muslim. Is this
> general knowledge or am
> I just the last to hear?
> lm
Bert Hyman
J Callaghan) wrote:
> this one is. where else are the guns coming from?
You're kidding, right?
Leo J Callaghan
'lieb' is short for liebrawl.
why new? i like this one.
english is flexible and i like to bend it around a bit.
perhaps you might take issue with the 'nym' thing too. go ahead, i'll
just keep posting.
notritenoteri
How many crimes involving violence are solved? How many crimes involving
guns are solved? Of those how many have the guns recovered I wonder. If you
are naive enough to beleive uncorroberated evidence then you deserve
whatever you get. Your the one making the claim you give some evidence.
Bush said that Saddam had large numbbers of WMDs (whatever those might be)
and it turned out to be bullshit. Why should the cops be any different?
"AZX" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Leo J Callaghan
geez, who cares?
it is not the law abiding, gun registering civillians that are the
problem here.
Ralph Pippey
Just heard on the news that there lots of guns used in Canada to commit
crimes are ideed smuggled in from the US.
Eliminate the guns and criminals will be using knives, baseball bats,
golf clubs, etc, etc, etc. You can even commit a violent crime with
your bare hands. How about banning hands?
Leo J Callaghan
>In news:4398971a....@news.gv.shawcable.net leo_ca...@telus.net (Leo
>J Callaghan) wrote:
>
>> this one is. where else are the guns coming from?
>
>You're kidding, right?
no.
where then are they coming from then?
Bert Hyman
(Leo J Callaghan) wrote:
> On 08 Dec 2005 22:59:09 GMT, Bert Hyman <be...@iphouse.com> wrote:
>
>>In news:4398971a....@news.gv.shawcable.net leo_ca...@telus.net
>>(Leo J Callaghan) wrote:
>>
>>> this one is. where else are the guns coming from?
>>
>>You're kidding, right?
>
>
> no.
>
> where then are they coming from then?
Toronto.
http://www.paraord.com/pages/indexd.html
Jennifer Wainwright
> Jennifer Wainwright JenniferW...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>>Could you provide a cite for your statistics?
>
> Read on in this thread. Law enforcement sources (Metro Police Services
> for
> one) make this claim using guns recovered from crimes and traced back to
> their owners after they were reported stolen. That will have to suffice
> unless you want to dispute it further and take it up with Metro Police
> Services and the news media.
>
I wasn't disputing it -- I was asking for a cite. It appears that you don't
have one.
In any case, let's suppose it is true, and also that a significant
proportion of these stolen handguns are stolen from private collectors as
opposed to gun stores. So what? Is it your contention that banning private
citizens from owning handguns in private collections will have a material
effect on the number of criminals obtaining handguns? On the face of it,
that seems rather unlikely.
Cheers,
Jennifer
Larry Stowell
AZX wrote:
> Larry Stowell l.spam....@sympatico.ca wrote:
>
> >The black lady whose brother was murdered with a hand gun told all of
> >Canada on TV that people were not going to turn in their hand guns.
> >
>
> Who? Street gangs? This isn't about street gangs, it's about a major
> source of illegal weapons on the street; handguns stolen from collections,
> guns that serve no other purpose than to be played with by their owners or
> stolen and used in crimes. Why are you trying to cloud the issue with
> irrelevant shit? What does her opinion matter? What are her qualifications?
> Judging from her comments, she's clueless when it comes to understanding this
> proposed law because it deals with one of the sources of criminally used
> handguns, not the thugs which are a completely different matter and to be
> dealt with separately.
>
> I get the feeling that you're just spewing what ever garbage comes into your
> head about this issue because you haven't a big enough brain to understand
> what's going on.
You in turn sound like a bitter liberal because this one little girl's summed up
your leaders plan as BS and just an exercise in grandstanding.
>
>
> Not only that, but your racist remarks make you look like more of an
> illiterate right wing slob than you already appeared to be before.+
If calling a spade a spade is racist then I am guilty of calling a spade a spade.
>
>
> >
> >Drunk drivers kill far more people then people with handguns. Why allow
> >people to drink or to drive cars when clearly they are far more dangerous
> >then guns.
> >
>
> Because automobiles serve a purpose, guns don't. You can't even get the
> usual NRA rhetorical bull shit right, better bone up if you want to be a
> 'merican.
>
I was not talking about banning cars but rather banning booze. Cars , like guns,
do not kill. The people operating them do.
Leo J Callaghan
<liberala...@program.pc.ca> wrote:
>On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 20:28:26 GMT, leo_ca...@telus.net (Leo J
>Callaghan) wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 15:00:54 -0500, E. Barry Bruyea
>><liberala...@program.pc.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 13:13:04 -0500, Larry Stowell
>>><l.spam....@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Leo J Callaghan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> >>Gun control isn't about crime. It's not even about guns.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>It's about control.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >And why do you say that? It sounds like more self righteous NRA clap trap.
>>>>> >The same morons who keep calling a 1 year anomaly in Canadian violent crime
>>>>> >statistics "a trend" for the sake of their pro-gun agenda.
>>>>>
>>>>> then you'd agree that the same morons who jabber about one hot summer
>>>>> correlating to global warming are wrong too then. glad we have that
>>>>> cleared up.
>>>>>
>>>>> fyi in canada the nra is not on our radar other than when the cbc
>>>>> plays 'that' clip from mike mooreons anti-repub screed (the one about
>>>>> guns, not the other one) where chuck h rails about his cold hands.
>>>>> (chuck needs mittens with a trigger finger).
>>>>>
>>>>> what this is about firstly is political grandstanding during an
>>>>> election. we have a mangificent $2B+++ platininum and diamond
>>>>> encrusted gun registry. the cost was originally projected to be <$2m
>>>>> and would pay for itself. well, the fella who said that is now
>>>>> fittingly the canadian amabassador to the un. he also used ta be the
>>>>> health minister. his greasy fingerprints are all over cock-ups, dearly
>>>>> paid for by me and my fellow sufferers. secondly this is about banning
>>>>> a thing that is already banned. see point 1. this is also pure bs as
>>>>> any canadian knows.
>>>>>
>>>>> there is no pro-grun agenda in canada. there is the the lawful gun
>>>>> owners and therer are gangstas killing each other and civillians
>>>>> caught in the crossfire using guns smuggled into canada. the us is the
>>>>> source of handguns. there is no other place. we have an american
>>>>> problem plaguing canada. no thanks.
>>>>
>>>>Great post!!
>>>
>>>
>>>Only if you believe every damn problem Canada has is created by the
>>>Americans.
>>>
>>
>>this one is. where else are the guns coming from?
>>
>>and i can hardly be accused of american bashing. the spade is a spade.
>>
>>do you have info that suggests the guns are not coming from the us? if
>>not, where?
>
>
>So, what if they are? Is it the Americans fault we have a sieve for
>a border? That many of the 85 border crossing points in Canada don't
>operate 24 hours a day? That Canada doesn't have nearly enough coast
>guard vessels on the Great Lakes? Just today a resident of Cornwall
>says that a few years ago the RCMP who were stationed there to stop
>cigarette smuggling have been withdrawn, but the smuggling continues
>unabated. Wanna bet that those boats crossing the river don't just
>have cigarettes on board? Notwithstanding any of this, there are many
>European countries who are large exporters of handguns, specifically,
>the Czech Republic & Austria. You can find these weapons legally for
>sale in Canadian Gun Stores, so, if they can come in legally, they can
>come in illegally.
>
pot goes south
guns and coke comes north
so what if they are means something. the guns will take the shortest
route to the buyer. not via spain or something else.
funny how this thread has gone wierd.
Leo J Callaghan
wrong end of the stick. that is where they go. they also go to
vancouver.
http://www.paraord.com/pages/dealers.html
check again on the list of dealers in canada. one. so that is where
they are all coming from!!
you are usually a voice or reason but you are so wrong here. consider
yourself 'calibrated'. filtering may be applied at some time in the
future as warranted
Leo J Callaghan
<liberala...@program.pc.ca> wrote:
>>this one is. where else are the guns coming from?
>>
Bert Hyman
(Leo J Callaghan) wrote:
> you are usually a voice or reason but you are so wrong here. consider
> yourself 'calibrated'. filtering may be applied at some time in the
> future as warranted
Your "gun" problem is really a criminal problem. Your guns come from all
over the world and are brought into your country by criminals for use by
other criminals.
You'll get just as far blaming the US for your crime problem as the US has
in blaming Columbia for our drug problem.
You're free to ignore the real world and me if we make you uncomfortable.
Good luck.
Leo J Callaghan
oh give it up.
chicken/egg... guns don't kill people/.......
the guns come from the closest source. the us.
Larry Stowell
"E. Barry Bruyea" wrote:
> On 9 Dec 2005 06:17:02 +0800, a...@hotmail.com (AZX) wrote:
>
> >Jennifer Wainwright JenniferW...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>Could you provide a cite for your statistics?
> >
> >Read on in this thread. Law enforcement sources (Metro Police Services for
> >one) make this claim using guns recovered from crimes and traced back to
> >their owners after they were reported stolen. That will have to suffice
> >unless you want to dispute it further and take it up with Metro Police
> >Services and the news media.
>
> The police have never officially announced stats on the origin of
> stolen handguns and where/how they were used. You've been
> conned...again. They are using the same propaganda they used to get
> Bill 68 passed, by giving the great unwashed the impression that
> anyone, anytime, could walk into a store, buy a handgun and walk out.
> Alan Rock et al used this approach while criss-crossing Canada
> "Explaining" the bill.
You speak of the origin of stolen hand guns. However that seems a pretty useless
statistic since we have no way of knowing what proportion of illegal guns in
circulation are bought or stolen. We can tell what proportion of stolen guns
are from dealers , collectors and individuals but without knowing how many guns
are illegally imported no one can say what proportion of illegal guns in
circulation are illegally imported or stolen from A. B. or C
How could anyone really know? No one keeps track of the true numbers of
illegally imported guns because they do not know.
Dennis G.
>Booze kills far more people then guns ever did but the Martins of this
>world look the other way for fear of the backlash, besides it's easier to
>punish farmers and hunters.
Have you lost track of the discussion entirely? No one has ever grabbed a kid on
a downtown street and forced booze on him till he died instantly.
Try to stay on track.
D
Toddly
Dennis G. wrote:
And banning guns won't stop criminals from acting out.
Dennis G.
From:
http://www.guncontrol.ca/Content/FirearmsMisuse.html
Cites
<begin quote>
Sources of Firearms Misused and Recovered in Crime
The sources of illicit firearms vary from region to region but one thing is
clear: most illegal firearms begin as legal firearms.(W. Cukier and S
Shropshire. 2000a. "Firearm Regulation." In Lora Lumpe, ed. Running Guns:The
Global Black Market in Small Arms. London: Zed Books. W. Cukier, T Sarkar and T
Quigley. 2000b. "Firearms Regulation and International Jurisprudence." Canadian
Criminal Law Review. December.)
<end quote>
And also:
<begin quote>
Some examples of the ways in which firearms can "leak" from legal shipments into
"illicit" markets include:
On May 2, 2000 authorities laid charges in what they believed to be a large
international smuggling operation. Over 23,000 firearms and their components
were seized after a clerk alerted her supervisor to the registration of over
1,000 firearms by a single owner. Canadian and US police laid charges in the
case in which individuals allegedly attempted to illegally export more than
1,200 fully assembled Garand M1s along with over 20,000 rifle components from
Canada to the US. Some weapons and components appeared to have been mislabelled
as auto parts. The investigation has gained international recognition for
Canada’s gun registration laws.
A Montreal area import/export company (Century International Arms) has
frequently announced the theft of thousands of prohibited and restricted weapons
- after police arrested individuals using them in the commission of a crime.
Since 1988, 26 separate incidents of theft, loss or disappearance of guns were
reported in connection with Century I.A. In March of 1994, a shipment of 2,000
Chinese Norinko AK-47s headed for Century I.A. were confiscated at the American
border because they had been declared as hunting rifles.
One criminal investigation, "Operation Pinball", uncovered an extensive network
of "law abiding" gun owners without previous criminal records who were buying
guns legally and selling them illegally. Over 2,000 firearms were seized and a
dozen arrests were made in one of the largest seizures in Canadian history.
<end quote>
And please remember this is an old site. The situation isbelieved to be much
worse now but research and reports take time to get caught up.
Dennis
Dennis G.
>On 9 Dec 2005 06:17:02 +0800, a...@hotmail.com (AZX) wrote:
>
>>Jennifer Wainwright JenniferW...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Could you provide a cite for your statistics?
>>
>>Read on in this thread. Law enforcement sources (Metro Police Services for
>>one) make this claim using guns recovered from crimes and traced back to
>>their owners after they were reported stolen. That will have to suffice
>>unless you want to dispute it further and take it up with Metro Police
>>Services and the news media.
>
>The police have never officially announced stats on the origin of
>stolen handguns and where/how they were used. You've been
>conned...again. They are using the same propaganda they used to get
>Bill 68 passed, by giving the great unwashed the impression that
>anyone, anytime, could walk into a store, buy a handgun and walk out.
>Alan Rock et al used this approach while criss-crossing Canada
>"Explaining" the bill.
Dennis G.
Dennis G.
Obviously you do not understand the issue is about killing with guns.
Did Fabrikant kill women using his bare hands?
Did the RCMP die in Mayerthorpe when attcked by a man with a knife?
Did Masry die in Vancouver because a man hit him with a baseball bat?
Dennis
Dennis G.
>And you believe in Fairy Tales? There are no police stats that back
>this up in any jurisdiction in Canada. They keep repeating one single
>case where guns were stolen in Toronto and one of them was used in a
>crime; if the liberals had more, they would have used it today..they
>didn't.
See:
http://www.guncontrol.ca/Content/default-english.htm
Dennis G.
>Finally someone who gets the picture or message. No amount of legislation or
>anything else for that matter is going to stop all evil doing totally. In
>the case of drunken drivers the ones who get caught are by and large the
>same ones over and over.
Don't you think that if the penalty for drunk driving was the permanent
confiscation of the automobile it would seriopusly discourage drunk driving/
Don't you think people who lost one car would have a hard time getting a second?
I think I will forward your ideas to MADD.
Dennis
tyreen...@hotmail.com
Dennis G. wrote:
> See:
> http://www.guncotrol.ca/Content/default-english.htm
Dennis why are you quoting shit written by Wendy Cukier ?
She's a horrible,ultra-feminist WHITE MALE HATER!
She HATES white men!
How do I know this is true?
Because I knew a young woman who took some of Cukier's courses years
ago at Ryerson College ,and she said it was a non stop slagfest against
MEN!
Furthermore Wendy Cukier wasn't born in Canada,and she's setting the
Gun Laws by which we are all supposed to live?
Guns have been freely available in Canada for FIVE HUNDRED years which
is 460 years LONGER than anybody named Cukier ever set foot on our
shores!
These gun laws are being made to ATTACK white men.
90 percent of all legal gun owners in Canada are white males,5 percent
are aboriginals(which by the way aren't TOUCHED by the gun laws),and
the other 5 percent are women and people of colour.
Yet 90 percent of gun crimes across Canada are being committed by
people of colour and nobody says anything about it.
They just pass MORE and MORE stupid gun laws that do absolutely nothing
to stop crime and do everything to fuck up the WHITE MAN.
Larry Stowell
"Dennis G." wrote:
Can't you grasp even the simplest of comparisons. Like why not ban smoking long
before banning speeding it kills far more people then speeding. Why not ban speeding
before banning guns, it kills far more people then guns.
Where did you drag the kid argument out of,,,, your ass? The booze comment relates
to the numbers murdered by drunk drivers. Perhaps you little mind could not make
that connection. Oh well!
Larry Stowell
"Dennis G." wrote:
> >> The police have never officially announced stats on the origin of
> >> stolen handguns and where/how they were used. You've been
> >> conned...again. They are using the same propaganda they used to get
> >> Bill 68 passed, by giving the great unwashed the impression that
> >> anyone, anytime, could walk into a store, buy a handgun and walk out.
> >> Alan Rock et al used this approach while criss-crossing Canada
> >> "Explaining" the bill.
> >
> >You speak of the origin of stolen hand guns. However that seems a pretty useless
> >statistic since we have no way of knowing what proportion of illegal guns in
> >circulation are bought or stolen. We can tell what proportion of stolen guns
> >are from dealers , collectors and individuals but without knowing how many guns
> >are illegally imported no one can say what proportion of illegal guns in
> >circulation are illegally imported or stolen from A. B. or C
> >
> >How could anyone really know? No one keeps track of the true numbers of
> >illegally imported guns because they do not know.
>
> See:
> http://www.guncontrol.ca/Content/default-english.htm
That's the largest assortment of liberal orchestrated bullshit that I have ever seen.
Larry Stowell
"Dennis G." wrote:
I'll by your argument. It's a good one.
I just want to know why the liberals want to confiscate everyone's car because you
drive yours in a drunken state and kill a bus load of children.
I just want to know why the liberals want to register everyone's long guns at a cost
of two billion sorely needed health dollars just because you go into the Ecole
Polytechnique and kill 14 women.
I just want to know why the liberals want to confiscate everyone's hand guns because
a bunch of kids in drug gangs in Toronto are killing each other?
I don't drive my car drunk.
I don't shoot women in Montreal
I don't belong to Toronto drug gangs and go around with illegal guns killing anyone.
Jesus Crist ! I have done nothing wrong! Why do you want to punish me. ( and all the
rest of Canada)
Punish the fucking idiots that are breaking our laws.
I think you and the liberals are morons. (and crooks!)
notritenoteri
we'd really love to ignore USA but we can't. Unfortunately we are welded at
the hip we need each other. Its just the way things are. Unfortunately we
are the mouse and USA is the elephant
"Bert Hyman" <be...@iphouse.com> wrote in message
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Len McLaughlin
> Ralph Pippey pip...@nbnet.nb.ca wrote:
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>>The handgun ban will only save us from the law-abiding criminals. How
>>can it possibly work anywhere near 100%? 50%? 25%? 5%?
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> Are you unaware that many handguns used in shootings (up to 50% according
> to
> law enforcement sources)are stolen from collections during break-ins, or
> are
> you just playing dense?
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I suspect that 50% is a figment of somebody's imagination but even if true
, does it make any difference in the real world.
It's been the history of law breakers, that when one source of a commodity
dries up, they simply find another.
Hand guns for example can be manufactured in somebody's garage, re the old
Saturday night special.
It's been the same with booze , drugs, women, etc. Shut down a marijuana
grow and another starts up.
The politicians have to address the root cause and instead they're making it
worst, even if only by dithering..
Of course, when the bad guys know that all law abiding citizens have been
disarmed, they'll only need a baseball bat and they can expand their
operations...into you home.
I have friends that go to Trinidad for holidays and stay in private homes,
all with barred windows. THAT is Canada's future if the Liberals continue to
have their way.
-lm
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> them to be disabled to be kept.
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"E. Barry Bruyea" wrote:
> That site is like trying to find out the truth about the liberals on
> their own party site.
Isn't that the most self serving piece of liberal bullshit you ever saw! And
it's funny that our very own local liberal apologist; "Dennis" is the only
one of us that knew of it's existence.
Dennis is,,, without a doubt is one of those fucking liberal propaganda
writers. Ha ha ha
Bought and paid for with our own (probably adscam) dollars!
Your busted Dennice
Bert Hyman
news:4398d509....@news.gv.shawcable.net:
> the guns come from the closest source. the us.
And where do your criminal gun users come from?
Leo J Callaghan
>leo_ca...@telus.net (Leo J Callaghan) wrote in
>news:4398d509....@news.gv.shawcable.net:
>
>> the guns come from the closest source. the us.
>
>And where do your criminal gun users come from?
mostly jamaica.
Dennis G.
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>"Dennis G." wrote:
>
>> Larry Stowell <l.spam....@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>> >Booze kills far more people then guns ever did but the Martins of this
>> >world look the other way for fear of the backlash, besides it's easier to
>> >punish farmers and hunters.
>>
>> Have you lost track of the discussion entirely? No one has ever grabbed a kid on
>> a downtown street and forced booze on him till he died instantly.
>>
>> Try to stay on track.
>>
>> D
>
>Can't you grasp even the simplest of comparisons. Like why not ban smoking long
>before banning speeding it kills far more people then speeding. Why not ban speeding
>before banning guns, it kills far more people then guns.
>
Comparisons need to make sense Larry. The discussion is about deaths caused by
guns. Has anyone ever grabbed a kid on a To street and smoked him to death?
>
>Where did you drag the kid argument out of,,,, your ass? The booze comment relates
>to the numbers murdered by drunk drivers. Perhaps you little mind could not make
>that connection. Oh well!
>
There is no connection between deaths caused by drunk drivers and deaths caused
by guns except in the sense of comparable modes of mortality. Obviously, there
are unjust deaths by many causes. Each one of them needs to be addressed with
appropriate strategies to reduce those deaths.
One such appropriate strategy is to remove handguns from society to effectively
reduce mortality from that mode.
Dennis
Dennis G.
>Don't like to read facts?
LOL.
How is the gun fairy today?
D
Dennis G.
>
>Dennis G. wrote:
>
>> See:
>> http://www.guncotrol.ca/Content/default-english.htm
>
>Dennis why are you quoting shit written by Wendy Cukier ?
>
>She's a horrible,ultra-feminist WHITE MALE HATER!
>
>She HATES white men!
>
>How do I know this is true?
>
>Because I knew a young woman who took some of Cukier's courses years
>ago at Ryerson College ,and she said it was a non stop slagfest against
>MEN!
>
>Furthermore Wendy Cukier wasn't born in Canada,and she's setting the
>Gun Laws by which we are all supposed to live?
>
Dislike of a person would not affect my consideration of that persons arguments.
If you were semi-literate you would have noted that the web page was offered as
source for factual information in the way of studies.
However, your comments mean that what you believe to be true is determined by
who says it more that by what is said or how solid the factual evidence is.
That being the case, I see no reason to read the rest of your post. By your own
statement and rational above, you are one who puts belief before reason.
Good luck with your gun fairy beliefs. They will not save one citizen from a gun
death.
Dennis
Dennis G.
>On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 03:38:22 GMT, Dennis G. <deg...@telus.net> wrote:
>
>That site is like trying to find out the truth about the liberals on
>their own party site.
Did you notice the references to studies in journals? Or did your belief in the
gun fairy cloud your vision?
The facts are referenced on that page nto research studies. You reject them
because they do not conform to your beliefs.
D
Dennis G.
The site contains references to research with replicable facts. That is what
this thread was asking for.
The unified response of my opponents in the discussion is that the research is
wrong.
Real mature thinkers I am battling here!
LOL!
Dennis
Dennis G.
>I have friends that go to Trinidad for holidays and stay in private homes,
>all with barred windows. THAT is Canada's future if the Liberals continue to
>have their way.
>-lm
Your implying that Trinidad is free of guns so people have to bar their windows
?
That is funny !
Dennis