On Wed, 8 Feb 2023 10:30:20 -0800, Alan says...
> > Name ONE President who has never lied.
>
> False equivalence.
No, it's not.
> There is no president who ever told as many substantial lies as Trump.
Really? (see below)
Name Trump's "substantial" lie(s). Lies that actually have impacts and
repercussions or consequences. Covid crap? MOST of what he said, turned out to
be true.
There are PLENTY of Obama lies I can post, that DID have repercussions, but
I'll only list a few. They sure beat the hell out of Trump's, "I have 234 blue
marbles", when you and the media whined, "NO... it was 233!!"
Substantial like, "If you like your doctor..." and "If you like your plan"?
Substantial like, "There is no spying on Americans."
Substantial with repercussions:
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/365393-
how-quickly-ny-times-forgets-obamas-lies-and-frauds/
How quickly NY Times forgets Obama's lies and frauds
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Obama's Biggest Whoppers
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/01/19/obamas-biggest-
whoppers/
To keep it simple, we have shortened the quotes in the headlines. To read the
full column, click on the link embedded in the quote.
"More young black men languish in prison than attend colleges and universities
across America"
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-
checker/2007/10/young_black_males_headed_for_e_1.html?itid=lk_inline_manual_7
This was a 2007 campaign claim by Obama, then a senator, that was wildly off
the mark. In reality, there are five times more black men enrolled in colleges
and universities than young black men in federal and state prisons - and two
and half times the total number incarcerated (including local jails). Even if
you expanded the age group to include African American males up to 30 or 35,
the college attendees would still outnumber the prisoners.
"We signed into law the biggest middle-class tax cut in history"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/obamas-whopper-of-a-
claim-on-tax-cuts/2011/09/06/gIQAmL2h7J_blog.html?utm_term=.179da2e954de
This 2011 claim was not based on a dollar figure but on dubious math - that
supposedly 95 percent of working families received some kind of tax cut under
the Making Work Pay provision in Obama's stimulus bill. John F. Kennedy
actually wins the prize for biggest tax cut, at least in the last half-century.
By the same measure, the income tax provisions of George W. Bush tax cuts were
more than twice as large as Obama's tax cut over the same three-year time span.
(While a large portion of Bush's tax cut went to the wealthy, it also benefited
the working poor.)
"90 percent of the budget deficit is due to George W. Bush's policies"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/obamas-claim-that-90-
percent-of-the-current-deficit-is-due-to-bush-policies/2012/09/26/e9bfbcd0-
077e-11e2-a10c-fa5a255a9258_blog.html?utm_term=.bcebdac7793e
During the 2012 campaign, Obama repeatedly reminded voters that he became
president during a grim economic crisis. But he went too far when he claimed
that only 10 percent of the federal deficit was due to his own policies. About
half of the deficit stemmed from the recession and forecasting errors, but a
large chunk (44 percent in 2011) were the result of Obama's actions. At another
point, Obama also falsely suggested that the Bush tax cuts led to the Great
Recession.
"If you like your health-care plan, you can keep it"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2013/10/30/obamas-pledge-
that-no-one-will-take-away-your-health-plan/?utm_term=.b395cd0a343d
This memorable promise by Obama backfired on him in 2013 when the Affordable
Care Act went into effect and at least 2 million Americans started receiving
cancellation notices. As we explained, part of the reason for so many
cancellations is because of an unusually early (March 23, 2010) cutoff date for
grandfathering plans - and because of tight regulations written by the
administration. So the uproar could be pinned directly on the administration's
own actions.
"The Capitol Hill janitors just got a pay cut"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/sequester-spin-obamas-
incorrect-claim-of-capitol-janitors-receiving-a-pay-cut/2013/03/01/3407535c-
82a9-11e2-b99e-6baf4ebe42df_blog.html?utm_term=.df25234f29da
President Obama offered an evocative image at a 2013 news conference when the
sequester spending cuts struck the federal budget - janitors sweeping the empty
halls of the Capitol, laboring for less pay. But it turned out that he was
completely wrong. Janitorial staff did not face a pay cut - and Capitol Hill
administrative officials even issued a statement saying the president's remarks
were "not true." Then the White House tried to argue that janitors at least
faced a loss of overtime. That was not correct either. The episode was
emblematic of the administration's overheated rhetoric during the sequester
debate.
"The day after Benghazi happened, I acknowledged that this was an act of
terrorism"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/obamas-claim-he-called-
benghazi-an-act-of-terrorism/2013/05/13/7b65b83e-bc14-11e2-97d4-a479289a31f9
_blog.html?utm_term=.e3780d4a7285
Obama did refer to an "act of terror" in the immediate aftermath of the 2012
Benghazi attacks, but in vague terms, wrapped in a patriotic fervor. He never
affirmatively stated that the American ambassador died because of an "act of
terror." Then, over a period of two weeks, given three opportunities in
interviews to affirmatively agree that the Benghazi attack was a terrorist
attack, the president obfuscated or ducked the question. So this was a case of
taking revisionist history too far for political reasons.
"I didn't call the Islamic State a "JV" team"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2014/09/03/spinning-obamas-
reference-to-isis-as-a-jv-team/?utm_term=.35b8a52adab9
In 2014, Obama repeated a claim, crafted by the White House communications
team, that he was not "specifically" referring to the Islamic State terror
group when he dismissed the militants who had taken over Fallujah as a "JV
squad." But The Fact Checker obtained the previously unreleased transcript of
the president's interview with the New Yorker, and it's clear that's who the
president was referencing.
"Republicans have filibustered 500 pieces of legislation"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2014/05/09/four-pinocchios-
for-obamas-claim-that-republicans-have-filibustered-about-500-pieces-of-
legislation/?utm_term=.8049a902f7bb
Obama, a former senator, got quite a few things wrong in this 2014 claim. He
spoke of legislation that would help the middle class, but he was counting
cloture votes that mostly involved judicial and executive branch nominations.
Moreover, he counted all the way back to 2007, meaning he even included votes
in which he, as senator, voted against ending debate - the very thing he
decried in his remarks. At best, he could claim the Republicans had blocked
about 50 bills, meaning he was off by a factor of 10.
"The Keystone pipeline is for oil that bypasses the United States"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/03/02/obamas-claim-
that-keystone-xl-oil-bypasses-the-u-s-earns-four-pinocchios/?
utm_term=.341c2da3f9aa
Long before Obama killed the Keystone pipeline project in 2015, he made a
number of dubious claims about it, including that the pipeline would have no
benefit for American producers at all. But the crude oil would have traveled to
the Gulf Coast, where it would be refined into products such as motor gasoline
and diesel fuel; the State Department said odds were low that all would be
exported. Also, about 12 percent of the pipeline's capacity had been set aside
for crude from North Dakota and Montana.
"We have fired a whole bunch of people who are in charge of these [VA]
facilities"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/10/12/obamas-claim-a-
whole-bunch-of-people-who-are-in-charge-of-va-facilities-were-fired-over-wait-
times/?utm_term=.8c9b6d58f99a
Obama in 2016 misled the public about the number of people held accountable for
the 2014 scandal over manipulated wait-time data at the Department of Veterans
Affairs, which contributed to patient deaths. Congress responded by passing a
law that sped up disciplinary actions for senior executive service employees.
But when Obama made his statement in September, only one senior executive had
been removed for a case involving wait time (though the actual firing was for
an ethics violation).