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Anonymous

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May 8, 2004, 11:26:25 PM5/8/04
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Less actually. In fact, a LOT less. 300,000 according to the Red Cross and they might well have known.
They had access where other people did not. The list omits at least Theresienstadt and Ravensbruek.

One might ask why this paper did not surface while the Jews were screwing the Swiss banks but it is interesting none the less.


http://www.overthrow.com/lsn/news.asp?articleID=7160

Dennis G.

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May 9, 2004, 7:28:55 PM5/9/04
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"The Enlightenment" <bern...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

>
>"Ernest" <dea...@bywaterDE1SPAM.net.au> wrote in message
>news:t0tr90h97e95jodn3...@4ax.com...

>> The Red Cross did NOT have access to all the
>> German concentration camps
>
>Credible revisionists do not have access to the camps now so does that
>make matters even?
>
>
>****
>Auschwitz is down from 4 million deaths to about 800,000 now
>(officially). Even the Polish president reduced it to 1.5 million
>nearly 20 years ago.
>The balance transferred to other camps to make up the 6 million turn
>out in some camps clearly too small to have handled anywhere near that
>many numbers.
>Modern radar techniques shows that mass graves or ash repositories
>turn out to be undisturbed areas. Trenches in which bodies were
>burned turn out to be swampy and water logged. Photos of bodies with
>Nazis turn out to be doctored Russian photos.
>
>Sure people died and were killed in considerable numbers in those
>camps. The "Holohype Industry" will however go to enormous lengths to
>slander, sue and criminalise anyone who wants to get to the truth
>anyone that might dilute their moral leverage and gravy train.
>
>Where else can we see those doctored photos but on revisionist web
>sites?
>
>
>


This document is also available in Spanish and Swedish.
When speaking about the "Holocaust," what time period are we referring to?
How many Jews were murdered during the Holocaust?
How many non-Jewish civilians were murdered during World War II?
Which Jewish communities suffered losses during the Holocaust?
How many Jews were murdered in each country and what percentage of the pre-war
Jewish population did they constitute?
What is a death camp? How many were there? Where were they located?
What does the term "Final Solution" mean and what is its origin?
When did the "Final Solution" actually begin?
How did the Germans define who was Jewish?
How did the Germans treat those who had some Jewish blood but were not
classified as Jews?
What were the first measures taken by the Nazis against the Jews?
Did the Nazis plan to murder the Jews from the beginning of their regime?
When was the first concentration camp established and who were the first
inmates?
Which groups of people in Germany were considered enemies of the state by the
Nazis and were, therefore, persecuted?
What was the difference between the persecution of the Jews and the persecution
of other groups classified by the Nazis as enemies of the Third Reich?
Why were the Jews singled out for extermination?
What did people in Germany know about the persecution of Jews and other enemies
of Nazism?
Did all Germans support Hitler's plan for the persecution of the Jews?
Did the people of occupied Europe know about Nazi plans for the Jews? What was
their attitude? Did they cooperate with the Nazis against the Jews?
Did the Allies and the people in the Free World know about the events going on
in Europe?
What was the response of the Allies to the persecution of the Jews? Could they
have done anything to help?
Who are the "Righteous Among the Nations"?
Were Jews in the Free World aware of the persecution and destruction of European
Jewry and, if so, what was their response?
Did the Jews in Europe realize what was going to happen to them?
How many Jews were able to escape from Europe prior to the Holocaust?
What efforts were made to save the Jews fleeing from Germany before World War II
began?
Why were so few refugees able to flee Europe prior to the outbreak of World War
II?
What was Hitler's ultimate goal in launching World War II?
Was there any opposition to the Nazis within Germany?
Did the Jews try to fight against the Nazis? To what extent were such efforts
uccessful?
What was the Judenrat?
Did international organizations, such as the Red Cross, aid victims of Nazi
persecution?
How did Germany's allies, the Japanese and the Italians, treat the Jews in the
lands they occupied?
What was the attitude of the churches vis-a-vis the persecution of the Jews? Did
the Pope ever speak out against the Nazis?
How many Nazi criminals were there? How many were brought to justice?
What were the Nuremberg Trials?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/resources/questions/#2
<begin quote>
1. When speaking about the "Holocaust," what time period are we referring to?

Answer: The "Holocaust" refers to the period from January 30, 1933, when Hitler
became Chancellor of Germany, to May 8, 1945 (V-E Day), the end of the war in
Europe.

2. How many Jews were murdered during the Holocaust?

Answer: While it is impossible to ascertain the exact number of Jewish victims,
statistics indicate that the total was over 5,860,000. Six million is the round
figure accepted by most authorities.

3. How many non-Jewish civilians were murdered during World War II?

Answer: While it is impossible to ascertain the exact number, the recognized
figure is approximately 5,000,000. Among the groups which the Nazis and their
collaborators murdered and persecuted were: Gypsies, Serbs, Polish
intelligentsia, resistance fighters from all the nations, German opponents of
Nazism, homosexuals, Jehovah's Witnesses, habitual criminals, and the
"anti-social," e.g. beggars, vagrants, and hawkers.
<end quote>


Dennis

Werner Knoll

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May 10, 2004, 1:45:27 PM5/10/04
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Dennis G. <deg...@telus.net> wrote in message
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> "The Enlightenment" <bern...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>

> >Auschwitz is down from 4 million deaths to about 800,000 now
> >(officially). Even the Polish president reduced it to 1.5 million
> >nearly 20 years ago.
> >The balance transferred to other camps to make up the 6 million turn
> >out in some camps clearly too small to have handled anywhere near that
> >many numbers.
> >Modern radar techniques shows that mass graves or ash repositories
> >turn out to be undisturbed areas. Trenches in which bodies were
> >burned turn out to be swampy and water logged. Photos of bodies with
> >Nazis turn out to be doctored Russian photos.
> >
> >Sure people died and were killed in considerable numbers in those
> >camps. The "Holohype Industry" will however go to enormous lengths to
> >slander, sue and criminalise anyone who wants to get to the truth
> >anyone that might dilute their moral leverage and gravy train.
> >
> >Where else can we see those doctored photos but on revisionist web
> >sites?
> >

> Did international organizations, such as the Red Cross, aid victims of


Nazi
> persecution?
> How did Germany's allies, the Japanese and the Italians, treat the Jews
in the
> lands they occupied?
> What was the attitude of the churches vis-a-vis the persecution of the
Jews? Did
> the Pope ever speak out against the Nazis?
> How many Nazi criminals were there? How many were brought to justice?
> What were the Nuremberg Trials?
>


> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------
>
> From: http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/resources/questions/#2
> <begin quote>
> 1. When speaking about the "Holocaust," what time period are we
referring to?

>


> Answer: While it is impossible to ascertain the exact number, the
recognized
> figure is approximately 5,000,000. Among the groups which the Nazis and
their
> collaborators murdered and persecuted were: Gypsies, Serbs, Polish
> intelligentsia, resistance fighters from all the nations, German
opponents of
> Nazism, homosexuals, Jehovah's Witnesses, habitual criminals, and the
> "anti-social," e.g. beggars, vagrants, and hawkers.
> <end quote>
>
>
> Dennis


You forgot something...

Your Wiesenthal is now a "Knight Commander of the British Empire" My
newspaper says he was in 12 Nazi Concentration camps till he was
liberated.

How did he manage to do that?

Your answer please.

And...

"The Holocaust and "Nazi Horror".

Page 337 Guards forced women girls and boy's into prostitution. As
prisoners weakened from starvation, cold and disease, they too were
gassed. Inmate Sonderkommandos carted the corpses into crematoriums or
mass graves.

The bodies were used in the manufacture of goods: soap from human fat
and mattresses with stuffed with human hair.


"Our Lives & Times"

An Illustrated History
Copyright 2003 by Worldbook Publication ISBN 1-57215-372-5
Ask Harold Itzkowitz and Barbara G. Rosenkranz?

Ann Frank started her diary on her 13th birthday in June 1942. She and
here sister were send to Auschwitz first and than to Bergen Belsen where
both died on Typhus. Ann wrote her diary with a ballpoint pen? Where did
she get the pen from?

My book say's that ballpoint pens were not available till the mid
forties? Where did she get the pen from?


Werner Knoll


Dennis G.

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May 10, 2004, 9:08:48 PM5/10/04
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"Werner Knoll" <we...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>You forgot something...
>
>Your Wiesenthal is now a "Knight Commander of the British Empire" My
>newspaper says he was in 12 Nazi Concentration camps till he was
>liberated.
>

Is your newspaper one that you publish for your own use or what??

>How did he manage to do that?
>
>Your answer please.

To what question? You claim he was in 12 camps . Not me.

>
>And...
>
>"The Holocaust and "Nazi Horror".
>
>Page 337 Guards forced women girls and boy's into prostitution. As
>prisoners weakened from starvation, cold and disease, they too were
>gassed. Inmate Sonderkommandos carted the corpses into crematoriums or
>mass graves.
>
>The bodies were used in the manufacture of goods: soap from human fat
>and mattresses with stuffed with human hair.
>
>
>"Our Lives & Times"
>
>An Illustrated History
>Copyright 2003 by Worldbook Publication ISBN 1-57215-372-5
>Ask Harold Itzkowitz and Barbara G. Rosenkranz?
>
>Ann Frank started her diary on her 13th birthday in June 1942. She and
>here sister were send to Auschwitz first and than to Bergen Belsen where
>both died on Typhus. Ann wrote her diary with a ballpoint pen? Where did
>she get the pen from?
>
>My book say's that ballpoint pens were not available till the mid
>forties? Where did she get the pen from?
>

Perhaps you should correct your book?

"Her diary, saved during the war by one of the family’s helpers, Miep Gies, was
first published in 1947. Today, her diary has been translated into 67 languages
and is one of the most widely read books in the world."

http://www.annefrank.com/2_life_timeline_1.htm
>
Anne Frank died of typhus while in bergen-belsen at age 15. Her diary records
only the last two years of her life which was made horrendous by the Nazis.

Never again.

Dennis

Werner Knoll

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May 10, 2004, 10:48:12 PM5/10/04
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Dennis G. <deg...@telus.net> wrote in message
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> "Werner Knoll" <we...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >You forgot something...
> >
> >Your Wiesenthal is now a "Knight Commander of the British Empire" My
> >newspaper says he was in 12 Nazi Concentration camps till he was
> >liberated.
> >
> Is your newspaper one that you publish for your own use or what??

Deutsche Zeitung!

>
> >How did he manage to do that?
> >
> >Your answer please.
>
> To what question? You claim he was in 12 camps . Not me.

This report is from "NN" a news agency.

> >
> >And...
> >
> >"The Holocaust and "Nazi Horror".
> >
> >Page 337 Guards forced women girls and boy's into prostitution. As
> >prisoners weakened from starvation, cold and disease, they too were
> >gassed. Inmate Sonderkommandos carted the corpses into crematoriums or
> >mass graves.
> >
> >The bodies were used in the manufacture of goods: soap from human fat
> >and mattresses with stuffed with human hair.
> >
> >
> >"Our Lives & Times"
> >
> >An Illustrated History
> >Copyright 2003 by Worldbook Publication ISBN 1-57215-372-5
> >Ask Harold Itzkowitz and Barbara G. Rosenkranz?
> >
> >Ann Frank started her diary on her 13th birthday in June 1942. She and
> >here sister were send to Auschwitz first and than to Bergen Belsen
where
> >both died on Typhus. Ann wrote her diary with a ballpoint pen? Where
did
> >she get the pen from?
> >
> >My book say's that ballpoint pens were not available till the mid
> >forties? Where did she get the pen from?
> >
> Perhaps you should correct your book?

Worldbook Encyclopedia "P" page 209 John Loud of the United States
invented a ballpoint pen during the 1880's. But the first commercially
successful ballpoints were developed in the mid - 1940's. Marker pens were
introduced in 1951.


Where did she get the ballpoint pen from? :-))))
>

You should ask Harold Itzkowitz and Barbara G. Rosenkranz for more info?

> "Her diary, saved during the war by one of the family's helpers, Miep
Gies, was
> first published in 1947. Today, her diary has been translated into 67
languages
> and is one of the most widely read books in the world."
>
> http://www.annefrank.com/2_life_timeline_1.htm
> >
> Anne Frank died of typhus while in bergen-belsen at age 15. Her diary
records
> only the last two years of her life which was made horrendous by the
Nazis.
>
> Never again.
>
> Dennis
>

Why than were they shipped around the countryside?


Werner Knoll

Dennis G.

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May 11, 2004, 9:20:01 PM5/11/04
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"Werner Knoll" <we...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>Why than were they shipped around the countryside?


Who or what was shipped around the coountryside?

Dennis

Werner Knoll

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May 11, 2004, 10:17:24 PM5/11/04
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Dennis G. <deg...@telus.net> wrote in message
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Ann Frank and her sister.

She was send from Holland to Auschwitz in Poland and than across Germany
to Bergen - Belsen


Werner Knoll

Dennis G.

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May 12, 2004, 4:00:09 PM5/12/04
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"Werner Knoll" <we...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> Who or what was shipped around the coountryside?
>>
>> Dennis
>
>Ann Frank and her sister.
>
>She was send from Holland to Auschwitz in Poland and than across Germany
>to Bergen - Belsen
>
>
>Werner Knoll

I'm sorry to hear that. Those wicked Nazis!

Dennis

catchmerevisited

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May 15, 2004, 8:53:46 PM5/15/04
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in article M9Xnc.48884$U75.20280@edtnps89, Werner Knoll at we...@hotmail.com
wrote on 5/10/04 7:48 PM:

to settle the score, how many Prussians were killed by Stalin in his efforts
to drive out residents?
How many people today even know what Prussia was?
who today knows Kaliningrad was once proud coronation city of Prussia,
Koenigsberg?

who can remember that the discussion between Stalin and Roosevelt the
planning of this genocide prompted the retort by Churchill 'we slaughtered
the wrong pig?'

the us wanted to, by Hitler's own words, inherit Britains global dominance,
and Russia the Balkans- Britian merely wanted to keep her own piece of soil.
All of these "Allies" got what they wanted, whilst the people were largely
uninformed of these base motives.
Who lost out? My ancestors, of Prussian and Germanic descent.
The Truth, ignored for the sake of Jewish peoples, that genocide occurred on
both sides of the war, as well as concentration camps (the japanese and
Germasn living in Canada, and the US were placed in captivity, the
assumption being that just belonging to a race made you guilty of a crime
not [yet] committed)
Now the US exercising what was previously the British Empires concept of
Manifest Destiny, and we are to believe the United States are not the
aggresors the rest of the world sees them as, even fifty years ago?

Hartmann Schaffer

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May 16, 2004, 1:52:14 AM5/16/04
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In article <BCCC09A8.14E7B%catchmerev...@yahoo.ca>,
catchmerevisited <catchmerev...@yahoo.ca> writes:
> ...

> to settle the score, how many Prussians were killed by Stalin in his efforts
> to drive out residents?

what do you mean by "prussians"? the people who provided the name for
prussia or its injabitants? if the former, none

> How many people today even know what Prussia was?
> who today knows Kaliningrad was once proud coronation city of Prussia,
> Koenigsberg?

afaik, the answer to both questions are still well known

> ...


> the us wanted to, by Hitler's own words, inherit Britains global dominance,
> and Russia the Balkans- Britian merely wanted to keep her own piece of soil.

i would suggest that hitler's worldview was somewhat distorted

> ...


> Who lost out? My ancestors, of Prussian and Germanic descent.

prussian descent? can you trace your ancestry that far back?

> The Truth, ignored for the sake of Jewish peoples,

could you elaborate?

> that genocide occurred on
> both sides of the war,

i agree with you to the extent that war is, in a sense, always is a
form of genocide, but equating civilian casualities during and after
the war with the extermination policies of the nazis seems to be
stretching it a bit

> as well as concentration camps (the japanese and
> Germasn living in Canada, and the US were placed in captivity, the
> assumption being that just belonging to a race made you guilty of a crime
> not [yet] committed)

the internment of the japanese was a stupid mistake, a racist measure
inspired by fear (i am not aware that germans or italians were rounded
up, except probably in cases where there was a known sympathy with the
axis powers). their concentration camps were cruel. still, comparing
them to the nazi exermination camps is a distortion of od history

> ...

hs

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notritenoteri

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Depends on how far back you want to go. The city of Kitchener ON was called
Berlin before it was renamed during WWI. British borne people of German
ancestry were certainly rounded up and interred in camps during both WWI and
WWII in GB
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Hartmann Schaffer

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In article <Y_vqc.164$IA4....@newscontent-01.sprint.ca>,

"notritenoteri" <colda...@hades.com> writes:
> Depends on how far back you want to go. The city of Kitchener ON was called
> Berlin before it was renamed during WWI.

and german shepherds got renamed alsatians (freedom fries anyone?)

> British borne people of German
> ancestry were certainly rounded up and interred in camps during both WWI and
> WWII in GB

i wasn't aware of that

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