Drought ravaging crops in Alberta and Sask.
Chom Noamsky
calling it a disaster already.
Some people say more CO2 is good for plants... more makes them bigger and
greener. News flash for these people: plants don't consume any CO2 when
they are dead.
Canuck57
"Chom Noamsky" <po...@bbq.yum> wrote in message
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> Crops are dead any dying... losses could be in the billions... they are
> calling it a disaster already.
And in the dirty 30's with less CO2? Is this fear mongering? More farmer
bitching? Never heard a farmer be satisfied with the weather yet.
If anything, it has been cooler around here and cool air does not hold the
moisture of warm air. But one year does not make much of a hill of beans in
the big picture.
> Some people say more CO2 is good for plants... more makes them bigger and
> greener. News flash for these people: plants don't consume any CO2 when
> they are dead.
It is historically an absolute fact. The peek of plant life on earth is
coincided with 6 times the CO2 we have today. Huge contenental grass and
forrest fires, volcanic activity pumped CO2 all over. Much of which ended
up trapped in fossel fuels with use today.
The fact is, no CO2 is no life.
But plants trap CO2 when they are alive. Think, bury the remains and in
100M years it is oil or coal. Sooner if you want NG.
Kixi
Rain is forecast every day from now to Thursday in much of Alberta and
Saskatchewan.
I expect the title of this thread to be changed by Thursday.
10x
wrote:
There are not enought frost free days left for most crops to recover.
The rain is too late.
Rain in June would have made a world of difference.
Rain right now will not make any real difference for most crops.
Kixi
> Kixi wrote:
> > On Jul 4, 7:45 pm, "Chom Noamsky" <p...@bbq.yum> wrote:
> >> Crops are dead any dying... losses could be in the billions...
> >> they are calling it a disaster already.
>
> >> Some people say more CO2 is good for plants... more makes them
> >> bigger and greener. News flash for these people: plants don't
>
> > Rain is forecast every day from now to Thursday in much of Alberta
> > and Saskatchewan.
>
> > I expect the title of this thread to be changed by Thursday.
>
> have been behind on rain and snow fall for several years?
>
> If you paid attention, you would see that many of the crops are now
> dead and rain won't help.
No. I expect the title to change to something like Rain Salvages Crops
in Alberta and Sask.
10x
wrote:
>On Jul 5, 9:19�am, Nobody <n...@home.anymore> wrote:
There are not enough frost free days left for any crops to be
salvaged.
The only benefit will be that the crops that are salvaged can be used
as forage and fodder for livestock.
Too bad Penny isn't reading this....
Roy
>
> - Show quoted text -
You guys should quit picking on her...there are far worse than her on
this news group.
=
10x
wrote:
>On Jul 5, 8:32�ｿｽpm, Nobody <n...@home.anymore> wrote:
>> 10x wrote:
>> > On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 10:22:51 -0700 (PDT), Kixi
>> > <Kixi_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>On Jul 5, 9:19�ｿｽam, Nobody <n...@home.anymore> wrote:
>> >>> Kixi wrote:
>> >>> > On Jul 4, 7:45�ｿｽpm, "Chom Noamsky" <p...@bbq.yum> wrote:
>> >>> >> Crops are dead any dying... losses could be in the
>> >>> >> billions... they are calling it a disaster already.
>>
>> >>> >> Some people say more CO2 is good for plants... more makes
>> >>> >> them bigger and greener. �ｿｽNews flash for these people: plants
>> >>> >> don't consume any CO2 whe n they are dead.
>>
>> >>> > Rain is forecast every day from now to Thursday in much of
>> >>> > Alberta and Saskatchewan.
>>
>> >>> > I expect the title of this thread to be changed by Thursday.
>>
>> >>> So you think �ｿｽfour days of rain changes the fact that the
>> >>> provinces have been behind on rain and snow fall for several
>> >>> years?
>>
>> >>> If you paid attention, you would see that many of the crops are
>> >>> now dead and rain won't help.
>>
>> >>No. I expect the title to change to something like Rain Salvages
>> >>Crops in Alberta and Sask.
>>
>> > There are not enough frost free days left for any crops to be
>> > salvaged.
>> > The only benefit will be that the crops that are salvaged can be
>> > used as forage and fodder for livestock. �ｿｽ
>> > Too bad Penny isn't reading this....
>>
>> Penny is probably still hurting from the seal hunt.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>You guys should quit picking on her...there are far worse than her on
>this news group.
Klunk and Niseral are gone...
It was funny when the Governor General ate a raw seal heart and was
critisized by reports that probably feast on sushi when ever they
can...
DevilsPGD
<46df794b-1e00-4bae...@b14g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> Kixi
<Kixi...@hotmail.com> was claimed to have wrote:
>No. I expect the title to change to something like Rain Salvages Crops
>in Alberta and Sask.
If it does rain, call up the farmers complaining about too much rain
eroding the topsoil or some such complaints.
10x
And what month do farmers complain the least?
February - only 28 days...
Canuck57
"Nobody" <n...@home.anymore> wrote in message
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> Kixi wrote:
>
>> On Jul 4, 7:45 pm, "Chom Noamsky" <p...@bbq.yum> wrote:
>>> Crops are dead any dying... losses could be in the billions...
>>> they are calling it a disaster already.
>>>
>>> Some people say more CO2 is good for plants... more makes them
>>> bigger and greener. News flash for these people: plants don't
>>
>> Rain is forecast every day from now to Thursday in much of Alberta
>> and Saskatchewan.
>>
>> I expect the title of this thread to be changed by Thursday.
>
> have been behind on rain and snow fall for several years?
I have lived in Calgary since 1980. To me it seems like last winter we had
lots of snow, far above the 30 year average. But also, in the late spring
we didn't get the warmups that get those western thunder clouds a dumping.
Finally, a year we made it to spring without hail.
> If you paid attention, you would see that many of the crops are now
> dead and rain won't help.
Don't worry, they will bitch next week that they have too much water.
Chom Noamsky
> We just went though one of the coldest winters on record, and the
> coldest, driest spring on record. Things have now warmed up
> considerably and with the warmth has come rain.
That's what the science has been predicting... that as the climate warms the
continental interiors will become drier and colder.
10x
Please cite that xcience?
labatyd
"mastermind" <maste...@work.now> wrote in message
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>
>> "Voyager" <think...@dlcwest.com> wrote in message:
>> > We just went though one of the coldest winters on record, and the
>> > coldest, driest spring on record. Things have now warmed up
>> > considerably and with the warmth has come rain.
>
>> That's what the science has been predicting... that as the climate warms
>> the
>> continental interiors will become drier and colder.
>
>
>
You didn't spend winter on the prairies
penny
What do you expect! There's a consequence to developing the Tar Sands
where huge amounts of water are used to extract and upgrade the
bitumen to the filthiest oil on the planet.
Scientists have been warning for a long time that renewable supplies
of water in the Tar Sands and surrounding regions are being depleted
and will lead to drought .
Add to this the effects of global warming. The spring run-off from
the meltdown of the glaciers that feed the river systems is getting
less and less each year further depleting supplies of water.
The Athabasca River is down 30 per cent, while the Peace River is down
40 per cent. And while the world temperature has risen almost 1
degree celsius since the Industrial Revolution, the temperature in
Alberta hs risen 2 degrees celsius.
Why don't you Albertans pull your heads out of the oil and get with
it!
Read the following and weep !
http://www.tarsandswatch.org/files/Water%20Depletion.pdf
And when is Harper cancelling those massive Tar Sands Subsidies, the
visionless nincompoop !
Penny
he water in the Athatbasca River because of the huge amounts
used daily in producing the filthiest oil on the planet.
Add to this the run off from the glaciers is getting smaller each
year as the glaciers continue to melt so don't look there for a
continued replenishment of water sources in Alberta.
Roy
> On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 17:21:05 GMT, 10x <10x@teluös.net> wrote:
> >On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 08:35:33 -0700 (PDT), Kixi <Kixi_...@hotmail.com>
> >wrote:
>
> >>On Jul 4, 7:45 pm, "Chom Noamsky" <p...@bbq.yum> wrote:
> >>> Crops are dead any dying... losses could be in the billions... they are
> >>> calling it a disaster already.
>
> >>> Some people say more CO2 is good for plants... more makes them bigger and
> >>> greener. News flash for these people: plants don't consume any CO2 when
> >>> they are dead.
>
> >>Rain is forecast every day from now to Thursday in much of Alberta and
> >>Saskatchewan.
>
> >>I expect the title of this thread to be changed by Thursday.
>
> >The rain is too late.
> >Rain in June would have made a world of difference.
> >Rain right now will not make any real difference for most crops.
>
> What do you expect! There's a consequence to developing the Tar Sands
> where huge amounts of water are used to extract and upgrade the
> bitumen to the filthiest oil on the planet.
>
> Scientists have been warning for a long time that renewable supplies
> of water in the Tar Sands and surrounding regions are being depleted
> and will lead to drought .
>
> Add to this the effects of global warming. The spring run-off from
> the meltdown of the glaciers that feed the river systems is getting
> less and less each year further depleting supplies of water.
>
> The Athabasca River is down 30 per cent, while the Peace River is down
> 40 per cent. And while the world temperature has risen almost 1
> Alberta has risen 2 degrees Celsius.
>
> Why don't you Albertans pull your heads out of the oil and get with
> it!
>
> Read the following and weep !
>
> http://www.tarsandswatch.org/files/Water%20Depletion.pdf
>
> And when is Harper cancelling those massive Tar Sands Subsidies, the
>
> Penny
>
> he water in the Athabasca River because of the huge amounts
> used daily in producing the filthiest oil on the planet.
>
> Add to this the run off from the glaciers is getting smaller each
> year as the glaciers continue to melt so don't look there for a
>
> - Show quoted text -
The way our successive Alberta governments have mis-managed our oil.
natural gas AND water resources is tantamount to being criminal.
=
10x
wrote:
>
>> "Voyager" <think...@dlcwest.com> wrote in message:
>> > We just went though one of the coldest winters on record, and the
>> > coldest, driest spring on record. Things have now warmed up
>> > considerably and with the warmth has come rain.
>
>"Chom Noamsky" <po...@bbq.yum> wrote in message news:Q4L4m.33722$Db2.26517@edtnps83...
>> That's what the science has been predicting... that as the climate warms the
>> continental interiors will become drier and colder.
>
>Albertans don't believe in global warming. So let them drink oil.
Or after a few weeks of minus 40C they welcome global warming?
10x
>On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 17:21:05 GMT, 10x <10x@telu�s.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 08:35:33 -0700 (PDT), Kixi <Kixi...@hotmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Jul 4, 7:45�pm, "Chom Noamsky" <p...@bbq.yum> wrote:
>>>> Crops are dead any dying... losses could be in the billions... they are
>>>> calling it a disaster already.
>>>>
>>>> Some people say more CO2 is good for plants... more makes them bigger and
>>>> greener. �News flash for these people: plants don't consume any CO2 when
>>>> they are dead.
>>>
>>>Rain is forecast every day from now to Thursday in much of Alberta and
>>>Saskatchewan.
>>>
>>>I expect the title of this thread to be changed by Thursday.
>
>>
>>There are not enought frost free days left for most crops to recover.
>>The rain is too late.
>>Rain in June would have made a world of difference.
>>Rain right now will not make any real difference for most crops.
>
>
>
>What do you expect! There's a consequence to developing the Tar Sands
>where huge amounts of water are used to extract and upgrade the
>bitumen to the filthiest oil on the planet.
Nothing to do with the lack of rain in May, June, and July in other
parts of Alberta.
>Scientists have been warning for a long time that renewable supplies
>of water in the Tar Sands and surrounding regions are being depleted
>and will lead to drought .
Could you cite the science research that claimst that please?
>Add to this the effects of global warming. The spring run-off from
>the meltdown of the glaciers that feed the river systems is getting
>less and less each year further depleting supplies of water.
Once again, nothing to do with the lack of rain in May, June, and July
in Alberta.
>The Athabasca River is down 30 per cent, while the Peace River is down
>40 per cent. And while the world temperature has risen almost 1
>degree celsius since the Industrial Revolution, the temperature in
>Alberta hs risen 2 degrees celsius.
Where are you getting these numbers from. The flow on the Peace River
is controlled by the W.C. Bennet Dam. The flow on the Peace River is
pretty much stable all summer.
As for warmer weather in Alberta -it most certainly isn't warmer this
summer, or last winter for that matter.
>Why don't you Albertans pull your heads out of the oil and get with
>it!
>
>Read the following and weep !
>
>http://www.tarsandswatch.org/files/Water%20Depletion.pdf
Wow, made up statistics...
>And when is Harper cancelling those massive Tar Sands Subsidies, the
>visionless nincompoop !
The tar sands have been running without subsidies since oil topped
$35.00 a barrel.
What subsidies are you talking about?
>he water in the Athatbasca River because of the huge amounts
>used daily in producing the filthiest oil on the planet.
>
> Add to this the run off from the glaciers is getting smaller each
>year as the glaciers continue to melt so don't look there for a
>continued replenishment of water sources in Alberta.
The glaciers in Alberta and B.C. have been melting for the past 4500
years. And that is a problem.
10x
wrote:
>
>The way our successive Alberta governments have mis-managed our oil.
>natural gas AND water resources is tantamount to being criminal.
That is absolutely true! The natural resources of Alberta have been
managed for the benefit of big business and the govenrment - not the
citizens of Alberta or Canada for that matter.
Nobody-2
Global warming imho is just another political farce. Cripes, in the
70's we were warned about being on the verge of another ice age and yes,
after last winter on the praries I was starting to believe that was more
of the case. What a cold bitter winter that one was...
anarchore
> Crops are dead any dying... losses could be in the billions... they are
> calling it a disaster already.
>
> Some people say more CO2 is good for plants... more makes them bigger and
> greener. News flash for these people: plants don't consume any CO2 when
> they are dead.
Maybe turning vast swaths of Alberta into a desert has something to do
with it... blame CO2 if you want, we know you're stupid anyway.
Chom Noamsky
"10x" <10x@telu�s.net> wrote in message
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Disruption of the oceanic conveyor belts that bring warm water north and
take cold water south. When the warm water doesn't come north we freeze, as
we recently witnessed with the La Nina effect.
Chom Noamsky
news:F2S4m.25941$c82....@newsfe08.iad...
>
>> > We just went though one of the coldest winters on record, and the
>> > coldest, driest spring on record. Things have now warmed up
>> > considerably and with the warmth has come rain.
>
> news:Q4L4m.33722$Db2.26517@edtnps83...
>> the
>> continental interiors will become drier and colder.
>
When your income depends on an environmentally-destructive product then
naturally one turns to denialism. Just look at the the tobacco industry and
the CFC industry, they opposed any kind of regulation on those products and
claimed the world would come to an end if we controlled them. The only
thing that came to an end was their destruction-derived profits.
Chom Noamsky
news:4b009c84-55a5-4247...@y10g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
Maybe the Jews caused the drought?
10x
Please cite the link between La Nina and global warming?
10x
How do you know Alberta will turn into "vast swaths of desert".
Sceince has trouble predicting the weather three days in advance, let
alone years....
Chom Noamsky
But science is never deemed credible when it goes against belief. Look at
all the religious fundies who still deny evolution.
10x
Look at the climate history of Alberta as determined by science over
the past 25,000 years. There was a period between 10,000 and 4500
years ago when Alberta was much warmer than it is today. There is no
indication that there was much more desert then than there is
today.... There is evidence in soil samples that the grasslands
extened further north but not significantly further.
As for What Stockwell Day and and Steve Harper believe -t hey are
products of Ontario and got their education there.
Ralph Klein was one of the last surviving dinosaurs in Alberta and he
started out as a Libera. Go figure....
Nobody-2
Voyager wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> On Jul 8, 10:21 am, "Chom Noamsky" <p...@bbq.yum> wrote:
>
>>"mastermind" <masterm...@work.now> wrote in message
>>
>>news:F2S4m.25941$c82....@newsfe08.iad...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>"Voyager" <think.un...@dlcwest.com> wrote in message:
>>>>
>>>>>We just went though one of the coldest winters on record, and the
>>>>>coldest, driest spring on record. Things have now warmed up
>>>>>considerably and with the warmth has come rain.
>>
>>>"Chom Noamsky" <p...@bbq.yum> wrote in message
>>>news:Q4L4m.33722$Db2.26517@edtnps83...
>>>
>>>>That's what the science has been predicting... that as the climate warms
>>>>the
>>>>continental interiors will become drier and colder.
>>
>>>Albertans don't believe in global warming. So let them drink oil.
>>
>>When your income depends on an environmentally-destructive product then
>>naturally one turns to denialism. Just look at the the tobacco industry and
>>the CFC industry, they opposed any kind of regulation on those products and
>>claimed the world would come to an end if we controlled them. The only
>>thing that came to an end was their destruction-derived profits.
>
>
> Unfortunately, the tobacco industry didn't come to an end. It just
> increased its sales efforts in the 3rd world.
I quite smoking for ten months and then started again a while ago. Not
in the third world mind you in Saskatchewan but close sometimes ;-)