161 Federal Tax Charges, 0 Convictions
Jimmy_For_Freedom
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Jimmy
September 30, 2007
Media Blackout:
161 Federal Tax Charges, 0 Convictions
IRS Suffers Staggering Defeat
Tax Questions Raised Regarding
Gold and Silver Coins Used to Pay Wages
Around noon on Monday, September 17th, a Las Vegas federal jury
returned its verdict refusing to convict nine defendants of any of the
161 federal tax crimes they had been charged with. The charges
included income tax evasion, willful failure to file and conspiracy to
evade taxes.
The four-month trial centered around the family businesses of Robert
Kahre who paid numerous workers for their labor with circulating gold
and silver U.S. coins, and did not report the wages. The payments took
place over several years, allegedly totaling at least $114 million
dollars.
On September 20, 2007, three days after the federal trial's dramatic
conclusion, the Las Vegas Review Journal, reportedly under a degree of
public pressure, ran its first (and last) story about the outcome of
the trial. To this day, with exception of the single article by the
Review Journal, no major media entity has published a news story
regarding the outcome of this important federal criminal tax
case.
The censorship of this important news story is, unfortunately, not
unexpected given the continuing, worldwide onslaught against the U.S.
"dollar" -- specifically the Federal Reserve variety, and the ever
growing numbers of Federal Reserve Notes required to trade for an
actual ounce of silver, gold, oil, or for that matter, anything.
In short, this failed prosecution has coalesced and exposed truths our
Government desperately needs to hide from the People: the truth about
our money, the truth about our (privately-owned) central bank, and the
truth about the fraudulent nature of the operation and enforcement of
the federal income tax system.
Click here to read the April, 2005 DOJ press release announcing the
prosecution.
Click here to read the 9/20 story by the Review Journal about the
trial.
According to defense attorney Joel Hansen, who represented co-
defendant Alex Loglia, the primary "willfulness" defense was that the
defendants believed they had no legal obligation to withhold, pay
income taxes or report anything to the government because, in part,
the nominal (i.e., face value) of the gold and silver coins is so
small as to fall beneath the reporting thresholds set by the Internal
Revenue Code.
The Defendants also argued that regardless of the valuation of the
coins for internal revenue purposes, there is no law that requires
average American workers to file or pay direct, un-apportioned taxes
on the fruits of their labor.
The Government argued that the payments in solid gold and silver U.S.
coins must be considered at their bullion (i.e., intrinsic full-
market) value when considering the worth of the wages for purposes of
the internal revenue code.
Attorney Hansen cited two Supreme Court cases bolstering Defendant's
monetary argument at the heart of the defendants "willfulness"
defense.
The essence of the argument is that under the Constitution Congress is
obligated by law to mint and circulate such coins as demand requires,
and must establish the value of coins as they are used as legal
tender, but the coins' market value, arising as valuable personal
"property," is a distinct, separate attribute of such coins, and is of
no legal consequence if the coins are used as legal tender.
In other words, if a worker is paid with such coins, his taxable
"income" (if any) can only be the face value indicated upon the coin
money paid -- i.e., $1.00 for a circulating silver dollar or $50 for a
circulating gold U.S. coin. Not surprisingly, the IRS has never issued
any public guidance regarding this significant issue.
The first case, Ling Su Fan v. U.S., 218 US 302 (1910) establishes the
legal distinction of a coin bearing the "impress" of the sovereign:
"These limitations are due to the fact that public law gives to such
coinage a value which does not attach as a mere consequence of
intrinsic value. Their quality as a legal tender is an attribute of
law aside from their bullion value. They bear, therefore, the impress
of sovereign power which fixes value and authorizes their use in
exchange."
The second case, Thompson v. Butler, 95 US 694 (1877), establishes
that the law makes no legal distinction between the values of coin and
paper money used as legal tender:
"A coin dollar is worth no more for the purposes of tender in payment
of an ordinary debt than a note dollar. The law has not made the note
a standard of value any more than coin. It is true that in the market,
as an article of merchandise, one is of greater value than the other;
but as money, that is to say, as a medium of exchange, the law knows
no difference between them."
Defense attorney Hansen confirmed that members of the jury were able
to actually hold and inspect the gold and silver U.S. coins paid to
the workers.
After almost four months of testimony and three and a half days of
deliberation, the jury did not convict any of the defendants of any of
the 161 crimes alleged. Although some defendants were acquitted of
multiple counts, and several were acquitted completely, others may
have to stand for a retrial if the Government brings charges a second
time.
The Review Journal reported the jury foreman claimed DOJ prosecutors
admitted they were "shocked" by the outcome.
In March 2007, the primary defendant, Bob Kahre, filed a federal civil
rights lawsuit against the prosecutor and IRS agents who had conducted
what he alleges to be an unlawful search and seizure raid. In 2005,
the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals refused to overturn a previous
District Court ruling holding that the federal prosecutor is not
entitled to absolute immunity for the unlawful raid. Read more.
Click here to execute a Google News search to attempt to locate recent
news stories about the Kahre tax trial.
The media suppression of this story is similar to the widespread
mainstream media suppression of the July 11, 2007 acquittal of
Louisiana attorney Tommy Cryer who was also charged with multiple
federal income tax crimes and relied upon numerous Supreme Court
precedents and U.S. tax laws to establish his "willfulness" defense.
Click here for a previous WTP update containing a link to Cryer's 100-
page Motion to Dismiss which details his legal arguments.
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locate news stories about Tommy Cryer's tax trial.
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"Jimmy_For_Freedom" <jimmy_fo...@hotmail.com> wrote
> September 30, 2007
> IRS Suffers Staggering Defeat
> Tax Questions Raised Regarding
> Gold and Silver Coins Used to Pay Wages
Y'all should get a life.
Wages were paid, and reported on W-2's. Apparently all the proper payroll
and tax (business and personal) returns were filed.
Those wages were paid with gold and/or silver coins at their face (stated)
values, and not at the rate of the market value of the coins.
The only real issue here is should the wages have been reported - and
corresponding tax paid - on the market value of the payment method, or the
stated value of the coin?
So the only real issue was one of valuation. What was the taxable dollar
amount.
You're really desperate if you're grabbing at this for a victory for your
side.
--
"For those who believe, no explanation is necessary.
For those who do not, none will suffice."
- Joseph Dunniger
Paul A. Thomas, CPA
Athens, Georgia
Abbot
> "Jimmy_For_Freedom" <jimmy_for_free...@hotmail.com> wrote
Abbot) It's hardly a news blackout. The story is all over the papers.
And you can see a discussion of it here:
http://www.quatloos.com/qforum/viewtopic.php?t=1439&view=previous&sid=6baa9a3938495fb642df235d8af086ff
If one does a little reading (I know it's hard, detaxers) in the Vegas
papers one can see that this prosecutor has had problems getting
convictions.
Jimmy_For_Freedom
>
> If one does a little reading (I know it's hard, detaxers) in the Vegas
> papers one can see that this prosecutor has had problems getting
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Sorry for chocking both you and Paul, Abby. I'm trying to keep things
digestable for you.
Abbot
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Abbot 2) The only cho(a)cking here is when you gag on Eldon's member,
you wittless fool. The fact is you willfully edited the facts of the
Kahre case to fit your lying needs. Others gave the full facts, not
you, Jimmy.
You are a coward and a liar.
Jimmy_For_Freedom
Take deep breath. You still seem to rather choked there Abby.
Abbot
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Abbot 3) Jimmy, that's your usual supposed pithy remark upon being
called what your are. . . a fool and a liar. And I say it in cold
blood as the reader laughs at your pathetic arse. All one has to do is
read the thread to see you have once again told a willful lie.
Jimmy_For_Freedom
Yes you are cold blooded. Similar to a reptilian shape shifter. Are
you a reptilian shape shifter, Abby?
Abbot
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Abbot 4) Jimmy, I see you'd rather ape one of Eldon's laughable
theroies than talk about your lies and foolishness.
You are really a fool!
Jimmy_For_Freedom
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Lies? THat's utter nonsense. Another one of your "Bad Jokes", Abby?
Abbot
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Abbot 5) Jimmy, one can always tell when you are at the end of the
thread and your wits.The fact is you willfully edited the facts of the
Kahre case to fit your lying needs. Others gave the full facts, not
you, Jimmy.
You are a liar.
Jimmy_For_Freedom
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Abbot, you know full well your attacks are baseless designed only
divert attention away from you in order to make you feel better. For
example, what were all those "Bad jokes" about? When are you gonna
clear that up?
Abbot
Abbot 6) You stared the thread with a cut and paste that conveniently
hid the facts. Now that you can't defend your lie you want to pretend
it's all about me.
> For example, what were all those "Bad jokes" about? When are you gonna
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Abbot
Abbot 6) Jimmy, you started the thread with a cut and paste that
conveniently hid the facts. Now that you can't defend your lie you
want to pretend it's all about me.
> For example, what were all those "Bad jokes" about? When are you gonna
> clear that up?- Hide quoted text -
Jimmy_For_Freedom
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Not pretending Abby. You're the one who started the degradation.
People who do that do so for the purpose of boosting themselves.
Remember, my mother in-law was a nurse in a mental hospital for many
years and has come accross tons of people like you. They always make
it about themselves. THEY THINK THE WORLD REVOLVES AROUND THEM. So I'm
only pointing out the facts here. I thought you wanted to talk about
yourself and took the opportuntiy to give you another chance to clear
up your "Bad Jokes". Are you saying the "bad jokes" weren't about you?
Abbot
>
> Not pretending Abby. You're the one who started the degradation.
Abbot 7) Calling liars and cheats like you what they are, is not
exactly the sort of denigration I think you are implying. Despite what
you "say" your momma in law says. It's about warning the desperate and
gullible that scammers like you and Eldon are nothing more than a
couple of losers praying on them for the sake of your own egos. In
this case you willfully misrepresented the facts of the Kahre case to
fit your lying needs. You are a liar.
So in the end we see it's what yo' momma in law would call
projection. . . if you ever really talked to her. . . .or if she even
exists at all.
Look it up here, liarboy. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Psychological_projection).
> People who do that do so for the purpose of boosting themselves.
> Remember, my mother in-law was a nurse in a mental hospital for many
> years and has come accross tons of people like you. They always make
> it about themselves. THEY THINK THE WORLD REVOLVES AROUND THEM. So I'm
> only pointing out the facts here. I thought you wanted to talk about
> yourself and took the opportuntiy to give you another chance to clear
> up your "Bad Jokes". Are you saying the "bad jokes" weren't about you?- Hide quoted text -
Jimmy_For_Freedom
Are you done now, Abby?
>
>
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> > People who do that do so for the purpose of boosting themselves.
> > Remember, my mother in-law was a nurse in a mental hospital for many
> > years and has come accross tons of people like you. They always make
> > it about themselves. THEY THINK THE WORLD REVOLVES AROUND THEM. So I'm
> > only pointing out the facts here. I thought you wanted to talk about
> > yourself and took the opportuntiy to give you another chance to clear
> > up your "Bad Jokes". Are you saying the "bad jokes" weren't about you?- Hide quoted text -
>
Abbot
Abbot 8 ) No quite yet, Jimmy. Your post made the absurd implication
that the jury, in its acquittal, specifically expressed agreement with
Joel Hansen's argument. That is not possible since juries do not give
official opinions. Nor do they make case law.
But the biggest lie is that your post said there was a news blackout,
inferring the powers that be wanted the story suppressed. It turns out
the story was all over the papers and you are the one trying to
control what the public is told, not the media or the government.
You told us that the links in your posts mysteriously didn't show up
when you cut and pasted them, when in fact your post is a simple paste
job that's been circulating in your subculture, without workable
links, for days.
I suspect you and the rest of your dysfunctional subculture knew full
well that if anyone bothered to do a little reading they'd see that
the story has been well reported over the preceding months and that
the story is, in large part, about a federal prosecutor, J. Gregory
Damm, who has failed to get several indictments and convictions over
the last few years.
One suspects you and your crowd would rather have the reader believe
the jury set a precedent, which it can not, based upon the brilliants
arguments made by Joel Hansen.
This story is just one more steaming pile of propaganda passed on by
you.
Jimmy_For_Freedom
Remember the Amero? It's not so fantasy after all, is it?
But you, Abby, just like you won't fess up regarding your "bad jokes",
you probably won't acknowledge that the Amero is a very real North
American proposed currency. Just like my Amero post, the truth
eventually finds it's way to the top regardless of how much you damage
control goons try to suppress it. But since I'm not a loud mouth like
yourself nor do I care to have the last work, we'll see the results
sooner or later. Things are what they are and you're are damage
control jerk.
Abbot
wrote:
Abbot 9) Jimmy, your cut and paste Amero post portrayed a fantasy coin
as a coin minted by the U.S. Treasury.
You never check out anything you post. And when you get corrected you
just pretend it never happened. That's why you remain ignorant.
> But you, Abby, just like you won't fess up regarding your "bad jokes",
> you probably won't acknowledge that the Amero is a very real North
> American proposed currency. Just like my Amero post, the truth
> eventually finds it's way to the top regardless of how much you damage
> control goons try to suppress it. But since I'm not a loud mouth like
> yourself nor do I care to have the last work, we'll see the results
> sooner or later. Things are what they are and you're are damage
> control jerk.- Hide quoted text -
Jimmy_For_Freedom
Apparently you like keeping people ignorant regarding your "Bad
Jokes". Do you really think it didn't happen?
>
> > But you, Abby, just like you won't fess up regarding your "bad jokes",
> > you probably won't acknowledge that the Amero is a very real North
> > American proposed currency. Just like my Amero post, the truth
> > eventually finds it's way to the top regardless of how much you damage
> > control goons try to suppress it. But since I'm not a loud mouth like
> > yourself nor do I care to have the last work, we'll see the results
> > sooner or later. Things are what they are and you're are damage
> > control jerk.- Hide quoted text -
>
Abbot
Abbot 10) Jimmy, the joke is on you. To you NESARA, the Amero and
shape shifting lizard people are real but tax law isn't. One wonders
how you function in the real world. I suspect that like Eldon you
knuckle under to the man on a regular basis. . .then come to this NG
and play the brave detaxer.
Jimmy_For_Freedom
I beg you to prove your allegations. Or is this another "Bad Joke"?
LOL
Abbot
>
> > > > Abbot 9) Jimmy, your cut and paste Amero post portrayed a fantasy coin
> > > > as a coin minted by the U.S. Treasury.
>
> > > > You never check out anything you post. And when you get corrected you
> > > > just pretend it never happened. That's why you remain ignorant.
>
> > > Apparently you like keeping people ignorant regarding your "Bad
> > > Jokes". Do you really think it didn't happen?
>
> > Abbot 10) Jimmy, the joke is on you. To you NESARA, the Amero and
> > shape shifting lizard people are real but tax law isn't. One wonders
> > basis. . .then come to this NG and play the brave detaxer.
>
> I beg you to prove your allegations. Or is this another "Bad Joke"?
> LOL
Abbot 11) You are a laughing fool who can't read, Jimmy. I said "I
suspect that, like Eldon, you knuckle under to the man on a regular
basis. . .then come to this NG and play the brave detaxer."
Do you have a dictionary, so you can look up "suspect" shitforbrains?
I suspect you are a fraud, in part, because you can't remember from
one day to the next which contradictory detax method you say you are
using. I suspect that with your low I.Q. and nearly total lack of
common sense you get by in tiny man-child world your family has carved
out for you.
"Yo slopped dem hogs yet, Jimmyboy. Breakfast is nearly ready"
"Yes, momma, I'm nearly done".
"Ha meny times I gotta tell ya' not ta call me 'momma'. I'm yo wife,
Jimmyboy!"
When you have to leave that world I suspect the responsible adult sent
out with you tells you to sit up straight do exactly what the man
says.
Jimmy_For_Freedom
Hill-Billy Jack. Has a nice ring to it doesn't it, Jack? Still doesn't
address your "Bad Jokes" though. Why do you keep avoiding that part of
your history. Do you want it to go away or don't you, Hill-Billy Jack?
Abbot
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Abbot 12) The truth is my bad jokes get brought up by you every time
your lying arse gets nailed to the wall. That's 'cause you think you
shouldn't have to be called to account when you post lying, cheating
detax scams as truth. So you change the subject!
That's another reason I know you ain't cuttin' the mustard in the real
world. . .nobody wants to deal with a lying cheat like you.
Jimmy_For_Freedom
Interpretation: Hill-Billy Jack projects his own failures in order to
avoid the truth.
Abbot
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Abbot 13) At least I'm not buying Ameros!
Jimmy_For_Freedom
You dudes ain't gonna be buy'n noth'n pretty soon.
Abbot
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Abbot 14) Ah, yes the detaxer fantasy that one day the large society,
in which can't compete, will collapse and the brave detaxer will
emerge from his basement to say "I told you so".
Hey, Jimmy, the world could collapse and six months later your betters
would be on top once gain and you'd still be bitching about it all.
Abbot
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Abbot 14) Ah, yes the detaxer fantasy that one day the larger society,
Abbot
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Abbot 14) Ah, yes the detaxer fantasy that one day the larger society,
in which he can't compete, will collapse and the brave detaxer will
The Retaxer
> Abbot 14) Ah, yes the detaxer fantasy that one day the large society,
> in which can't compete, will collapse and the brave detaxer will
> emerge from his basement to say "I told you so".
>
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their babies and forcing them into our "system of truth", where taxes are paid
double by the detaxers.
Queen Victoria died in 1901, and her last words were so.
"I vant you to hund down the detaxers and kill them with your blunderbusks"
She's left several powder kegs and grape shot for us to do her bidding.
THERE IS NO LAW AGAINST IT!
Queen Victoria died in 1901
Accountants must be made to get on their knees and suck the cock of Queen
Victoria's representative!
Queen Victoria died in 1901!!
Jimmy_For_Freedom
If what you say is true, then what's your point for existing and also
for posting here?