Mandela's Racist Comment Against U.S. Is Regrettable, Unfortunate
Toaster
'All I really need to know about Islam, I learned on September 11.'
and then just say...
All I realy need to know about America, I learned from the inocents that
died during the vietnam war and lets not forget america kill thousands with
atomic bombs. America is a cruel, brutal and self righteous nation... o yes
forgot to mention inocent afgans that died in the recent war and I assume
america will get great joy out of killing civilians during the next war.
I am sure there are many people that dont realy like you America and someday
it will come back to haunt.
> > > On Mon, 30 Sep 2002 19:08:01 GMT, Erik Trammel <cice...@rogers.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >Nelson Mandela of South Africa was reported by CNN to
> > > >have said that the U.S. is hostile to the U.N. because
> > > >the Secretary General of that organization, Kofi Anan, is black.
> > > >
> > > >This is not only racist, it is erroneous and stupid.
> > > >Is Mandela ignorant of the fact that George Bush's
> > > >Secretary of State, General Colin Powell, is black.
> > > >Or that his National Security Advisor, Condoleeza Rice is also black.
> > > >
> > > >Manilla has falsely turned an ideological problem into a racial
> > > >one. I am sure that George Bush and the U.S. would not
> > > >be so opposed to the U.N. if that world body did not discriminate
> > > >against Israel while favoring Arafat, the Palestinians and other
tyrants and
> > > >anti-capitalists.
> > > >
> > > >If the U.N. Secretary General were American Supreme Court Justice,
> > > >Clarence Thomas, would Mandela be making the same charge?
> > > >Or if the conservative black intellectual Walter Williams from
> > > >George Mason University were S.G. would Mandela feel the same way?
> > > >How about recent black Republican presidential primary candidate,
> > > >talk-show host Alan Keyes. No, the U.S. has a problem with the
> > > >U.N. because of its incompetency, corruption and
> > > >socialist, capitalist and anti-Western bias.
> > > >
> > > >The Marxist Nelson Mandela should be reminded of the fact that many
blacks
> > > >serve with distinction in the American armed forces, that many
American blacks were killed
> > > >in the WTC bombings and there are many American blacks in Congress,
state, municipal,
> > > >and academic institutions and bureaucracies.
> > > >
> > > >Mandela should apologize to the democratic U.S. for his unfortunate
stupid
> > > >and racist remark. He should, instead, be criticizing Robert Mugabe
and
> > > >Zimbabwe in Africa.
> > >
> > > Mandela is as relevant and credible as the U.N.
> > >
> > > JD
> > >
> > > 'All I really need to know about Islam, I learned on September 11.'
> > > -Me
bidou
Toaster a écrit :
Julian D.
<blahbl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>Would like to take some time and reflect on the signature below
>'All I really need to know about Islam, I learned on September 11.'
>and then just say...
>
>All I realy need to know about America, I learned from the inocents that
>died during the vietnam war and lets not forget america kill thousands with
>atomic bombs. America is a cruel, brutal and self righteous nation... o yes
>forgot to mention inocent afgans that died in the recent war and I assume
>america will get great joy out of killing civilians during the next war.
>
>I am sure there are many people that dont realy like you America and someday
>it will come back to haunt.
Please, if you're not an American, don't post on our internet.
Hartmann Schaffer
Julian D. <ju...@ersatz.com> writes:
> ...
> Please, if you're not an American, don't post on our internet.
if you promise to stay away from ours (in which case it won't be an
internet any more)
hs
--
don't use malice as an explanation when stupidity suffices
Jimmy Joe
only conclusion that can be drawn from your statement. I thought your
country was founded of free speech one step short of yelling fire! in
a crowded theater. Oh.... I get it, your not American after all, your
just trying to make them look stupid aren't you? We'll it's not gonna
work, were on to you, we all know a true American wouldn't make such
an ignorant statement.
RES
"Julian D." wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 15:40:39 +0100, "Toaster"
> <blahbl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >Would like to take some time and reflect on the signature below
> >'All I really need to know about Islam, I learned on September 11.'
> >and then just say...
> >
> >All I realy need to know about America, I learned from the inocents that
> >died during the vietnam war and lets not forget america kill thousands with
> >atomic bombs. America is a cruel, brutal and self righteous nation... o yes
> >forgot to mention inocent afgans that died in the recent war and I assume
> >america will get great joy out of killing civilians during the next war.
> >
> >I am sure there are many people that dont realy like you America and someday
> >it will come back to haunt.
>
> Please, if you're not an American, don't post on our internet.
>
Good one. Are you Al Gore by any chance? LMAO
TellTheTruth
"Toaster" <blahbl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:TzDm9.423$ro2....@news.uk.colt.net...
> Would like to take some time and reflect on the signature below
> 'All I really need to know about Islam, I learned on September 11.'
> and then just say...
>
> All I realy need to know about America, I learned from the inocents that
> died during the vietnam war and lets not forget america kill thousands
with
> atomic bombs. America is a cruel, brutal and self righteous nation... o
yes
> forgot to mention inocent afgans that died in the recent war and I assume
> america will get great joy out of killing civilians during the next war.
>
> I am sure there are many people that dont realy like you America and
someday
> it will come back to haunt.
You don't seem to mind using the American (actually AlGore) invented
Internet.
Hypocrite.
Stephen Eggleston
"RES" <resc...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:3D9BB788...@shaw.ca...
>
>
> "Julian D." wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 15:40:39 +0100, "Toaster"
> > <blahbl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > >Would like to take some time and reflect on the signature below
> > >'All I really need to know about Islam, I learned on September 11.'
> > >and then just say...
> > >
> > >All I realy need to know about America, I learned from the inocents
that
> > >died during the vietnam war and lets not forget america kill thousands
with
> > >atomic bombs. America is a cruel, brutal and self righteous nation...
o yes
> > >forgot to mention inocent afgans that died in the recent war and I
assume
> > >america will get great joy out of killing civilians during the next
war.
> > >
> > >I am sure there are many people that dont realy like you America and
someday
> > >it will come back to haunt.
> >
> > Please, if you're not an American, don't post on our internet.
[SE] All I needed to know about George Bush I knew before the second Tuesday
of November 2000.
Everything I needed to know about American insularity, arrogance and
ignorance I have learned from the last line of the thread above.
Unfortunately, it is a few bad apples that spread the appearance of rot to
the rest.
Cheers!
LibMind
> On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 15:40:39 +0100, "Toaster"
> <blahbl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >Would like to take some time and reflect on the signature below
> >'All I really need to know about Islam, I learned on September 11.'
> >and then just say...
> >
> >All I realy need to know about America, I learned from the inocents that
> >died during the vietnam war and lets not forget america kill thousands with
> >atomic bombs. America is a cruel, brutal and self righteous nation... o yes
> >forgot to mention inocent afgans that died in the recent war and I assume
> >america will get great joy out of killing civilians during the next war.
> >
> >I am sure there are many people that dont realy like you America and someday
> >it will come back to haunt.
>
> Please, if you're not an American, don't post on our internet.
Obviously, the poster who wrote "All I really need to know about
Islam, I learned on September 11." was joking. It's politically
incorrect humor -- the best type for my money. I'm sure that the
reference to the internet being American is a joke as well, playing on
the fact that the internet is an American invention. However, the
vividly simplistic, anti-American comment in reaction is clearly not
meant as humor. In this sense it IS NOT equal to the comment that
preceeded it.
As far as the death of "innocents" (I presume he meant civilians and
quasi-civilians here) go, most Americans think that such deaths are
unfortunate. Yet, any rational being will understand that collateral
damage will occur in most large scale military operations. What is
morally necessary is that 1)soldiers, officers and civil governments
try to avoid civilian death to the best of their operational ability,
and 2) nations should not impliment large scale military operations
except for apparently necessary and good causes. In every instance the
American government, people, and the vast majority of it's soldiers
have consistently done these things throughout the Twentieth century.
The exceptions are few and have always occured due to rogue bands,
such as at the tragedy at My-Lai.
If anything will come back to haunt America it will be the selective
forgetfulness of an ungrateful world, the majority of which have, at
best, fumbling ideas about, and lack-lustre dedication to the
principles of free government(present British company excepted). Not
to mention dangerous political games played by jealous continental
European powers in the UN and in continental Europe itself. Right now
leftist politicians in Germany and France make political hay out of
"Palestinian oppression", while playing footsie with latent
anti-semitism disguised as anti-Zionism. Presently, European powers
are only too happy to assign the UN real governmental powers though
the UN has no moral authority to wield them. Is Europe so impatient to
paint the US into corners that it forgets popular sovereignty? And as
I write this pro-EUers plot the aggrandizement of EU power without any
honest discussion of what European Federalism will mean to Europe's
present nations. The impatience of many European powers to accend the
stage of world power is evident -- they will mongrelize thier own
national traditions and muddle thier own sovereignty to do it.
If Britain is wise and just it will reject the trends of the
continent. Indeed, though I think that the war against Iraq is
ill-advised (though not necessarily unjust), I can say atleast this
much for Tony Blair: he is no lapp dog for either Kofi Annan or the
Franco-German EU.
Toaster
"LibMind" <LibMi...@cs.com> wrote in message
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I doudt that you can call it a joke... I think a 'joke' is quite relative
and i did not find the above 'joke' very funny.
All I say about this is that everybody has an angle/agenda/motivation just
because it is not yours does not mean it is wrong.
Toaster
"TellTheTruth" <tellth...@every.turn> wrote in message
news:HsPm9.67527$1C2.3...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> "Toaster" <blahbl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:TzDm9.423$ro2....@news.uk.colt.net...
> > Would like to take some time and reflect on the signature below
> > 'All I really need to know about Islam, I learned on September 11.'
> > and then just say...
> >
> > All I realy need to know about America, I learned from the inocents that
> > died during the vietnam war and lets not forget america kill thousands
> with
> > atomic bombs. America is a cruel, brutal and self righteous nation... o
> yes
> > forgot to mention inocent afgans that died in the recent war and I
assume
> > america will get great joy out of killing civilians during the next war.
> >
> > I am sure there are many people that dont realy like you America and
> someday
> > it will come back to haunt.
>
> You don't seem to mind using the American (actually AlGore) invented
> Internet.
OK thats it... All americans stop using the lawn mower (English) heart
transplant (South African) and many more.
Hypocrite
Toaster
of that quote is a dangerous one. Sayings like that could lead to another
holocausts, I admit the way made my point was harsh but I hope I made my
point clearly. When I read the quote to my fellow office workers(most of
them are American) they were shocked and did not see it as a joke either.
"Toaster" <blahbl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:TzDm9.423$ro2....@news.uk.colt.net...
TellTheTruth
I didn't object to England orSouth Africa, Toaster.
Stupid hypocrite.
Julian D.
<blahbl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>All I meant by the posting was that the attitude displayed by the "quoter"
>of that quote is a dangerous one. Sayings like that could lead to another
>holocausts, I admit the way made my point was harsh but I hope I made my
>point clearly. When I read the quote to my fellow office workers(most of
>them are American) they were shocked and did not see it as a joke either.
Send me your address. I'll send you one US dollar. Take it, go buy a
sense of humor.
I was joking about the internet.
Not about my Islam quote.
And it is dangerous. Islam is a gutter religion. Muslims NOT desiring
the deaths of Jews or Christians are NOT following the koran and are
not true to their faith.
Those islamist scumbags who drove planes into our buildings, killing
our people are true muslims. Those wanting Jews and Christians dead,
especially American Jews and Christians dead, are true muslims. Those
muslims who are 'peaceful', tolerant and do not subscribe to the jihad
are NOT true muslims.
The taliban would have them killed for not following the true tenets
of their faith.
The taliban were true muslims.
Now you go and read that to your fellows.
Make no mistake. This is a religious war. The new Crusade starts
when Bush enters Iraq. The new Crusaders have better weapons this
time.
I desire 300,000 muslims dead. One for each American killed September
11.
neil tupper
> On Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:06:11 +0100, "Toaster"
> <blahbl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >All I meant by the posting was that the attitude displayed by the
"quoter"
> >of that quote is a dangerous one. Sayings like that could lead to
another
> >holocausts, I admit the way made my point was harsh but I hope I made my
> >point clearly. When I read the quote to my fellow office workers(most of
> >them are American) they were shocked and did not see it as a joke either.
>
> Send me your address. I'll send you one US dollar. Take it, go buy a
> sense of humor.
>
> I was joking about the internet.
> Not about my Islam quote.
> And it is dangerous. Islam is a gutter religion. Muslims NOT desiring
> the deaths of Jews or Christians are NOT following the koran and are
> not true to their faith.
Phew! Thank God I'm an atheist.
Neil
Julian D.
Nope, muslims want you dead for not believing in 'allah'. Especially
not worshipping their pedophile-prophet mohammed.
LibMind
I disagree. "Funny" is relative to the observer. "Joke" is relative to
the teller. If it is intended as a joke then it is a joke, though it
may not be a funny joke.
Of course, but not everyboby's "angle/agenda/motivation" is equally
moral or rooted in defensible opinion. Any philosophy or method that
rejects or diminishes the sovereignty of the people in government is
dangerous and cannot rationally be condoned by a people that value
human liberty. And anyone who thinks that the Palistinians hold moral
ground above the Israelis has a warped view of what is right and
wrong. Any moral ground the Palestinians held was destroyed when they
began sending children strapped with plastic explosives into civilian
crowds to commit murder/suicide. Israel does what it needs to to
defend itself. And peace should and could have already been made if it
was not for an intrasigent Arafat, who in turn coerced Israel into
military action by ordering suicide bombings.
Terry Pearson
"Jimmy Joe" <Ede...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I never met an American that would be that crass.
Terry Pearson
http://www.rightpoint.ca
Terry Pearson
"Stephen Eggleston" <seggl...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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>
> "RES" <resc...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> >
> >
> > "Julian D." wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 15:40:39 +0100, "Toaster"
> > > <blahbl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Would like to take some time and reflect on the signature below
> > > >'All I really need to know about Islam, I learned on September 11.'
> > > >and then just say...
> > > >
> > > >All I realy need to know about America, I learned from the inocents
> that
> > > >died during the vietnam war and lets not forget america kill
thousands
> with
> > > >atomic bombs. America is a cruel, brutal and self righteous
nation...
> o yes
> > > >forgot to mention inocent afgans that died in the recent war and I
> assume
> > > >america will get great joy out of killing civilians during the next
> war.
> > > >
> > > >I am sure there are many people that dont realy like you America and
> someday
> > > >it will come back to haunt.
> > >
> > > Please, if you're not an American, don't post on our internet.
I'm Canadian, am I allowed?
Toaster
> Of course, but not everyboby's "angle/agenda/motivation" is equally
> moral or rooted in defensible opinion. Any philosophy or method that
> rejects or diminishes the sovereignty of the people in government is
> dangerous and cannot rationally be condoned by a people that value
> human liberty. And anyone who thinks that the Palistinians hold moral
> ground above the Israelis has a warped view of what is right and
> wrong. Any moral ground the Palestinians held was destroyed when they
> began sending children strapped with plastic explosives into civilian
> crowds to commit murder/suicide. Israel does what it needs to to
> defend itself. And peace should and could have already been made if it
> was not for an intrasigent Arafat, who in turn coerced Israel into
> military action by ordering suicide bombings.
>
I actualy agree with you there but then again, both side are acting like
children and unfortunately it is the inocent that suffer... I think <start
of a "not to be taken serious" statement> all the isreali and palastinian
politian/activists should be made to fight it out and stop harming others
around them <end of the "not to be taken serious" statement> They both kill
and they both do it unjustly and indiscriminately, and I truely dont see any
end to the conflict... and it does not help if countries like america and
other western nations and also some of the arab nations encourage their side
of choice.
I come from a country that saw the worst of this type of conflict (not just
in urban terrorism but also during the angola-southafrican war where
america/isreal/etc help SA and cuba/etc helped angola)... and (thank god) we
found a way out of it... South Africa is not perfect and there is still many
wrongs to be righted but things take time...
Julian D.
wrote:
You guys are pitiful, living in igloos and being of french descent.
We'll cut you a break and grant you our benevolence. You may post.
>> [SE] All I needed to know about George Bush I knew before the second
>Tuesday
>> of November 2000.
>>
>> Everything I needed to know about American insularity, arrogance and
>> ignorance I have learned from the last line of the thread above.
>> Unfortunately, it is a few bad apples that spread the appearance of rot to
>> the rest.
>> Cheers!
>>
>>
>
JD
'All I really need to know about Islam, I learned on September 11.'
-Me
Julian D.
Until it turns out to be another Zimbabwe.
JD
'All I really need to know about Islam, I learned on September 11.'
-Me
Dave Zero
They did bring us Rush, after all, and Adam Sandler.
--
Dave Zero - dave...@mindspring.com jesusofth...@hotmail.com
"And I don't care about making an ass of myself because most
people already realize I am one." - Dr. Kary B. Mullis
The Encyclopedia Tetrica: http://tetrica.com/tiz/
Julian D.
Rush! Late October they'll be here.
JD
'All I really need to know about Islam, I learned on September 11.'
-Me