Greatest Artist And Writer Of All Time Was Right-Wing Conservative
Perspicuous
but so what?
Shakespeare's greatest play Hamlet endorses Christianity although Pince
Hamlet himself was
a free-thinker. Capital punishment is also advocated in Shakepeare's
world which shows
a clear demarcation between right and wrong. There is no moral
eqivalence or political
correctness here. Sexual promiscuity and perversion are frowned upon
and the traditional family is looked upon as sacrosanct.
Shakespeare, as seen in his great plays Hamlet, Macbeth, Henry V,
Julius Caesar also
acknowledges the necessity of violence and war to preserve freedom and
dignity. Reading
"Hamlet" in high school for the first time shaped my own values and
ideology which has
served me well.
In recent decades those espousing conservative values and ideology are
disparaged by
"liberals" and leftists as mainly uneducated and stupid rednecks who
are unsophisticated
and reactionary. We have seen that in the way the "liberal" media have
demeaned and ridiculed
conservative American presidents such as Coolidge, Eisenhower, Nixon,
Ford, Reagan and
now Bush as being unintellectual dinosaurs. So it must be troublesome
for them to note
that arguably the greatest artist in the history of this planet was
ideologically ritght-wing.
Perspicuous
It could have been added that America's greatest poet, T.S. Eliot was
also a very
right-wing conservative.
John McKay
Ross John - New Year's Day and you're deep into the sauce again. Back
safely in your basement exile posting the products of your
booze-fuelled fantasies on the usenet.
Here is a challenge for you. Go down Hwy 4 to UWO and try this out on a
few of the Shakespeare scholars in the English department. I might be
able to recommend a couple of names. Let us know whether you were
laughed at or thrown out of their offices. Do yourself a favour - try
doing some research before you make the trip. It might save you the
humiliation and ridicule you so richly deserve. There is no evidence in
the record of Shakespeare's life or elsewhere to support this
nonsensical fantasy of yours.
You are a witless scribbler. A third-rate usenet graffiti artist. I
pity the kids you taught - those who were subjected to your fraudulent
musings and complete incompetence.
John McKay
And you are the laughingstock of can.politics - an honour previously
reserved for Terry Pearson. You poor pathetic old man - living out
your remaining days in a basement den with Fox News, booze and the
usenet for company.
Go do some real research on Eliot. Post your findings here.
Perspicuous
The problem with your followup,Mark, is that you completely ignore the
content of the original post.
Can't you respond without at least one one reference to a point made
by Perspicuous?.
You address none or the assertions he made about Shakespeare and his
masterpiiece
"Hamlet".
I remember from years past a senior English professor at an Ontario
university
arguing that Claudius, assassinated by Hamlet, was the real hero and
protaginist of the
play and that Hamlet was nuts. And this idiot was typical of many
English teachers in our
universities and high schools. It is,of course, worse now than it was
then. Libersalism has
unfortunately come a long way since I was in university.
Saddam Hussien
"Perspicuous" <cice...@rogers.com> wrote in message
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> This was, of course, William Shakespeare. Yes, he wrote a long time ago
> but so what?
How can you say that, when every true American patriot universally recognizes
Ann Coulter as the greatest artist and writer of all time?
You must be another one of those pro-British America haters.
Dave Smith
So Shakespeare is the greatest artist of all time. I suppose he
may have some Conservative traits in that he was a financially
successful play write. You would probably be hard pressed to
name even a single contemporary of Shakespeare. You obviously
aren't very well versed in Shakespeare or you would realize that
the warfare in some of his plays were just convenient settings
for the tragic heroes and their falls from respectability.
Dave Smith
>tual dinosaurs. So it must be troublesome
> > for them to note
> > that arguably the greatest artist in the history of this planet was
> > ideologically ritght-wing.
>
> It could have been added that America's greatest poet, T.S. Eliot was
> also a very
> right-wing conservative.
How so? Because he was gay?
John McKay
Mark? Who are you referring to - me or a voice in your head?
> Can't you respond without at least one one reference to a point made
> by Perspicuous?.
> You address none or the assertions he made about Shakespeare and his
> masterpiiece
> "Hamlet".
It wasn't worth the bother. To assert that Shakespeare was a right-wing
conservative (a completely ahistorical statement I might add) based on
the themes of Hamlet is analogically the same as stating that
Shakespeare was an anti-semite based on the content of The Merchant of
Venice. You have a Bchelor of Arts degree from UWO. Surely you are
capable of objective, critical analysis.
>
> I remember from years past a senior English professor at an Ontario
> university
> arguing that Claudius, assassinated by Hamlet, was the real hero and
> protaginist of the
> play and that Hamlet was nuts. And this idiot was typical of many
> English teachers in our
> universities and high schools.
Clearly you modelled your own teaching career on their examples.
It is,of course, worse now than it was
> then. Libersalism has
> unfortunately come a long way since I was in university.
Liberalism has nothing to do with it. Don't confuse politics with
critical analysis.
Reginald
> Can't you respond without at least one one reference to a point made
> by Perspicuous?.
>
AAAAaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhaaaa!!!
Imbecile.
Chom Noamsky
right-wing, technologically challenged, pseudo-intellectual Usenet clown
with a multiple personality disorder. In this play the clown, who goes by
the identity of 'Erik Trammel', is the subject of a secret study by a
powerful right-wing political group. They seek to cultivate individuals
like Erik who unwittingly discredit their own political ideologies, with the
goal of planting them in opposition parties.
Like a good Shakespearean play it also involves personal loss and tragedy -
in this case 'Erik' loses his Internet connection and is reduced to raving
at strangers on a street corner.
"Perspicuous" <cice...@rogers.com> wrote in message
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Duncan Patton
"Perspicuous" <cice...@rogers.com> wrote:
> > that arguably the greatest artist in the history of this planet was
> > ideologically ritght-wing.
>
> It could have been added that America's greatest poet, T.S. Eliot was
> also a very
> right-wing conservative.
More mindlessness from a liar.
Shakespear did not "advocate capital punishment". From Hamlet:
"Gods bodykins man, better. Use everie man
after his desart, and who should scape whipping."
In fact, the judgement of a "Capital" sentence is afflicted on
us all does not mean we should hurry that judgement, either
for ourselves or others.
Dhu
Perspicuous
Not at all. Shapespeare was quite compassionate in his treatment of
Shylock, for
whom he showed sympathy. Also Shakespeare's portrayal of Portia,
Shylock's daughter, was extremely complimentary. There is basically no
anti-Semitism in the play. Read it again.
Perspicuous
> > > content of the original post.
> >
> > Mark? Who are you referring to - me or a voice in your head?
> >
> > > Can't you respond without at least one one reference to a point made
> > > by Perspicuous?.
> > > You address none or the assertions he made about Shakespeare and his
> > > masterpiiece
> > > "Hamlet".
> >
> > It wasn't worth the bother. To assert that Shakespeare was a right-wing
> > conservative (a completely ahistorical statement I might add) based on
> > the themes of Hamlet is analogically the same as stating that
> > Shakespeare was an anti-semite based on the content of The Merchant of
> > Venice.
>
> Shylock, for
> whom he showed sympathy. Also Shakespeare's portrayal of
> Shylock's daughter, was extremely complimentary. There is basically no
> anti-Semitism in the play. Read it again.
> You have a Bchelor of Arts degree from UWO. Surely you are
> > capable of objective, critical analysis.
> >
> > >
> > > I remember from years past a senior English professor at an Ontario
> > > university
> > > arguing that Claudius, assassinated by Hamlet, was the real hero and
> > > protaginist of the
> > > play and that Hamlet was nuts. And this idiot was typical of many
> > > English teachers in our universities and high schools.
> >
> > Clearly you modelled your own teaching career on their examples.
> >
> > It is,of course, worse now than it was
> > > then. Liberalism has
> > > unfortunately come a long way since I was in university.
> >
> > Liberalism has nothing to do with it.
It has everything to do with it, Mark. English teachers and professors
are arguably the the most "liberal" and biased of all academics.
Don't confuse politics with
> > critical analysis.
Why not? Almoct every analyst and critic does, you fool. Obviously you
haven't read any film reviews recently.
George Orwell once correctly observed that all art is
propaganda This is true from "Oedipus the King,
and "Animal Farm" to Death of a Salesman" and "To Kill a Mockingbird".
This professor obviously didn't like what Hamlet was saying or where
the play was
going. As was pointed out, the the tragedy stands for law and order. It
is basically Christian,
it endorses capital punishment and retributive justice, it recongizes
the necessity
of war andsupports family values, it condemnssexual promiscuity and
permissiveness, and there is defense of moral equivalence or
relativety. All of these features are anathema to "liberals". And this
is what makes many progressives hostile to Shakespeare.
Many Hollywood writers, producers and directors over the years have
maliciously injected
homosexuality, lesbianism, incest and whatever into the play. They have
tried to
malign Shakespeare by saying or implying all sorts of derogatory things
about his personal life,
which, by the way, no one knows anything about. They have even tried to
disparage
and discredit Shakespeare by claiming that the plays were written by
someone else, such as Francis Bacon. After all, how could such great
masterpieces have been written by someone who didn' attend university?
Chom Noamsky
> Many Hollywood writers, producers and directors over the years have
> maliciously injected
> homosexuality, lesbianism, incest and whatever into the play. They have
> tried to
> malign Shakespeare by saying or implying all sorts of derogatory things
> about his personal life,
> which, by the way, no one knows anything about.
Well, Shakespeare was the product of a European cultural revolution known as
the Renaissance. This was the time of a rebirth in the arts, literature,
sciences, mathematics - areas the church was trying hard to suppress because
they conflicted with conservative religious dogma. In fact the essence of
the Renaissance was about throwing off the yoke of religion and
conservatism. How much enlightenment and learning can be attributed to the
conservatives of Shakespeare's era? Very little. The conservatives of
Shakespeare's day hated theatre because they saw it as "pop culture," to
them it was the cultural and moral equivalent of today's Hollywood. In other
words the conservatives of Shakespeare's day were his biggest critics just
like the conservatives of today are Hollywood's biggest critics (you're a
prime example). But that's the way of conservatism - it's all about
embracing the ideas and works of liberals that have been dead for hundreds
of years. A couple of hundred years from now conservatives will be bleating
about the genius of the Hollywood art and incorporating it into their
philosophy.
Chom Noamsky
news:45998A2C...@sympatico.ca...
> So Shakespeare is the greatest artist of all time. I suppose he
> may have some Conservative traits in that he was a financially
> successful play write. You would probably be hard pressed to
> name even a single contemporary of Shakespeare. You obviously
> aren't very well versed in Shakespeare or you would realize that
> the warfare in some of his plays were just convenient settings
> for the tragic heroes and their falls from respectability.
Evidently Lampoon beleives in the "Shakespeare Fallacy" - that no artist
will ever again be as great as Shakespeare. Tolstoy theorized this belief
is due to "epidemic suggestion." If you're told that something is the
greatest and told repeatedly then it becomes an Undeniable Universal Truth
David Deilley
> the conservatives of today are Hollywood's
> biggest critics (you're a prime example).
Don't dignify Lambourn's rants by characterizing them as something as
coherent as "conservatism." He has contradicted himself -- and
conservative thinking -- too many times over the years to be viewed in
that way.
Lambourn is an aging, lonely attention whore -- whose chronic (and
obvious) alcoholism has left him so isolated that his only remaining
avenue of human contact is dropping absurd, childish assertions into
the newsgroup like lures, and then trolling for responses from suckers
like us.
John McKay
and delusions. The contradictions and inconsistences in your moral
views are well-know and documented on the usenet.
There is not one scrap of evidence - not a shred of proof - to support
the fradulent moralizing nonsense you so desperately want to hang on
the play. It's YOUR deluded mind that sees elements of the play's
fabric - promiscuity, justice - and proclaims that Hamlet to be a
treatise on so-called conservative values. Unless you want to come
into the newsgroup and claim you know Shakespeare's mind - and I would
love to see you play Shirley McLaine - quit pretending you have the
definitive reading of Hamlet or any other of his plays.
> Many Hollywood writers, producers and directors over the years have
> maliciously injected
> homosexuality, lesbianism, incest and whatever into the play. They have
> tried to
> malign Shakespeare by saying or implying all sorts of derogatory things
> about his personal life,
> which, by the way, no one knows anything about. They have even tried to
> disparage
> and discredit Shakespeare by claiming that the plays were written by
> someone else, such as Francis Bacon. After all, how could such great
> masterpieces have been written by someone who didn' attend university?
You poor fellow. You are deluded to the point that you think
Shakespeare needs you to defend his reputation and his works.
David Deilley
> Unless you want to come
> into the newsgroup and claim you
> know Shakespeare's mind - and
> I would love to see you play Shirley
> McLaine - quit pretending you
> have the definitive reading of Hamlet
> or any other of his plays.
Actually -- in the past Lambourn HAS claimed he knows Shakespeare's
mind. He regularly throws out Shakespeare quotes that -- on close
elimination -- are inaccurate. When challenged on this inaccuracy,
Lambourn claimed that his own sloppy quote reflected what Shakespeare
REALLY meant... and did so more accurately that the actual words penned
by "the world's greatest writer."
The reality here is that Lambourn is demonstrating the characteristic
know-it-all laziness of a chronic drunk.
Roedy Green
wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>This was, of course, William Shakespeare. Yes, he wrote a long time ago
>but so what?
>Shakespeare's greatest play Hamlet endorses Christianity although Pince
>Hamlet himself was
>a free-thinker. Capital punishment is also advocated in Shakepeare's
>world which shows
>a clear demarcation between right and wrong. There is no moral
>eqivalence or political
>correctness here. Sexual promiscuity and perversion are frowned upon
>and the traditional family is looked upon as sacrosanct.
By that way of measuring, Jesus was a racist - condoning slavery. You
must judge the behaviour of someone relative to his peers.
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green, http://mindprod.com
Priorities: Prevent global climate destabilisation. End both wars. Prepare for oil shortages.
John McKay
Chom Noamsky wrote:
> I'm thinking of writing neo-Shakespearean play, the main character is a
> right-wing, technologically challenged, pseudo-intellectual Usenet clown
> with a multiple personality disorder. In this play the clown, who goes by
> the identity of 'Erik Trammel', is the subject of a secret study by a
> powerful right-wing political group. They seek to cultivate individuals
> like Erik who unwittingly discredit their own political ideologies, with the
> goal of planting them in opposition parties.
>
> Like a good Shakespearean play it also involves personal loss and tragedy -
> in this case 'Erik' loses his Internet connection and is reduced to raving
> at strangers on a street corner.
Lambourn HAS previously lost his internet connection (for impersonating
others). His family dreads when this occurs because it means they are
forced to listen to his incoherent, booze-fuelled angry rages.
Perspicuous
Roedy Green wrote:
> On 1 Jan 2007 05:55:49 -0800, "Perspicuous" <cice...@rogers.com>
> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>
> >This was, of course, William Shakespeare. Yes, he wrote a long time ago
> >but so what?
> >Shakespeare's greatest play Hamlet endorses Christianity although Pince
> >Hamlet himself was
> >a free-thinker. Capital punishment is also advocated in Shakepeare's
> >world which shows
> >a clear demarcation between right and wrong. There is no moral
> >eqivalence or political
> >correctness here. Sexual promiscuity and perversion are frowned upon
> >and the traditional family is looked upon as sacrosanct.
>
> By that way of measuring, Jesus was a racist - condoning slavery. You
> must judge the behaviour of someone relative to his peers.
Where did Jesus or Shakespeare ever condone slavery? You come on the
Usenet
with outlandish statements with nothing to back them up.
David Deilley
> You come on the Usenet
> with outlandish statements
> with nothing to back them up.
When has that ever bother a blowhard like you, who has made a career of
lying like the town drunk.
David Deilley
> Lambourn HAS previously lost his internet connection (for impersonating
> others). His family dreads when this occurs because it means they are
> forced to listen to his incoherent, booze-fuelled angry rages.
Yes -- it's much easier for the family when John Ross spends all day in
the basement sipping Rye while he mutters at his keyboard and shouts at
the computer screen.