Pro-Life, Pro-Family MP Stockwell Day Still Speaking Up For Life and Family
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and Family
Will be guest speaker at Oct. 3rd pro-life dinner in Walkerton,
Ontario
WALKERTON, Ontario, September 23, 2005 (LifeSiteNews.com) -
Former leader of the Canadian Alliance Party and current Foreign
Affairs Critic for the Official Opposition, Stockwell Day, is
scheduled to be the guest speaker at an October 3rd dinner in
Walkerton, Ontario sponsored by three pro-life organizations.
Business for Life, the main sponsor, along with Campaign Life
Coalition and LifeSiteNews.com unanimously decided to invite
Day, MP for the British Columbia riding of Okanagan-Coquihalla,
to speak at the annual fundraising dinner because of their
admiration for the politician’s outspoken support for life and
family over the years.
Jim Hughes, president of Campaign Life Coalition and a board
member of the pro-life businessmen’s association, says “Day was
invited to speak at the BFL dinner in Walkerton because, despite
the evils which continue to present themselves before the House,
he remains faithful to his calling as an MP and full of hope, a
hope which a lot of our fellow Canadians have given up on.”
Steve Jalsevac, managing director of LifeSiteNews.com and
another BFL board member, states that BFL is enthusiastic about
being able to arrange this special opportunity for Southwestern
Ontario supporters to interact with “one of the more principled
and genuinely pro-life politicians in Canada”. “This whole
effort is completely party blind”, emphasizes Jalsevac, “with
the emphasis being on the man and the issues that are dear to us”.
Business for Life is encouraging supporters to “Come and find
out what needs to be done in light of so many evils attacking
our nation and what role you can play for the future of Canadian
society”.
BFL board member Lisa Hinsperger of Fritz Concrete, advises that
tickets for the event ($35 per person) can be reserved by
calling 519-366-2406 or Campaign Life Coalition at 416-204-9749.
The Monday, Oct. 3rd dinner, which begins at 7 p.m., will take
place at the Knights of Columbus Hall just south of Walkerton.
Stockwell Day Quotes:
Debate on Bill C-250
“The present legislative attempt (Svend Robinson's Bill C-250)
to smother discussion on concerns related to homosexual unions
is insidious, draconian and not worthy of support in a free nation.”
Bill C-38 Marriage Debate
“… certain facts of the nature of the universe, including human
nature itself are so obvious that they are deemed to be
self-evident.”
“It should also be acknowledged that just because a person or a
group demands a certain right, or says that a right exists, does
not mean that the right exists either in relative or absolute
terms just because they demand it.”
“…will we see changes in terminology in our systems of public
registration, for instance, in the use of words like ‘husband’,
‘wife’, ‘father’, ‘mother’, et cetera? Of course, these terms
will gradually dissipate and fall into disuse. It is already
happening in Ontario in the registration systems.”
“… every major human rights declaration in the world, including
the United Nations and the Geneva conventions, also defines
marriage as the heterosexual union between a man and a woman to
the exclusion of all others.”
“I will close with the line out of our anthem, despite what is
going on here and this travesty of justice and democracy, may
‘God keep our land’, and may he keep it ‘strong and free.’”
Abortion, Euthanasia
In his April 28, 2000 speech on social conservatism Day stated
"I believe that all human beings possess an inalienable right to
life. I do not support abortion or euthanasia, and I would
personally favour measures to protect human life in Canadian law."
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Medjugorje Message of August 25, 2005 "Dear children! Also today
I call you to live my messages. God gave you a gift of this time
as a time of grace. Therefore, little children, make good use of
every moment and pray, pray, pray. I bless you all and intercede
before the Most High for each of you. Thank you for having
responded to my call." 08/2005
Sumdunce
@utornnr1pp.grouptelecom.net:
You have done a wonderful job of quoting and doing a C&P from other
sources.
What message are you hoping to convey upon this educated group?
Are you a shill for Stockwell?
Sumdunce
sunshine
ever saw one.
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His revolting veneeer of biblical talk is all a cover. He's really a sex
change job named Wanda from New Orleans here to fuck up our system.
gap...@vcn.bc.ca
"> I wouldn't invite Stockwell Day to a free lunch. A turkey if I
"> ever saw one.
Well, we do know that Harper proved that leader of the opposition is not a Day
job!
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B.L. Zebub
centre with a carton of chocolate milk on live TV!
Ivan Gowch
wrote:
==>Pro-Life, Pro-Family MP Stockwell Day Still Speaking Up For Life
==>and Family
==>
==>Will be guest speaker at Oct. 3rd pro-life dinner in Walkerton,
==>Ontario
==>
==>WALKERTON, Ontario, September 23, 2005 (LifeSiteNews.com) -
==>Former leader of the Canadian Alliance Party and current Foreign
==>Affairs Critic for the Official Opposition, Stockwell Day, is
==>scheduled to be the guest speaker at an October 3rd dinner in
==>Walkerton, Ontario sponsored by three pro-life organizations.
==>
==>Business for Life, the main sponsor, along with Campaign Life
==>Coalition and LifeSiteNews.com unanimously decided to invite
==>Day, MP for the British Columbia riding of Okanagan-Coquihalla,
==>to speak at the annual fundraising dinner because of their
==>admiration for the politician’s outspoken support for life and
==>family over the years.
"An outspoken support for life," eh?
A thoughful person might ask, then, how it
is that Day also supports the government taking
some folks and poisoning, electrocuting or
hanging them to death.
In his speech to launch his candidacy for the Canadian
Alliance leadership, Day is reported to have said, "In
certain cases I do support capital punishment beyond
a shadow of a doubt."
Yes, folks, the Stockboy is a heroic champion of
preconscious blobs of cellular matter, but he has
no problem with killing full-grown people, as long
as they are what he considers bad people.
"In 1994, Stockwell Day allegedly advocated the death
penalty for teenagers convicted of first degree
murder. In 1997, he referred to the notorious
serial-child murderer Clifford Olson . . . Day
advocated that his fellow prisoners be allowed to
murder him. Day said: 'People like myself say, 'Fix
the problem. Put him in the general (prison)
population. The moral prisoners will deal with it in
a way which we don't have the nerve to do.'"'
[http://www.religioustolerance.org/poli_crel.htm]
So there you go. Stockcar Day, hero of
fetus-worshippers and hailed by LieSite
poobah Steve Jalsevac as "one of the more
principled and genuinely pro-life politicians
in Canada," believes it would be "moral" for
some prisoners to be allowed murder
another.
Imagine waking up the day after a federal election
and finding that Stockyard Day is your new
attorney general.
The mind wobbles.*
Thanks, LieSiteNews.com, for reminding us why
we should never allow Day, Harper or any of their
foul ilk anywhere near the levers of power.
*with apologies to Kelly Bundy.
Bolton Shafter
One of these doctors Mr. Jim Snapper M.D. gave interview to Calgary Herald
and mentioned that
"It is not a big deal since for example in the Jewish State they cut them
off no questions asked" This newly discovered fenomena gave rise to huge
line ups at local Dyck Insurance office on Crowchild Trail SW.
We asked Ms. Alfonsa Ekspektada one of the persons in line, an Italian
living in Calgary, why is she going to spend thousands of dollars to insure
her fetuse's organ "if I am never to have grandchildren than at least my
boy will get $1,000,000.00 in settlement fees" she answered.
Never mind VISAS for hookers. In the view of what is going on in Calgary
Hospitals the minister of immigration will soon be issuing Visas for fuckers
as the penisless populatiopn of Canadian boys explodes!
How many of such disfigured bastards are walking among us already remains a
secret since the cutoffs will never talk about it?
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> Stockwell was fired from his job as leader of the party
You were fired from the sperm bank for drinking on the job, jeremy
topposter. What is your point, loser?
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> A thoughful person might ask, then, how it
> is that Day also supports the government taking
> some folks and poisoning, electrocuting or
> hanging them to death.
You can be a "supporter of life" and still support the death penalty.
Personally, I think Day is a joke but I also am a proponent of the death
penalty.
After all, what better way to be a "supporter of life" than to remove
those that threaten it?
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B.L. Zebub
following contradictory nonsense:
> You can be a "supporter of life" and still support the death penalty.
> Personally, I think Day is a joke but I also am a proponent of the death
> penalty.
Please spare us from your violent impulses.
Ivan Gowch
<Top_Poster@the_REAL_Top_Poster....com> wrote:
==> You can be a "supporter of life" and still support the death penalty.
Only if you are also a flaming hypocrite.
==>Personally, I think Day is a joke but I also am a proponent of the death
==>penalty.
What a shock! That's because you are a flaming
hypocrite, as well as a moron.
gap...@vcn.bc.ca
IG> ==> You can be a "supporter of life" and still support the death penal
IG>
IG> Only if you are also a flaming hypocrite.
No, there's a point there -- having the death penalty for convicted
first-degree murderers affirms the value of the lives of their victims and
affirms the value of lives in general(that they should not be taken without due
cause)
B.L. Zebub
> No, there's a point there -- having the death penalty for convicted
> first-degree murderers affirms the value of the lives of their victims
> and affirms the value of lives in general(that they should not be taken
> without due cause)
There is no such thing as 'due cause' in this case. Willfully ending the
life of another autonomous, sentient, breathing human being is an act of
murder. Period. Full stop. Without exception.
No willful death can affirm the value of another person's life - even that
of a murder victim. The only true outcome is you then have two homicides as
opposed to one. Two wrongs will never equal a right - no matter how much
the religious lunatic fringe and assorted other neo-cons try to mangle the
truth.
The bottom line is this: Anyone claiming to be 'pro-life' while endorsing
either the death penalty or illegal genocidal wars (such as is happening in
Iraq) is by definition the foulest form of hypocrite and doesn't deserve to
be listened to, much less taken seriously.
magneto
> No willful death can affirm the value of another person's life - even that
> of a murder victim.
> The only true outcome is you then have two homicides as
> opposed to one. Two wrongs will never equal a right -
Just to test your integrity, you would never think of sending a serial
cop killer to death row, right?
> no matter how much
> the religious lunatic fringe and assorted other neo-cons try to mangle the
> truth.
And you are an expert on absolute truth, I suppose?
Inge
Life for a murderer.
Which would you choose if they had to stay in your house?
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approaching normal intelligence. As such you are disqualified from
participating in discourse with normal folk.
Siobhan Medeiros
> "Ivan Gowch" <the_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:bp7ej11b0n5l6edr5...@4ax.com...
>
> > A thoughful person might ask, then, how it
> > is that Day also supports the government taking
> > some folks and poisoning, electrocuting or
> > hanging them to death.
>
> You can be a "supporter of life" and still support the death penalty.
> Personally, I think Day is a joke but I also am a proponent of the death
> penalty.
>
> After all, what better way to be a "supporter of life" than to remove
> those that threaten it?
>
>
So lock them up. That way you get what you want without taking the
risk of killing innocent people.
That off course will be the refrain of the rightoids - "but we're
talking about killing murderers, zygotes are innocent". The problem
is, the system being far from infallible, history shows that you can't
have a death penalty without killing innocent people every once in a
while. So when you advocate the death penalty, you are advocating the
murder of innocent people.
Siobhan Medeiros
> Life for an innocent preborn baby.
> Life for a murderer.
> Which would you choose if they had to stay in your house?
>
>
Wrong choice. The actual choice is between an innocent preborn,and an
innocent person. Because if you have a death penalty, sooner or later
you're going to kill an innocent person.
dad@hell.comm Ivan's Dad
Land sakes ALIVE, Ivan - boy!! You are without a doubt the
dumbest asshole to EVER curse us with your presence. Take the
time to read the man's post THEN spew your hate-filled
rhetoric if you *must*. The problem with you Ivan, is that
you possess only about 1/3 of the intelligence you try to give
yourself credit for.
Posts like the one above will forever cement your position as
the biggest flaming idiot-bitch on Usenet.
Right now, after reading both sides of this discussion, I feel
pity for you.
Say you're sorry now and try to salvage a *little* of the
credibility you just lost.
love, Dad.
>
>
>
dad@hell.comm Ivan's Dad
> IG> ==> You can be a "supporter of life" and still
> support the death penal
> IG>
> IG> Only if you are also a flaming hypocrite.
>
> No, there's a point there -- having the death penalty for
> convicted
> first-degree murderers affirms the value of the lives of
> their victims and
> affirms the value of lives in general(that they should not
> be taken without due
> cause)
Agreed, Mr. Pope. The sanctity of life is preserved by
the permanent removal of those that threaten it. Ivan is
somewhow projecting his apparent hatred of babies into this
debate and, in so doing, has humiliated himself terribly. It
appears that Ivan has *not* been taking his meds and he _so_
desperately needs them, it seems.
IG's D
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or father of the mother). . .
Punishment for the willful killing of a person was death, with no monetary
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"Inge" <in...@interel.ca> wrote:
"> Life for an innocent preborn baby.
"> Life for a murderer.
"> Which would you choose if they had to stay in your house?
">
">
"> <gap...@vcn.bc.ca> wrote in message news:dh9ib1$c6t$1...@vcn.bc.ca...
"> > Ivan Gowch <the_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"> > IG> ==> You can be a "supporter of life" and still support the death
"> > penal
"> > IG>
"> > IG> Only if you are also a flaming hypocrite.
"> >
"> > No, there's a point there -- having the death penalty for convicted
"> > first-degree murderers affirms the value of the lives of their victims a
"> > affirms the value of lives in general(that they should not be taken
"> > without due
"> > cause)
"> >
"> >
"> > --
"> >
"> > Because I care,
"> >
"> > |<+]::-( ("Cyberpope," the Bishop of ROM!)
"> >
"> > (Please quote with "gapope wrote...")
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"> > In non-essentials, liberty;
"> > in all things, charity. -- Baxter quoting Augustine
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"> > from gapope(at)vcn(dot)bc(dot)ca << Official Reply Address for Usenet Po
"> > .
Top Posting Jeremy
Congratulations, Ivan, you have been trolled by a Top Pisser. We are a small,
close-knit group of homosexual dominant men who drive around in a van looking
for other men we refer to as 'bottom bitches'. We kidnap them and urinate on
them in the back of the van, which has no windows. Then we drop them off on
the other side of town completely soaked. We never get caught because our
victims are too ashamed to tell anyone what has happened to them.
In article <HL3_e.275796$tt5.127959@edtnps90>, Ivan'sd...@hell.comm says...
notritenoteri
moral or ethical code. It says nothing as to the virtues of a particular
code. Lad the Impairer was apparently was overloaded with integrity when it
came to "honouring" his code of impailing people he didn't like.
Are you trying to argue that one killing of a particluar human is more
important that another? What has the status of the victims or the number
have to do with the henousness of the offence? Are you tryng to impy that
cops are worth more on the scale of "values of human lives" than other
humans? If you are what is your basis for this claim? Cops and other
authoirity figures put on their pants the same as the rest of us one leg at
a time. There are honnest cops dishonnest cops dumb ones smart ones and all
the other attrivbutes, good and bad of the human race.
What reason do you have to put forth that a victim was of value except to a
very few who might have known him or her? If you are religious why are yo
not demanding the execution of god for using leukemia to terminate
terminating the life of some 6 year old who has done nothing bad to no-one?
The reality is that while I feel a certain amount of regret or sadness at
the death of someone who I don't know, it has very little impact on my life
just as my death will have very little impact on other than those who knew
me. I can't get steamed up about people like Karla Homulka or Paul
Bernardo. I don't believe they should ever be permitted back in society but
I don't think killing them will achieve anything for anybody. This is
despite the claims of the certain individuals about "closure", etc., etc.
You believe what you want but there is no such thing as closure, only time,
which dulls the loss.
B.L is correct 2 wrongs don't make a right. If you want to participate in
old testament justice go to some country with a religious based government.
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>
> Congratulations, Ivan, you have been trolled by a Top
> Pisser. We are a small,
> close-knit group of homosexual dominant men who drive around
> in a van looking
> for other men we refer to as 'bottom bitches'. We kidnap
> them and urinate on
> them in the back of the van, which has no windows. Then we
> drop them off on
> the other side of town completely soaked. We never get
> caught because our
> victims are too ashamed to tell anyone what has happened to
> them.
BOO-YAH!!!!
Juwanna_Mann
I see you stopped posting your racist hatred stuff, Jeremy.
What's the matter? Someone report you?
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magneto
> What a puerile question. Integrity means --Steadfast adherence to a strict
> moral or ethical code. It says nothing as to the virtues of a particular
> code. Lad the Impairer was apparently was overloaded with integrity when it
> came to "honouring" his code of impailing people he didn't like.
You wrote all that because I used the word integrity?
> Are you trying to argue that one killing of a particluar human is more
> important that another? What has the status of the victims or the number
> have to do with the henousness of the offence? Are you tryng to impy that
> cops are worth more on the scale of "values of human lives" than other
> humans? If you are what is your basis for this claim?
Did your wife forget to change your diaper this morning? Go back and
read my other posts and you'll recall how I feel about our beloved
legalized mafia. I posed the question to see if BL had a different
logic to apply when it came to killing them.
> If you are religious why are yo
> not demanding the execution of god for using leukemia to terminate
> terminating the life of some 6 year old who has done nothing bad to no-one?
Are you implying God murdered an innocent 6 year old via leukemia? Or
are you mad that you don't live in a heaven-on-earth environment where
no one ever gets sick?
> I can't get steamed up about people like Karla Homulka or Paul
> Bernardo. I don't believe they should ever be permitted back in society but
> I don't think killing them will achieve anything for anybody.
Well let's use your everything-boils-down-to-money theory and note that
someone has to pay to keep them alive while they're in prison. From
that view you could say they should only be kept alive if they are
doing work for society from behind bars to pay off their
cost-of-living.
You're a true left-wing extremist if you feel that proven murderers
should retain their right to live while at the same time denying that
same right to innocent unborn children.
> B.L is correct 2 wrongs don't make a right. If you want to participate in
> old testament justice go to some country with a religious based government.
Where did I say I supported the "eye for an eye" judgement? You are so
predictable it's not funny. To you, everyone who believes in God must
be some right-wing extremist who cares only about the political power
of a legalistic religion (considering you're in love with the catholic
church) and uses the word "faith" as a cover.
Ivan Gowch
[snip]
==>No, there's a point there -- having the death penalty for convicted
==>first-degree murderers affirms the value of the lives of their victims and
==>affirms the value of lives in general(that they should not be taken without due
==>cause)
"Killing people affirms life."
Now there's a brilliant example of double-think
worthy of George Orwell, and one that could only be
seriously advanced by a neo-con ashhole like you.
Ivan Gowch
==>Life for an innocent preborn baby.
"Innocent?" What do you mean, "innocent?"
Aren't you a Christian? Don't Christians believe
that humans are born in a state of "original sin"
because Eve tasted a piece of fruit offered her by
a snake and humans must repent to expiate that sin
so they can ascend to Heaven?
If you're a Christian, you can't believe fetuses are
innocent. Your own religion teaches that they're tiny
sinners. So why weep such copious crocodile tears
at the destruction of unborn, unconscious little
sinners that are already damned before they take
their first breath unless they ask foregiveness
for something they never did?
Seems you don't know the tenets of your own faith
very well, Inge.
And how pathetic is that?
Inge
when born they are innocent.
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notritenoteri
put into gently rebuking you has not resulted in any improvement your to
intellectual output.
There are no such thing as unborn children. I'll pay my share of the freight
that is required to keep evil (for lack of a better word) people off the
street. I have stated I believe there are some people who would do the world
a favour by becoming dead but I'm not going to be the one to either put them
in that state or recommend that someone else do so.
I'm not implying I'm claiming you prove that he/she/it didn't invent
leukemia to kill six year olds. Its a conspiracy by god to punish little
children and there evil parents we just don't know why.
You didn't say an eye for an eye that I can recall but that doesn't mean you
don't support the tenets of the old testament. If you believe in a god you
are dumber than I thought which is damn difficult but not impossible as you
seem to have just proven.
I have absolutely no love for the RCC or any other church they're all frauds
who feast on people's vulnerabilities.
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they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If
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the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous
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Inge Lauzon Christ II
>On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:52:44 -0230, "Inge" <in...@interel.ca> wrote:
>
>==>Life for an innocent preborn baby.
>
> "Innocent?" What do you mean, "innocent?"
And a spermatozoa is a preborn preborn baby! That's why masturbation should
be against the law! One day, when Christian Fundamentalist Fanatics rule us
all (as God says he wants), it will be so!
Inge
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Opus-
thusly:
>Babies are. You fairy tale book may say that.
If babies are indeed innocent, then your god murders the innocent.
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> parents are responsible until children reach an age of accountability. thus
> when born they are innocent.
>
Why are you willing to kill innocent people so you can have a death
penalty, Inge?
Ivan Gowch
wrote:
==>Congratulations, Ivan, you have been trolled by a Top Pisser.
He's not the first, won't be the last, and is
certainly not the brightest.
I don't feed trolls.
Ivan Gowch
IG:
==>> On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:52:44 -0230, "Inge" <in...@interel.ca> wrote:
==>> ==>Life for an innocent preborn baby.
IG:
==>> "Innocent?" What do you mean, "innocent?"
==>>
==>> Aren't you a Christian? Don't Christians believe
==>> that humans are born in a state of "original sin"
==>> because Eve tasted a piece of fruit offered her by
==>> a snake and humans must repent to expiate that sin
==>> so they can ascend to Heaven?
==>>
==>> If you're a Christian, you can't believe fetuses are
==>> innocent. Your own religion teaches that they're tiny
==>> sinners. So why weep such copious crocodile tears
==>> at the destruction of unborn, unconscious little
==>> sinners that are already damned before they take
==>> their first breath unless they ask foregiveness
==>> for something they never did?
==>>
==>> Seems you don't know the tenets of your own faith
==>> very well, Inge.
==>>
==>> And how pathetic is that?
On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 17:28:24 -0230, "Inge," confused, befuddled
and self-servingly dishonest, wrote:
==>parents are responsible until children reach an age of accountability. thus
==>when born they are innocent.
So you've rejected one of the principal beliefs of
your own faith, right, Inge?
Even though the Christian church has taught for
more than 1,000 years that humans are born in
sin, you don' teenk so.
No surprise. You religio-fascists are ever prepared
to cherry-pick those parts of the Bible you like, and
conveniently ignore and deny those you don't.
And that's what makes you all such blatant, flaming
hypocrites, and what has pushed your primitive and
childish religion into ever-greater disrepute.
Again, how pathetic is it that a professional
Christian proselytizer like you can be so easily
shown up to be laughably ignorant about your
own religion by an atheist like me?
--
Where religion rules, truth is an outlaw.
-Ivan Gowch
gap...@vcn.bc.ca
IG> ==>No, there's a point there -- having the death penalty for convicted
IG> ==>first-degree murderers affirms the value of the lives of their victims
IG> ==>affirms the value of lives in general(that they should not be taken wit
IG> ue
IG> ==>cause)
IG>
IG> "Killing people affirms life."
IG>
IG> Now there's a brilliant example of double-think
IG> worthy of George Orwell, and one that could only be
IG> seriously advanced by a neo-con ashhole like you.
Lemme run a scenario by you:
You witness someone kill 3 other people then he comes after you, with a clear
intent to kill you also -- is it wrong of you to kill him?
Killing him would affirm your life.
Not killing him would invalidate your life & make meaningless the other 3
deaths. (rather than their deaths serving as your defense/justification for
excising a cancerous cell in Humanity!)
Ivan Gowch
[snip]
==>IG> "Killing people affirms life."
==>IG>
==>IG> Now there's a brilliant example of double-think
==>IG> worthy of George Orwell, and one that could only be
==>IG> seriously advanced by a neo-con ashhole like you.
==>Lemme run a scenario by you:
Oh, by all means, do.
==>You witness someone kill 3 other people then he comes after you, with a clear
==>intent to kill you also -- is it wrong of you to kill him?
No. And if I do, it would be self-defence,
not capital punishment.
The fact that I have to point this out to you
should be all the confirmation anyone requires
that you're a moron.
==>Killing him would affirm your life.
No. It might "save" my life, but hardly "affirm"
it. Your mendacious, irrational insistence that
the state's coldly and dispassionately putting
a person to death is somehow "life affirming" is all
the confirmation anyone requires that you're a
deceitful, propaganda-spewing bullshit
artist.
gap...@vcn.bc.ca
IG> ==>You witness someone kill 3 other people then he comes after you, with a
IG> ==>intent to kill you also -- is it wrong of you to kill him?
IG>
IG> No. And if I do, it would be self-defence,
IG> not capital punishment.
IG>
IG> The fact that I have to point this out to you
IG> should be all the confirmation anyone requires
IG> that you're a moron.
IG>
IG> ==>Killing him would affirm your life.
IG>
IG> No. It might "save" my life, but hardly "affirm"
IG> it. Your mendacious, irrational insistence that
IG> the state's coldly and dispassionately putting
IG> a person to death is somehow "life affirming" is all
IG> the confirmation anyone requires that you're a
IG> deceitful, propaganda-spewing bullshit
IG> artist.
call it as you prefer, but I see it as life affirming to guarantee a known
murderer does not commit any more murders!
And I'd rather it be dispassionately done by the state than revert to the
passion of blood vengeance by family members!
Ivan Gowch
[snip]
IG:
==>Your mendacious, irrational insistence that
==> the state's coldly and dispassionately putting
==> a person to death is somehow "life affirming" is all
==> the confirmation anyone requires that you're a
==> deceitful, propaganda-spewing bullshit
==> artist.
==>call it as you prefer, but I see it as life affirming to guarantee a known
==>murderer does not commit any more murders!
I know you do. But that's because you're a dolt,
as well as a hypocrite.
==>And I'd rather it be dispassionately done by the state
==>than revert to the passion of blood vengeance by family
==>members!
"I'm sorry -- I'm just too well-versed in
social/political world history to have
any trust where the government is concerned!"
-gapope, Fri, 12 Dec 2003.
It seems you don't trust government to do anything
-- except to kill certain people who you believe
need killing. Then you have all the trust in the
world.
You are a hypocrite and a fuzzyminded fool who
can't even keep track of his own opinions.
Thanks for the chuckle.
B.L. Zebub
> call it as you prefer, but I see it as life affirming to guarantee a
> known murderer does not commit any more murders!
Killing someone (even a person who themselves has taken a life) never
'affirms life'. It in fact completely devalues it. I feel quite
comfortable about stating this as absolute fact.
> And I'd rather it be dispassionately done by the state than revert to
> the passion of blood vengeance by family members!
It is still blood vengeance, and all the worse in that it is occurring by
proxy, frequently years after the fact, and it is being carried out
against someone who has already been rendered helpless and who has been
completely devalued. It is the ultimate act of cowardice and abusive
power (note I don't refer to 'abuse of' power).
A victim's loved ones can be understood for harbouring such a level of
rage, even if violent retribution on their part can't be condoned.
OTOH. the government is so physically and emotionally abstracted from
such events that no justification for moral outrage can be offered on its
part. It is about power - pure and simple. No other explanation makes any
sense.
In the end, the only clear message capital punishment conveys is that
deadly force is an acceptable way of resolving difficult issues - exactly
the opposite of the claimed intended outcome.
No government should be allowed to claim life-and-death power over its
citizens. Quite the opposite should be true - since governments of any
kind exist at the sufferance of the citizenship, it is the citizenship's
prerogative to decide whether a specific government (or model of
governance) has the privilege of continued existence.
And we shouldn't have to wait 'X' number of years until an election rolls
around for this to happen - some effective mechanism for firing the
bastards on the spot needs to be developed.
A clear employer/employee relationship needs to be established between
the citizenship and elected public servants. We hire these people, we
pay them - ergo, we are entitled to much greater ongoing control over
their activities. Accountability should be 24/7/365 - not just at
election time.
Perhaps what could work is to establish a truly independent, civilian
ethics watchdog; one with real legal teeth. This should be chosen by
lottery from the ranks of ordinary interested citizens who submit their
names for consideration, and rotate its membership frequently (say,
annually).
The role of these people would be to attend and observe all working
sessions of government (including caucus and cabinet meetings), generally
evaluate the performance and activities of elected public employees, keep
the rest of the citizenship up to date through frequent media releases,
public meetings, etc. and be empowered to petition the courts at any time
to recommend recall/removal of any elected public employee (to be
finalized by a binding referendum held in the employee's own electoral
district).
On a less immediate scale, it should also be empowered to recommend that
any elected public employee who fails to meet minimum performance
standards be deemed inelegible to seek re-election; or (acting through
the courts or the G.G.'s office) be empowered to recommend a forensic
audit or even a criminal investigation where warranted.
As well, governments need to be legally barred from making any decisions
or creating any policies that can be clearly demonstrated as posing a
severe risk to the life, well-being or standard of living of even a
single human being - meaning *any* human being; not just those who meet
some impossible, arbitrary, abstract moral standard.
That would mean (quite simply) any government actions ranging from
cutting off the source of someone's livelihood to re-instating capital
punishment (or ordering the removal of someone to any country where
judicial homicides are part of the legal code) would become unlawful.
If you want to talk about 'affirming life' then let's *really* affirm it.
Near as I can tell, even supposed 'democracies' are for the most part run
by psychopaths who place no value on anything beyond maximumizing their
own level of power and influence. This needs to change.
To sum it up quite simply, Stockwell Day is a mentally unbalanced
religious extremist who has no rightful place in the country's political
life. We can do very well without his brand of contradictory, extremist
doctrine, thank you very much.
notritenoteri
I do like your comment about Stockboy and I agree 1000% about capital
punishment. I'm not too sure about the instant firing routine though. As
someone said there are always at least two versions of the facts even eye
witnesses disagree. Also to be considered is that sometimes it is very
difficult to distinguish between malfeasance and stupidity.
I've often wondered if the advocates of capital punishment had to personally
stick the knife in if they would be so keen then I think of all the jocks
that love to go out in the fall and blow the shit out of some creature that
they don't even need for food just for the sheer joy of killing it. They
call it sport but I think that's just a cover for a character flaw.
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That makes sense. Unfortunately, "making sense" is not
high on Ivan's list of priorities.
Save your breath. The "flaming left" will fuck things
up royally and will eventually need to be saved from
themselves. This is how things work in Canada. Even the
morons that kiss and cuddle criminals and scrape live babies
from the womb will eventually tire of the bullshit. They will
suddenly stampede en masse to the polls to try and silence
their nagging consciences.
Don't look for this to happen in the near future, however.
The mindless and drooling undead that populate the GTA are on
an anti-American kick right now because of GWB.
Sheeples indeed.
Top Poster
> On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 14:45:20 +0000 (UTC), gap...@vcn.bc.ca
> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> IG:
> ==>Your mendacious, irrational insistence that
> ==> the state's coldly and dispassionately putting
> ==> a person to death is somehow "life affirming" is all
> ==> the confirmation anyone requires that you're a
> ==> deceitful, propaganda-spewing bullshit
> ==> artist.
>
> ==>call it as you prefer, but I see it as life affirming to
> guarantee a known
> ==>murderer does not commit any more murders!
>
> I know you do. But that's because you're a dolt,
> as well as a hypocrite.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Anyone that disagrees with this simple-minded idiot is
always deemed a "hypocrite".
What a blockhead.
gap...@vcn.bc.ca
IG> ==>And I'd rather it be dispassionately done by the state
IG> ==>than revert to the passion of blood vengeance by family
IG> ==>members!
IG>
IG> "I'm sorry -- I'm just too well-versed in
IG> social/political world history to have
IG> any trust where the government is concerned!"
IG> -gapope, Fri, 12 Dec 2003.
IG>
IG> It seems you don't trust government to do anything
IG> -- except to kill certain people who you believe
IG> need killing. Then you have all the trust in the
IG> world.
There's a difference in "courts" and "government" -- perhaps you missed that
chapter in Grade 8 Social Studies?
Ivan Gowch
==>Ivan Gowch <the_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
==>IG> ==>And I'd rather it be dispassionately done by the state
==>IG> ==>than revert to the passion of blood vengeance by family
==>IG> ==>members!
==>IG>
==>IG> "I'm sorry -- I'm just too well-versed in
==>IG> social/political world history to have
==>IG> any trust where the government is concerned!"
==>IG> -gapope, Fri, 12 Dec 2003.
==>IG>
==>IG> It seems you don't trust government to do anything
==>IG> -- except to kill certain people who you believe
==>IG> need killing. Then you have all the trust in the
==>IG> world.
==>There's a difference in "courts" and "government"
Nice missing of the point.
And how are the courts not a part of government?
Gee, you're a jerk.