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Mar 16, 2001, 12:13:46 PM3/16/01
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Associated Corporate Consultants, Inc. A leader in training development
since 1973 is now offering computer forensics certification through our
online course.

For details, prices and registration information:

http://www.accusa.com/

Thank you for your time.


Fred Mitchell

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Mar 27, 2001, 4:41:10 AM3/27/01
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Admin wrote:

> Associated Corporate Consultants, Inc. A leader in training development
> since 1973 is now offering computer forensics certification through our
> online course.
>
> For details, prices and registration information:
>
> http://www.accusa.com/

I read their sample course, and I am annoyed at how they define "hacker".
They basically criminalize that term.

I am sorry. I am a hacker, and yet I have never broken into a single
computer system. The true definition of "hacker" is someone who loves and
do wonderful things with computers. The media has turned what was a
wonderful into something derogatory. And now law enforcement, it would
seem, also defines "hacker" as a criminal type.

I protest. I was a hacker long, LONG before it became a household word,
before the media had a chance to corrupt that term, and I will remain a
hacker until the day I die. My latest efforts include hacking Linux
systems. I love Linux. MUCH more powerful than even Windows 2000, and more
stable too. And, I don't have to pay through the nose for software and
network capabilities, something Microsoft tries to nickel and dime you on.
To boot, the source code for Linux is freely available, and I can really
and truly do some low-level hacking if I wanted to. Can't even dream of
doing the same with W2K.

As far as breaking into computer systems, I don't have the time for that
crap, and it doesn't interest me. Can you say, "boring", boys and girls? I
already know security on most systems is an afterthought, and the
corporation or government agency that does not take security concerns
seriously get what they deserve. If security is taken into consideration up
front, then it is easy to implement. It is a devil to try to retrofit
existing non-secure systems to make them secure, however. Hopefully,
everyone has wizened up and are currently taking the proper procedures.
Somehow, I doubt it, though.

"Cracker" is someone who breaks into computer systems -- whether they
intend harm or not. Those who call themselves "Hackers" who are actually
crackers do not deserve that term, and are largely responsible for turning
"hacker" into a pejorative. Please shoot such crackers on sight! :-)

As for taking other people's money, I have legal ways of doing that. No
need to embezzle anyone. I take other people's money every day quite
effectively and legally. The old adage of "a fool and his money are soon
parted" is quite true. And I do so with just a few clicks of the mouse. Get
them nearly every time. And my tools for doing so are only getting better
over time. Created single-handedly by my unique set of "hacking" skills.
Legal and squeaky clean. Poor fools. But they know the rules of the game.

-Fred
22-year hacker, and damned proud of it!


Rob St.Denis

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Mar 27, 2001, 5:58:22 AM3/27/01
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That may be your definition , but the widely accepted one is a person who
gains access to a computer system or the information on it by illegal means.

As far as the "ultimate power of linux" is concerned, get real kid, linux
although being how old is still in its infancy. It doesn't support USB
properly, or any other pnp devices for that matter. Not to mention the
install program sucks ass. It adds I dunno how many different text editors
as a standard. I don't need joe, ed, emac, gtext, gnotepad etc etc etc etc
... one would be fine

As far as when those so called "hackers" ( I used to call 'em 12 year olds
on their daddies computers, and it stillstands today) who try to "hack"
(comes from hatchetting, or using brute force to gain entry) are an
annoyance to say the least. For the most part, gaining access to a system
requires either inside knowledge (dial up numbers, usernames, passwords etc)
or the time to brute force access. Dial up is easy, since 99.999999% will
disconnect you after 3 tries. This forces you to call back, and when we see
the same number (which is not of someone who should have access to the
system) on the box over and over. We send an officer over to see whats up.
I don't care how cool you think you are ... the only way to get passed a
telnet sername: and assword: is by brute forcing it. No secret "hacker"
chants will make it happen faster.

--
Rob St.Denis

Telecommunications Technician
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Mar 27, 2001, 6:17:47 AM3/27/01
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> I read their sample course, and I am annoyed at how they define "hacker".
> They basically criminalize that term.

[snip]

Sorry I cut off the rest of the rant, but I just had to save the group from
seeing
that again.

You may consider yourself a "hacker", and that's fine. But taking a post on
computer forensics certs, and turning it around to all about _you_, is just
egocentric...off topic...and since "alt.fan.fred" isn't included in the rather
extensive list of newsgroups, it might also be considered spam.

William Hugh Murray

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Mar 27, 2001, 1:18:34 PM3/27/01
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Fred Mitchell wrote:

I will not go there.


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