For Your Viewing Pleasure
John Fleming
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=aBQh4_9mrlw
I don't think they will get more than one or two seats, but
I can't fauilt them for trying. And they do seem to be
having a lot of fun on the campaign trail.
--
John Fleming
Edmonton, Canada
Old MacDonald had a farm E-I-E-I-O
And on that farm he had a genome E-I-E-I-O
With a SNP SNP here and a SNP SNP there,
Here a SNP, there a SNP, everywhere a SNP SNP
Old MacDonald had a farm E-I-E-I-O
Matthew Kruk
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>
> http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=aBQh4_9mrlw
>
> I don't think they will get more than one or two seats, but
> I can't fauilt them for trying. And they do seem to be
> having a lot of fun on the campaign trail.
She is such a stupid person. Green my butt. Left of NDP.
John Fleming
the scriptorium "Matthew Kruk" <Matthe...@Telus.net>
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> $> http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=aBQh4_9mrlw
> $>
> $> I don't think they will get more than one or two seats, but
> $> I can't fauilt them for trying. And they do seem to be
> $> having a lot of fun on the campaign trail.
> $
> $She is such a stupid person. Green my butt. Left of NDP.
At the same time, I think she's done a lot to increase the
Green Party's profile.
Of course, with the Greens getting the coverage they are, it
splits the vote on the left three ways.
Of the three parties on the left, I think the NDP has run
the best campaign. The Greens have been a bit lower
profile, but then they are smaller. The Liberals are
running the poorest campaign of the three.
John Fleming
the scriptorium "Matthew Kruk" <Matthe...@Telus.net>
wrote:
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> $> http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=aBQh4_9mrlw
> $>
> $> I don't think they will get more than one or two seats, but
> $> I can't fauilt them for trying. And they do seem to be
> $> having a lot of fun on the campaign trail.
> $
> $She is such a stupid person. Green my butt. Left of NDP.
BTW, whether you agree with the message or not, this one is
good for a chuckle.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=9k1Ic3ooCn8
Matthew Kruk
> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 03:24:33 GMT, while chained to a desk in
> the scriptorium "Matthew Kruk" <Matthe...@Telus.net>
> wrote:
>
>> $"John Fleming" <nos...@sprynet.com> wrote in message
>> $news:er0je49a6fi7pu6i4...@4ax.com...
>> $>
>> $> http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=aBQh4_9mrlw
>> $>
>> $> I don't think they will get more than one or two seats, but
>> $> I can't fauilt them for trying. And they do seem to be
>> $> having a lot of fun on the campaign trail.
>> $
>> $She is such a stupid person. Green my butt. Left of NDP.
>
> At the same time, I think she's done a lot to increase the
> Green Party's profile.
>
> Of course, with the Greens getting the coverage they are, it
> splits the vote on the left three ways.
>
> Of the three parties on the left, I think the NDP has run
> the best campaign. The Greens have been a bit lower
> profile, but then they are smaller. The Liberals are
> running the poorest campaign of the three.
Good points. Agreed. Liberals are really undoing themselves.
John Fleming
the scriptorium "Matthew Kruk" <Matthe...@Telus.net>
wrote:
> $"John Fleming" <nos...@sprynet.com> wrote in message
> $> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 03:24:33 GMT, while chained to a desk in
> $> the scriptorium "Matthew Kruk" <Matthe...@Telus.net>
> $> wrote:
> $>
> $>> $"John Fleming" <nos...@sprynet.com> wrote in message
> $>> $news:er0je49a6fi7pu6i4...@4ax.com...
> $>> $>
> $>> $> http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=aBQh4_9mrlw
> $>> $>
> $>> $> I don't think they will get more than one or two seats, but
> $>> $> having a lot of fun on the campaign trail.
> $>> $
> $>> $She is such a stupid person. Green my butt. Left of NDP.
> $> At the same time, I think she's done a lot to increase the
> $> Green Party's profile.
> $>
> $> Of course, with the Greens getting the coverage they are, it
> $> splits the vote on the left three ways.
> $>
> $> Of the three parties on the left, I think the NDP has run
> $> the best campaign. The Greens have been a bit lower
> $> profile, but then they are smaller. The Liberals are
> $> running the poorest campaign of the three.
> $
> $Good points. Agreed. Liberals are really undoing themselves.
This evening I paid the websites of the five major parties
a visit.
The first thing you see when you visit the Liberal one is a
pile of crap about the Harper Bogeyman.
You visit the Conservative site and one of the first things
you see is a pile of crap about the Dion Bogeyman.
The NDP has a site that focuses on what the NDP would do if
they formed the government.
The Greens have a site that focuses on what the Greens stand
for.
I can't really comment on the BQ site because it is only in
French and my French leaves a bit to be desired.
John Fleming
in the scriptorium Ian Campbell <ian.cam...@rogers.com>
wrote:> $> I don't think they will get more than one or two seats, but
> $> I can't fauilt them for trying. And they do seem to be
> $> having a lot of fun on the campaign trail.
> $>
> $I like her too. The English debate put her in a great position, where she
> $was the only one who said things that were not simply political party spin,
> $talking points and partisan polemic. I'm happy that her party earned the
> $right to be in the debate because she was refreshing to hear.
The Greens have a bit of an advantage that way in that they
aren't trying to be the government. They are trying to get
an MP or two elected. (To date, the only MP they've had
crossed the floor in the HoC.)
Result is they can spend less time saying things they think
the voters want to hear and can spend more time on what they
really stand for.
> $Not shabby for the only American born politician in the band!
John Fleming
in the scriptorium Ian Campbell <ian.cam...@rogers.com>
wrote:
> $John Fleming <nos...@sprynet.com> wrote:
> $> the scriptorium "Matthew Kruk" <Matthe...@Telus.net>
> $> wrote:
> $>
> $> > $"John Fleming" <nos...@sprynet.com> wrote in message
> $> > $>
> $> > $>
> $> > $> I don't think they will get more than one or two seats, but
> $> > $> having a lot of fun on the campaign trail.
> $> > $
> $> > $She is such a stupid person. Green my butt. Left of NDP.
> $> At the same time, I think she's done a lot to increase the
> $> Green Party's profile.
> $>
> $> splits the vote on the left three ways.
> $>
> $> Of the three parties on the left, I think the NDP has run
> $> the best campaign. The Greens have been a bit lower
> $> profile, but then they are smaller. The Liberals are
> $> running the poorest campaign of the three.
> $>
> $You should read up on the variations of the "Green Party".
> $
> $The one that ruled Germany for a time is not the same as the one that she
> $represents, and the various ideas of the "Green Party" flow from all sides of
> $the political spectrum.
I wasn't aware the Greens had ever formed a government in
Germany.
Anyway, I've read the platform of the Canadian Greens, and
there are some things in their platform that I like. There
are also some things in their platform I don't like.
> $Some Green Parties are very libertarian, others are very liberal, some even
> $socialist. Then there are the ones who are centrist and whatnot.
Matthew Kruk
Green Shit. Green Shift. Tomaytoe, tomahtoe.
> You visit the Conservative site and one of the first things
> you see is a pile of crap about the Dion Bogeyman.
I see a picture of a clueless Dion. Truth in advertising.
> The NDP has a site that focuses on what the NDP would do if
> they formed the government.
Orange and Green make me want to barf. I'm surprised he knows which end of
a paddle to use in a canoe.
> The Greens have a site that focuses on what the Greens stand
> for.
Environmental champion? I give her a point for Sierra Club and the fact
they support Obama.
John Fleming
in the scriptorium Ian Campbell <ian.cam...@rogers.com>
wrote:
> $John Fleming <nos...@sprynet.com> wrote:
> $>
> $> the voters want to hear and can spend more time on what they
> $> really stand for.
> $>
> $That's why we have opposition parties John!
> $
> $Though they cannot do what they say, they are sometimes the conscious of the
> $electorate.
Aye, that they are.
And sometimes, as with the NDP, they can play kingmaker with
a minority government and get some of their ideas into law.
> $Sometimes their whacky notions get an ear in the HOC. Mostly? They're
> $ignored.
But first they have to get elected--which keeps the whacker
ideas of the fringe parties out in left field where they
belong.
> $The rants of Don Cherry on a Saturday night probably receive more publicity
> $than those of Liz May!
That's possibly a sad commentary on the electorate. When
some guy who wears funny shirts and comments on hockey gets
more coverage than a political leader, it's no wonder we get
some of the political leaders we get.
John Fleming
the scriptorium "Matthew Kruk" <Matthe...@Telus.net>
wrote:
> $"John Fleming" <nos...@sprynet.com> wrote in message
> $> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 03:40:27 GMT, while chained to a desk in
> $> the scriptorium "Matthew Kruk" <Matthe...@Telus.net>
> $> wrote:
> $>> $"John Fleming" <nos...@sprynet.com> wrote in message
> $>> $> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 03:24:33 GMT, while chained to a desk in
> $>> $> the scriptorium "Matthew Kruk" <Matthe...@Telus.net>> $>> $>> $news:er0je49a6fi7pu6i4...@4ax.com...
> $>> $>> $>
> $>> $>> $> http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=aBQh4_9mrlw
> $>> $>> $>
> $>> $>> $> I don't think they will get more than one or two seats, but
> $>> $>> $> having a lot of fun on the campaign trail.
> $>> $>> $
> $>> $>> $She is such a stupid person. Green my butt. Left of NDP.
> $>> $>
> $>> $> At the same time, I think she's done a lot to increase the
> $>> $>
> $>> $> Of course, with the Greens getting the coverage they are, it
> $>> $>
> $>> $> Of the three parties on the left, I think the NDP has run
> $>> $> profile, but then they are smaller. The Liberals are
> $>> $> running the poorest campaign of the three.
> $>> $
> $>> $Good points. Agreed. Liberals are really undoing themselves.
> $> This evening I paid the websites of the five major parties
> $> a visit.
> $>
> $> The first thing you see when you visit the Liberal one is a
> $> pile of crap about the Harper Bogeyman.
> $
> $Green Shit. Green Shift. Tomaytoe, tomahtoe.
> $
> $> You visit the Conservative site and one of the first things
> $> you see is a pile of crap about the Dion Bogeyman.
> $
> $I see a picture of a clueless Dion. Truth in advertising.
When the Liberals held their leadership convention, I
thought Dion was the best option they had. And to be
honest, he hasn't lived up to my expectations.
> $> The NDP has a site that focuses on what the NDP would do if
> $> they formed the government.
> $
> $Orange and Green make me want to barf. I'm surprised he knows which end of
> $a paddle to use in a canoe.
> $
> $> The Greens have a site that focuses on what the Greens stand
> $> for.
> $
> $Environmental champion? I give her a point for Sierra Club and the fact
> $they support Obama.
While I can't vote in the US election campaign, if I had a
vote and based on what I know of his tax policy, I wouldn't
vote for Obama.
As to McCain, well, with him in his 70s I'd be concerned
about his ability to survive four years in office. So like
it or not, a vote for President McCain is also a vote for
President Palin.
I'm kind of glad I'm not a voter in the US right now.
> $> I can't really comment on the BQ site because it is only in
> $> French and my French leaves a bit to be desired.
> $>
> $> --
> $>
> $> John Fleming
> $> Edmonton, Canada
> $>
> $> Old MacDonald had a farm E-I-E-I-O
> $> And on that farm he had a genome E-I-E-I-O
> $> With a SNP SNP here and a SNP SNP there,
> $> Here a SNP, there a SNP, everywhere a SNP SNP
> $> Old MacDonald had a farm E-I-E-I-O
> $
Ian Campbell
> > The first thing you see when you visit the Liberal one is a
> > pile of crap about the Harper Bogeyman.
>
> Green Shit. Green Shift. Tomaytoe, tomahtoe.
Well, yes. There hasn't been a radical shift in Canadian taxation since the
GST. And before that? It was the introduction of income tax.
Mulroney did a great job of that deal.
The Green Shift is as radical a fundamental change in taxation as the GST
was.
>
> > You visit the Conservative site and one of the first things
> > you see is a pile of crap about the Dion Bogeyman.
>
> I see a picture of a clueless Dion. Truth in advertising.
The Liberal party has a lot of really qualified people. Why Dion?
>
> > The NDP has a site that focuses on what the NDP would do if
> > they formed the government.
>
> Orange and Green make me want to barf. I'm surprised he knows which end of
> a paddle to use in a canoe.
The NDP scares me. I will never fall that far left. But I will never tip
too far to the right either.
>
> > The Greens have a site that focuses on what the Greens stand
> > for.
>
> Environmental champion? I give her a point for Sierra Club and the fact
> they support Obama.
The environment is a great capitalist opportunity in a world that is looking
for better ideas. Harper's government put out a Fraser Institute report
that spoke only of the downside, not the upside.
That's not trustworthy, and it reflects the notions of the regime.
It was dishonest and reflected a severe lack of integrity.
>
John Fleming
in the scriptorium Ian Campbell <ian.cam...@rogers.com>
wrote:
> $John Fleming <nos...@sprynet.com> wrote:
> $> I wasn't aware the Greens had ever formed a government in
> $> Germany.
> $>
> $http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_party#Green_Parties_in_Europe
The article says they were part of a coalition government in
Germany, which I had understood. For example, between 1998
and 2002 they were part of a coalistion with the Social
Democrats who had significantly more seats.
While not a great parallel, they were a bit more like the
NDP during a couple of our own Liberal minority governments,
except that the NDP never got seats at the cabinet table.
That is, they provided the support needed to keep the
governing party in power.
Matthew Kruk
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For the record, I tend to vote Conservative or Liberal and like the NDP as
opposition - they're good at it. That's about as far I like to swing -
going too right or left is myopic IMHO.
One NDPer I liked and respected, god rest his soul, was Grant Notely
(spell?). He kicked Alberta Conservative ass in the 70's. There's also
another one in Alberta right, can't recall the name ...
John Fleming
in the scriptorium Ian Campbell <ian.cam...@rogers.com>
wrote:
> $Matthew Kruk <Matthe...@Telus.net> wrote:
> $> > The first thing you see when you visit the Liberal one is a
> $> > pile of crap about the Harper Bogeyman.
> $>
> $> Green Shit. Green Shift. Tomaytoe, tomahtoe.
> $
> $Well, yes. There hasn't been a radical shift in Canadian taxation since the
> $GST. And before that? It was the introduction of income tax.
> $
> $Mulroney did a great job of that deal.
> $
> $The Green Shift is as radical a fundamental change in taxation as the GST
> $was.
Maybe more so.
Anyway, because it hammers petroleum based economies like
Alberta and Newfoundland more than other provincial
economies it has the hallmark of an NEP 2.
> $> > You visit the Conservative site and one of the first things
> $> > you see is a pile of crap about the Dion Bogeyman.
> $>
> $> I see a picture of a clueless Dion. Truth in advertising.
> $
> $The Liberal party has a lot of really qualified people. Why Dion?
He seemed like a pretty good choice at the time. That said,
he has not lived up to my expectations. And I wouldn't want
to see Bob Rae or Michael Ignatieff as party leaders either.
The Liberals, I think, need to find a good, younger leader
to take the party into the next decade.
> $> > The NDP has a site that focuses on what the NDP would do if
> $> > they formed the government.
> $>
> $> Orange and Green make me want to barf. I'm surprised he knows which end of
> $> a paddle to use in a canoe.
> $
> $The NDP scares me. I will never fall that far left. But I will never tip
> $too far to the right either.
Some of the provincial NDP parties are more populist and
less union. I'm thinking specifically of Saskatchewan and
Manitoba here. The result is a party that is a little less
left-wing.
The big problem I have with the federal party is that it
gets a lot of its support (and its MPs) from heavily
unionized parts of the country like BC and southern Ontario.
And it tends to be a lot more socialist. If you take a look
at countries like Russia, socialism doesn't work.
> $> > The Greens have a site that focuses on what the Greens stand
> $> > for.
> $>
> $> Environmental champion? I give her a point for Sierra Club and the fact
> $> they support Obama.
> $
> $The environment is a great capitalist opportunity in a world that is looking
> $for better ideas. Harper's government put out a Fraser Institute report
> $that spoke only of the downside, not the upside.
> $
> $That's not trustworthy, and it reflects the notions of the regime.
> $
> $It was dishonest and reflected a severe lack of integrity.
I think we are going to have to be more environmentally
concious. And yes, as we focus on being more green, we will
find lots of opportunities for businesses that want to
supply goods and services to a greener economy. Just take a
look at the move to more energy efficient buildings with
standards like the LEEDS standards.
Long run, it is more cost effective to have a more energy
efficient building that relies less on things like natural
gas for heating and use less energy for lighting.
John Fleming
the scriptorium "Matthew Kruk" <Matthe...@Telus.net>
wrote:
> $One NDPer I liked and respected, god rest his soul, was Grant Notely
> $(spell?). He kicked Alberta Conservative ass in the 70's. There's also
> $another one in Alberta right, can't recall the name ...
Grant Notley was a good man.
I don't think any of the provincial NDP leaders who have
come after him have really been able to fill his shoes.
He was killed in a plane crash, and Alberta is a poorer
place for it.
Matthew Kruk
> John Fleming <nos...@sprynet.com> wrote:
>> As to McCain, well, with him in his 70s I'd be concerned
>> about his ability to survive four years in office. So like
>> it or not, a vote for President McCain is also a vote for
>> President Palin.
>>
>> I'm kind of glad I'm not a voter in the US right now.
>>
> Canada,
> means that a woman like that is a screaming, crazy retard, jacked up on
> Tim
> Horton's coffee at 6:30 AM, who wants to kill the Coach because her son
> isn't
> getting enough time on the ice.
And in Alberta - eating Buffalo burgers!
LOL!
Matthew Kruk
> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 04:55:28 GMT, while chained to a desk in
> the scriptorium "Matthew Kruk" <Matthe...@Telus.net>
> wrote:
>
>> $One NDPer I liked and respected, god rest his soul, was Grant Notely
>> $(spell?). He kicked Alberta Conservative ass in the 70's. There's also
>> $another one in Alberta right, can't recall the name ...
>
> Grant Notley was a good man.
>
> I don't think any of the provincial NDP leaders who have
> come after him have really been able to fill his shoes.
>
> He was killed in a plane crash, and Alberta is a poorer
> place for it.
Amen.
I think at one point, it was him versus all of the Conservatives. He did so
with style and manner.
Sharx35
"John Fleming" <nos...@sprynet.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 04:55:28 GMT, while chained to a desk in
> the scriptorium "Matthew Kruk" <Matthe...@Telus.net>
> wrote:
>
>> $One NDPer I liked and respected, god rest his soul, was Grant Notely
>> $(spell?). He kicked Alberta Conservative ass in the 70's. There's also
>> $another one in Alberta right, can't recall the name ...
>
> Grant Notley was a good man.
>
> I don't think any of the provincial NDP leaders who have
> come after him have really been able to fill his shoes.
>
> He was killed in a plane crash, and Alberta is a poorer
> place for it.
>
Agreed. Ray (Martin) gave it his best--trying to fill Grant's shoes--but
not being Grant, he didn't succeed.
Sharx35
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Lougheed so respected Notley that he actually seemed overcome with grief, at
times.
>
>
jimjames5417
> John Fleming <nos...@sprynet.com> wrote:
> >http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=aBQh4_9mrlw
>
> > I don't think they will get more than one or two seats, but
>
>
The fact that what she said was all BS about the environment -
including the fact that Dion would be the best Prime Minister!! We all
know how much the LIEberals did when they were in power - GHG up 35%!!
Plus, let's stp the oild sands development - we don't need the oil or
the jobs - we can always keep paying OPEC whatever they want!!
Surprised she didn't blame the Global COOLING that is now going on on
GHG!!
The Doctor
Ray sucked up to the left too much!
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John Fleming
in the scriptorium Ian Campbell <ian.cam...@rogers.com>
wrote:
> $John Fleming <nos...@sprynet.com> wrote:
> $> the scriptorium "Matthew Kruk" <Matthe...@Telus.net>
> $> wrote:
> $>
> $> > $One NDPer I liked and respected, god rest his soul, was Grant Notely
> $> > $(spell?). He kicked Alberta Conservative ass in the 70's. There's also
> $> > $another one in Alberta right, can't recall the name ...
> $>
> $> Grant Notley was a good man.
> $>
> $> I don't think any of the provincial NDP leaders who have
> $> come after him have really been able to fill his shoes.
> $>
> $> He was killed in a plane crash, and Alberta is a poorer
> $> place for it.
> $>
> $I don't know of Grant Notley, but I will never forget Cadman.
> $
> $When he went down, the day he died. Nobody said anything bad about him in
> $this oft partisan newsgroup. I recall it as a good day for politics, because
> $for once, we all seemed to share the same sentiments.
> $
> $It's nice to see that, once in a blue moon.
He was an Alberta provincial politician. So unless you
lived in Alberta at the time, or have moved here since, it
is possible you haven't heard of him.
His daughter, Rachel Notley, is now one of the NDP members
in the Alberta legislature.
There is also a park in Edmonton named after him, right at
the intersection of 116 Street and Victoria Park Road.
Anyway, there is a short blurb here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grant_Notley
John Fleming
the scriptorium "Matthew Kruk" <Matthe...@Telus.net>
wrote:
> $news:mu6je4tb1krt2qplk...@4ax.com...
> $> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 04:55:28 GMT, while chained to a desk in
> $> the scriptorium "Matthew Kruk" <Matthe...@Telus.net>
> $> wrote:
> $>
> $>> $One NDPer I liked and respected, god rest his soul, was Grant Notely
> $>> $(spell?). He kicked Alberta Conservative ass in the 70's. There's also
> $>> $another one in Alberta right, can't recall the name ...
> $>
> $> Grant Notley was a good man.
> $>
> $> I don't think any of the provincial NDP leaders who have
> $> come after him have really been able to fill his shoes.
> $>
> $> He was killed in a plane crash, and Alberta is a poorer
> $> place for it.
> $
> $
> $I think at one point, it was him versus all of the Conservatives. He did so
> $with style and manner.
You're right. He spent over a decade as the only elected
member of the NDP in the Alberta legislature. It wasn't
until 1982 that he was joined by a second member of the NDP
in the legislature.