COURT ORDERS JEW BRONFMANS TO PAY TAXES!!!
chi...@chambre.com
the Federal Court of Canada ruled that the JEW Bronfmans must pay the
more than $700 Millions unpaid taxes!!!
Further, Justice Muldoon ruled that Revenue Canada's actions
"smells" of "grave maladministration" and favouritism.
Justice Muldoon also commented that Harris acted "on behalf
of all fellow taxpayers,except the favoured few."
Canadian Press report (2 January 1999) that Justice Francis Mudloon of
the
Federal Court of Canada ruled that the JEW Bronfmans must pay the
more than $700 Millions unpaid taxes!!!
Further, Justice Muldoon ruled that Revenue Canada's actions
"smells" of "grave maladministration" and favouritism.
Justice Muldoon also commented that Harris acted "on behalf
of all fellow taxpayers,except the favoured few."
On 12 Apr 1998 22:36:43 -0700, kmc...@nanaimo.island.net (Ken McVay)
wrote:
>In article <four...@no.spam.com> wrote:
>>Canadian Press are reporting in Canada, that a Winnipeg taxpayer is in
>>Federal Court, concerning the illegal transfer of 2.2 BILLION by the
>>BRONFMAN JEWS!!!
Canadian Press are reporting in Canada, that a Winnipeg taxpayer is in
Federal Court, concerning the illegal transfer of 2.2 BILLION by the
BRONFMAN JEWS!!!
In fact Revenue Canada officials had decided 12 December 1991 that the
Bronfmans were supposed to pay their taxes on this money!!!
George Harris, according to CP, is claiming that the Auditor General
of Canada in May 1996, exposed the fact that the JEW Bronfmans did
not pay their taxes on the 2.2 Billion, thereby cheating the tax
department out of " hundreds of millions of dollars"!!!
Harris is fighting for the rights of all non-JEW taxpayers on this
issue.
He is quoted as saying, according to CP:"He will be helping to sustain
public confidence in our income tax system, as well as the
administration of justice generally."
Could it be that the goy-boy Oyvay finally got kicked out of NIZKOR,
since the Bnai Brith could no longer stand the heat of the
investigations for tax fraud?
Did the IRS and Revenue Canada taxation finally get fed up with the
multi-million dollar
FRAUD by OyVay??
Is that why the filthy pervert OyVay is now in hiding back in
Nanaimo???
Is OyVay back to being a "gas station attendant" for his living, or is
it again on welfare??
stp...@roma.org
Guess even the shabbas-goy OyVay couldn't stop the Federal Court!!!
Brian Blank
wrote:
>On Sun, 03 Jan 1999 16:56:11 GMT, chi...@chambre.com (William Grosvenor) wrote:
Snip
>
>>On 12 Apr 1998 22:36:43 -0700, kmc...@nanaimo.island.net wrote:
>>>In article <four...@no.spam.com> (William Grosvenor) wrote:
Still talking to yourself Willy?
How's your Citizens' Rights Action Party (C.R.A.P.) doing these days?
Got any members?
Brian Blank
(remove the spamblocker to reply)
stp...@roma.org
(Brian Blank) wanted to write the truth, as follows:
Kenneth McVay OBC
man noted for his lies, while posing as "stp...@roma.org," cited an
article he himself had published while pretending to be
"chi...@chambre.com" wrote:
>>Canadian Press report (2 January 1999) that Justice Francis Mudloon of
>>the Federal Court of Canada ruled that the JEW Bronfmans must pay the
>>more than $700 Millions unpaid taxes!!!
No, Mr. Grosvenor, Justice Francis Muldoon did _not_ order any such
thing.
Those who do not yet understand your true nature should read the
original Canadian Press report, archived at
http://www.canoe.ca/EdmontonNews/es.es-01-02-0033.html,j to understand
the ease with which you will lie to express your hatred.
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the truth as reported by Canadian Press all across Canada:
>"chi...@chambre.com" wrote:
>>>Canadian Press report (2 January 1999) that Justice Francis Mudloon of
>>>the Federal Court of Canada ruled that the JEW Bronfmans must pay the
>>>more than $700 Millions unpaid taxes!!!
On Sun, 03 Jan 1999 16:56:11 GMT, chi...@chambre.com wrote:
>Canadian Press report (2 January 1999) that Justice Francis Mudloon of
>the Federal Court of Canada ruled that the JEW Bronfmans must pay the
>more than $700 Millions unpaid taxes!!!
>Further, Justice Muldoon ruled that Revenue Canada's actions
>"smells" of "grave maladministration" and favouritism.
>Justice Muldoon also commented that Harris acted "on behalf
>of all fellow taxpayers,except the favoured few."
>Canadian Press report (2 January 1999) that Justice Francis Mudloon of
>the Federal Court of Canada ruled that the JEW Bronfmans must pay the
>more than $700 Millions unpaid taxes!!!
>Further, Justice Muldoon ruled that Revenue Canada's actions
Could it be that the maggot OyVay is also now being ordered to repay
much taxes, in both Canada and the US, in connection with his
FRAUDULENT claims as a non-existent charity???
Ron Yaraskavitch
: Canadian Press report (2 January 1999) that Justice Francis Mudloon of
: the Federal Court of Canada ruled that the JEW Bronfmans must pay the
: more than $700 Millions unpaid taxes!!!
I don't get it. Why does 'chiffre' want to condemn jews? The Irving
family in Canada tries to do the same thing - avoid taxes.
If the Nazis and Soviets blamed all problems on the jews, does that mean
they were trying to direct the public attention away from evaluating what
they were doing?
Is 'chiffre' a supporter of Communists?
Ron
stp...@roma.org
wrote:
>chi...@chambre.com wrote:
>: Canadian Press report (2 January 1999) that Justice Francis Mudloon of
>: the Federal Court of Canada ruled that the JEW Bronfmans must pay the
>: more than $700 Millions unpaid taxes!!!
>
>I don't get it. Why does 'chiffre' want to condemn jews?
Mainly because the JEW Bronfmans swindled the Canadian government out
of more than $700 millions taxes!!!
Read the story, and then try to correlate to Nazis???
>If the Nazis and Soviets blamed all problems on the jews, does that mean
>they were trying to direct the public attention away from evaluating what
>they were doing?
>Ron
On Sun, 03 Jan 1999 16:56:11 GMT, chi...@chambre.com wrote:
>Canadian Press report (2 January 1999) that Justice Francis Mudloon of
>the Federal Court of Canada ruled that the JEW Bronfmans must pay the
>more than $700 Millions unpaid taxes!!!
>Further, Justice Muldoon ruled that Revenue Canada's actions
>"smells" of "grave maladministration" and favouritism.
>Justice Muldoon also commented that Harris acted "on behalf
>of all fellow taxpayers,except the favoured few."
>Canadian Press report (2 January 1999) that Justice Francis Mudloon of
>the Federal Court of Canada ruled that the JEW Bronfmans must pay the
>more than $700 Millions unpaid taxes!!!
>Further, Justice Muldoon ruled that Revenue Canada's actions
Daniel Swan
> Those who do not yet understand [Grosvenor's] true nature should read the
> original Canadian Press report, archived at
> http://www.canoe.ca/EdmontonNews/es.es-01-02-0033.html,j to understand
> the ease with which you will lie to express your hatred.
Willy may have fudged on the details, but the true side of the story is
quite interesting in itself:
The Bronfmans, who make up the core of the World Jewish Congress, have
attemped to use their influence to circumvent Canadian tax law... and been
caught.
One would hope that the movers and shakers in such a benevolent organization
would conduct themselves more integrity.
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Daniel Swan <dswan@tranquil_hegemony.ca> wrote:
>In can.general Kenneth McVay OBC <kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org> wrote:
>> Those who do not yet understand [Grosvenor's] true nature should read the
>> original Canadian Press report, archived at
>> http://www.canoe.ca/EdmontonNews/es.es-01-02-0033.html,j to understand
>> the ease with which you will lie to express your hatred.
>Willy may have fudged on the details, but the true side of the story is
>quite interesting in itself:
Mr. Grosvenor *lied* - he does a lot of that. Why do you suppose Mr. Grosvenor
lied?
>The Bronfmans, who make up the core of the World Jewish Congress, have
>attemped to use their influence to circumvent Canadian tax law... and been
>caught.
"Caught?" At what? Contrary to Mr. Grosvenor's assertions in the past, they
(the trust, one presumes..) moved a fund and avoided taxes. - they did *not*
violate Canadian law, nor has the government accused them of doing so.
The fact that the Bronfman family is Jewish has nothing to do with it, nor
does it have anything to do with the WJC. Gentile family trusts have been
known to do the same thing... and yet Mr. Grosvenor does not seem interested
in exploring the general issue (i.e. should the loophole be removed, if it is
there, or should the law be changed...), only the ethnicity of the family
involved.
Mr. Grosvenor hates Jews (and Slavs, Ukrainians, French Canadians, and, of
course, Gypsies, homosexuals, and strangely, given his alleged background,
criminals.) and that is why he isn't interested in the law, or the politics of
the matter, he just wants to put Jews - all Jews - in a bad light, and
attempts doing so at every opportunity. That is, after all, what Mr. Grosvenor
_does_ - he hates.
Please enlighten us, Mr. Swan, with respect to the _other_ trusts that have
either done the same thing or attempted to, and explain why they haven't been
relevant to Mr. Grosvenor's spittle spreading attack on the Bronfman family...
"Fudged," indeed. That's rich, Mr. Swan... the word, in the event you've
forgotten, is "LIED," not "fudged."
>One would hope that the movers and shakers in such a benevolent organization
>would conduct themselves more integrity.
>
>
>--
>............................................................................
>
> "Part of the proceeds from every bottle of Seagram's purchased go
> towards bulldozing Arab settlements. Get yours while the offer lasts."
>
>............................................................................
>www.geocities.com/pentagon/bunker/1022 swan_...@hotmail.com
John Corman
<dswan@tranquil_hegemony.ca> wrote:
>In can.general Kenneth McVay OBC <kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org> wrote:
>
>> Those who do not yet understand [Grosvenor's] true nature should read the
>> original Canadian Press report, archived at
>> http://www.canoe.ca/EdmontonNews/es.es-01-02-0033.html,j to understand
>> the ease with which you will lie to express your hatred.
>
>Willy may have fudged on the details, but the true side of the story is
>quite interesting in itself:
>
>attemped to use their influence to circumvent Canadian tax law... and been
>caught.
>
>would conduct themselves more integrity.
Where's all this stuff coming from? It's my understanding that the
Bronfman's owe nothing and, in fact, followed the letter of the law to
a "t".
The appropriate taxes will be paid when the related gains are
materialized so, what's the big deal?
Also, just out of curiosity, would this affair be treated differently
if the Bronfmans had a name like Brown instead?
John Corman ******** jco...@island.net
ernstp...@my-dejanews.com
kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
> "Caught?" At what? Contrary to Mr. Grosvenor's assertions in the past, they
> (the trust, one presumes..) moved a fund and avoided taxes. - they did *not*
> violate Canadian law, nor has the government accused them of doing so.
Mr. McVay, you initially posted indicating you had no knowledge of this
issue. One week later you are an expert on a legal battle that lasted many
years? The issue, unfortunately, got clouded and off base by anti-semetic
crap.
> The fact that the Bronfman family is Jewish has nothing to do with it, nor
> does it have anything to do with the WJC.
Exactly. Let's try to look at this from a different perspective. The
Bronfman family tried to circumvent $700 million from tax coffers. Whether
or not this is legal has yet to be decided by the courts. All I know is that
I can't cash in two pop bottles, earn a few bucks running a garage sale or
borrow from my RRSP without RevCan standing with thier handout. Maybe you
shouldn't be so quick to defend the Bronfmans. This family started by
bootlegging, tax evasion and built thier empire from here. And this HAS
NOTHING to do with anti-semitism but rather realization of the facts. If
Samuel Bronfman was operating today, he'd be in the Penitentiary.
> Mr. Grosvenor hates Jews (and Slavs, Ukrainians, French Canadians, and, of
> course, Gypsies, homosexuals, and strangely, given his alleged background,
> criminals.) and that is why he isn't interested in the law, or the politics of
> the matter, he just wants to put Jews - all Jews - in a bad light, and
> attempts doing so at every opportunity. That is, after all, what Mr. Grosvenor
> _does_ - he hates.
I won't even get into this because I probably would fall into one of these
groups if I ever stopped considering myself a Canadian first and foremost.
> Please enlighten us, Mr. Swan, with respect to the _other_ trusts that have
> either done the same thing or attempted to, and explain why they haven't been
> relevant to Mr. Grosvenor's spittle spreading attack on the Bronfman family...
Conrad Black swindled millions from the Dominion Pension Plan, the Eaton
family sucked the lifeblood out of that company, I could go on. Jewish or
Gentile, most corporate players at this level are crooks and will screw the
taxman when they can. They didn't get where they are by being nice guys, but
rather by convincing others that they are nice guys. One can't deny that the
Bronfman's use thier power and wealth to further the Jewish cause, just ask
them they will tell you, but who cares? I do and every Canadian should when
they are trying to weasel the wealth they made off Canadians (primarily in
booze) and move it to a lower rate of taxation.
> "Fudged," indeed. That's rich, Mr. Swan... the word, in the event you've
> forgotten, is "LIED," not "fudged."
>
> >One would hope that the movers and shakers in such a benevolent organization
> >would conduct themselves more integrity.
> >
> >............................................................................
> >
> > "Part of the proceeds from every bottle of Seagram's purchased go
> > towards bulldozing Arab settlements. Get yours while the offer lasts."
> >
> >............................................................................
> >www.geocities.com/pentagon/bunker/1022 swan_...@hotmail.com
>
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> Also, just out of curiosity, would this affair be treated differently
> if the Bronfmans had a name like Brown instead?
Well, I can't speak for the other concerned parties, but if Mr. Brown was a
multi gazillionarire power broker who dabbled in extortion and supported
terrorists while attempted to defraud the Canadian Govt, I'd like to see him
nail to the post just the same.
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>
>Exactly. Let's try to look at this from a different perspective. The
>Bronfman family tried to circumvent $700 million from tax coffers. Whether
>or not this is legal has yet to be decided by the courts.
Is it true that 1)they circumvented paying that kind of money and 2)
that it's before the courts?
It's my understanding that it's a done deal and not before the courts.
Revenue Canada doesn't particularly like it because the eventual taxes
due when the various capital gains materialize may not be as easy to
collect now that the trust is a non resident of Canada.
John Corman ******** jco...@island.net
stp...@roma.org
wrote:
>On Wed, 06 Jan 1999 05:44:21 GMT, ernstp...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>>Exactly. Let's try to look at this from a different perspective. The
>>Bronfman family tried to circumvent $700 million from tax coffers. Whether
>>or not this is legal has yet to be decided by the courts.
>============================================================================
YES, it is completely true, as documented by the two news stories,
below.
>Is it true that 1)they circumvented paying that kind of money
and 2)
>that it's before the courts?
YES, the swindle case has been before the Courts in Canada, and was
initially reported on 25 November 1997, as detailed below.
>It's my understanding that it's a done deal and not before the courts.
>Revenue Canada doesn't particularly like it because the eventual taxes
>due when the various capital gains materialize may not be as easy to
>collect now that the trust is a non resident of Canada.
Presumably, Revenue Canada will have to seize other Bronfman assets in
Canada, such as Seagrams, etc.
Canadian Press report (2 January 1999) that Justice Francis Mudloon of
Kenneth McVay OBC
>YES, it is completely true, as documented by the two news stories,
>below.
No, Mr. Grosvenor, it is _not_ "completely true," and the news stories
did _not_ say what you claim that they say. You, sir, are a liar.
>YES, the swindle case has been before the Courts in Canada, and was
>initially reported on 25 November 1997, as detailed below.
The government of Canada has not - nor has any Canadian court -
accused nor charged the Bronfman Trust with any violation of law. No
news article - not even those which exist only within Mr. Grosvenor's
anti-Jewish fantasies - has reported either that (1) the Trust acted
illegally, or (2) any Court has ordered the Trust to pay back taxes as
a result of this matter.
>Presumably, Revenue Canada will have to seize other Bronfman assets in
>Canada, such as Seagrams, etc.
On what basis, Mr. Grosvenor? Do cite the judgment which would permit
them to do this, won't you? It should be most interesting, since the
Trust hasn't violated any law, nor been found to have violated any
law. (Very creative, Mr. Grosvenor, but a lie nonetheless.)
>Canadian Press report (2 January 1999) that Justice Francis Mudloon of
>the Federal Court of Canada ruled that the JEW Bronfmans must pay the
>more than $700 Millions unpaid taxes!!!
No Canadian Justice has issued any such order. Mr. Grosvenor
knows this. No Federal Court Justice has the name "Mudloon." Mr.
Grosvenor knows this, too, but he isn't interested in correcting his
errors, let alone his outright lies.
Lies, Mr. Grosvenor, unsupportable lies.
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Canadian Press report (2 January 1999) that Justice Francis Mudloon of
the Federal Court of Canada ruled that the JEW Bronfmans must pay the
more than $700 Millions unpaid taxes!!!
Further, Justice Muldoon ruled that Revenue Canada's actions
"smells" of "grave maladministration" and favouritism.
Justice Muldoon also commented that Harris acted "on behalf
of all fellow taxpayers,except the favoured few."
Canadian Press report (2 January 1999) that Justice Francis Mudloon of
the
Federal Court of Canada ruled that the JEW Bronfmans must pay the
more than $700 Millions unpaid taxes!!!
Further, Justice Muldoon ruled that Revenue Canada's actions
Kenneth McVay OBC
Grosvenor, http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/grosvenor-william,
posing as "cho...@pocciya.com," quoted himself,
posing as "chi...@chambre.com," and repeated the following lie:
>Canadian Press report (2 January 1999) that Justice Francis Mudloon of
>the Federal Court of Canada ruled that the JEW Bronfmans must pay the
>more than $700 Millions unpaid taxes!!!
1. Canadian Press report of 2 January did not contain any such
information.
2. Justice Muldoon did not make any such order.
The CP story reads as follows:
(http://www.canoe.ca/EdmontonNews/es.es-01-02-0033.html)
Saturday, January 2, 1999
Crusader wins round in fight against a family's $700-million tax break
By CP
WINNIPEG -- A Winnipeg man is delighted a court ruling has cleared
the way for his lawsuit aimed at forcing a prominent Canadian family
to pay $700 million in income tax.
"I hope the government won't appeal this," George Harris said
yesterday. "When people, who spent many years paying taxes because
they felt it was their civic duty, see people much better able to pay
taxes are not, it bothers them, to put it mildly."
Justice Francis Muldoon of the Federal Court ruled that Revenue
Canada's decision to allow two family trusts to transfer $2 billion in
assets to the U.S. without paying taxes "smells" of "grave
maladministration" and favouritism.
The family has not been identified under confidentiality rules, but
published reports say it's the Bronfmans, who control the
Montreal-based Seagram Co. distilling and entertainment empire.
Harris's suit is aimed at forcing Ottawa to collect capital-gains
taxes on the transferred assets.
Muldoon's ruling comes a week after Finance Minister Paul Martin
released proposals to ensure an end to similar transfer deals.
Last year the courts agreed with government lawyers who argued that
Harris's suit, started in 1996, should not proceed because he was not
directly affected by the 1991 Revenue Canada decision allowing the
transfer. But Muldoon ruled that Harris has a legitimate suit "on
behalf of all fellow taxpayers, except the favoured few."
Lawyer Arne Peltz agrees his client has a public interest.
"He's just a guy who goes to work every day, pays his taxes and thinks
everyone should pay their fair share."
Muldoon gave Ottawa 35 days to respond to Harris's allegations.
==30==
In short, Mr. Grosvenor, inter...@grosvenor.net, is a liar.
John Corman
>On Thu, 07 Jan 1999 00:22:11 GMT, jco...@island.net (John Corman)
>wrote:
>>On Wed, 06 Jan 1999 05:44:21 GMT, ernstp...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
>>>Exactly. Let's try to look at this from a different perspective. The
>>>Bronfman family tried to circumvent $700 million from tax coffers. Whether
>>>or not this is legal has yet to be decided by the courts.
>>============================================================================
>below.
>
>
>and 2)
>>that it's before the courts?
>
>initially reported on 25 November 1997, as detailed below.
>
>>Revenue Canada doesn't particularly like it because the eventual taxes
>>due when the various capital gains materialize may not be as easy to
>>collect now that the trust is a non resident of Canada.
Just for the record for those not consumed with the importance of the
Bronfman's ancestry, I stick with my observations above. The
transaction is done. There are no taxes owing and the Bronfmans acted
well within the law. As a matter of fact, it's my understanding they
actually got a ruling from Revenue Canada prior to the transaction to
ensure its propriety.
John Corman ******** jco...@island.net
Daniel Swan
> As a matter of fact, it's my understanding they
> actually got a ruling from Revenue Canada prior to the transaction to
> ensure its propriety.
I know nothing of Tax law, or the legal relevance of the case, but I have to
wonder what grounds they were excepted on. Whether or not it was
'approved', it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
swan_...@my-dejanews.com
isolated incident. This week, I've found that the problem is far worse than I
thought, and has been taking place in several newsgroups for some time.
Some of the posts were particularly offensive, including posts that were
defamatory to blacks. Please ignore these.
First looks indicate that the postings have various origins, with the most
consistent being the Montreal arm of Shaw@home
For the time being, if you are unsure if a posting is mine, check the headers,
and see what newsreader the person is using. If the poster is not using a Tin
Beta: tin/pre-1.4-980618, then it is likely not mine.
chor...@poccia.com
On Thu, 07 Jan 1999 00:22:11 GMT, jco...@island.net (John Corman)
wrote:
>On Wed, 06 Jan 1999 05:44:21 GMT, ernstp...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>>Exactly. Let's try to look at this from a different perspective. The
>>Bronfman family tried to circumvent $700 million from tax coffers. Whether
>>or not this is legal has yet to be decided by the courts.
>============================================================================
YES, it is completely true, as documented by the two news stories,
below.
>Is it true that 1)they circumvented paying that kind of money
and 2)
>that it's before the courts?
YES, the swindle case has been before the Courts in Canada, and was
initially reported on 25 November 1997, as detailed below.
>It's my understanding that it's a done deal and not before the courts.
>Revenue Canada doesn't particularly like it because the eventual taxes
>due when the various capital gains materialize may not be as easy to
>collect now that the trust is a non resident of Canada.
Presumably, Revenue Canada will have to seize other Bronfman assets in
Canada, such as Seagrams, etc.
Canadian Press report (2 January 1999) that Justice Francis Mudloon of
the Federal Court of Canada ruled that the JEW Bronfmans must pay the
more than $700 Millions unpaid taxes!!!
Further, Justice Muldoon ruled that Revenue Canada's actions
"smells" of "grave maladministration" and favouritism.
Justice Muldoon also commented that Harris acted "on behalf
of all fellow taxpayers,except the favoured few."
Canadian Press report (2 January 1999) that Justice Francis Mudloon of
the
Federal Court of Canada ruled that the JEW Bronfmans must pay the
more than $700 Millions unpaid taxes!!!
Further, Justice Muldoon ruled that Revenue Canada's actions
"smells" of "grave maladministration" and favouritism.
Justice Muldoon also commented that Harris acted "on behalf
swan_...@my-dejanews.com
The forgeries are the result of a bot, aparrently part of the greater
'hipcrime' assault against usenet. It has been attaching The Subject, name,
and e-mail headers of my posts to the posts of others.. creating a third post
aparrently by me.
It has only been happening to followups and postings crossposted to
alt.politics.white-power. Only posters who participate in the cross-posted
threads will be at risk, although considering the fast spread of hipcrime
attacks, it is possible that can.general will eventually be directly attacked.
For now, those partaking in threads cross posted to A.P.W-P should watch
closely for the appearance of forgeries in their name. It appears as if my
targeting has been random, like the hundreds of others in various newsgroups
who have also been hit.
It is difficult to trace Hipcrime, and S/H/IT is using open newsservers, often
from ill-maintained Linux boxes on the Shaw@home network.
Since this is a bot, it is not that intelligent. In general, posts from
dswan@tranquil_hegemony.ca lacking my sig file, are not by me.
Joel Rosenberg
lies:
>
>Canadian Press report (2 January 1999) that Justice Francis Mudloon of
>the Federal Court of Canada ruled that the JEW Bronfmans must pay the
>more than $700 Millions unpaid taxes!!!
No, that's neither was Judge "Mudloon" (actually "Muldoon") ordered, nor
what the press reported.
Why lie when it can be so easily checked? You've been diagnosed as a
schizophrenic -- but are you stupid, as well as crazy?
Joel Rosenberg
Daniel Swan wrote in message <36959CD2.1AEF6AD@tranquil_hegemony.ca>...>Please forgive the binary, people, but I simply could not resist.
>
>
>
Try real hard next time.
John Corman
<dswan@tranquil_hegemony.ca> wrote:
>In can.general John Corman <jco...@island.net> wrote:
>> As a matter of fact, it's my understanding they
>> actually got a ruling from Revenue Canada prior to the transaction to
>> ensure its propriety.
>I know nothing of Tax law, or the legal relevance of the case, but I have to
>wonder what grounds they were excepted on. Whether or not it was
>'approved', it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
I don't consider myself a tax expert either and don't even know all
aspects of the case. I do know that there's a terminology in the Act
that stipulates what is Taxable Canadian Property (TCP). It's a very
important distinction between that and other property since on
emigrating from Canada one does not have to immediately pay taxes on
the accrued gains on TCP's. The reason for this is that it is assumed
that on final disposition of that property, the gains would be
realized in Canada and even as a non-resident the tax would be
collected. The kind of properties involved are Canadian real estate
and share in non public companies.
I'm guessing that the Bronfmans' properties were considered to be TCPs
and thus were exempt from immediate taxation just like it would be for
you and me.
John Corman ******** jco...@island.net
kensi...@zhid.bs.oz
>wrote:
>>On Wed, 06 Jan 1999 05:44:21 GMT, ernstp...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>>>Exactly. Let's try to look at this from a different perspective. The
>>>Bronfman family tried to circumvent $700 million from tax coffers. Whether
>>>or not this is legal has yet to be decided by the courts.
>>============================================================================
>YES, it is completely true, as documented by the two news stories,
>below.
>>Is it true that 1)they circumvented paying that kind of money
>and 2)
>>that it's before the courts?
>YES, the swindle case has been before the Courts in Canada, and was
>initially reported on 25 November 1997, as detailed below.
>>It's my understanding that it's a done deal and not before the courts.
>>Revenue Canada doesn't particularly like it because the eventual taxes
>>due when the various capital gains materialize may not be as easy to
>>collect now that the trust is a non resident of Canada.
>Presumably, Revenue Canada will have to seize other Bronfman assets in
>Canada, such as Seagrams, etc.
>Canadian Press report (2 January 1999) that Justice Francis Muldoon of
>the Federal Court of Canada ruled that the JEW Bronfmans must pay the
>more than $700 Millions unpaid taxes!!!
>Further, Justice Muldoon ruled that Revenue Canada's actions
>"smells" of "grave maladministration" and favouritism.
>Justice Muldoon also commented that Harris acted "on behalf
>of all fellow taxpayers,except the favoured few."
>Canadian Press report (2 January 1999) that Justice Francis Mudloon of the
>Federal Court of Canada ruled that the JEW Bronfmans must pay the
>more than $700 Millions unpaid taxes!!!
siko...@warzawa.88.net
the truth as reported by Canadian Press all across Canada:
Guess even the shabbas-goy OyVay couldn't stop the Federal Court!!!
Could it be that the maggot OyVay is also now being ordered to repay
Kenneth McVay OBC
Grosvenor, inter...@grosvenor.net, posing as "siko...@warzawa.88.net,"
wrote:
>On 4 Jan 1999 18:43:18 GMT, kmcvay(Kenneth McVay SOBC) trying to hide
>the truth as reported by Canadian Press all across Canada:
Here is the truth:
1. William Grosvenor is a confirmed liar.
2. The Canadian Press did not report that any court had ordered
the Bronfmans to do anything.
Here is the Canadian Press article which Mr. Grosvenor purported to
discuss:
Saturday, January 2, 1999
Crusader wins round in fight against a family's $700-million tax break
By CP
WINNIPEG -- A Winnipeg man is delighted a court ruling has cleared
the way for his lawsuit aimed at forcing a prominent Canadian family
to pay $700 million in income tax.
"I hope the government won't appeal this," George Harris said
yesterday. "When people, who spent many years paying taxes because
they felt it was their civic duty, see people much better able to pay
taxes are not, it bothers them, to put it mildly."
Justice Francis Muldoon of the Federal Court ruled that Revenue
Canada's decision to allow two family trusts to transfer $2 billion in
assets to the U.S. without paying taxes "smells" of "grave
maladministration" and favouritism.
The family has not been identified under confidentiality rules, but
published reports say it's the Bronfmans, who control the
Montreal-based Seagram Co. distilling and entertainment empire.
Harris's suit is aimed at forcing Ottawa to collect capital-gains
taxes on the transferred assets.
Muldoon's ruling comes a week after Finance Minister Paul Martin
released proposals to ensure an end to similar transfer deals.
Last year the courts agreed with government lawyers who argued that
Harris's suit, started in 1996, should not proceed because he was not
directly affected by the 1991 Revenue Canada decision allowing the
transfer. But Muldoon ruled that Harris has a legitimate suit "on
behalf of all fellow taxpayers, except the favoured few."
Lawyer Arne Peltz agrees his client has a public interest.
"He's just a guy who goes to work every day, pays his taxes and thinks
everyone should pay their fair share."
Muldoon gave Ottawa 35 days to respond to Harris's allegations.
==30==
As one can clearly ascertain, Mr. William Grosvenor is a liar. He has
lied about the contents of the newspaper article, and he has lied
about actions taken by the judge concerned.
So much for Mr. Grosvenor. Readers are encouraged to contact Mr.
Grosvenor directly, that's "inter...@grosvenor.net," to ask him why
he lied about this matter.
Those wishing to understand Mr. Grosvenor's strange mindset are
encouraged to read his FAQ, which he published to
http://www.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=251280192 for your understanding.
--
The Nizkor Project-----------------------http://www.nizkor.org
Ken McVay, Director.ICQ 7015822. http://www.nizkor.org/~kmcvay
"Opposing Fascism in Cyberspace"
University of London , May 8, 1999
E. Barry Bruyea
it's what they're best at and we all know people should always go with
their assets.
On 1 Feb 1999 00:49:22 GMT, kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay
John Corman
wrote:
>Why should anyone be surprised when an Anti-Semite lies? After all,
>it's what they're best at and we all know people should always go with
>their assets.
Has anyone of these characters ever explained to why they have this
incredible hatred of Jewish people. Personally, I've never been able
to understood it. How could one not like Jack Benny of George Burns?
I made the mistake of interjecting some facts into this thread and it
was treated as immaterial garbage reminding me of some socialist
zealots who frequent these groups.
John Corman ******** jco...@island.net
Daniel Swan
> Has anyone of these characters ever explained to why they have this
> incredible hatred of Jewish people.
Jewish propaganda has convinced people that any criticism of Jewish people,
or their policies, constitutes hated. It allows no grey.
It's a bit of an either-or fallacy. If you don't love Jews, you must hate
them...
Kenneth McVay OBC
Daniel Swan <dswan@tranquil_hegemony.ca> wrote:
>Jewish propaganda has convinced people that any criticism of Jewish people,
>or their policies, constitutes hated. It allows no grey.
Strange. Although Mr. Swan asserts this, my experience has not shown
it to be true.
I criticize Jews, and I criticize policies promoted by some Jewish
groups. Strangely enough, given Mr. Swan's "expertise" in Things
Jewish, I have not yet been accused of hating Jews because of this.
Even Sol Littman, who doesn't like me very much, hasn't accused me of
hating Jews... he just calls me names from time to time :-) The JDL,
unhappy because I agree with Hatewatch, and consider them a hate
group, and thus will not provide links to their site, doesn't even
accuse me of hating them... they just pout a bit and ignore me...
Mr. Grosvenor (http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/grosvenor-william)
however, does hate Jews. He isn't at all circumspect about it, either,
but of course his Champion Mr. Swan appears to have overlooked this
while considering his response.
How strange.
Perhaps Mr. Swan should return to his Jewish Studies group... he seems
to have missed a great deal along the way.....
Juergen Hubert
siko...@warzawa.88.net wrote:
>
[snip]
> Could it be that the maggot OyVay is also now being ordered to repay
> much taxes, in both Canada and the US, in connection with his
> FRAUDULENT claims as a non-existent charity???
Could it be that you still haven't got the neccessary intelligence to
grasp the concept that certain postings can be off-topic in many groups?
- Juergen Hubert
James Goneaux
<dswan@tranquil_hegemony.ca> wrote:
>In can.general John Corman <jco...@island.net> wrote:
>
>> Has anyone of these characters ever explained to why they have this
>> incredible hatred of Jewish people.
>
>Jewish propaganda has convinced people that any criticism of Jewish people,
>or their policies, constitutes hated. It allows no grey.
>
>It's a bit of an either-or fallacy. If you don't love Jews, you must hate
>them...
Anyone can condemn Zionism, for instance, without necessarily being
anti-Semitic. One can condemn the ever-smaller ownership group of ever
larger amount of media, without pointing out the religion of the
owners. One can even condemn the fact that Canadian families send
money out of the country, without mentioning who they are.
For instance, why are the Irvings of New Brunswick somehow immune from
criticism from the likes of you?
Daniel Swan
>>Jewish propaganda has convinced people that any criticism of Jewish people,
>>or their policies, constitutes hated. It allows no grey.
> I criticize Jews, and I criticize policies promoted by some Jewish
> groups. Strangely enough, given Mr. Swan's "expertise" in Things
> Jewish, I have not yet been accused of hating Jews because of this.
I believe you criticize the Jews you do because you are clever enough to
realize that A) This pretense of critical thought strengthens your own
credibility, and B) The Jews you criticise are extremist wackos and thus
straw men... and knocking down straw men is what Ken does best.
> [Grosvenor] however, does hate Jews. He isn't at all circumspect about it,
> either, but of course his Champion Mr. Swan appears to have overlooked
> this while considering his response.
> How strange.
Men like Grosvenor are capable of doing little damage... However, I find
bullies and smug opportunists quite offensive... regardless of whatever
virtuous cause they use to justify their belligerence.
> Perhaps Mr. Swan should return to his Jewish Studies group... he seems
> to have missed a great deal along the way.....
I didn't realize that a background in Jewish Studies was prerequisite to
social and political criticism of Zionism. I will submit myself for
reeducation at the earliest possible opportunity.
John Corman
<dswan@tranquil_hegemony.ca> wrote:
>In can.general John Corman <jco...@island.net> wrote:
>
>> Has anyone of these characters ever explained to why they have this
>> incredible hatred of Jewish people.
------------------------------------------------------------------------->
>Jewish propaganda has convinced people that any criticism of Jewish people,
>or their policies, constitutes hated. It allows no grey.
=====================================================================
Come on! We've got socialist politicians who relay the same message,
as do union leaders. "You're either with us or against us" mentality.
That doesn't result in those of other views lighting their hair on
fire and proposing the killing of the whole lot.
John Corman ******** jco...@island.net
scheis...@pamyat.nozhid.org
wrote:
>On Tue, 02 Feb 1999 03:57:23 GMT, Daniel Swan
With swindles of the magnitude of the BRONFMAN ZHIDS, no wonder people
are finally realizing that the Zhids are pernicious!!!
On 4 Jan 1999 18:43:18 GMT, kmcvay(Kenneth McVay SOBC) trying to hide
the truth as reported by Canadian Press all across Canada:
On Sun, 03 Jan 1999 16:56:11 GMT, chi...@chambre.com wrote:
>Canadian Press report (2 January 1999) that Justice Francis Mudloon of
>the Federal Court of Canada ruled that the JEW Bronfmans must pay the
>more than $700 Millions unpaid taxes!!!
>Further, Justice Muldoon ruled that Revenue Canada's actions
>"smells" of "grave maladministration" and favouritism.
>Justice Muldoon also commented that Harris acted "on behalf
>of all fellow taxpayers,except the favoured few."
>Canadian Press report (2 January 1999) that Justice Francis Mudloon of
>the Federal Court of Canada ruled that the JEW Bronfmans must pay the
>more than $700 Millions unpaid taxes!!!
>Further, Justice Muldoon ruled that Revenue Canada's actions
>"smells" of "grave maladministration" and favouritism.
>Justice Muldoon also commented that Harris acted "on behalf
Could it be that the maggot OyVay is also now being ordered to repay