Sad thoughts
Fabrikant
dealing with Mafiosi and shot them. Well, I was dealing with
criminals who threatened my life. It is sad that so many people do
not realize that Mafia is not the only organized crime on this planet.
University professors can form an organized crime as profitable as
Mafia, but well protected by establishment.
Stupid criminals take guns and go robbing banks of a few thousand
dollars. Smart criminals become CEO and rob BILLIONS. If you are
stupid, you sell drugs; if you are smart, you become a policeman,
confiscate drugs and money from drug dealers and then use your own
drug dealers to resell the confiscated drugs, and you do it with
impunity.
If you are a stupid pedophile, you buy child pornography and you get
caught; if you are a smart pedophile, you become a policeman in vice
squad; you can watch child pornography all day long, and you are very
well paid for that. Among individuals recently arrested in England on
child pornography charges there were over 50 policemen. Imagine, how
many more policemen-criminals are still not charged and never will be!
If you look at the history of mankind, you can not help to notice,
that majority of positive changes in the society were achieved by
violence. The creation of USA was achieved by a bloody war with
Britain. There was no way to abolish slavery peacefully: a bloody
civil war was needed. Many people credit Ghandi with achievement of
India independence. In reality, it was violent resistance of
population which did the trick. Ghandi was used by British as lesser
evil. The same can be said about Martin Luther King: Black Panthers
and other violent groups did the "dirty job", King provided the
"lesser evil" option.
We are proud of our labor laws, like minimum pay, right to strike,
etc. How did these laws come to life? By violence. Ford had a
private army of thugs, who were beating up and killing strikers, to
which trade unions responded by affiliation with Mafia and other
organized crime. Not all capitalists are like Feuerstein, majority of
them are trying to pay workers the least possible and make workers
work as long as possible.
So, organized crime paid them visits. They were told that, unless
they sign a fair contract with their workers, they will suffer a lot
of "natural" disasters, like fires, "accidental" deaths, etc., and the
capitalists knew that these people meant business, so they preferred
to settle, rather than get killed. After a while, capitalists decided
to put this fairness in the law rather than leave everything to
chance. The media told us that infiltration of trade unions by
organized crime was a bad thing. Capitalists have always been a very
well organized crime and to fight them, workers needed another well
organized crime.
Nothing can be achieved by non-violence. Look, for example, at
Vietnam war protests. So many years of protest, with no results. And
if a peaceful protest could not succeed in the so-called free and
democratic country, can a peaceful protest succeed in a country not so
free? The war was ended by violence: Vietnamese finally kicked out
Americans, and that ended the war. Violence is locomotive of history.
There are people who take crap from others, and there are those, who
do not. Those, who don't, pay terrible price for their actions: they
lose their freedom and even life. Mankind is indebted to them for
almost all positive changes in society. Ask yourself a simple
question: would Enron or Worldcom executives do what they did, if they
knew that at least one person they robbed of his life savings would
have the guts to take a gun and pump sufficient number of bullets in
their crooked brains?
American forefathers have included in American Constitution the right
to bear arms. Their intention was very clear: it was not about house
protection against a criminal intruder, it was against the government,
which has armed police and an army, which it can use against people.
At the time of writing Constitution, the arms the soldiers had was
exactly the same as the citizens had, so they could challenge the army
should the need arise. Sadly, this is no longer the case: people have
nothing against tanks and smart bombs.
I call this posting "sad thoughts", because I have always hated
violence, and I still do; it makes me sad to realize that human beings
just do not get it, unless violence is involved. Sad.
Fabrikant
Cold Cathoid
"Fabrikant" <benny_p...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> One individual has written that he would have understood if I was
> dealing with Mafiosi and shot them. Well, I was dealing with
> criminals who threatened my life. It is sad that so many people do
> not realize that Mafia is not the only organized crime on this planet.
> University professors can form an organized crime as profitable as
> Mafia, but well protected by establishment.
>
> I call this posting "sad thoughts", because I have always hated
> violence, and I still do; it makes me sad to realize that human beings
> just do not get it, unless violence is involved. Sad.
>
I find it offensive that you compare yourself to Vietname War protestors and
workers who died to ensure our fair labor laws. Through your paranoid
delusions you determined there was a conspiracy at Concordia against you.
You did not go to the police, you did not follow proper channels. You chose
violence. You chose to slaughter 4 innocent people and seriously injure
another.
You claim to hate violence yet you chose to commit the most horrible of all
violence: murder. Do you realize you ruined families? You are a scumbag who
chose to take the easy way out. These people never posed a physical threat
to you but you gunned them down. They were unarmed and defenceless. How do
you justify that?
God
> dealing with Mafiosi and shot them. Well, I was dealing with
> criminals who threatened my life. It is sad that so many
They weren't criminals. You're just very sick in your head.
Hope you die soon
*
Calgary Rob
> news:9d2af54.03011...@posting.google.com...
> > One individual has written that he would have understood if I was
> > dealing with Mafiosi and shot them. Well, I was dealing with
> > criminals who threatened my life. It is sad that so many
I hope they break a broomstick in your ass.
--
Calgary Rob
calga...@shaw.ca
I like Gravy
UserName
> violence, and I still do; it makes me sad to realize that human beings
> just do not get it, unless violence is involved. Sad.
>
> Fabrikant
You really *do* need psychological help. As soon as possible.
Did you already forget what you did? You killed 4 teachers with
a gun! Doesn't that fall in the "violence" category? Or are you
FINALLY starting to repent?
The Other Mike
set up to protect criminals than the victims of a crime. I would challange
anyone to prove me wrong, but they can't. The Canadian justice system needs
a MAJOR overhaul before anyone will change my mind about this as well.
Things like this thread only strengthen my convistion against the judicial
system. Someone kills 4 people and injurs another and is getting surgury
probably at the taxpayers expense and wants more and wants to be transfered
to where someone will do the surgury....this is also sad.
The Other Mike
For anyone that thinks I am wrong and would care to prove me wrong about the
Candian Legal system please explain to me how a burgler who falls through a
Skylight of a house that he is breaking into and lands on a knife and cuts
himself wins a court case for thousands of dollars against the homeowner?
BTW said burgler ADMITTED IN COURT that he was breaking into the house with
the intent to steal items from the house.
"Fabrikant" <benny_p...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Carter Lee
> Here is a really sad thought. The Canadian Legal System seems to be more
> set up to protect criminals than the victims of a crime. I would challange
> anyone to prove me wrong, but they can't.
I would take you up on that 'challenge' but it would be a duck shoot.
You can't even spell the word right.
The Canadian justice system needs
> a MAJOR overhaul before anyone will change my mind about this as well.
If your mind is made up and cannot be changed what is the point of
issuing a challenge?
BTW what exactly is the system you take issue with, the legal system or
the justice system?
> Things like this thread only strengthen my convistion against the judicial
> system. Someone kills 4 people and injurs another and is getting surgury
> probably at the taxpayers expense and wants more and wants to be transfered
> to where someone will do the surgury....this is also sad.
Are you suggesting that a prisoner is not entitled to health care?
How is what a prisoner wants the fault of any system? BTW the system
you are talking about is the Correctional system.
> The Other Mike
> For anyone that thinks I am wrong and would care to prove me wrong about the
> Candian Legal system please explain to me how a burgler who falls through a
> Skylight of a house that he is breaking into and lands on a knife and cuts
> himself wins a court case for thousands of dollars against the homeowner.
> BTW said burgler ADMITTED IN COURT that he was breaking into the house with
> the intent to steal items from the house.
That sounds like urban legend. Care to provide names, dates and/or
provincial case numbers to show that that actually happened?
Carter
The Other Mike
"Carter Lee" <cr...@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> The Other Mike wrote:
> > Here is a really sad thought. The Canadian Legal System seems to be
more
> > set up to protect criminals than the victims of a crime. I would
challange
> > anyone to prove me wrong, but they can't.
>
> I would take you up on that 'challenge' but it would be a duck shoot.
> You can't even spell the word right.
I never claimed that I knew how to spell.
>
> The Canadian justice system needs
> > a MAJOR overhaul before anyone will change my mind about this as well.
>
> If your mind is made up and cannot be changed what is the point of
> issuing a challenge?
>
> BTW what exactly is the system you take issue with, the legal system or
> the justice system?
>
> > Things like this thread only strengthen my convistion against the
judicial
> > system. Someone kills 4 people and injurs another and is getting
surgury
> > probably at the taxpayers expense and wants more and wants to be
transfered
> > to where someone will do the surgury....this is also sad.
>
> Are you suggesting that a prisoner is not entitled to health care?
I believe that they are entitled to health care as much as anyone, but why
should the canadian taxpayer have to pay for it? We all pay our AB Health,
or pay for whatever covrage we so choose to have, and perhaps get extra from
our employers, but that is paid for by our employers, not by the average
taxpayer.
>
> How is what a prisoner wants the fault of any system? BTW the system
> you are talking about is the Correctional system.
>
> > The Other Mike
> > For anyone that thinks I am wrong and would care to prove me wrong about
the
> > Candian Legal system please explain to me how a burgler who falls
through a
> > Skylight of a house that he is breaking into and lands on a knife and
cuts
> > himself wins a court case for thousands of dollars against the
homeowner.
> > BTW said burgler ADMITTED IN COURT that he was breaking into the house
with
> > the intent to steal items from the house.
>
> That sounds like urban legend. Care to provide names, dates and/or
> provincial case numbers to show that that actually happened?
As much as I would like to provide you with a case number it was a case
study that we took in school. I am also not the only person that has heard
of it when things of this nature are brought up in casual conversation.
>
> Carter
>
Besides picking apart my post, you seem to be saying that you don't see any
troubles....am I right in saying that you believe everything is fine?
veranda
is that , you people , care more about who said it than what it is
said .
Dude
"veranda" <nob...@home.com> wrote in message
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> veranda : another sad thing besides the truth spoken by Fabrikant
> is that , you people , care more about who said it than what it is
> said .
what he's saying is shit.
you mean you'll listen to this guy whine about how sad things are when he
murdered 4 people in cold blood?
Carter Lee
>
>
> I never claimed that I knew how to spell.
I know, and I know why.
>
>
>> The Canadian justice system needs
>>
>>>a MAJOR overhaul before anyone will change my mind about this as well.
>>
>>If your mind is made up and cannot be changed what is the point of
>>issuing a challenge?
>>
>>BTW what exactly is the system you take issue with, the legal system or
>>the justice system?
Not going to answer that question?
>>Are you suggesting that a prisoner is not entitled to health care?
>
> I believe that they are entitled to health care as much as anyone, but why
> should the canadian taxpayer have to pay for it?
Because by and large the Canadian tax payer pays for the vast majority
of health care in this country.
Who do you suggest should pay for the health care of prisoners?
We all pay our AB Health,
I don't.
> or pay for whatever covrage we so choose to have,
Your basic health care coverage is, as I said, paid for from tax
dollars. Anything you choose to have above that is a personal choice.
>>How is what a prisoner wants the fault of any system?
Not going to answer that question?
BTW the system
>>you are talking about is the Correctional system.
> As much as I would like to provide you with a case number it was a case
> study that we took in school.
Then you should easily be able to provide a case number or enough
information to show that the incident actually happened in Canada. I
seriously doubt that it did but if it did it is a very isolated and rare
occurrence and is not indicative of any systemic problem within Canadian
legal jurisprudence.
I am also not the only person that has heard
> of it when things of this nature are brought up in casual conversation.
Sure, most urban legend comes up in casual conversation all the time.
> Besides picking apart my post,
I'm not picking apart your post. I'm simply pointing out where you are
off track and asking some questions, most of which you have ignored.
If you post to usenet expect to have what you say challenged. You
started by saying that your mind is made up and can't be changed yet you
issued a challenge to prove you wrong. See any logic in that?
you seem to be saying that you don't see any
> troubles....
You misunderstand, I don't 'seem' to be saying anything. I am pointing
out the mistakes in what you are saying.
am I right in saying that you believe everything is fine?
No.
Your greatest beef seems to be that a convict in a Canadian penal
institution is entitled to health care, paid for with tax money, the
same as you are.
In expounding on that beef you have variously blamed the 'Legal system',
the 'Justice system' and the 'Judicial system' but forgot to mention
the system which is responsible for the convict's custody. That, and
the fact that you admit your mind is made up and can't be changed, gives
me a clue that you really don't know what you are talking about.
Go get a copy of the Canada Health act. In it you will find that every
body in Canada is entitled to basic health care. It does not say
everybody except convicts. The convict is still a citizen and entitled
to all the rights of citizenship except freedom of movement. Do you
disagree with that?
Carter
Wilhelm Von Xanax
>From: "Dude" du...@sweetness.com
Why not? Hitler killed millions of innocent people but copies of 'Mein Kampf',
movies about Hitler, theatrical productions, they all continue to attract the
masses the world over which proves that people want to hear about -that-
killer. Fabrikant is no different.
WVX
--
-- Go ahead and spam me. My inbox is closed anyway, so byte me.
wally
Wally
"veranda" <nob...@home.com> wrote in message
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Dude
"wally" <skyd...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> Wisdom is just that ,no matter who the messenger is or what he has done.
you're a moron.
Dude
he hates violence and how sad he is that violence is the only thing people
understand, and you people call that wisdom?
you're all retards and wasting our precious oxygen. Please castrate
yourselves immediately and stop polluting out gene pool with your idiocy.
Calgary Rob
> is that , you people , care more about who said it than what it is
> said .
How hard do you try to say something really stupid? It is sad that we care
who the source of the post is when the author is a mass murderer? Are you
that stupid?
veranda
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you're a moron.
>
>
veranda : "wally" didn't ask for examples but you are welcomed
anyway ! Next time make sure to include me on your 'moron' list .
:)
Max Power
> veranda : "wally" didn't ask for examples but you are welcomed
> anyway ! Next time make sure to include me on your 'moron' list .
I already did.
I said you people are retards and should castrate yourselves to prevent
further pollution of the gene pool.
veranda
news:Td4V9.31193$vR3.5...@weber.videotron.net...
> I said you people are retards and should castrate yourselves to
prevent
> further pollution of the gene pool.
>
Son !
Dr. Fred Mbogo
news:bb2V9.35250$sn2.5...@wagner.videotron.net:
> A convicted (and confessed and unrepented) insane murderor writes how much
> he hates violence and how sad he is that violence is the only thing people
> understand, and you people call that wisdom?
Wally is correct - valuable wisdom can come from any source.
That's not the same as saying any wisdom is currently coming from Fabby-
pants.
David Gaudine
The Other Mike <mi...@nucleus.com> wrote:
>
>As much as I would like to provide you with a case number it was a case
>study that we took in school. I am also not the only person that has heard
>of it when things of this nature are brought up in casual conversation.
How long ago were you in school? Just for fun I did a google search
for "knife skylight fell" and found this quote from the 1997 movie
"Liar, Liar"
> Secretary: A burglar tried to break into my friend's house,
> fell through a skylight, and cut his leg on a knife on the
> kitchen counter. He sued her and won $6,000. Is that justice?
> Fletcher: No. I woulda got him ten.
Could be original, could have been inspired by a real case, could have
been inspired by an urban legend, so overall I wasn't very successful.
The Other Mike
your questions. I will answer them now.
"Carter Lee" <cr...@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> The Other Mike wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I never claimed that I knew how to spell.
>
> I know, and I know why.
>
> >
> >
> >> The Canadian justice system needs
> >>
> >>>a MAJOR overhaul before anyone will change my mind about this as well.
The Canadian System does seem to be set up to protect the criminals more
than the crime victims and a major overhaul would be needed before I change
my mind that the system protects criminals more than victims.
> >>
> >>If your mind is made up and cannot be changed what is the point of
> >>issuing a challenge?
> >>
> >>BTW what exactly is the system you take issue with, the legal system or
> >>the justice system?
I take issue with any system that gives more protection and rights to people
that commit crimes over the victims of those crimes.
>
> Not going to answer that question?
>
>
> >>Are you suggesting that a prisoner is not entitled to health care?
> >
> > I believe that they are entitled to health care as much as anyone, but
why
> > should the canadian taxpayer have to pay for it?
>
> Because by and large the Canadian tax payer pays for the vast majority
> of health care in this country.
Canadian tax payer pays for the vast majority. Who pays for the rest? Oh,
wait that's right the priviate citizen.
>
> Who do you suggest should pay for the health care of prisoners?
I believe that prisoners should have to work in the prisons or someplace to
help to pay for a) their confinement, b) their food, c) Their healthcare and
taxes, and d) everything they else that they want or need.
>
> We all pay our AB Health,
>
> I don't.
You don't pay for your alberta health care, must be nice. Almost everyone
that I know does, or has it paid for by their employers, AB health still
gets their cut. Their has only been one person that I've known that didn't,
and that was because they were on welfare for a time and couldn't work do to
a back injury. They are now working again and paying for AB Health
>
> > or pay for whatever covrage we so choose to have,
>
> Your basic health care coverage is, as I said, paid for from tax
> dollars. Anything you choose to have above that is a personal choice.
Mine isn't. I have to pay for my basic healthcare. It may be subsidised,
but I still have to pay at least a portion of it.
>
>
> >>How is what a prisoner wants the fault of any system?
I never said that what a prisoner wants is the fault of the system. I want
a plasma screen TV, but I am not going to get one anytime soon. Wanting and
getting should be 2 different things, just like wants and needs.
>
> Not going to answer that question?
>
> BTW the system
> >>you are talking about is the Correctional system.
>
> > As much as I would like to provide you with a case number it was a case
> > study that we took in school.
>
> Then you should easily be able to provide a case number or enough
> information to show that the incident actually happened in Canada. I
> seriously doubt that it did but if it did it is a very isolated and rare
> occurrence and is not indicative of any systemic problem within Canadian
> legal jurisprudence.
It was a High School Law course and we didn't get to keep the textbooks,
just had to pay for the use of them for the year...If I still had it I would
be more than happy to give you a case number, but I will see what I can find
out for you.
>
> I am also not the only person that has heard
> > of it when things of this nature are brought up in casual conversation.
>
> Sure, most urban legend comes up in casual conversation all the time.
>
>
> > Besides picking apart my post,
>
> I'm not picking apart your post. I'm simply pointing out where you are
> off track and asking some questions, most of which you have ignored.
>
> If you post to usenet expect to have what you say challenged. You
> started by saying that your mind is made up and can't be changed yet you
> issued a challenge to prove you wrong. See any logic in that?
At current my mind is made up, I am not sitting on the fence about this. I
don't remember issueing a challange, I remember saying "I WOULD CHALLANGE,
but not "I CHALLANGE" slight difference. I did ask that anyone who wishes
to prove me wrong to explain to me how a theif can win millions from a home
owner for and injury obtained while admittedly breaking into the homeowners
residence.
>
> you seem to be saying that you don't see any
> > troubles....
>
> You misunderstand, I don't 'seem' to be saying anything. I am pointing
> out the mistakes in what you are saying.
>
> am I right in saying that you believe everything is fine?
>
> No.
>
> Your greatest beef seems to be that a convict in a Canadian penal
> institution is entitled to health care, paid for with tax money, the
> same as you are.
I am not saying that they are not entitled to healthcare. I am saying that
they should be working for it and not be getting it at the expense of the
rest of the public. Just like I don't think criminals should be getting
university degrees for free while they are in prison. I had to pay for
mine, why should they get one for free? If you or I had to go to a
difference place to recieve medical attention guess who would be paying for
it.
>
> In expounding on that beef you have variously blamed the 'Legal system',
> the 'Justice system' and the 'Judicial system' but forgot to mention
> the system which is responsible for the convict's custody. That, and
> the fact that you admit your mind is made up and can't be changed, gives
> me a clue that you really don't know what you are talking about.
Yes my mind is made up. The entire Canadian legal system, and I mean all
parts of it not just a few, needs to be fixed as it is flawed. Laws are not
enforced, or are enforced only sometimes, criminals get better housing and
meals than people who, for whatever reason, cannot feed themselve or their
families. They are not forced to work, but it is strongly encouraged, yet
they can get free schooling and health care, which, most of the rest of us
have to pay for.
>
> Go get a copy of the Canada Health act.
I think I will do that.
In it you will find that every
> body in Canada is entitled to basic health care.
Never said that someone wasn't, criminal or otherwise
It does not say
> everybody except convicts.
The convict is still a citizen and entitled
> to all the rights of citizenship except freedom of movement. Do you
> disagree with that?
I STRONGLY disagree with that. You think that jaiiled convicted people are
and should be entitled to everything everyone else is? I do not. Why
should someone who has violated the rights of someone else be given any
rights? Someone who robs a person leaves that person feeling violated, and
they are never the same after that. Do you think a rape victim is the same
and looks at people the same way after the incident as they did before?
Sorry I don't think criminals should be entitled to things that they get. I
think that once you break the law and violate someone elses rights they you
have forfited your own.
Lets say for the sake of arguement that someone murdered one, or both, of
your parents in cold blood without provocation, they just killed them. I
hope that it never happens for I would never wish that on anyone. Do you
think they should be entitled to live the rest of their life on easy street,
housed, clothed, feed, all medical needs looked after, doing nothing with
the rest of their lives but live off your tax dollars and the tax dollars of
the rest of the canadian public?
The Other Mike
Fabrikant
It does fall in the violence category, but in the category of violence
which brings good to this world.
Fabrikant
Phil
"Fabrikant" <benny_p...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "UserName" <a...@123.com> wrote in message
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> > "Fabrikant" <benny_p...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:9d2af54.03011...@posting.google.com...
> > >
> > > I call this posting "sad thoughts", because I have always hated
> > > violence, and I still do; it makes me sad to realize that human beings
> > > just do not get it, unless violence is involved. Sad.
> > >
> > > Fabrikant
> >
> > You really *do* need psychological help. As soon as possible.
> > Did you already forget what you did? You killed 4 teachers with
> > a gun! Doesn't that fall in the "violence" category? Or are you
> > FINALLY starting to repent?
>
> It does fall in the violence category, but in the category of violence
> which brings good to this world.
>
> Fabrikant
Without condoning the action (premeditated murder) itself, the point is
clear and (to some people) can sustain some validity. Bear in mind,
however, that it comes with a price. Keep in mind that you have not only
broken society's law, but you have also broken God's law. You will answer
for that after your own life comes to an end. I'm glad you have made peace
with your actions. However, I hope you are preparing yourself for what's to
come after your life has ended.
Carter Lee
> The Canadian System does seem to be set up to protect the criminals more
> than the crime victims and a major overhaul would be needed before I change
> my mind that the system protects criminals more than victims.
The operative word in that sentence is 'seem'. The judicial system is
designed to protect those charged with crimes, not criminals, from
unfair prosecution. Victims of crimes don't need that kind of
protection, they are not charged with anything.
Once a person is convicted and becomes a 'criminal' he is sentenced,
often to jail time. Please explain what 'protection' he then gets which
a victim of crime doesn't get.
> I take issue with any system that gives more protection and rights to people
> that commit crimes over the victims of those crimes.
So would I. The canadian judicial system however doesn't do that. It
only 'seems' to you that it does. If you really believe it does please
explain what 'protection' a person who commits a crime gets that a
victim of crime needs and doesn't get.
With regard to 'rights', a victim of crime loses none of his charter
rights while a convicted person sentenced to jail time loses his right
to move freely about the country. Please explain what 'rights' you
think a convicted person has that a victim of crime does not.
> Canadian tax payer pays for the vast majority. Who pays for the rest? Oh,
> wait that's right the priviate citizen.
The vast majority of health care is basic health care. The rest is
elective care such as cosmetic surgery.
> I believe that prisoners should have to work in the prisons or someplace to
> help to pay for a) their confinement, b) their food, c) Their healthcare and
> taxes, and d) everything they else that they want or need.
That idea has been suggested ad nauseam and been rejected over and over
again. Why has it been rejected? Think about it, in order to do what
you suggest the custodial staff and other custodial resources would have
to increase four fold, particularly if prisoners were put to work in
that place you call 'someplace'. On top of that, if prisoners were
forced to work outside of prisons they would be taking jobs from law
abiding citizens and the taxpayer would be on the hook for their
custody. I suggest you go talk to someone from the Canadian Labour
Congress about that.
Having said all that, prisoners do not spend their time doing nothing.
The do work inside the prison to help pay for the things you mention.
>
>
>> We all pay our AB Health,
>>
>>I don't.
>
>
> You don't pay for your alberta health care, must be nice.
Almost everyone
> that I know does, or has it paid for by their employers, AB health still
> gets their cut. Their has only been one person that I've known that didn't,
> and that was because they were on welfare for a time and couldn't work do to
> a back injury. They are now working again and paying for AB Health
There's something you don't understand. The Canadian Health Care system
is health insurance, you are required to pay a premium for coverage, the
same as for any other type of insurance. The one difference being that
the premium is waived for people who cannot afford to pay it such as
those on welfare or in prison. Because provinces are charged with the
administration of the system the payment of that premium is handled
differently in some provinces than it is in others. In Alberta you
obviously pay the premium directly, or through payroll deduction, to the
provincial health care system. In other provinces, such as Nova Scotia,
the premium is paid as part of provincial income tax.
Why don't I pay AB Health? I live in Nova Scotia.
>
>
>>>or pay for whatever covrage we so choose to have,
>>
>>Your basic health care coverage is, as I said, paid for from tax
>>dollars. Anything you choose to have above that is a personal choice.
>
>
> Mine isn't. I have to pay for my basic healthcare. It may be subsidised,
> but I still have to pay at least a portion of it.
You pay an insurance premium as all citizens do.
>>>>How is what a prisoner wants the fault of any system?
>>>
>
> I never said that what a prisoner wants is the fault of the system.
You inferred that.
> It was a High School Law course and we didn't get to keep the textbooks,
> just had to pay for the use of them for the year...If I still had it I would
> be more than happy to give you a case number, but I will see what I can find
> out for you.
I'll wait, don't forget.
> At current my mind is made up, I am not sitting on the fence about this. I
> don't remember issueing a challange, I remember saying "I WOULD CHALLANGE,
> but not "I CHALLANGE" slight difference.
...and like all people who have made their minds made up or closed them
you don't learn. You still can't spell that word.
BTW the difference is so slight as not to matter. You issued a
'challenge' to anybody who could change your mind.
I did ask that anyone who wishes
> to prove me wrong to explain to me how a theif can win millions from a home
> owner for and injury obtained while admittedly breaking into the homeowners
> residence.
According to you you don't need it explained. Your mind is made up and
it happened.
>>Your greatest beef seems to be that a convict in a Canadian penal
>>institution is entitled to health care, paid for with tax money, the
>>same as you are.
>
>
> I am not saying that they are not entitled to healthcare. I am saying that
> they should be working for it and not be getting it at the expense of the
> rest of the public.
AFAIK the only difference between them and you is that they don't have
to pay the premium, for obvious reasons.
Just like I don't think criminals should be getting
> university degrees for free while they are in prison.
Do you think they should be chained to stone walls and thrown a bone
once in a while?
I had to pay for
> mine, why should they get one for free?
You have a university degree? That explains why you can't spell and
don't seem to understand the way your society works and why.
If you or I had to go to a
> difference place to recieve medical attention guess who would be paying for
> it.
If it was prescribed, the taxpayer.
> Yes my mind is made up. The entire Canadian legal system, and I mean all
> parts of it not just a few, needs to be fixed as it is flawed. Laws are not
> enforced, or are enforced only sometimes, criminals get better housing and
> meals than people who, for whatever reason, cannot feed themselve or their
> families. They are not forced to work, but it is strongly encouraged, yet
> they can get free schooling and health care, which, most of the rest of us
> have to pay for.
As your mind is made up I guess it would do no good to try to explain to
you that you are mistaken or why things are the way they are, you
wouldn't listen.
> The convict is still a citizen and entitled
>
>>to all the rights of citizenship except freedom of movement. Do you
>>disagree with that?
>
>
> I STRONGLY disagree with that. You think that jaiiled convicted people are
> and should be entitled to everything everyone else is? I do not.
No I don't think that. I know however, something which your university
education obviously never taught you, that the rights of citizenship (If
you look up at my question you will note that is what I was talking
about) cannot be taken away except in very rare circumstances. A jailed
murderer does not cease to be a citizen of this country because he is a
jailed murderer. Most people convicted of crimes and imprisoned give up
only their charter right of freedom of movement, they are still citizens
and retain the privileges of citizenship. One of the privileges of
citizenship in this country is access to basic health care, no
limitations, no ifs ands or buts.
Why
> should someone who has violated the rights of someone else be given any
> rights?
Because we don't live in the dark ages? Because in our society we treat
people as people and not animals? Because the Charter of rights, which
happens to be part of this Country's constitution, says that basic human
rights can be abrogated only when it can be justified in a free and
democratic society?
Let's hear your justification for denying the privileges of citizenship
to someone convicted of a crime.
Someone who robs a person leaves that person feeling violated, and
> they are never the same after that.
That's just not true. It's socialistic pap.
Do you think a rape victim is the same
> and looks at people the same way after the incident as they did before?
No I don't think that.
> Sorry I don't think criminals should be entitled to things that they get. I
> think that once you break the law and violate someone elses rights they you
> have forfited your own.
Then your university education has taught you nothing. That's sad.
>
> Lets say for the sake of arguement that someone murdered one, or both, of
> your parents in cold blood without provocation, they just killed them. I
> hope that it never happens for I would never wish that on anyone. Do you
> think they should be entitled to live the rest of their life on easy street,
No and putting them in prison is not 'easy street'.
> housed,
Where would you put them, on the street?
clothed,
Are you suggesting we should force them to go naked?
feed,
You can't be suggesting we let them starve, are you?
all medical needs looked after,
That is a right of citizenship.
doing nothing with
> the rest of their lives but live off your tax dollars and the tax dollars of
> the rest of the canadian public?
If you think that is what prisoners do you are sadly misinformed. I
suggest you visit one of our federal prisons for an eye opener.
Mike you appear to be someone who doesn't know, despite your university
education, how your society works and why. You have large
misconceptions about what government systems are responsible for what.
You appear to be unaware that this country has a constitution and
imbedded in it is a Charter of rights and freedoms.
You also seem to have a closed mind on many issues. I believe that
comes from a lack of knowledge.
Take if from a guy who has been around a long time, learn a little about
how your society works and why. That knowledge can help you to express
your dissatisfaction in a focused manner rather than in the general
manner (For instance the idea that convicts spend their lives on easy
street) that you have demonstrated here.
Carter
Cold Cathoid
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> > "Fabrikant" <benny_p...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:9d2af54.03011...@posting.google.com...
> > >
> > > I call this posting "sad thoughts", because I have always hated
> > > violence, and I still do; it makes me sad to realize that human beings
> > > just do not get it, unless violence is involved. Sad.
> > >
> > > Fabrikant
> >
> > You really *do* need psychological help. As soon as possible.
> > Did you already forget what you did? You killed 4 teachers with
> > a gun! Doesn't that fall in the "violence" category? Or are you
> > FINALLY starting to repent?
>
> It does fall in the violence category, but in the category of violence
> which brings good to this world.
>
world? Who elected you the judge, jury and executioner of these people? Is
it good that the family of the people who butchered are forever ruined? Is
it good that there are possibly children growing up without fathers? You
killed 4 people who had no way of defending themselves.
The Other Mike
> The Other Mike wrote:
>
> > The Canadian System does seem to be set up to protect the criminals more
> > than the crime victims and a major overhaul would be needed before I
change
> > my mind that the system protects criminals more than victims.
>
> The operative word in that sentence is 'seem'. The judicial system is
> designed to protect those charged with crimes, not criminals, from
> unfair prosecution. Victims of crimes don't need that kind of
> protection, they are not charged with anything.
commited upon them? The Rape victim asked to be raped? the guy that got
shot asked to be shot? These people deserved to have their right to safety
utterly destroyed? Get real.
>
> Once a person is convicted and becomes a 'criminal' he is sentenced,
> often to jail time. Please explain what 'protection' he then gets which
> a victim of crime doesn't get.
Victim get nothing, doesn't get compensation for the crime that was
committed against them. Maybe they get treatment for whatever ails them
afterwards, be it physical, or mental, maybe they even get it paid for, but
I haven't heard of it happening. More often than not that I have heard
about the victims have to pay for it. My question to you is why does this
happen? Because the system puts the criminals in jail and forgets about the
victims.
>
>
> > I take issue with any system that gives more protection and rights to
people
> > that commit crimes over the victims of those crimes.
>
> So would I. The canadian judicial system however doesn't do that. It
> only 'seems' to you that it does. If you really believe it does please
> explain what 'protection' a person who commits a crime gets that a
> victim of crime needs and doesn't get.
There was a case in several years ago that was on a TV documentary about 6
months ago about a woman who cliamed to have been raped by her doctor. The
Doctor was a well respected member of the community and gave to charity.
When the woman came forward she was shunned by the community and ended up
having to move before it even went to trial. To make a long story short
after several years of investigation and DNA testing the Doctor was found
out to have raped the woman. The doctor had his licence to practice
medicine taken away and was jailed. What happened after that I don't
remember. The woman got nothing....oh wait my mistake, she got shunned by
the original community, had to move and pay for th emove herselfand got zero
in compensation from the doctor or the courts. This is the Canadian
Judicial System that doesn't protect criminals. Maybe your right maybe it
doesn't protect criminals, but it sure doesn't do anything for victims.
>
> With regard to 'rights', a victim of crime loses none of his charter
> rights while a convicted person sentenced to jail time loses his right
> to move freely about the country. Please explain what 'rights' you
> think a convicted person has that a victim of crime does not.
I find interesting is that you seem to be defending criminals, just like the
judicial system. Who defends the victims...oh wait that's right its to late
to defend them. Their part is already done so we don't care about them
anymore.
>
>
> > Canadian tax payer pays for the vast majority. Who pays for the rest?
Oh,
> > wait that's right the priviate citizen.
>
> The vast majority of health care is basic health care. The rest is
> elective care such as cosmetic surgery.
>
>
> > I believe that prisoners should have to work in the prisons or someplace
to
> > help to pay for a) their confinement, b) their food, c) Their healthcare
and
> > taxes, and d) everything they else that they want or need.
>
> That idea has been suggested ad nauseam and been rejected over and over
> again. Why has it been rejected? Think about it, in order to do what
> you suggest the custodial staff and other custodial resources would have
> to increase four fold, particularly if prisoners were put to work in
> that place you call 'someplace'.
someplace....hmmm chaingang picking up garbage along provincial highways,
planting trees, etc. We'll stick to summer months so you don't think I am
cruel to work them outside in the cold.
interesting how I infer things that I don't say and don't infer things that
I elude to. The WE that I was eluding to is the group that pays their AB
health lives in Alberta. We in Alberta pay provincial tax AND AB health. I
am goign to stop discussing paying for health care at this point as it a
discussion for another thread.
> >
> >
> >>>or pay for whatever covrage we so choose to have,
> >>
> >>Your basic health care coverage is, as I said, paid for from tax
> >>dollars. Anything you choose to have above that is a personal choice.
> >
> >
> > Mine isn't. I have to pay for my basic healthcare. It may be
subsidised,
> > but I still have to pay at least a portion of it.
>
> You pay an insurance premium as all citizens do.
>
>
> >>>>How is what a prisoner wants the fault of any system?
> >>>
> >
> > I never said that what a prisoner wants is the fault of the system.
>
> You inferred that.
How did I infer that what a prisoner wants is the fault of the system?
>
>
> > It was a High School Law course and we didn't get to keep the textbooks,
> > just had to pay for the use of them for the year...If I still had it I
would
> > be more than happy to give you a case number, but I will see what I can
find
> > out for you.
>
> I'll wait, don't forget.
>
>
>
> > At current my mind is made up, I am not sitting on the fence about this.
I
> > don't remember issueing a challange, I remember saying "I WOULD
CHALLANGE,
> > but not "I CHALLANGE" slight difference.
>
> ...and like all people who have made their minds made up or closed them
> you don't learn. You still can't spell that word.
>
> BTW the difference is so slight as not to matter. You issued a
> 'challenge' to anybody who could change your mind.
I would jump off the CN tower....I jumped off the CN tower....tell you what
you jump I'll stick to would. We'll meet on the street and discuss how
slight a difference it is ok?
>
> I did ask that anyone who wishes
> > to prove me wrong to explain to me how a theif can win millions from a
home
> > owner for and injury obtained while admittedly breaking into the
homeowners
> > residence.
>
> According to you you don't need it explained. Your mind is made up and
> it happened.
I was trying to infer that to prove me wrong that the system isn't flawed
then to explain how a theif can win a court case against a home owner for an
accident the theif brought upon himself by trying to break into said
homeowners house.
>
>
>
> >>Your greatest beef seems to be that a convict in a Canadian penal
> >>institution is entitled to health care, paid for with tax money, the
> >>same as you are.
> >
> >
> > I am not saying that they are not entitled to healthcare. I am saying
that
> > they should be working for it and not be getting it at the expense of
the
> > rest of the public.
>
> AFAIK the only difference between them and you is that they don't have
> to pay the premium, for obvious reasons.
What are the obvious reasons why they can't work for minimum wage and pay,
from the wage they make, their health premiums, shelter, food, clothing.
etc. If a criminal wants to get an education more power to them, they can
pay for it to.
>
> Just like I don't think criminals should be getting
> > university degrees for free while they are in prison.
>
> Do you think they should be chained to stone walls and thrown a bone
> once in a while?
I think they should be forced to work and make a wage for working.
>
> I had to pay for
> > mine, why should they get one for free?
>
> You have a university degree? That explains why you can't spell and
> don't seem to understand the way your society works and why.
>
> If you or I had to go to a
> > difference place to recieve medical attention guess who would be paying
for
> > it.
>
> If it was prescribed, the taxpayer.
So when should I tell my mother to expect the check from the taxpayer for
her treatment at the mayo clinic in the US which was the only place in North
America, at the time, that she was able to get treatment for an illness she
had?
>
>
> > Yes my mind is made up. The entire Canadian legal system, and I mean
all
> > parts of it not just a few, needs to be fixed as it is flawed. Laws are
not
> > enforced, or are enforced only sometimes, criminals get better housing
and
> > meals than people who, for whatever reason, cannot feed themselve or
their
> > families. They are not forced to work, but it is strongly encouraged,
yet
> > they can get free schooling and health care, which, most of the rest of
us
> > have to pay for.
>
> As your mind is made up I guess it would do no good to try to explain to
> you that you are mistaken or why things are the way they are, you
> wouldn't listen.
I listen and read well, spelling is my downfall, one of many and I admit
that, tell me where I am wrong and I will read and I will tell you why I
think I am right and if you can provide me with proof that I am wrong then I
will most likely change my mind. I say most likely as why should I change
my mind if I can provide proff that I am right? Is that fair?
>
>
> > The convict is still a citizen and entitled
> >
> >>to all the rights of citizenship except freedom of movement. Do you
> >>disagree with that?
> >
> >
> > I STRONGLY disagree with that. You think that jaiiled convicted people
are
> > and should be entitled to everything everyone else is? I do not.
>
> No I don't think that. I know however, something which your university
> education obviously never taught you, that the rights of citizenship (If
> you look up at my question you will note that is what I was talking
> about) cannot be taken away except in very rare circumstances. A jailed
> murderer does not cease to be a citizen of this country because he is a
> jailed murderer. Most people convicted of crimes and imprisoned give up
> only their charter right of freedom of movement, they are still citizens
> and retain the privileges of citizenship. One of the privileges of
> citizenship in this country is access to basic health care, no
> limitations, no ifs ands or buts.
4 angioplasties is basic health care....what else falls into basic health
care in Nova Scotia?
Your right, they don't live on easy street, but they don't have to worry
about finding a place to live, thats been taken care of, they don't have to
worry about where their next meal is coming from, that's been taken care of,
job, nope they don't have to worry about finding one, its been taken care of
too. Have you ever had to worry about where any of these things come from?
> Carter
>
>
CalgaryBill
"The Other Mike" <mi...@nucleus.com> wrote in message
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A minor addendum here ... a jailed criminal actually gets, at taxpayer
expense, what is probably better care than the self-employed taxpayer. The
convict doesn't pay for medication, nor ambulance transportation, etc. This
is clearly an area where the convicted criminal gets preferential treatment
over the taxpayer.
Carter Lee
> "Carter Lee" <cr...@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>The operative word in that sentence is 'seem'. The judicial system is
>>designed to protect those charged with crimes, not criminals, from
>>unfair prosecution. Victims of crimes don't need that kind of
>>protection, they are not charged with anything.
>
> Are you implying that the victim of a crime deserved to have the crime
> commited upon them?
No.
The Rape victim asked to be raped?
No.
the guy that got
> shot asked to be shot?
No.
These people deserved to have their right to safety
> utterly destroyed? Get real.
No I never implied that, nor did I say that.
>
>
>>Once a person is convicted and becomes a 'criminal' he is sentenced,
>>often to jail time. Please explain what 'protection' he then gets which
>>a victim of crime doesn't get.
>
> Victim get nothing, doesn't get compensation for the crime that was
> committed against them.
Who do you suggest should compensate victims of crime?
Maybe they get treatment for whatever ails them
> afterwards, be it physical, or mental, maybe they even get it paid for, but
> I haven't heard of it happening.
It does happen, often paid for by the health care system.
More often than not that I have heard
> about the victims have to pay for it.
Not if it's medical treatment.
My question to you is why does this
> happen? Because the system puts the criminals in jail and forgets about the
> victims.
What system are you talking about? The judicial system? The judicial
system is designed to deal with crime and punishment. What is it
exactly that you want it to do for victims of crime?
If I have my car stolen why should the Judicial system compensate me?
There is an insurance system to do that. If I suffer some sort of
mental anguish because of the theft what do you suppose the judicial
system can do for me that the health care system cannot?
Victims of crime are not forgotten about, they are just not the
responsibility of the judicial system. There is one area where victims
of crime are involved in the judicial system however, they can have
input into sentencing hearings. Ask any judge or lawyer however and
they will rightly tell you that that is 'feel good' input only as a
victim is really in no position to offer an unbiased opinion on
sentencing.
>>So would I. The canadian judicial system however doesn't do that. It
>>only 'seems' to you that it does. If you really believe it does please
>>explain what 'protection' a person who commits a crime gets that a
>>victim of crime needs and doesn't get.
>
> There was a case in several years ago that was on a TV documentary about 6
> months ago about a woman who cliamed to have been raped by her doctor. The
> Doctor was a well respected member of the community and gave to charity.
> When the woman came forward she was shunned by the community and ended up
> having to move before it even went to trial.
What exactly do you suppose the judicial system could have done about
that, arrest all the people who shunned her?
To make a long story short
> after several years of investigation and DNA testing the Doctor was found
> out to have raped the woman. The doctor had his licence to practice
> medicine taken away and was jailed.
Sounds as if the judicial system worked.
What happened after that I don't
> remember. The woman got nothing....
What exactly, other than the satisfaction of seeing her rapist go to
jail, do you think she should have got from the judicial system?
oh wait my mistake, she got shunned by
> the original community,
What do you think the judicial system could or should have done about that?
had to move and pay for th emove herself
Was the move her choice?
and got zero
> in compensation from the doctor or the courts.
The court was a criminal court, what do you suppose it could have given
her as compensation?
This is the Canadian
> Judicial System that doesn't protect criminals. Maybe your right maybe it
> doesn't protect criminals, but it sure doesn't do anything for victims.
...except of course put the victim's attackers behind bars. What
exactly is it that you think the judicial system should do for victims
that other 'social' systems cannot do?
>
>
>>With regard to 'rights', a victim of crime loses none of his charter
>>rights while a convicted person sentenced to jail time loses his right
>>to move freely about the country. Please explain what 'rights' you
>>think a convicted person has that a victim of crime does not.
>
> I find interesting is that you seem to be defending criminals, just like the
> judicial system.
There's that word again, 'seem'. I'm not defending criminals, I'm just
trying to educate you about how the system works.
Who defends the victims...oh wait that's right its to late
> to defend them. Their part is already done so we don't care about them
> anymore.
Do they need a defence that can be supplied by the judicial system? You
are mixing apples and oranges here. The judicial system deals with
crime and punishment. If a victim of crime is affected by the crime to
the extent that he needs help, other than the help that would come from
seeing his attacker convicted, there are other systems like health and
social systems to come to his aid.
>>That idea has been suggested ad nauseam and been rejected over and over
>>again. Why has it been rejected? Think about it, in order to do what
>>you suggest the custodial staff and other custodial resources would have
>>to increase four fold, particularly if prisoners were put to work in
>>that place you call 'someplace'.
>
> someplace....hmmm chaingang picking up garbage along provincial highways,
> planting trees, etc. We'll stick to summer months so you don't think I am
> cruel to work them outside in the cold.
don't be childish. I have explained why that is not done. You will
also note that in the US chain gangs are no longer used, for the same
reasons.
> interesting how I infer things that I don't say and don't infer things that
> I elude to.
Yes isn't it?
The WE that I was eluding to is the group that pays their AB
> health lives in Alberta. We in Alberta pay provincial tax AND AB health.
Of course you do but your health premiums are not included in your
income tax bill, as mine are. We both pay, just in different ways.
>>>>>>How is what a prisoner wants the fault of any system?
>>>>>
>>>I never said that what a prisoner wants is the fault of the system.
>>
>>You inferred that.
>
> How did I infer that what a prisoner wants is the fault of the system?
By saying this;
> Here is a really sad thought. The Canadian Legal System seems to be more
> set up to protect criminals than the victims of a crime. I would challange
> anyone to prove me wrong, but they can't. The Canadian justice system needs
> a MAJOR overhaul before anyone will change my mind about this as well.
> Things like this thread only strengthen my convistion against the judicial
> system. Someone kills 4 people and injurs another and is getting surgury
> probably at the taxpayers expense and wants more and wants to be transfered
> to where someone will do the surgury....this is also sad.
That last sentence of yours, whether you recognize it or not, infers
that, because a prisoner wants something, the system is at fault.
>>BTW the difference is so slight as not to matter. You issued a
>>'challenge' to anybody who could change your mind.
>
> I would jump off the CN tower....I jumped off the CN tower....tell you what
> you jump I'll stick to would. We'll meet on the street and discuss how
> slight a difference it is ok?
Whatever you say.
> I was trying to infer that to prove me wrong that the system isn't flawed
> then to explain how a theif can win a court case against a home owner for an
> accident the theif brought upon himself by trying to break into said
> homeowners house.
Huh? Is that incomplete sentence supposed to have some meaning?
>>AFAIK the only difference between them and you is that they don't have
>>to pay the premium, for obvious reasons.
>
> What are the obvious reasons why they can't work for minimum wage and pay,
> from the wage they make, their health premiums, shelter, food, clothing.
Those kinds of jobs are just not available in prison for everybody and
the taxpayer would not put up with the cost of escorting prisoners to a
job outside, nor would the public put up with having convicted criminals
working among them wile serving sentences. Those are the obvious
reasons and I thought I would be insulting the intelligence of a
university graduate to state them previously. See the problem?
> etc. If a criminal wants to get an education more power to them, they can
> pay for it to.
I suppose they could, if they had the money.
>
>
>> Just like I don't think criminals should be getting
>>
>>>university degrees for free while they are in prison.
>>
>>Do you think they should be chained to stone walls and thrown a bone
>>once in a while?
>
> I think they should be forced to work and make a wage for working.
See above. Now tell us where and at what the should be forced to work.
>> If you or I had to go to a
>>
>>>difference place to recieve medical attention guess who would be paying
>>
> for
>
>>>it.
>>
>>If it was prescribed, the taxpayer.
>
> So when should I tell my mother to expect the check from the taxpayer for
> her treatment at the mayo clinic in the US which was the only place in North
> America, at the time, that she was able to get treatment for an illness she
> had?
Was the treatment prescribed to be given at the Mayo or was it her
decision to go there. If the Health Care System sent her there it pays,
if she went on her own she pays. What has that got to do with prisoners
getting basic health care.
>>As your mind is made up I guess it would do no good to try to explain to
>>you that you are mistaken or why things are the way they are, you
>>wouldn't listen.
>
> I listen and read well, spelling is my downfall, one of many and I admit
> that, tell me where I am wrong and I will read and I will tell you why I
> think I am right and if you can provide me with proof that I am wrong then I
> will most likely change my mind.
I have done that.
I say most likely as why should I change
> my mind if I can provide proff that I am right? Is that fair?
Yep, prove you are right.
>>>and should be entitled to everything everyone else is? I do not.
>>
>>No I don't think that. I know however, something which your university
>>education obviously never taught you, that the rights of citizenship (If
>>you look up at my question you will note that is what I was talking
>>about) cannot be taken away except in very rare circumstances. A jailed
>>murderer does not cease to be a citizen of this country because he is a
>>jailed murderer. Most people convicted of crimes and imprisoned give up
>>only their charter right of freedom of movement, they are still citizens
>>and retain the privileges of citizenship. One of the privileges of
>>citizenship in this country is access to basic health care, no
>>limitations, no ifs ands or buts.
>
> 4 angioplasties is basic health care....
If a doctor prescribes it as a life saving measure, yes!
what else falls into basic health
> care in Nova Scotia?
Anything a doctor deems necessary to preserve life.
> Your right, they don't live on easy street, but they don't have to worry
> about finding a place to live, thats been taken care of,
So what would you do to prisoners to ensure that they do have to worry
about a place to live?
they don't have to
> worry about where their next meal is coming from, that's been taken care of,
So what would you do to prisoners to ensure that they do have to worry
about where their next meal is coming from?
> job, nope they don't have to worry about finding one, its been taken care of
> too.
So what would you do to prisoners to ensure that they do have to worry
about finding a job?
When you tell me these things prove that you are right.
Have you ever had to worry about where any of these things come from?
Sure but that is both irrelevant and immaterial to this discussion.
Carter
UserName
> > Did you already forget what you did? You killed 4 teachers with
> > a gun! Doesn't that fall in the "violence" category? Or are you
> > FINALLY starting to repent?
>
> It does fall in the violence category, but in the category of violence
> which brings good to this world.
>
> Fabrikant
You are indeed sick. Sick, sick, sick... You kill 4 people and seem
to think you did the world a favor? Please do me a favor and seek
help. If not for yourself, do it for your misguided son who posts your
messages. It's not too late to try to set a good example for the boy.
If he is prone to the same psychological disorder that you seem to
have, then perhaps he'd follow your footsteps and seek help. Hopefully
before he does what you did at Concordia.
Carter Lee
> A minor addendum here ... a jailed criminal actually gets, at taxpayer
> expense, what is probably better care than the self-employed taxpayer. The
> convict doesn't pay for medication, nor ambulance transportation, etc. This
> is clearly an area where the convicted criminal gets preferential treatment
> over the taxpayer.
That's true. The treatment is not however 'preferential' rather, having
regard to the circumstances of being locked up and unable to pay, it is
necessary from a humane perspective. It is the same as is done for a
welfare recipient. Really what is the option?
Carter
veranda
"violence" >>category? Or are you FINALLY starting to repent?
>
violence
> which brings good to this world.
>
world . Don't send us to your web site , just explain in a few
paragraphs .
Your credibility rest on this .
Black Jaque Shellacque
>>
> veranda : please explain to us how your killings made a better
>world . Don't send us to your web site , just explain in a few
>paragraphs .
> Your credibility rest on this .
>
I'll second that. All I have been reading is that you believe they were
after you so you killed them. Is the world a better place? No. There
are 4 families who live in sadness because of the crime you committed.
How is the sadness and grief of those 4 families making the world a
better place? I and everyone else await your response.
>
>
>
>
--
===========
"Back Up My Hard Drive? How do I Put it in Reverse?"
Eat Dirt
"The Other Mike" <mi...@nucleus.com> wrote:
> I never claimed that I knew how to spell.
Don't pay attention to this Carter lee, he's the Calgary Rob of the
east. Proly his brother or another member of what seems to be a deeply
inbred family.
--
2003 is going extremely well for me thus far and it just keeps
on getting better. And there are still some 350 days to go.
Someone please hold me!
Eat Dirt (to send email, remove spaces: eatdirt339 @ yahoo.com)
Fabrikant
When scoundrel is killed, the world becomes a better place. I AM the
victim here: people I killed were abusers.
Fabrikant
Marc Dumont
Fabrikant wrote:
Do you think the people you killed were viewed as 'abusers' by their families? Certainly if what you
say is true, then your persecutors must have conducted themselves in a similar manner with their friends
and family, wouldn't you agree?
Funny we never heard about such behaviour on their part during your trial.
Cold Cathoid
"Fabrikant" <benny_p...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "veranda" <nob...@home.com> wrote in message
news:<kaoV9.42348$sV3.2...@news3.calgary.shaw.ca>...
> > > "UserName" <a...@123.com> wrote in message
> > news:<6bSU9.29614$sn2.4...@wagner.videotron.net>...
> > >> You killed 4 teachers with a gun! Doesn't that fall in the
> > "violence" >>category? Or are you FINALLY starting to repent?
> > >
> > "Fabrikant" <benny_p...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:9d2af54.03011...@posting.google.com...
> > > It does fall in the violence category, but in the category of
> > violence
> > > which brings good to this world.
> > >
> > veranda : please explain to us how your killings made a better
> > world . Don't send us to your web site , just explain in a few
> > paragraphs .
> > Your credibility rest on this .
>
> When scoundrel is killed, the world becomes a better place. I AM the
> victim here: people I killed were abusers.
>
rambling website and read other non-bias articles about you. Sounds like
there were improper actions commited by both sides. Both you, Fabrikant, and
by some people at Concordia. When you shot and killed these people they had
no way to defend themselves. You slaughtered unarmed people. Why? Because
you perceived a threat. If you felt your life was threatened why didn't you
go to the police? Or leave Concordia?
As I said there were apparantly improper actions on both sides. I think you
brought a lot of it on yourself. You seem to think you are 100% innocent. I
disagree. You chose to take the law into your own hands and end four lives
and ruin four families. You are not a victim, you are a coward who refuses
to admit he went too far. You chose to be judge, jury and executioner. Being
a scoundral does not equal a death penalty.
Rot in peach Fabrikant.
Kevin
is to make the world a better place.
I believe that if you are dead it will make the world a better place....
So will you agree to kill yourself if i find enough people that want your
death???
Cold Cathoid
"Kevin" <kevin_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b06thf$qhn$1...@dns3.cae.ca...
> Ok,given what you say, people should be able to kill someone if the
purpose
> is to make the world a better place.
>
> I believe that if you are dead it will make the world a better place....
>
> So will you agree to kill yourself if i find enough people that want your
> death???
>
>
The Other Mike
here as you don't even remeber things from your own previous posts.
Have a nice life.
"Carter Lee" <cr...@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3E2608F2...@ns.sympatico.ca...
Carter Lee
> As much as this discussion has been absolutly stimulating I am ending it
> here as you don't even remeber things from your own previous posts.
> Have a nice life.
You too, even though you do have much to learn about your society. I
sincerely hope that learning takes place.
Carter
UserName
> death???
Where do we vote?
veranda
> victim here: people I killed were abusers.
>
are other methods to get even - more elegant - than killing them .
With your brains I am sure you could gather enough proof to have
them dismissed from their positions . That would have being sweet
revenge indeed and you could still be a professor at the University .
So there are too possibilities : a) you were not really abused
.... or b) you got a really violent nature . What do you think ?
The Blacks
to proceed further, they are responsible for the cost. The reasoning behind
paying for some education would be to address the criminogenic needs of the
person. I am pretty sure that most Canadians would agree that rather than
just retribution/revenge, an incarcerated person should be addressing what
led them to the criminal justice system in the first place, so that
hopefully they will not continue on the same path.
If Joe Blow can't read or write, has no life skills such as hygiene/job
interview skills, etc, and nothing is done to help him with these needs,
well guess what - I think Joe will continue on to hold up convenience
stores. Personally, I would rather Joe got a job in a warehouse or
something.
As for health care - we are sentencing people to a term of incarceration,
not death! If you are locked up and do not have a middle-class savings
account to pay for your own health care, shall we let the bacterial
infection eat away at you - too bad, you got caught doing a crime? That's
obviously silly.
I have to agree that victims are far removed from the justice process, and a
lot of work needs to be done in this area.
>"Just like I don't think criminals should be getting
>university degrees for free while they are in prison. I had to pay for
>mine, why should they get one for free? "
"The Other Mike" <mi...@nucleus.com> wrote in message
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Fabrikant
> "Fabrikant" <benny_p...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:9d2af54.03011...@posting.google.com...
> > When scoundrel is killed, the world becomes a better place. I AM the
> > victim here: people I killed were abusers.
> >
> veranda : I am not disputing if they abused you or not , but there
> are other methods to get even - more elegant - than killing them .
I did ALL humanly possible.
Fabrikant
Fabrikant
> Do you think the people you killed were viewed as 'abusers' by their families? Certainly if what you
> say is true, then your persecutors must have conducted themselves in a similar manner with their friends
> and family, wouldn't you agree?
>
> Funny we never heard about such behaviour on their part during your trial.
Try to concentrate. Goebbels was a good and loving father and devoted
husband, so were Gotti and many other criminals. Are you getting the
point? It might very well be that my abusers were good fathers and
devoted husbands. They threatened my life and paid with their lives.
They had the choice to do it or not to do it, I had no choice.
Fabrikant
MadRedHatter
didn't you give them a fighting chance? Why murder them in cold blood? Why
didn't you call the police? Why didn't you leave Concordia? Life is full of
choices Fabrikant. You chose a cowards way out and are now rotting in jail.
MadRedHatter
No you didn't .. lies lies lies ... why didn't you leave Concordia? Move
somewhere else? Were you physically being restrained at Concordia?
veranda
. They threatened my life and paid with their lives.
> They had the choice to do it or not to do it, I had no choice.
>
a covert recording to have it as evidence for the police and ask for
protection and prosecution ... Why ?
Glenn Hawley
>They threatened my life and paid with their lives.
>They had the choice to do it or not to do it, I had no choice.
>
>Fabrikant
Well, no, not really. There was no scintlla of evidence presented that any of
them were armed with anything more dangerous than a ballpoint pen. You've
obviously got some serious delusions going on here, and I seriously doubt your
tales that some of them might have been trying to take credit for your work.
Jeff T
So says the walking talking reason why capital punishment should be brought
back in Canada. Either go back to rotting in your cell murderer, or stick to
subjects you still have credibility in (science), pleading your case that
you had no other choice is a whole load of bullshit being fed out by a
murderer.
Jeff T
Fabrikant
> >
> When you shot them dead were they at that moment a threat to your life? Why
> didn't you give them a fighting chance? Why murder them in cold blood? Why
> didn't you call the police? Why didn't you leave Concordia? Life is full of
> choices Fabrikant. You chose a cowards way out and are now rotting in jail.
Read my file.
Fabrikant
Fabrikant
> >
> veranda : they threatened you and you were not able to arrange for
> a covert recording to have it as evidence for the police and ask for
> protection and prosecution ... Why ?
Read my file.
Fabrikant
Fabrikant
Read my file.
Fabrikant
MadRedHatter
file now answer my questions.
MadRedHatter
file". Well most of us did and have questions about it. Why do you fear to
answer them? Why do you fear putting your account up to scrutiny?
Sanctuary
>MadRedHatter
Valerie Fabrikant killed 4 persons
IT S NOT A JOKE!
to all: if you want to see his story!
MadRedHatter
"Sanctuary" <sanc...@videotron.com> wrote in message
news:4c983v0g76d84l4rr...@4ax.com...
Oh I know it's not a joke. Thanks for the link. It really helped me
understand this case even more.
>
Fabrikant
Because all your questions are answered in my file. If AFTER reading
my file, you still have questions, I would happy to answer them.
Fabrikant
MadRedHatter
please answer my questions. Let's have a discussion here.
FrozenSun
> Because all your questions are answered in my file. If AFTER reading
> my file, you still have questions, I would happy to answer them.
>
> Fabrikant
this sounds like clonaid saying that it has clones
if you have the answer in your file why not cut and paste them? it's
THAT easy
we have the proof that you are guilty, is up to you to proof us wrong
i know why you can't and why you wrote 100 pages bed story for retards
kids like isak
cause is a big pile of shit, a waste of paper, waste of bits
travelling trough the net
"the world is against me" kind of "theory"
guess what?
you are NOT that special
just a little coward/cry ba
by
nothing more nothing less
it's very very very strange how you systematicly refuse to answer
questions,
just like your promise this summer that we WILL NOT BE POSTING in this
ng anymore
i guess that your little retard brain ( heritage from that weak DNA
that your father left you) realized that no one fucking cares about
your sad excuses for your demented acts.
as you always sign
Disrespecfully yours
FrozenSun
Fabrikant
> I read your file and don't see clear answers to my questions. So I ask again
> please answer my questions. Let's have a discussion here.
Clearly you did NOT read my file. For example, you ask why didn't I
leave Concordia. If you read my file, you would have known that
reasons for shooting had NOTHING to do with Concordia. It was the
contempt of court accusation and related death threats which prompted
the shooting. Are you getting it? All the other questions of yours
proved the same point: you have not read the file.
Fabrikant
Jeff T
"Fabrikant" <benny_p...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > >
Bah! The jury came back on you a long time ago Fabrikant. GUILTY!
Premeditated murder is punishable by death in some of the States, damn shame
we couldn't export you there for the trial... Oh well... Rot.
Jeff T
UserName
> leave Concordia. If you read my file, you would have known that
> reasons for shooting had NOTHING to do with Concordia. It was the
> contempt of court accusation and related death threats which prompted
> the shooting. Are you getting it? All the other questions of yours
> proved the same point: you have not read the file.
Many people don't want to read your nonsense. The point is simple: you
should have done something OTHER than killing those innocent people. Either
leave, pursue legal action, complain to your superior, etc... Killing people
just isn't an option. And don't try to convince me that it was
self-defence, 'cause that's a load of bull. The judge didn't buy that, and
neither does anyone else. You committed premeditated murder, and for that
you should be shot and pissed upon. Now please stop making your son post
these messages for you. What kind of father are you to put him in this
position?
MadRedHatter
"Fabrikant" <benny_p...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > >
Wrong Fabrikant ... the supposed death threats were from people at
Concordia. If Concordia was such a bad place for you why didn't you just
leave? Why take the low road of murder? If I felt threatened at my job I
would press charges or leave .. not murder.
ColdCathoids
"UserName" <a...@123.com> wrote in message
news:9g0_9.69191$g36.5...@wagner.videotron.net...
his father? I like to think I am a level headed person who makes judgements
on all the facts. Fabrikant is obviously guilty! Doesn't his son see that?
Fabrikant
> Many people don't want to read your nonsense.
It looks like you're not one of them. Who forced you to read it? Why
did you waste so much writing your nonsense.
> The point is simple: you
> should have done something OTHER than killing those innocent people. Either
> leave,
Whether I leave or don't leave Concordia, contempt of court charges
were still there.
>pursue legal action, complain to your superior, etc... Killing people
> just isn't an option.
I did all that. Read my file.
> And don't try to convince me that it was
> self-defence, 'cause that's a load of bull. The judge didn't buy that, and
> neither does anyone else.
Judge did not allow me to testify in my own trial. The jury never
heard what really happened at Concordia. Does this tell you something?
>You committed premeditated murder,
Concordia offered me $200,000 as shut-up money. If I plan to kill
these people, don't you think I would have taken the money first? In
addition, if I planned to kill somebody, I would have killed the major
crooks. Don't you think so? In addition, do you sincerely believe that
I wanted to go to jail?
> Now please stop making your son post
> these messages for you. What kind of father are you to put him in this
> position?
There is nothing wrong in my postings. Anyone may be proud to post
them. My son does not do it, I have more than enough friends around
the world who are happy to do it for me.
Fabrikant
ColdCathoids
There is so much bull to what you just said. There is always another option
before killing. You could have left. Got out of there. Yeah they would have
won but no one would have been dead. You are a coward .. the Canadian
justice system knows you are a cowardly murderer. You are where you deserve!
You have no claim of self defence. When you murdered those people in cold
blood they were not a threat to your life.
FrozenSun
>
> There is nothing wrong in my postings. Anyone may be proud to post
> them. My son does not do it, I have more than enough friends around
> the world who are happy to do it for me.
>
> Fabrikant
Come on come on
do you smoke crack in jail?
your ghey son said it that he's the one posting this crap
he also said that he will not post them anymore
and that he will put them on a web page
and if you have so many friends ( beside the voices in your head) why
aren't they defending you??
after all you just "defended" yourself
pls don't tell me to read your bullshit file
you know is a big lie
stop denying it
UserName
> >
> > The point is simple: you
> > should have done something OTHER than killing those innocent people.
Either
> > leave,
>
> Whether I leave or don't leave Concordia, contempt of court charges
> were still there.
If you left, the murder charges wouldn't have been there though.
Would you be in jail right now had you left?
> >pursue legal action, complain to your superior, etc... Killing people
> > just isn't an option.
>
> I did all that. Read my file.
Yet you still decided to kill people. There is NO justification for that.
What you did was wrong, and now you are in jail for that. Do you
actually think there's a place in heaven for you when your number's up?
> > And don't try to convince me that it was
> > self-defence, 'cause that's a load of bull. The judge didn't buy that,
and
> > neither does anyone else.
>
> Judge did not allow me to testify in my own trial. The jury never
> heard what really happened at Concordia. Does this tell you something?
Yes it does. It tells me that you ramble on without answering the
questions that have been posed, and that you are living in a fantasy
world where you really beleive that you did nothing wrong. Perhaps
the Pinel institute for the criminally insane would have been more
appropriate?
> >You committed premeditated murder,
>
> Concordia offered me $200,000 as shut-up money. If I plan to kill
> these people, don't you think I would have taken the money first? In
> addition, if I planned to kill somebody, I would have killed the major
> crooks. Don't you think so? In addition, do you sincerely believe that
> I wanted to go to jail?
Well then you are just plain stupid. One option was to take 200 grand,
leave the school and go teach somewhere else? But instead you go and
kill 4 people and end up in prison for the rest of your life. Am I missing
something here? I would have picked door number one!
> > Now please stop making your son post
> > these messages for you. What kind of father are you to put him in this
> > position?
>
> There is nothing wrong in my postings. Anyone may be proud to post
> them. My son does not do it, I have more than enough friends around
> the world who are happy to do it for me.
Yeah, right. Everyone knows that the only person who would do this
for you is your misguided son, Isaac Fabrikant. Nobody else would
even bother posting your rants on the internet. Poor kid, having a
lunatic for a father. I'd have my name changed. Hey, Benny Patrick
has a nice ring to it...
Fabrikant
> "Fabrikant" <benny_p...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:f855b5d5.03013...@posting.google.com...
> > >
> Would you be in jail right now had you left?
I don't think I am getting through to you: I did NOT plan to kill
anyone.
I did NOT plan to kill anyone.
I DID NOT PLAN TO KILL ANYONE.
> Yet you still decided to kill people. There is NO justification for that.
> What you did was wrong, and now you are in jail for that. Do you
> actually think there's a place in heaven for you when your number's up?
You're an idiot. There is no God. There has never been any. Children
with cancer are the best proof of it.
>
> Yes it does. It tells me that you ramble on without answering the
> questions that have been posed, and that you are living in a fantasy
> world where you really beleive that you did nothing wrong. Perhaps
> the Pinel institute for the criminally insane would have been more
> appropriate?
My trial transcripts are on the web:
http://www.geocities.com/benny_patrick/trans.html
Have you read them? I challenge you to post ANY part where I am
rambling.
> Well then you are just plain stupid. One option was to take 200 grand,
> leave the school and go teach somewhere else? But instead you go and
> kill 4 people and end up in prison for the rest of your life. Am I missing
> something here? I would have picked door number one!
>
For the very last time: I did not plan to kill anyone. Are you capable
to understand simple English?
> Yeah, right. Everyone knows that the only person who would do this
> for you is your misguided son, Isaac Fabrikant. Nobody else would
> even bother posting your rants on the internet. Poor kid, having a
> lunatic for a father. I'd have my name changed. Hey, Benny Patrick
> has a nice ring to it...
Are you taking me for stupid to tell you in response who exactly does
my postings? You are hiding behind a fictitious e-mail. I am at least
using a real one.
Disrespectfully,
Fabrikant
MadRedHatter
> "UserName" <a...@123.com> wrote in message
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> > "Fabrikant" <benny_p...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:f855b5d5.03013...@posting.google.com...
> > > >
> > If you left, the murder charges wouldn't have been there though.
> > Would you be in jail right now had you left?
>
> I don't think I am getting through to you: I did NOT plan to kill
> anyone.
> I did NOT plan to kill anyone.
> I DID NOT PLAN TO KILL ANYONE.
So what? You accidentally brought guns to Concordia? You accidentally bought
them? You just happened to have guns on you and you snapped one day? I don't
think so.
God
> "UserName" <a...@123.com> wrote in message
news:<a2O_9.7223$Cc6.1...@wagner.videotron.net>...
> > "Fabrikant" <benny_p...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:f855b5d5.03013...@posting.google.com...
> > > >
> > If you left, the murder charges wouldn't have been there though.
> > Would you be in jail right now had you left?
>
> I don't think I am getting through to you: I did NOT plan to kill
> anyone.
> I did NOT plan to kill anyone.
> I DID NOT PLAN TO KILL ANYONE.
But you killed them anyways. and if you don't plan on murdering someone, you
don't bring a gun at work.
>
> > Yet you still decided to kill people. There is NO justification for
that.
> > What you did was wrong, and now you are in jail for that. Do you
> > actually think there's a place in heaven for you when your number's up?
>
> You're an idiot. There is no God. There has never been any. Children
> with cancer are the best proof of it.
>
> >
> > Yes it does. It tells me that you ramble on without answering the
> > questions that have been posed, and that you are living in a fantasy
> > world where you really beleive that you did nothing wrong. Perhaps
> > the Pinel institute for the criminally insane would have been more
> > appropriate?
>
> My trial transcripts are on the web:
>
> http://www.geocities.com/benny_patrick/trans.html
>
> Have you read them? I challenge you to post ANY part where I am
> rambling.
>
> > Well then you are just plain stupid. One option was to take 200 grand,
> > leave the school and go teach somewhere else? But instead you go and
> > kill 4 people and end up in prison for the rest of your life. Am I
missing
> > something here? I would have picked door number one!
> >
>
> For the very last time: I did not plan to kill anyone. Are you capable
> to understand simple English?
>
But you did kill people. and since you had a gun, you planned to kill
someone...
Rot in jail & get ass-fucked by your inmates.
> > Yeah, right. Everyone knows that the only person who would do this
> > for you is your misguided son, Isaac Fabrikant. Nobody else would
> > even bother posting your rants on the internet. Poor kid, having a
> > lunatic for a father. I'd have my name changed. Hey, Benny Patrick
> > has a nice ring to it...
>
> Are you taking me for stupid to tell you in response who exactly does
> my postings? You are hiding behind a fictitious e-mail. I am at least
> using a real one.
>
Isaac? it has te be some loonie to believe you're innocent.
GUILTY
GUILTY
GUILTY
.
> Disrespectfully,
>
> Fabrikant
Fabrikant
> them? You just happened to have guns on you and you snapped one day? I don't
> think so.
You proved once again that you haven't read a single word in my file.
Either read my file or stop putting yourself in such a ridiculous
situation.
Fabrikant
MadRedHatter
sources other than you! Just because you say that's how it happened doesn't
mean it shouldn't be questioned. Why are you afraid of my questions? You
seem defensive. Me thinks thou dost protest too much Faby!
So, without saying over and over again "Read my file" answer me this:
Why didn't you just leave Concordia? Why didn't you just move somewhere
else?
Jeff T
I can answer that question for you, scince he will dance around the subject
and say "Poor little me...".
He is a COWARD.
Jeff T
MadRedHatter
"Jeff T" <jte...@spamfree.cogeco.ca> wrote in message
news:Wu__9.67939$lj.27...@read1.cgocable.net...
FrozenSun
> I don't think I am getting through to you: I did NOT plan to kill
> anyone.
> I did NOT plan to kill anyone.
> I DID NOT PLAN TO KILL ANYONE.
of course you didn't
you just bought some guns and bring them to work
> You're an idiot. There is no God. There has never been any. Children
> with cancer are the best proof of it.
Idiots are people who get ass raped in prison
just like you
>>
> My trial transcripts are on the web:
>
> http://www.geocities.com/benny_patrick/trans.html
what waste of webspace
if i print them they will make some nice toilet paper
>
> Have you read them? I challenge you to post ANY part where I am
> rambling.
you are rambling every week right here on newsgroup
reality is hard inmate 121232
>
> For the very last time: I did not plan to kill anyone. Are you capable
> to understand simple English?
are you really as dumb as you try to be?
>
> Are you taking me for stupid to tell you in response who exactly does
> my postings? You are hiding behind a fictitious e-mail. I am at least
> using a real one.
what happened to that promised that your deficiant son made: not to
post on newsgroups anymore??
i forgot you are not rambling
btw is your weak heart gonna give up on you anytime soon?
aren't you supposed to die or something ?
let me know so i can bring my dog for a walk and shit on your grave
> Disrespectfully,
>
> Fabrikant
MadRedHatter
"FrozenSun" <evil...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1f31c415.03020...@posting.google.com...
> >
> > Are you taking me for stupid to tell you in response who exactly does
> > my postings? You are hiding behind a fictitious e-mail. I am at least
> > using a real one.
>
> what happened to that promised that your deficiant son made: not to
> post on newsgroups anymore??
> i forgot you are not rambling
>
I have heard lots of references to this. I tried googling for it but can't
seem to find it. Got the link?
Fabrikant
> sources other than you!
Other sources were not there; I was.
> Just because you say that's how it happened doesn't
> mean it shouldn't be questioned. Why are you afraid of my questions? You
> seem defensive. Me thinks thou dost protest too much Faby!
>
> So, without saying over and over again "Read my file" answer me this:
>
> Why didn't you just leave Concordia? Why didn't you just move somewhere
> else?
I have already answered this question. Read the whole thread:
"Whether I leave or don't leave Concordia, contempt of court charges
were still there."
If you're an honest person, why don't you use your real e-mail?
Fabrikant
Fabrikant
I thought coward is the one who runs away. Am I missing something?
Fabrikant
Jeff T
For someone who is supposed to be highly educated, you are one of the most
unitelligent people I have ever met. There are many forms of cowardice, not
just running away physically. YOu took guns to a place where your life was
NOT in danger and gunned down for people in cold blood... Four people who
you ought reasonably should have known did not have guns.
You are a coward. You are a murderer. You are where you belong.
Your posts about the "truth" are nothing more then you running away now. You
can not face the truth. The truth is you are a coward. There are many forms
of dispute resolutin availble now, and then. You opted for none of them and
took guns to school to murder people, you are a coward.
You rot everyday in your cell, worse, there is probably a little part in
your mind that constantly asks if you did the right thing, if you are
missing that little part, there is something else wrong with you. See,
soldiers who have killed in battle, out of self defense deal with that
little voice everyday for the rest of there lives... Somelse on the battle
field was trying to shoot them or otherwise kill them and they wrestle with
guilt after they did what they had to do... Cops who had to use leathal
force in self defence go through the same thing, so do normal people. You
show none of this.
You are a psychotic paranoid delusional, your cowardice stems from the fact
that you refuse to recognise this, and will not seek help. The result of
which you post your "defence" here, and get your feelings of paranoia
gratified... Because here, everyone really is against you. Here, no one
likes you. Here, we would like you to just go away.
Go away coward.
Jeff T
ColdCathoids
news:<Wu__9.67939$lj.27...@read1.cgocable.net>...
somewhere
> > > else?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > I can answer that question for you, scince he will dance around the
subject
> > and say "Poor little me...".
> >
> > He is a COWARD.
> >
> > Jeff T
>
> I thought coward is the one who runs away. Am I missing something?
>
person in the back is a cowardly act.
ColdCathoids
> > sources other than you!
>
> Other sources were not there; I was.
So, professional crime scene investigators, police and others can never know
what happened? Only your twisted mind knows the truth? Seems a lot of people
don't believe you.
> > Just because you say that's how it happened doesn't
> > mean it shouldn't be questioned. Why are you afraid of my questions? You
> > seem defensive. Me thinks thou dost protest too much Faby!
> >
> > So, without saying over and over again "Read my file" answer me this:
> >
> > Why didn't you just leave Concordia? Why didn't you just move somewhere
> > else?
>
> I have already answered this question. Read the whole thread:
>
> "Whether I leave or don't leave Concordia, contempt of court charges
> were still there."
So there were contempt of court charges. Why didn't you fight the charges?
Why did you kill unarmed and defenceless people people instead?
> If you're an honest person, why don't you use your real e-mail?
>
What does a real email address have to do with being honest? Do you have one
Faby? Oh right ... you're in prison where you don't have internet access.
Too bad so sad!
FrozenSun
or the long version
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&
threadm=3D15E415.4AE97420%40harriets.org&rnum=47&prev=/group
s%3Fq%3Dfabrikant%2Bgroup:mtl.general%26start%3D40%26hl%3Den
%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26scoring%3Dd%26selm%3D3D
15E415.4AE97420%2540harriets.org%26rnum%3D47
Hung Lo
wrote:
>"Whether I leave or don't leave Concordia, contempt of court charges
>were still there."
>
>If you're an honest person, why don't you use your real e-mail?
>
>Fabrikant
Why would a sane person give his real email address to a convicted
murderer with friends on the outside?
Ray Goudie
you did what you did? Why were you scared of contempt of court charges? Were
you afraid that you might go to prison? For how long might you have gone to
prison on those charges?
Hey, wait a minute... where are you now, and for how long?
Will you now admit that you didn't make the best choice of the options
available to you?
-Ray.
"Fabrikant" <benny_p...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:f855b5d5.03020...@posting.google.com...
Hung Lo
wrote:
>Out of curiousity ... what do we know about his son? Possibly brainwashed by
>his father? I like to think I am a level headed person who makes judgements
>on all the facts. Fabrikant is obviously guilty! Doesn't his son see that?
Some types of paranoid schizophrenia are hereditary, normally
affecting only males. His son might be a cold-blooded murdering
lunatic, too.
ColdCathoids
"Hung Lo" <hun...@china.com> wrote in message
news:hapt3vkfmsdj5a2p8...@4ax.com...
Exactly, and to what benefit would giving out a hotmail address be anyways?
ColdCathoids
"Ray Goudie" <rgo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:pFB%9.25256$k52.3...@wagner.videotron.net...
> Are you saying that you were facing contempt of court charges, and this is
why
> you did what you did? Why were you scared of contempt of court charges?
Were
> you afraid that you might go to prison? For how long might you have gone
to
> prison on those charges?
>
> Hey, wait a minute... where are you now, and for how long?
>
> Will you now admit that you didn't make the best choice of the options
> available to you?
>
> -Ray.
>
CalgaryBill
"Fabrikant" <benny_p...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:f855b5d5.03020...@posting.google.com...
> "Jeff T" <jte...@spamfree.cogeco.ca> wrote in message
news:<Wu__9.67939$lj.27...@read1.cgocable.net>...
> > "MadRedHatter" <m...@mee.com> wrote in message
> > news:pSX_9.159524$H7.65...@news2.calgary.shaw.ca...
> > >
> > > "Fabrikant" <benny_p...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:f855b5d5.03020...@posting.google.com...
> > > > > So what? You accidentally brought guns to Concordia? You
accidentally
> > bought
>
>
> Fabrikant
Having been in martial arts for many years (50), I learned very early on
that the brave man turns his back and walks away. So by my lights you are
truly a completely craven coward.
GlennMor
>
>I thought coward is the one who runs away. Am I missing something?
>
>Fabrikant
Or one who hides behind weapons.
MadRedHatter
Killing unarmed people makes you a coward.
MadRedHatter
What would providing my email prove to you? Maybe I don't want to receive
any email. If you have something you want to say to me say it here.
Why do you fear to answer my questions in the forum? Where they will be
archived ... don't want to commit yourself to an answer?
So what you are saying is in response to the contempt of court charges you
killed people. Yeah .. that makes total sense.
MadRedHatter
"FrozenSun" <evil...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1f31c415.03020...@posting.google.com...
> "MadRedHatter" <m...@mee.com> wrote in message
news:<8zk%9.179188$H7.68...@news2.calgary.shaw.ca>...
> > "FrozenSun" <evil...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1f31c415.03020...@posting.google.com...
> >
> > > >
> > > > Are you taking me for stupid to tell you in response who exactly
does
> > > > my postings? You are hiding behind a fictitious e-mail. I am at
least
> > > > using a real one.
> > >
> > > what happened to that promised that your deficiant son made: not to
> > > post on newsgroups anymore??
> > > i forgot you are not rambling
> > >
> > I have heard lots of references to this. I tried googling for it but
can't
> > seem to find it. Got the link?
>
> http://tinyurl.com/5a9c
>
> or the long version
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&
> threadm=3D15E415.4AE97420%40harriets.org&rnum=47&prev=/group
> s%3Fq%3Dfabrikant%2Bgroup:mtl.general%26start%3D40%26hl%3Den
> %26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26scoring%3Dd%26selm%3D3D
> 15E415.4AE97420%2540harriets.org%26rnum%3D47
Cool stuff .. thanks FrozenSun .
So Fabrikant ... what say you to this? Or will you just ignore what you said
previously?
Fabrikant
Read my file. EVERYTHING is explained there.
Fabrikant
MadRedHatter
Maybe I want them answered here. Why do you refuse to answer questions here?
Do you fear that your answers will be archieved and beyond your control to
change?
Answer my questions here. You are showing your cowardly side.
FrozenSun
> > http://tinyurl.com/5a9c
> >
> > or the long version
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&
> > threadm=3D15E415.4AE97420%40harriets.org&rnum=47&prev=/group
> > s%3Fq%3Dfabrikant%2Bgroup:mtl.general%26start%3D40%26hl%3Den
> > %26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26scoring%3Dd%26selm%3D3D
> > 15E415.4AE97420%2540harriets.org%26rnum%3D47
>
> Cool stuff .. thanks FrozenSun .
>
> So Fabrikant ... what say you to this? Or will you just ignore what you said
> previously?
he will ignore you
now into the good news!
we didn't see his usual long boring stupid posting for over 2 weeks
i guess the son tries to bully the father and he stop the non-sense
that already happened without much succes
and i have a question for fabricunt
if you have soi many friends how come the only postings come from benny patrick
or benny patrick7
i guess someone bombed one of your e-mail "Benny"
veranda
>
better the society you need to get acceptance and to do so you need to
make a truthful and deep apology AND to admit your guilt .
How can we buy anything from you when you are not even at the self
admittance level ? That's why .
Take it off your chest , repent and we'll talk .
A mind is a terrible thing to waste .
Fabrikant
You are showing your stupid side. If I answered certain questions in
my file, why would I be afraid to answer them in the exact same way.
You are too lazy; that's your problem. My file is archived and I'm not
going to change a word there. Read it.
Fabrikant