Toronto Businessman Criminally Harasses People
T-A-V
Richard (of York University) and Dorothy, brother of David; engages in criminal
activity against numerous people under the nyms of MARDUK and NAZIHUNTER.
Laurence B. Shiff posts bogus child porn ads while giving out innocent people's
addresses and telephone numbers, he makes death threat telephone calls, he makes
death threat USENET postings-- in general he's a coward who thinks he's above
the law and the following is solid documented proof that Dr. Laurence B. Shiff
is a demented criminal personality. The evidence which follows should be
verified by all reading this expose'.
For the record Laurence B. Shiff or one of his accomplices keeps forge canceling
these posts!
Doc Tavish
On Sat, 01 Dec 2001 02:46:50 GMT,
<7t6twlwNF$Fym.6...@news1.sttln1.wa.home.com> TRUTH...@TRUTH.COM wrote:
>From: TRUTH...@TRUTH.COM
>Newsgroups: soc.history.what-if
>Subject: WHO CANCELLED MAT'S WEB SITE
>Message-ID: <7t6twlwNF$Fym.6...@news1.sttln1.wa.home.com>
>Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 02:46:50 GMT
>NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.0.91.22
>
>www.giwersworld.org has been taken offline
IT IS NOW BACK ONLINE YOU COWARD!!
>ITS THE GODDAM JEW BASTARD ZIONIST IN TORONTO
>IS RESpONSIBLE
Your self description of: "THE GODDAM JEW BASTARD ZIONIST IN TORONTO" is most
correct Laurence B. Shiff.
You had it taken offline Laurence B. Shiff by filing a bogus complaint that Matt
libeled you. The site is back on line now.
For a fact I provided the web host with proof that you are MARDUK aka NAZIHUNTER
aka Laurence B. Shiff and that YOU have a long history of forge canceling posts,
uploading death threat web pages directed against me, making death threat
telephone calls, posting bogus child porn ads and giving out not one BUT two
innocent people's addresses and phone numbers (all on file with the Feds). I
gave "Jeff" all the law enforcement contact info so he may verify that YOU are,
indeed, the little bastard Matt Giwer depicts on his web page!
I gave "Jeff" copies of your employee's (Marc Fournier) e-mail connecting you as
Dr. Shiff to THT.NET as well as being connected to Ken McVay and his Nizkor thus
showing a criminal conspiracy. I also gave "Jeff" numerous forged cancel headers
originating from THT.NET and many with YOUR name being the name of the NNTP
server!!
Make no mistake Laurence B. Shiff- you have been positively identified as MARDUK
who is also NAZIHUNTER and who is also from Toronto, Ontario Canada.
<<<<<<SPECIAL NOTE: All posts which show a MESSAGE ID may be retrieved and
verified at GOOGLE'S archives using this method:
To retrieve/verify the archives go to the GOOGLE web site for USENET archive
retrievals <http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search> and Copy'N'Paste
the MESSAGE IDs into the field labeled: "Message ID Find the message with
message ID" and then activate GOOGLE SEARCH.>>>>>>>
What follows should pretty well prove to others who have been victimized by you
that you are Laurence B. Shiff of Kaspu.Com!
From: Doc TavishŽ (doc_t...@my-deja.comREMOVE2MAIL-NO-SPAM)
Subject: Re: SOME INTERESTING INFO REGARDING MR. ANTHONY J. LOMENZO
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Message-ID: <r1dcttg3sitm4gll1...@4ax.com>
Date: 2001-10-23 20:30:37 PST
On 22 Oct 2001 21:48:22 -0500,
<7e16a32602dc255b...@meganetnews.com> hell...@selector.net
(hellcrown) wrote:
>Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>Subject: SOME INTERESTING INFO REGARDING MR. ANTHONY J. LOMENZO
>From: hell...@selector.net (hellcrown)
>X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit)
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII
>Message-ID: <7e16a32602dc255b...@meganetnews.com>
>Date: 22 Oct 2001 21:48:22 -0500
>Lines: 5
>Path: mindspring!news.mindspring.net!out.nntp.be!propagator->SanJose!in.nntp.be!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!telocity->west!TELOCITY!nntpserver.com!hub1.nntpserver.com!66.40.56.30.MISMATCH!
>meganetnews.com!hub1.meganetnews.com!news1.meganetnews.com
>Xref: mindspring alt.revisionism:1040325
>
>CURRENTLY RESIDING IN FORT ...
Shiff, Laurence B. (NAZIHUNTER aka MARDUK aka HELLCROWN)
C/O KASPU COM
2788 Bathurst St.
Toronto, Ontario m6b3a3 CA
Tel: 416-789-5691
(FAX) 416-789-5691
E-Mail: sh...@kaspu.com
For a fact Laurence B. Shiff uses HELLCROWN as a handle as proven here:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&rnum=10&ic=1&selm=1%24-_-%24_%25-%25_%25%24%25--%25%24%40news.noc.cabal.int
From: Doc Tavish (doc_t...@my-deja.comDELETE2MAIL-NO-SPAM)
Subject: REPOST: Re: WHAT IS SCOTTIE'S EMAIL ADDRESS?
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Date: 2001-06-13 06:05:36 PST
On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:12:26 +0000 (UTC), <9g2n4q$jng$1...@news.tht.net>
HELLC...@SELECTOR.NET (HELLCROWN5) wrote:
>Path: mindspring!news.mindspring.net!out.nntp.be!propagator-dallas!
>news-in-dallas.newsfeeds.com!hub.org!hub.org!not-for-mail
>From: HELLC...@SELECTOR.NET (HELLCROWN5)
>Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>Subject: WHAT IS SCOTTIE'S EMAIL ADDRESS?
>Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:12:26 +0000 (UTC)
>Organization: Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org)
>Lines: 2
>Message-ID: <9g2n4q$jng$1...@news.tht.net>
>Mime-Version: 1.0
>Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII
>X-Trace: news.tht.net 992272346 20208 216.126.95.242
>(11 Jun 2001 15:12:26 GMT)
>X-Complaints-To: scr...@hub.org
>X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit)
>Xref: mindspring alt.revisionism:982304
>
>I HAVE SOMETHING IMPORTANT TO TELL HIM
<end>
I am glad that you linked your "HELLCROWN" nym back to THT.NET.
I also have you linked to KASPU.COM too! Don't believe me? I, as well
as others (upon my alerting them), got copies of a cancel message test
you made to <control.cancel> recently.
Here it is for your benefit Laurence Shiff:
Newsgroups: control.cancel
Subject: c
From: HELLC...@HOTMAIL.COM (HELLCROWN)
X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII
Message-ID: <3b154...@news.newsfeeds.com>
Date: 30 May 2001 14:34:05 -0500
Lines: 7
X-Authenticated-User: kaspu
X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com
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any illegal or copyrighted postings.
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Newsgroups.
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See that "X-Authenticated-User: kaspu"? What does KASPU resolve as using
GEEKTOOLS? http://www.geektools.com/cgi-bin/proxy.cgi
Server used for this query: [ whois.networksolutions.com ]
Registrant:
Kaspu (KASPU-DOM)
2788 Bathurst St.
Toronto, Ontario m6b3a3 CA
Domain Name: KASPU.COM
Administrative Contact, Billing Contact:
Shiff, Laurence (LS5339) sh...@BABYLON.TO
Kaspu
2788 Bathurst St.
Toronto, Ontario m6b3a3 CA
416-789-5691 (FAX) 416-789-5691
<end>
Yep, and there is your ol' BABYLON in the info too! We all know how you have a
fixation on things Babylonian. You have also started to send me crap to my
e-mail box, which is more harassment on your part! I will also e-mail you this
message and I know two things:
1) It will not bounce
2) You will not answer
Your e-mail address is: sh...@kaspu.com
Now I ask, when are you going to stop harassing people? I know who you are and I
know where you keep business hours! Need I say more?
One example of your attack on my-deja e-mail box:
Return-Path: <hellc...@hotmail.com>
Received: from hotmail.com (sourcenat1.bigmailbox.com [209.132.220.250])
by mailrecv18.bigmailbox.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5BFAnG29929
for <doc_t...@my-deja.com> ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 08:10:49 -0700
Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC;
Mon, 11 Jun 2001 08:10:48 -0700
Received: from 216.126.95.242 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 11
Jun 2001 15:10:48 GMT
X-Originating-IP: [216.126.95.242]
From: "john giwer" <hellc...@hotmail.com>
To: doc_t...@my-deja.com
Subject: hi
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 11:10:48 -0400
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
Message-ID: <F19JWEsBk31TZ...@hotmail.com>
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jun 2001 15:10:48.0997 (UTC)
FILETIME=[B276AD50:01C0F288]
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hi
_________________________________________________________________
Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
<end>
Need I say more other than sooner or later one of Shiff's victims will retaliate
in a nasty manner!
WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE LAURENCE AND WHERE TO FIND YOU!
YOU AREN'T TOO BRIGHT TO KEEP DOING WHAT YOU ARE DOING!
HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE YOU CRAPPED ON THROUGHOUT YOUR YEARS
OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY? A BUNCH!
Doc Tavish
~~End of GOOGLE Archive~~
Also see:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&rnum=1&selm=5%24-__-%25-%25-%25%25_%25__%24%24%40news.noc.cabal.int
From: THE REAL NIZKOR WATCH _ R 2 <doc_t...@my-deja.comDELETE2MAIL-NO-SPAM>
[reposted because of rogue cancel]
Subject: REPOST: EVIDENTIARY POST Re: fwab gorte mura lch lrta lzl unrz
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
X-Repost-Date: 18 Apr 2001 18:02:11 GMT
Message-ID: <5$-__-%-%-%%_%__$$@news.noc.cabal.int>
X-Original-Path:
sn-us!sn-xit-04!supernews.com!upp1.onvoy!onvoy.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!
news.stealth.net!newscon02.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!
prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr10-int.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
X-Original-Message-ID: <kr8idt8rb6m9ef39r...@4ax.com>
BTW here is some of MARDUK aka NAZIHUNTER's aka Laurence B. Shiff's vintage
posts in which he brags about his Babylonia and harasses people:
More on NAZIHUNTER aka MARDUK = Shiff and his Babylonia:
Author: We' (NaziHunter)
Email: We'llfi...@anywhere.com
Date: 1996/03/23
Forums: alt.what.the.hell
Message-ID:
<ragnaroek1996Ma...@news2.compulink.com>
x-client-port: 1512
x-nntp-posting-host: hopenet13.idirect.com
In article <ragnaroek1996Ma...@news2.compulink.com>,
mar...@idirect.com says...
>
>test
>
teststststst
~~End of Archive~~
<<Notice in the above post that MARDUK links himself to being NAZIHUNTER?
Remember the testimony of John Morris about Laurence B. Shiff being
MARDUK? John Morris also posted this about Laurence B. Shiff:
From: John Morris (John....@UAlberta.CA)
Subject: Re: NEW NAZIHUNTER WEB PAGE
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Message-ID: <u01a7t8eeovc6ncfo...@4ax.com>
Date: 2001-01-28 22:46:00 PST
http://www.umich.edu/~neareast/pages/faculty/michalow.htm
Although that's almost enough for today, let's just close by taking a
look at the list of people who have taken degrees from Ancient Middle
Eastern Studies Program at UPenn:
<quote>
Ancient Near Eastern Studies
[...]
Laurence B. Shiff, "The Nur-Sin Archive: Private Entrepreneurship in
Babylon (603-507 B.C.)." Ph.D., 1987
<END of POST and end of my comment>
Author: marduk
Email: mar...@idirect.com
Date: 1996/03/01
Forums: sci.archaeology, soc.culture.jewish
Message-ID:
<ragnaroek1996M...@news2.compulink.com>
Just to leave Lisa-Bashing for a second, I want to point out a very
serious problem in the field of ancient history, namely, how do we get
kids interested in it? After all, its not an easy thing to suggest to some
high-school student that going to undergrad and grad school for 8-10 years
for a Ph.D. in Assyriology or Biblical Studies is a real smart career
move. Tenure is a thing of the past, and universities are constantly on
the prowl to downsize non-revenue producing departments...
Author: marduk
Email: mar...@idirect.com
Date: 1996/02/27
Forums: sci.archaeology
Message-ID:
<ragnaroek1996Fe...@news2.compulink.com>
Actually, as an Assyriologist who specializes in the Neo-Babylonian
period, I can state that his description of the financial activities of
The famous and powerful Egibi family of Babylon is really quite well
done....on the other hand, i cannot stand vidal's smarmy writing
style...kinda reminds me of lisa aronson, in fact.
Re: C'MON HARVEY...DOES LISA PAY YOU FOR THIS NONSENSE?
Author: marduk
Email: mar...@idirect.com
Date: 1996/03/01
Forums: sci.archaeology, soc.culture.israel, soc.culture.jewish
Message-ID:
<ragnaroek1996Ma...@news2.compulink.com>
content-type:
In article <lisa.1804...@interport.net>, li...@interport.net says...
>
>In article <ragnaroek1996Fe...@news2.compulink.com>
>mar...@idirect.com (marduk) writes:
>
>>>I think it's very odd for someone to argue from authority without >>>revealing their identity. If marduk wants to claim the credibility due a >>>professor of assyriology and archeology, he needs to identify himself.
:
>>Don't have time for a longish answer....I'm just rushing out the door >>early Thursday morning to go snowboarding....Yippee...gonna play hokey >>today and let a Teaching assistant take over a boooring intro Akkadian >>class....now on to business:
[...]
>Pretty words from someone who make crank calls.
:
>>Herr Doktor Professor Marduk (DINGIR.AMAR.UTU)
:
>Lisa
Lets see if I understand this....You are accusing me of making long
distance crank phone calls to you?....
---end----
Are You Really as Slug-Like as Your Picture Suggests?
Author: marduk
Email: mar...@idirect.com
Date: 1996/03/20
Forums: alt.censorship, alt.revisionism,
alt.society.civil-liberties, can.politics
Message-ID:
<ragnaroek1996Ma...@news2.compulink.com>
references:
<4hpmn8$3...@larry.cc.emory.edu>
<4ht0bj$4...@news2.cts.com>
<4i52j9$1n...@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
<4i8mlo$7...@news2.cts.com>
<4ia6o8$1u...@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>
<4ifl7v$o...@news2.cts.com> <314B6C...@itn.is>
<4ii21d$n...@wi.combase.com> <314CC8...@itn.is>
<4ijhb7$f...@wi.combase.com> <314D7B...@itn.is>
<4il40g$7...@wi.combase.com> <314F03...@itn.is>
<4inn8c$j...@wi.combase.com>
x-client-port: 1701
x-nntp-posting-host: glimpsenet9.idirect.com
Well....as I was perusing your extremely funny web-site, I came across a
photo of yourself. Unfortunately, I was drinking a diet pepsi at the time,
and when I was confronted by your incredibly ugly face, I spewed all over
my screen...
My God man!!!! Where is your sense of public service? The least you can do
is warn people....
Anyways...on to matters nazi and such-like: as a confirmed nazi pig, you
no doubt subscribe to the doctrine of eugenetics. That being the case, why
did you feel justified in procreating? Your son's photo indicates that he
has inherited many of your slug-like features, so don't you feel that you
have rather let the Aryan side down?
Oh by the way...why have you disconnected your phone number? We had some
awefully funny things to say to you...
-----end------
Here is John Morris again bravely outing Laurence B. Shiff as MARDUK who is
proven to also be NAZIHUNTER:
From: Tavish (doc_t...@my-deja.comREMOVE_2MAIL_NO_SPAM)
Subject: Re: A TWO FOR ONE DEAL: ONE BAT, TWO KNOLLS
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Message-ID: <tdla0ust3faudjj48...@4ax.com>
Date: 2001-11-28 13:35:58 PST
On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:25:27 GMT, <aeea0uoqmpq69b16b...@4ax.com>
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA> wrote:
>I can confirm that Laurence Shiff is Marduk.
Thanks for the re-confirmation.
>The evidence connecting Shiff to Nazihunter is largely circumstantial.
Not so! He has simultaneously used the nyms of MARDUK and NAZIHUNTER
together in numerous posts and most of those posts originated from Toronto,
Ontario Canada using Toronto based dial-ups.
His latest headers prove my point too!
From: NAZIHUNTER <MAR...@SELECTOR.NET>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: A TWO FOR ONE DEAL: ONE BAT, TWO KNOLLS
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:25:07 GMT
Organization: the lazy workstation rarely defiles Robert, it floats Robette
instead
Lines: 62
Message-ID: <72734274684...@194.152.65.250>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 194-208-082-199.tele.net
X-Trace: newsreaderm1.core.theplanet.net 1006877141 17834 194.208.82.199
(27 Nov 2001 16:05:41 GMT)
NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Nov 2001 16:05:41 GMT
X-Complaints-To: ab...@theplanet.net
<end>
> It would not surprise me to learn that Shiff is
>Nazihunter, but I doubt whether I could prove it.
<END of POST>
From: John Morris (John....@UAlberta.CA)
Subject: Re: ABD? ABD?
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Message-ID: <k7k1ctko79mud3e75...@4ax.com>
Date: 2001-03-27 10:18:00 PST
In <tc1j2pn...@corp.supernews.com> in alt.revisionism, on Tue, 27
Mar 2001 17:22:33 -0000, johnny...@freedom.net wrote:
> In article <3ac0ca97$0$44535$45be...@newscene.com>,
> lurker...@hushmail.com says...
> >"John Morris" <John....@UAlberta.CA> wrote in message
> >news:87g1ct0hrojka6oqk...@4ax.com...
> >> In <3ac0bee1$0$44557$45be...@newscene.com> in alt.revisionism,
> >> on 27 Mar 2001 10:28:02 -0600, "Lurker No More!"
> >> <lurker...@hushmail.com> wrote:
:
> >> > <johnny...@freedom.net> wrote in message
> >> > news:tc1cov3...@corp.supernews.com...
:
> >> > > ABD
:
> >> > I can't wait until you're exposed, Nazihunter. You'll be in so
> >> > much shit it won't be funny. Well, maybe just a little. OK,
> >> > OK. A lot. LMAO!
:
> >> I do wish you people would keep up.
:
> >Why's that?
:
> BECAUSE JOHNNIE, DESPITE ALL THE FLOWERING AND HIGH-MINDED RHETORIC
> ABOUT HIS ALLEGED HIGHER MORAL GROUND, HAS ESSENTIALLY PROVIDED
> SCOTTIE (AND OTHERS) WITH A BLUEPRINT ON WHO HE THINKS NAZIHUNTER
> IS...INCLUDING NAME, HOUSE LOCATION ETC. OF COURSE, MAY BE RIGHT,
> MAY BE WRONG...AND IF ITS WRONG, WELL...SO IT GOES.
Wow! Been taking David E. Michael pills? I don't do addresses.
I have identified Laurence Shiff as the man who used to post as
Marduk. And I'm right. David E. Michael was able to pick out the
name supposedly revealed to him by a clumsy private dick from a long
list of names of PhDs I provided. Is David E. Michael faking it? I
don't see how. He picked Shiff's name out with no prompting from me.
Therefore, Laurence Shiff was looking for David E. Michael's address
and was paying to find it. Marduk disappeared years ago. Why is
Laurence Shiff still here?
But I haven't provided any house location or et ceteras.
- --
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
<END OF POST>
From: John Morris (John....@UAlberta.CA)
Subject: Re: OXFORD UNION SURRENDERS TO THE TRADITIONAL ENEMIES OF FREE
SPEECH!!
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast, alt.revisionism, soc.culture.mideast,
soc.culture.palestine, soc.culture.usa, soc.culture.canada
Message-ID: <0f1tftog105fkbcac...@4ax.com>
Date: 2001-05-13 07:16:05 PST
Between 1995 to 1998, a Laurence Shiff of Toronto, posting in usenet
as mar...@idirect.ca, posted the names, addresses, and telephone
numbers of people he didn't like. He also dropped broad hints about
making harassing telephone calls.
After an absence of some months in 1998, he either returned using
anonymous remailers *or else* another person from the Toronto area
began to do the same sort of thing. Aside from anonymity, this
person showed another difference from Shiff's abuses: he was much
bolder in stating that he was indeed making harassing phonecalls.
After awhile, this anonymous abuser began to make death threats
against Scott "Doc Tavish" Bradbury, a complete moron from Texas.
<<The above should prove that John Morris is no fan of mine and that he is not a
groupie of mine BUT for a fact- John Morris believes in fair play and a level
playing field- hence he outed Larry Shiff as MARDUK and I proved that MARDUK and
NAZIHUNTER are one and the same and all are from Toronto, Ontario Canada! Doc
Tavish comment>>
Apparently, the threats were not limited to usenet but also included
obscene phone calls.
Latterly, the tactic has switched from the illegal to the annoying
taking the form of automated forged cancel messages. Many of you may
have seen the results in multiple reposts of the same canceled
messages.
What do I have to do with any of this? I merely cared enough to
track down this stalker. Even complete morons have the right to
speak. There is also a standing offer from me to share whatever
information I have at the time with responsible police authorities
acting on a complaint from one of the victims.
<END of POST>
From: John Morris (John....@UAlberta.CA)
Subject: Re: David E. Michael's Perlious Existence(s) (was Re: It's
learning time.)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Message-ID: <ac7kbtoh4o58r6uk9...@4ax.com>
Date: 2001-03-22 08:20:13 PST
"BTW, Laurence Shiff used to post as Marduk. I proved that already.
If you think Marduk is Nazihunter, then Shiff is your Nazihunter. I
think it is pretty suggestive that you got e-mail identifying Shiff
as someone who hire a private investigator trying to locate you, and
it strengthens the circumstantial connections between Marduk and
Nazihunter."
<END of POSTS>
As I showed above concerning what John posted above with these words: "Laurence
Shiff used to post as Marduk. I proved that already. If you think Marduk is
Nazihunter, then Shiff is your Nazihunter."
I show that NAZIHUNTER and MARDUK are one and the same:
From: NAZIHUNTER <MAR...@SELECTOR.NET>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: A TWO FOR ONE DEAL: ONE BAT, TWO KNOLLS
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:25:07 GMT
Organization: the lazy workstation rarely defiles Robert, it floats Robette
instead
Lines: 62
Message-ID: <72734274684...@194.152.65.250>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 194-208-082-199.tele.net
X-Trace: newsreaderm1.core.theplanet.net 1006877141 17834 194.208.82.199
(27 Nov 2001 16:05:41 GMT)
NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Nov 2001 16:05:41 GMT
X-Complaints-To: ab...@theplanet.net
This post also shows using what John said above with these words:
"Between 1995 to 1998, a Laurence Shiff of Toronto, posting in usenet
as mar...@idirect.ca, posted the names, addresses, and telephone
numbers of people he didn't like. He also dropped broad hints about
making harassing telephone calls." Notice the <mar...@idirect.ca>?
Here is Shiff, himself, linking his MARDUK nym to his NAZIHUNTER nym:
Author: We' (NaziHunter)
Email: We'llfi...@anywhere.com
Date: 1996/03/23
Forums: alt.what.the.hell
Message-ID:
<ragnaroek1996Ma...@news2.compulink.com>
x-client-port: 1512
x-nntp-posting-host: hopenet13.idirect.com
In article <ragnaroek1996Ma...@news2.compulink.com>,
mar...@idirect.com says...
>
>test
>
teststststst
~~End of Archive~~
Here is the GOOGLE link and the original format of the above:
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=%20&as_umsgid=ragnaroek1996Ma...@news2.compulink.com&hl=en
From: We'llfi...@anywhere.com (NaziHunter)
Subject: Re: test
Date: 1996/03/23
Message-ID: <ragnaroek1996Ma...@news2.compulink.com>#1/1
x-nntp-posting-host: hopenet13.idirect.com
references: <ragnaroek1996Ma...@news2.compulink.com>
content-type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII
x-client-port: 1512
mime-version: 1.0
reply-to: ma...@bisher.com
newsgroups: alt.what.the.hell
In article <ragnaroek1996Ma...@news2.compulink.com>,
mar...@idirect.com says...
>
>test
>
teststststst
~~End of GOOGLE Archive~~
Does anyone have any doubt that Laurence B. Shiff is MARDUK aka NAZIHUNTER in
light of all the proof above?
Kaspu (KASPU-DOM)
2788 Bathurst St.
Toronto, Ontario m6b3a3 CA
Domain Name: KASPU.COM
Administrative Contact, Billing Contact:
Shiff, Laurence (LS5339) sh...@BABYLON.TO
His Kaspu.Com e-mail address is: sh...@kaspu.com
<<<<<<END OF PART ONE>>>>>>>
On Tue, 04 Dec 2001 05:26:07 -0600, <4i9p0ucbvtbb4v8ga...@4ax.com>
doc tavish <REMOVE_-_To-MAIL_...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
<<<<<<SPECIAL NOTE: All posts which show a MESSAGE ID may be retrieved and
verified at GOOGLE'S archives using this method:
To retrieve/verify the archives go to the GOOGLE web site for USENET archive
retrievals <http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search> and Copy'N'Paste
the MESSAGE IDs into the field labeled: "Message ID Find the message with
message ID" and then activate GOOGLE SEARCH.>>>>>>>
[...]
>From: John Morris (John....@UAlberta.CA)
>Subject: Re: NEW NAZIHUNTER WEB PAGE
>Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>Message-ID: <u01a7t8eeovc6ncfo...@4ax.com>
>Date: 2001-01-28 22:46:00 PST
>
>http://www.umich.edu/~neareast/pages/faculty/michalow.htm
>
>Although that's almost enough for today, let's just close by taking a
>look at the list of people who have taken degrees from Ancient Middle
>Eastern Studies Program at UPenn:
>
><quote>
>Ancient Near Eastern Studies
>
>[...]
>
>Laurence B. Shiff, "The Nur-Sin Archive: Private Entrepreneurship in
>Babylon (603-507 B.C.)." Ph.D., 1987
>
><END of POST and end of my comment>
>
>Author: marduk
>Email: mar...@idirect.com
>Date: 1996/02/27
>Forums: sci.archaeology
>Message-ID:
><ragnaroek1996Fe...@news2.compulink.com>
>
>Actually, as an Assyriologist who specializes in the Neo-Babylonian
>period, I can state that his description of the financial activities of
>The famous and powerful Egibi family of Babylon is really quite well
>done....on the other hand, i cannot stand vidal's smarmy writing
>style...kinda reminds me of lisa aronson, in fact.
>
><END of POST>
[...]
>From: John Morris (John....@UAlberta.CA)
>Subject: Re: ABD? ABD?
>Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>Message-ID: <k7k1ctko79mud3e75...@4ax.com>
>Date: 2001-03-27 10:18:00 PST
[...]
>I have identified Laurence Shiff as the man who used to post as
>Marduk. And I'm right. David E. Michael was able to pick out the
>name supposedly revealed to him by a clumsy private dick from a long
>list of names of PhDs I provided. Is David E. Michael faking it? I
>don't see how. He picked Shiff's name out with no prompting from me.
> Therefore, Laurence Shiff was looking for David E. Michael's address
>and was paying to find it. Marduk disappeared years ago. Why is
>Laurence Shiff still here?
>
>But I haven't provided any house location or et ceteras.
>
><END of POST>
New material concerning the above statement: "I have identified Laurence Shiff
as the man who used to post as Marduk. And I'm right. David E. Michael was
able to pick out the name supposedly revealed to him by a clumsy private dick
from a long list of names of PhDs I provided. Is David E. Michael faking it? I
don't see how. He picked Shiff's name out with no prompting from me. Therefore,
Laurence Shiff was looking for David E. Michael's address and was paying to find
it."
Here you are Laurence taunting me about that letter from Detective Burchell:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=vfJf6.194659%24JT5.7152194%40news20.bellglobal.com&output=gplain
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: HEY SCOTTIE: YOU GET THAT CONFIRMATION YET ON MY PERSONAL INFO??
From: mar...@idirect.ca (NAZIHUNTER)
Organization: Assyrians and Babylonians "R" Us
X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII
Lines: 3
Message-ID: <vfJf6.194659$JT5.7...@news20.bellglobal.com>
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 02:24:27 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.229.66.152
X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 981426267 64.229.66.152 (Mon, 05 Feb 2001
21:24:27 EST)
NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 21:24:27 EST
SNICKER....HAS BURCHELL REPLIED TO YOUR PATHETIC INQUIRY, YOU PATHETIC PIECE OF
LYMPHATIC OBESITY?
~~End of Exact GOOGLE Archive~~
Everyone notice the:
From: mar...@idirect.ca (NAZIHUNTER)
Organization: Assyrians and Babylonians "R" Us
and that the dialup is a Toronto based ISP?
NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.229.66.152 renders as using GEEKTOOLS
http://www.geektools.com/cgi-bin/proxy.cgi?query=NETBLK-BELLCANADA-5&targetnic=whois.arin.net
Bell Nexxia (NETBLK-BELLCANADA-5)
350-181 Bay St.
Toronto, ON M5J-2T3
CA
Netname: BELLCANADA-5
Netblock: 64.228.0.0 - 64.231.255.255
<end>
Here is what David Michael posted, as mentioned by John Morris above, concerning
Larry Shiff hiring a detective to get David Michael's address and telephone
number:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&rnum=8&selm=3a7540cb_2%40news.newsfeeds.com
From: "david_michael" <david_...@onetel.net.uk>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
References: <d953939a8414917c...@anon.xg.nu>
<u01a7t8eeovc6ncfo...@4ax.com>
Subject: Re: NEW NAZIHUNTER WEB PAGE
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:10:45 -0000
Message-ID: <3a754...@news.newsfeeds.com>
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA> wrote in message
news:u01a7t8eeovc6ncfo...@4ax.com...
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
<snip>
From which we may infer that Mr Morris still doesn't have a clue who
Nazihunter is, despite the allegation of a $825,000 house bought by
Nazihunter just after he got his PhD.
The one name on that list that means something to me is Shiff. The following
was sent to me on 28 December 1999. I assumed that it was a deliberate red
herring and took no action. There is, however, the possibility that it was
genuinely sent to the wrong e-mail address by a somewhat butterfingered Mr
Burchell:
<begin quote>
From glob...@freenet.co.uk Tue Dec 28 11:
44:22 1999
Received:from [195.89.137.4] (helo=maildns.FSBDial.co.uk) by
rhenium.btinternet.com with esmtp
(Exim 2.05 #1) id 122v37-0004Ng-00 for
david.e...@btinternet.com;
Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:44:21 +0000
Received: from [212.1.140.231] by maildns.freenet.co.uk (NTMail
4.30.0013/NT0619.00.8ceac940) with ESMTP id qqeqhaaa for
<david.e...@btinternet.com>;
Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:29:34 +0000
Message-ID: <024001bf5129$207041c0$e78c01d4@oemcomputer>
From: "Global Investigation Service" <glob...@freenet.co.uk>
To: <david.e...@btinternet.com>
Subject: Enquiry
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:42:18 -0000
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Dear Mr Shiff,
Thank you for your enquiry. Our fee will be Ł 135.00 on a no trace, no fee
basis. We will require all the information you have regarding Dr Michael and
we will also require a physical address and telephone number for you.
Once we have located his current address ( normally within 48 hours) we will
telephone you to confirm and once we have received our fee, either by direct
transfer or cheque, we will provide our report.
We look forward to hearing from you shortly.
Kind regards
Timothy Burchell
Global Investigation Service
www.ukprivateinvestigators.com
Tel: 0044 1883 717 955
Voicemail: 0044 702 116 5845
US Fax: (253) 736 7423
ICQ# 52653461
Mob: 0044 7887 481319
UK Toll Free: 0800 980 2792
<end quote>
David
~~End of GOOGLE Archive~~
What does the above reveal? Laurence B. Shiff seeks to get the personal info on
yet another person so he may post it and harass yet another person!
Once again here is John Morris:
From: John Morris (John....@UAlberta.CA)
Subject: Re: OXFORD UNION SURRENDERS TO THE TRADITIONAL ENEMIES OF FREE
SPEECH!!
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast, alt.revisionism, soc.culture.mideast,
soc.culture.palestine, soc.culture.usa, soc.culture.canada
Message-ID: <0f1tftog105fkbcac...@4ax.com>
Date: 2001-05-13 07:16:05 PST
Between 1995 to 1998, a Laurence Shiff of Toronto, posting in usenet
as mar...@idirect.ca, posted the names, addresses, and telephone
numbers of people he didn't like. He also dropped broad hints about
making harassing telephone calls.
After an absence of some months in 1998, he either returned using
anonymous remailers *or else* another person from the Toronto area
began to do the same sort of thing. Aside from anonymity, this
person showed another difference from Shiff's abuses: he was much
bolder in stating that he was indeed making harassing phonecalls.....
<END of POST>
BTW for the records Laurence B. Shiff as NAZIHUNTER likes making death threats
too!
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&selm=95klae%242m7d%241%40news.tht.net
From: mar...@idirect.com (NAZIHUNTER)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: HERE'S A THOUGHT: MEET SCOTTY ON FEB. 7
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 22:32:47 +0000 (UTC)
Organization: Assyrians "R" Us
Lines: 9
Message-ID: <95klae$2m7d$1...@news.tht.net>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII
X-Trace: news.tht.net 981325967 88301 216.126.78.61 (4 Feb 2001 22:32:47 GMT)
X-Complaints-To: scr...@hub.org
X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit)
ASSUMING THAT THW SHIT-ASSED NARCOLEPTIC OBESE DWARF KNOWS HOW TO NAVIGATE
BEYOND THE 25 FT RANGE OF HIS MOTHER'S LEASH, ONE HOPES THAT HE CAN ATTEND HIS
DAMAGES HEARING ON FEB 7 IN ALLENTOWN. THATS THE DAY SCOTTY LOSES HIS RENTED
STY.
SO LETS ALL MEET HIM...WITH BASEBALL BATS...
I'LL BE THERE, LETS SEE IF YOU CAN PICK ME OUT OF THE CROWD
~~End of EXACT GOOGLE Archive~~
Notice the pertinent info? From: mar...@idirect.com (NAZIHUNTER)
I filed a formal complaint three times with X-Complaints-To: scr...@hub.org
and not one thing was done! Why? Dr. Shiff is SCRAPPY'S (Marc Fournier's boss!)
Here is SCRAPPY aka Marc Fournier showing he knows who Dr. Shiff is in his dodge
to duck responsibility and why on Earth would SCRAPPY be CCing Nizkor's Ken
McVay about Dr. Shiff harassing people? Also notice that Shiff's THT.NET
provides Ken McVay and his Nizkor with bandwidth!
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=rnum=1&selm=8s2vdt8i7t6c9iqno11khle4ssrvul76nj%404ax.com
From: THE REAL NIZKOR WATCH _ R 2 (doc_t...@my-deja.comDELETE2MAIL-NO-SPAM)
Subject: CONSPIRACY! Ken McVay of Nizkor, Marc Fournier aka Scrappy of THT.NET
and Dr. Shiff aka NAZIHUNTER and Son of J Richard Shiff of Toronto
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism, soc.history, soc.culture.jewish
Message-ID: <8s2vdt8i7t6c9iqno...@4ax.com>
Date: 2001-04-19 19:14:13 PST
On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 23:50:19 +0000 (UTC), <9bntjr$2bka$1...@news.tht.net>
kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
>Scott Bradbury's a classic example of the value of free speech. Give him
>a platform and a microphone, and he'll shoot himself (and everything
>he stands for) in the foot within 5 minutes.
You are a classic example of free speech too McVay. You are an ASSOCIATE of a
person who has canceled every post I have made since mid March, you are funded
by B'nai Brith which seeks to imprison people for saying the wrong things...
[...]
>Such are the proponents of "Holocaust denial."
Where have I denied the Holocaust liar? Care to show one post or archive where I
denied it? Why do you have to resort to lies Ken?
BTW why did Scrappy at THT.NET e-mail you about all the forged cancels your pal
Shiff is doing to Matt Giwer and myself? Also why would Scrappy act like he did
not know Shiff and days later he e-mails Matt Giwer and myself that he did not
know the e-mail address of "Dr. Shiff"? Seems strange that Scrappy would act
like he didn't know Shiff and then later refer to him as Dr. Shiff!
Now quit being a coward McVay and answer why Scrappy e-mailed you about the
harassment Giwer and I are experiencing? Looks conspiratorial to me.
Everyone look at this!
X-Authentication-Warning: mobile.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:24:56 -0300 (ADT)
From: The Hermit Hacker <scr...@hub.org>
To: Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com>
Cc: Scott Bradbury <xx...@flash.net>, <mac...@tht.net>, <kmc...@nizkor.org>,
<ab...@networksolutions.com>, <ab...@trends.ca>
Subject: Re: #2 Reply- Rogue Cancellations[Fwd: ttnet]
X-Mime-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by vm7-ext.prodigy.net id
f3JBYu2214944
<deleted as it came from Matt Giwer>
On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Matt Giwer wrote:
> The Hermit Hacker wrote:
>
> Why not simply answer the mail as to why you keep adding kmcvay? As no
> one else added him or even mentioned him before you added him, you know
> of a connection we do not know. What is that connection.
>
> As many Mr. Spocks would have said, we are all ears.
:
> > Okay, having better things to do then to scan through several hundred
> > lines of useless information,
:
> Two weeks ago you said you were putting the effort into the hand of
> THT.NET yet that continues. As THT.NET has not taken action why is
> THT.NET still being given domain service? ISPs must be responsible.
:
> > if you can send me *one* cancel more recent
> > then ~2weeks ago, we'd have something to at least investigate ... keep
> > sending me several hundred lines of garbage to sift through, and I'll
> > send you back the same response each time and not waste my time reading > > the contents of the email ...
:
> It is repetative of what has been previously sent. I certainly had no
> problem reading it the first time and I have never worked in any aspect
> of the internet business. It is not that difficult and I have reasonable
> consulting rates but price in $US.
:
> > Marc/Ken, I don't have Dr. Shiff's email address ...
[...]
> > Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick:
> > Scrappy Systems Administrator @ hub.org
> > primary: scr...@hub.org secondary:
> > scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org
Why would Scrappy be saying Dr. Shiff on April 19th and be e-mailing Ken McVay a
copy. Notice just 13 days ago Scrappy acted like he didn't know who Shiff was!
X-Authentication-Warning: mobile.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 23:18:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: The Hermit Hacker <scr...@hub.org>
To: Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com>
Cc: <ab...@tampabay.rr.com>, <secu...@tampabay.rr.com>,
Scott Bradbury <xx...@flash.net>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: URGENT! Matt Now Shiff Is Canceling Stranger's Posts
Using Your Identity and Taiwan University Server]
did you ever think maybe that its someone other then this Shiff?
Considering that its obvious that whomever it is moving from NNTP
server to NNTP server and assuming ppl's identities?
<end>
In thirteen days Scrappy went from saying "this Shiff" to "Dr. Shiff."
Here is Scrappy advising Ken McVay what McVay's major donor (Dr. Laurence B.
Shiff, Ph.D.) was doing to Matt Giwer and myself:
Sender: xx...@tampabay.rr.com
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 21:53:21 -0400
From: Matt Giwer <xx...@tampabay.rr.com>
Organization: IASUTAAS Industries
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-22 i686)
X-Accept-Language: en
To: ab...@tampabay.rr.com, secu...@tampabay.rr.com
Subject: [Fwd: Re: Attn: Taiwan University - Your Server is Being HACKED
by Criminal from THT.NET]
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Attn: Taiwan University - Your Server is Being HACKED by
Criminal from THT.NET
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 22:33:16 -0300 (ADT)
From: The Hermit Hacker <scr...@hub.org>
To: Scott Bradbury <xx...@flash.net>
CC: <postm...@news.ntu.edu.tw>, <xx...@tampabay.rr.com>,
<ab...@rr.com>, <da...@vex.net>, <kmc...@nizkor.org>, <ad...@THT.NET>
I think we got him *this* time ... please feel free to report any other
trangressions, including any line to the effect of:
> X-Trace: news.tht.net 986430216 32344 216.126.78.61
~~End of GOOGLE Archival Excerpt~~
It is no secret that Laurence B. Shiff was/is a major donor and supporter of Ken
McVay and his Nizkor as proven here:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&rnum=1&selm=0epn6t4et0v6gue0g5270pq1j8f50dhp7v%404ax.com
"Supplement - Everyone Look at Nazihunter's Headers!.."
Subject: Re: Let's play "find the nazihunter"
Date: 12/20/1999
Author: Kenneth McVay OBC <kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&rnum=1&selm=83lp0j%2417ua%241%40news.tht.net&filter=0
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&rnum=2&selm=83k890%2429jn%241%40news.tht.net&filter=0
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&rnum=3&selm=83kmrv%242s7o%241%40news.tht.net&filter=0
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&rnum=4&selm=83kbt3%242e3e%241%40news.tht.net&filter=0
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&rnum=5&selm=83kak3%242cis%241%40news.tht.net&filter=0
[...]
John Morris did say:
>But back to the question: why did I ask you if there was no public
>connection between you and Marduk?
You asked me because you knew that Marduk had been a donor at one point,
and you wanted me to tell you who he was - i.e. violate a confidence.
>Well, when Matt Giwer was being mailbombed, I decided to see if I
>could help him catch the culprit. And given Marduk's already
>well-established history, I suggested publicly that Marduk could not
>be ruled out as the mailbomber. That brought this response by
>private e-mail:
>
><quote>
> Received: from bock.ucs.ualberta.ca (bock.ucs.ualberta.ca
> [129.128.5.214]) by maildrop.srv.ualberta.ca (8.8.4/8.8.2) with
> SMTP id UAA42628 for <jmo...@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca>; Sat, 28 Dec
> 1996 20:04:12 -0700
> Received: from tor-srs1.netcom.ca by bock.ucs.ualberta.ca with SMTP
> (8.6.5/UA) id UAA25114
> for <John....@UAlberta.CA>; Sat, 28 Dec 1996 20:04:50 -0700
> Received: from laurie by tor-srs1.netcom.ca (8.7.5/SMI-4.1/Netcom)
> id WAA27136; Sat, 28 Dec 1996 22:03:32 -0500 (EST)
> X-UIDL: 851841834.000
> Message-Id: <1996122903...@tor-srs1.netcom.ca>
> To: John....@UAlberta.CA
> Subject: Re: GIWER'S ANONYMOUS-EMAIL ATTEMPT AT SELF-LIBEL
> From: mar...@netcom.ca (Marduk)
> Organization: Babylonians 'R Us
> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 96 22:03:07 PST
> X-Mailer: WinVN 0.99.6
> In-Reply-To: <32c693f6...@news.srv.ualberta.ca>
> References: <5a3opk$i...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
> <32c693f6...@news.srv.ualberta.ca>
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> In article <32c693f6...@news.srv.ualberta.ca>, you say...
>
> >I would not rule out the possibility that Marduk was the source
> >of the e-mail, and there is a least one other individual who might
> >have had a hand in it. If I receive enough e-mail copies, I will
> >ask for the cooperation of at least three ISPs.
> >
> >--
> >John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
> >--
> >The Nizkor Project | http://www.nizkor.org/
>
> that is hardly fair nor accurate. at the very least. you could
> e-mail me first, before making such an accustaion.
> I would suggest that you query Ken McVay regarding my substantial
> financial support of Nizkor's good works as proof that we are on
> the same side.
></quote>
<<Doc Tavish comment April 6, 2001: See the tie between Nizkor and
NAZIHUNTER? Notice where the e-mail came from? Ken MCVay and Shiff are
"asshole buddies" plain and simple!>>
>Well, I kind of shrugged it off way back then at the end of 1996. I
>kind of just shook my head and asked myself, "Who is this asshole who
>posts people's addresses and telephone numbers and makes harassing
>phone calls and thinks he's a 'good guy' because he gives Ken McVay
>twenty bucks?"
>
>But I remembered the e-mail, and that's why I asked you if you could
>help me track down the bastard who'd been posting people's addresses
>and telephone numbers. You refused.
No, I didn't refuse. I said that if your evidence proved that the two
posters were the same, I would consider revealing his identity. You sent
me your "proof," and I was unconvinced, and told you so - primarily
because of the incorrect academic information (he is not an academic,
period, as I told you at the time) you attributed to your man.
[...]
[charges of self-interest due to source of funding]
>Do I smell self-interest here? You bet I do.
You also think marduk is an academic - he isn't.
You also think I hate Mr. Edeiken - I don't.
You also think I accused Mr. McFee of being Nazihunter - I didn't.
>You've gone out of your way to cover your ass from the get-go. You
>released information that you didn't have to release describing Yale
>Edeiken as the source of the address information. You've pretended
Since Mr. Edeiken was the source, that makes perfect sense.
>You've lied about how long the file was available. You've tried to
>cover up the fact that a major donor to your website has a history of
>harassing people not only in Usenet, but in the real world. You've
>denied that your major donor can be connected to the name and
>practices of Nazihunter.
I not only did not "cover up" Marduk's harassment in UseNet, I chastised
him for it. That isn't the issue - the issue is that your evidence does
not prove both userid's are the same person - in fact, with respect to the
academic side, your evidence seems to prove that both are _not_ the same
man.
>But is this all just to cover your ass and protect a major donor? Is
>even just an exercise in fucking over Yale Edeiken? Or is there a
>bigger game afoot?
Marduk is not a donor, and has not been for about a year, if memory
serves. I am protecting his identity because I have yet to see
evidence of his guilt. If and when I do, I will release the
information to the police.
--
The Nizkor Project http://www.nizkor.org
Also see:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&rnum=10&selm=ltjn6totq6o2oaql50bitrt8bbh9r1ucf2%404ax.com
"Everyone Look at Nazihunter's Headers! Very Revealing!.."
~~~End of Proof Which Links McVay to Shiff~~~
(Also something to think about. Shiff laid on his relentless attacks of
canceling my posts at the same time I started posting about Nizkor and its
tax status! Seeing how a link has been established between the two I can
say there is a "criminal enterprise" a foot. McVay did afterall post my
address etc.)
Need I say more other than criminal conspiracy between Nizkor (Ken McVay) and
his master and donor Laurence B. Shiff aka MARDUK aka NAZIHUNTER?
BTW for proof that Laurence B. Shiff posts bogus child porn ads to frame
innocent people see this post:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&rnum=1&selm=4193ft8t1g0g10a2beg4qqlp6t5gkau05b%404ax.com
From: Bubba McBeevee (mcbeevee@msie_2001.com)
Subject: Answering Sara's False Accusations Via a Proxy and Showing How I have
Been Criminally Harassed....
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Message-ID: <4193ft8t1g0g10a2b...@4ax.com>
Date: 2001-05-03 12:53:03 PST
Compare the exact bogus child porn ad perpetrated against me to another victim
of Laurence B. Shiff. The bogus child porn ads are word for word except for the
names!!!
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&rnum=10&selm=A61B018FE0.apdfayvaeex%40ikelm.gov
Message-ID: <A61B018FE0....@ikelm.gov>
From: litt...@fhyotehfck.mil
Subject: Do you love teenie weenies?
If the GOOGLE links do not work then use this method of retrieval:
To retrieve/verify the archives go to the GOOGLE web site for USENET archive
retrievals <http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search> and Copy'N'Paste
the MESSAGE IDs into the field labeled: "Message ID Find the message with
message ID" and then activate GOOGLE SEARCH.
For the record all instances of the bogus child porn ads have been investigated
and are on file with American Federal authorities and if you all read of my
account of Laurence B. Shiff's abuse you will see my letters etc. to law
enforcement. For a fact Laurence B. Shiff of Toronto, Ontario Canada is a
criminal who has escaped justice for years. The Feds here in America have no
jurisdiction in Canada BUT sooner or later Laurence B. Shiff, son of York
University's J Richard Shiff, will get what he deserves!
If advertising child porn is a punishable crime then is not forging an
advertisement for child porn in another person's identity a crime? Afterall
Laurence B. Shiff of Toronto, Ontario tried to frame myself and another person!
All on file with my local law enforcement which is detailed in the post bearing
this Message ID: 4193ft8t1g0g10a2b...@4ax.com
Read for yourselves about the filthy lying criminal who inhabits your province
and city! REMEMBER: LAURENCE B. SHIFF CRIMINALLY HARASSES PEOPLE!
Doc Tavish
Lucas Tam
BTW, you were listed as the #1 Spammer a few days ago... in
news.admin.abuse!
T-A-V <RemoveAllHYPH...@ix.ne-tc-om.com> wrote in
news:u6bc1ushuf4mcf8ot...@4ax.com: