Drummer Street Bus Station - not very well run?
Ted
Rosenstiel <rosen...@cix.co.uk> writes
>>
>> They should have moved the bus station onto New Square years ago.
>
>Get thee hence, satan! Hands off our Georgian square!
>
I'm inclined to agree but those who say "Not In My Back Yard!" should
perhaps be prepared to say whose back yard they *would* put it in and
take the flak from that quarter. ;-)
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Peter Benie
Simon Cottrell <sj...@hermes.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>Patrick Gosling wrote:
>
>> Well, since other people have jolly ideas like turning the Grafton Centre
>> into a hospital, I think I'm going to make moving the bus station out
>> to by the railway station *my* personal hobby-horse.
>>
>> What are the disadvantages?
>
>Only the fact that it's a mile from the city centre, which is hardly a
>big incentive for people going shopping etc. to use the bus.
A lot of the deadlocks are caused by buses trying to get in and out while
other buses are stopped on both sides of Emmanual street. Emmanual street
isn't wide enough for this. How about getting rid of the bus stops on one
side of the street, and putting up extra stops on Emmanual Road and/or
Parker Street?
>Also, I'm not sure exactly where at the railway station you'd put the new
>bus station.
Isn't there space between Rustat Road and the railway?
Peter
Colin Rosenstiel
t...@chy-an-piran.demon.co.uk (Ted) wrote:
> In article <memo.19991017...@rosenstiel.cix.co.uk>, Colin
> Rosenstiel <rosen...@cix.co.uk> writes
> >>
> >> They should have moved the bus station onto New Square years ago.
> >
> >Get thee hence, satan! Hands off our Georgian square!
> >
> I'm inclined to agree but those who say "Not In My Back Yard!" should
> perhaps be prepared to say whose back yard they *would* put it in and
> take the flak from that quarter. ;-)
Chorus of "altogether now - BY THE STATION".
Colin Rosenstiel
Paul Oldham
rosen...@cix.co.uk (Colin Rosenstiel) growled:
> In article <7ucvip$pn8$1...@epos.tesco.net>, Hau...@tesco.net (Richard
> Haughey) wrote:
>
> > They should have moved the bus station onto New Square years ago.
>
> Get thee hence, satan! Hands off our Georgian square!
Surely you mean "hands off our recently converted car park" ;-)
But you're right, it would be dreadful to lose in again having only recently
go it back.
> Chorus of "altogether now - BY THE STATION".
Really? It's not very central though is it?
Hey, what about *under* New Square?
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Paul Oldham
(Simon Cottrell) growled:
> How about replacing Lion Yard car park with a bus station?
... as part of the Grand Arcade development? You know, it might just work.
Especially if it was one floor up (ISTR that New York has one just like
that) so that you could put shops under it so you'd make best use of the
real estate.
Patrick Gosling
Paul Oldham <pa...@the-hug.org> wrote:
>> Chorus of "altogether now - BY THE STATION".
>
>Really? It's not very central though is it?
regular shuttle buses between the station(s) and the centre of town. Say
every three minutes.
-patrick.
Patrick Gosling
Peter Benie <pjb...@cus.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>>Also, I'm not sure exactly where at the railway station you'd put the new
>>bus station.
>
>Isn't there space between Rustat Road and the railway?
I suspect that there's a fair bit of space off to the right as you
approach the railway from hills road. I have no idea who owns the
various chunks of land, semi-disused sidings, etc.
-patrick.
Patrick Gosling
>> What are the disadvantages?
>
>Only the fact that it's a mile from the city centre, which is hardly a
>big incentive for people going shopping etc. to use the bus.
Have (very) regular shuttle buses doing a loop of town from the bus/railway
station.
-patrick.
Peter Benie
The reason for having the bus station in the town centre is because
that's where a lost of people want to go. By putting the bus station
at the railway station, you would be forcing all bus routes to go
along Hills Road and Regent Street.
What about moving to Butt Green (the bit of Midsummer Common by Four
Lamps roundabout)? It's very close to the Grafton Centre, is fairly
close the the city centre, and has sensible routes for getting buses
to/from most of the city.
Peter
Roland Perry
<jp...@eng.cam.ac.uk> writes
>Well, since other people have jolly ideas like turning the Grafton Centre
>into a hospital,
That was me again, I'm afraid ;-)
>I think I'm going to make moving the bus station out
>to by the railway station *my* personal hobby-horse.
>
>What are the disadvantages?
None that I can see, especially when they open up the new access route
to Hills Rd.
They should have moved the bus station years ago, when closing Petty
Cury and the Market Square to busses ghetto-ised them to the current
situation.
--
Roland Perry
Roland Perry
<sj...@hermes.cam.ac.uk> writes
>How about replacing Lion Yard car park with a bus station?
Maybe the Grand Arcade should include a well integrated bus *stop*, but
I think the bus *station* should be relocated to the railway station.
There's plenty of spare land, and it's no-one's back yard.
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Roland Perry
Roland Perry
<sj...@hermes.cam.ac.uk> writes
>Also, I'm
>not sure exactly where at the railway station you'd put the new bus
>station.
Bags of room. The car parks are being redeveloped, so all that land is
up for grabs. Also the area between Station Rd and Hills Rd is largely
derelict.
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Roland Perry
Roland Perry
<pjb...@cus.cam.ac.uk> writes
>The reason for having the bus station in the town centre is because
>that's where a lost of people want to go.
Which is fine if you have lots of busses going along Hills Rd and Regent
St.
>By putting the bus station
>at the railway station, you would be forcing all bus routes to go
>along Hills Road and Regent Street.
Only the ones from the station to points North and East [the west has no
busses anyway, rant deleted as unduly repetitive].
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Roland Perry
Dan Sheppard
>When I were a lad the Chelmsford Bus Station was most definitely "run".
When I were a lad the Chelmsford Bus Station was most definitely not "run".
I think the post-deregulation thing makes sense.I used to commute to
Harlow on the bus for a summer job, and on the days when the trains
were bust, it was amusing to see the bus station tryuing to cope with
a vast influx of executives, dizzy at the concept of no first class,
and coaches from a thousand coach companies offering to take them into
the smoke. The various companies would compete by getting in each
others way at the bus station. This was progress.
Dan.
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Paul Oldham
Gosling) growled:
So many journeys into the town centre will involve changing bus? Hardly the
best way to encourage people to use the bus.
Colin Rosenstiel
Perry) wrote:
> In article <380A4A35...@hermes.cam.ac.uk>, Simon Cottrell
> <sj...@hermes.cam.ac.uk> writes
> >How about replacing Lion Yard car park with a bus station?
>
> Maybe the Grand Arcade should include a well integrated bus *stop*, but
> I think the bus *station* should be relocated to the railway station.
> There's plenty of spare land, and it's no-one's back yard.
There will be special park-and-ride access and stopping facilities,
probably from the planned Trumpington Park and Ride car park.
Colin Rosenstiel
Colin Rosenstiel
(Paul Oldham) wrote:
> In article <memo.19991017...@rosenstiel.cix.co.uk>,
> rosen...@cix.co.uk (Colin Rosenstiel) growled:
>
> > In article <7ucvip$pn8$1...@epos.tesco.net>, Hau...@tesco.net (Richard
> > Haughey) wrote:
> >
> > > They should have moved the bus station onto New Square years ago.
> >
> > Get thee hence, satan! Hands off our Georgian square!
>
> Surely you mean "hands off our recently converted car park" ;-)
>
> But you're right, it would be dreadful to lose in again having only
> recently go it back.
It was a Georgian square a long time before it became a car park, at a
time when people were a lot less sensitive to their environment that now
(i.e. they were a load of philistines).
The recently retired County Councillor for Market Ward, Chris Bradford,
remembers the time when cows grazed on New Square. He's not *that* old.
Arguably the car park use was contrary to a covenant under which the
square was conveyed to the City Council by Jesus College. It's certainly
contrary to a current covenant. The college's consent was required to
create a new footpath on the square adjacent to where the pavement used to
be near the bollards. If that sounds like a convoluted legalistic
construction, it is!
> Hey, what about *under* New Square?
You obviously know something about tree roots and the water table that
everyone else has missed. :-)
Colin Rosenstiel
Colin Rosenstiel
(Peter Benie) wrote:
> The reason for having the bus station in the town centre is because
> that's where a lost of people want to go. By putting the bus station
> at the railway station, you would be forcing all bus routes to go
> along Hills Road and Regent Street.
Actually a questionable proposition. If you had a public transport hub at
the station the rest would follow.
> What about moving to Butt Green (the bit of Midsummer Common by Four
> Lamps roundabout)? It's very close to the Grafton Centre, is fairly
> close the the city centre, and has sensible routes for getting buses
> to/from most of the city.
It would require a special Act of Parliament and be over my (and many
Cambridge residents' dead bodies.
Inner Cambridge's green spaces are part of what is valuable in this city.
Transport is secondary.
Colin Rosenstiel
Jonathan Larmour
Colin Rosenstiel <rosen...@cix.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <x3SRv3Ad...@perry.co.uk>, rol...@perry.co.uk (Roland
>Perry) wrote:
>
>> Maybe the Grand Arcade should include a well integrated bus *stop*
>
>probably from the planned Trumpington Park and Ride car park.
Anyone know what's happening about the cycle facilities (or lack thereof
when I looked at the exhibition about it in the Guildhall)? Any movement?
Jifl
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Paul Oldham
rosen...@cix.co.uk (Colin Rosenstiel) growled:
> [New Square] was a Georgian square a long time before it became a car
> park, at a time when people were a lot less sensitive to their environment
> that now (i.e. they were a load of philistines).
>
> The recently retired County Councillor for Market Ward, Chris Bradford,
> remembers the time when cows grazed on New Square. He's not *that* old.
Good grief. Does that mean there were cows on Christ's Pieces in living
memory too? Have you any idea when it became a car park? I only remember New
Square as a crappy car park (with that odd footpath which went up and over
the road). That would have been in 1979.
> > Hey, what about *under* New Square?
>
> You obviously know something about tree roots and the water table that
> everyone else has missed. :-)
Indeed. Perhaps the opportunity we really missed was not putting the new
Parkside Pool under there - could have saved a fortune in water rates ;-)
Roland Perry
>Transport is secondary.
Yes, we've all experienced this :-(
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Roland Perry
Roland Perry
>everyone else has missed. :-)
Water table is one thing, but tree roots quite another. You may recall
that the substantial car park under Hyde Park was constructed by
removing and replacing the mature trees in the park above.
There's also a circular (spiral) car park under a very small square just
north of Holborn. That has an entirely "original" garden and trees above
it.
--
Roland Perry
Colin Rosenstiel
wrote:
> In article <memo.1999101...@rosenstiel.cix.co.uk>, Colin
Yeah, people who love car parks always quote Hyde Park. I just remember a
park which was a continuous building site while I was growing up.
And then there's the water table...
Colin Rosenstiel
Colin Rosenstiel
> In article <memo.1999101...@rosenstiel.cix.co.uk>,
> rosen...@cix.co.uk (Colin Rosenstiel) growled:
>
> > [New Square] was a Georgian square a long time before it became a car
> > park, at a time when people were a lot less sensitive to their
> > environment
> > that now (i.e. they were a load of philistines).
> >
> > The recently retired County Councillor for Market Ward, Chris
> > Bradford, remembers the time when cows grazed on New Square. He's not
> > *that* old.
>
> Good grief. Does that mean there were cows on Christ's Pieces in living
> memory too? Have you any idea when it became a car park? I only
> remember New Square as a crappy car park (with that odd footpath which
> went up and over the road). That would have been in 1979.
Probably before the war (just). I forget. The bridge came later, in the
60s I think. All before my time.
> > You obviously know something about tree roots and the water table
> > that everyone else has missed. :-)
>
> Indeed. Perhaps the opportunity we really missed was not putting the
> new Parkside Pool under there - could have saved a fortune in water
> rates ;-)
Same problem. It's a priceless part of Cambridge's non-university
heritage. There should never have been a car park and the square should
fit in with the three fine ranges of houses.
Colin Rosenstiel