“Code 27 parked on white T marking over a dropped kerb”.
RobertL
being parked partly over a white line by a dropped kerb. The car did
not obstruct anyone as the garage in question (my neighbour's) is
never used. It has a notice saying so. Everyone routinely parks
there.
I (and my neighbours) had fondly believed that the white lines did not
prohibit parking but indicated where you would be causing an
obstructuion if someone wanted to access the garage. The offence
being causing the obstruction not a parking offence.
Has anyone else noticed a change in the parking policy at Cambridge
City Council?
Robert
RobertL
"NEW - from the 7th December 2009 Penalty Charge Notices will be
issued to those vehicles parked alongside a dropped kerb marked with a
white 'H' marking. Please see our dropped kerbs page for more
information."
Robert
Naich
> Has anyone else noticed a change in the parking policy at Cambridge
> City Council?
Here's a handy hint. If you are having trouble parking in Cambridge, or
even if you can't be bothered to walk a few feet, just leave your car on
the pavement or over a cycle lane. You won't get a ticket because the
LAPE thingies can't issue one and the police have got better things to do,
so you can park with impunity. Check out Coleridge Road for a perfect
example of car drivers taking over the pavements.
http://asshol.es/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=25726
http://asshol.es/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=99
http://asshol.es/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=143
http://asshol.es/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=25494
and so on. I've given up taking pictures because it's making my site a
bit samey.
Naich.
--
http://naich.net ..... My rubbish blog
http://asshol.es ..... Stupidity in pictures
http://sodwork.com ... A waste of time
Motto: If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something.
Rupert Moss-Eccardt
This is actually a national change and the County (for it is their
decision) made the decision to go with it a month or so ago.
This also applies to parking by tactile paving for drops, and double
parking and some other stuff.
RobertL
wrote:
Thanks. I don't object to it, I just had not been aware of the
change. The ticket does not say there has been a change of policy.
Robert
charliejuggler
> On Wed, 9 Dec 2009, RobertL wrote:
>
>> Has anyone else noticed a change in the parking policy at Cambridge
>> City Council?
>
> Here's a handy hint. If you are having trouble parking in Cambridge, or
> even if you can't be bothered to walk a few feet, just leave your car on
> the pavement or over a cycle lane. You won't get a ticket because the
> LAPE thingies can't issue one and the police have got better things to
> do, so you can park with impunity. Check out Coleridge Road for a
> perfect example of car drivers taking over the pavements.
>
> http://asshol.es/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=25726
> http://asshol.es/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=99
> http://asshol.es/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=143
> http://asshol.es/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=25494
>
> and so on. I've given up taking pictures because it's making my site a
> bit samey.
>
> Naich.
For more examples of the same, including parking on the pavement
literally inches from a pedestrian crossing, on blind corners and on
grass verges, come and visit Newmarket Road on any CUFC match day.
C
The Natural Philosopher
Its just park where you can, and bugger the signs.
Martin
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009, Naich wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Dec 2009, RobertL wrote:
>
> > Has anyone else noticed a change in the parking policy at Cambridge
> > City Council?
>
> Here's a handy hint. If you are having trouble parking in Cambridge, or even
> if you can't be bothered to walk a few feet, just leave your car on the
> pavement
Unless there is a yellow line on the carriageway on that side of the road,
at which point this magically becomes enforceable.
> or over a cycle lane. You won't get a ticket because the LAPE
> thingies can't issue one and the police have got better things to do, so you
> can park with impunity. Check out Coleridge Road for a perfect example of car
> drivers taking over the pavements.
>
> http://asshol.es/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=25726
> http://asshol.es/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=99
> http://asshol.es/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=143
> http://asshol.es/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=25494
>
> and so on. I've given up taking pictures because it's making my site a bit
> samey.
>
> Naich.
> --
> http://naich.net ..... My rubbish blog
> http://asshol.es ..... Stupidity in pictures
> http://sodwork.com ... A waste of time
> Motto: If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked
> something.
>
>
Martin
Martin
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009, Rupert Moss-Eccardt wrote:
> This also applies to parking by tactile paving for drops
Why is enforcement only being applied to dropped kerbs that have tactile
paving, and not dropped kerbs generally? What is the point of catering for
pedestrian needs in this way if you're (not you personally!) then just
going to allow cars to block it?
Martin
Tim Ward
news:1dc286a5-47bb-449b...@r40g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>
> Thanks. I don't object to it, I just had not been aware of the
> change. The ticket does not say there has been a change of policy.
It's not unusual to issue warning-only notices for the first little while of
new rules.
--
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Brett Ward Limited - www.brettward.co.uk
Cambridge Accommodation Notice Board - www.brettward.co.uk/canb
Cambridge City Councillor
Andrew May
> "RobertL" <rober...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1dc286a5-47bb-449b...@r40g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>> Thanks. I don't object to it, I just had not been aware of the
>> change. The ticket does not say there has been a change of policy.
>
> It's not unusual to issue warning-only notices for the first little while of
> new rules.
>
parked in MCLs even if they do not have the authority to issues FPNs?
maxb...@cix.compulink.co.uk
(S. Page) wrote:
> So, how does one go about having an 'H' removed
Contact your local councillor(s) or the County Council highways dept.
Or both.
Cambridge City Councillor 'Max' Boyce, West Chesterton.
18 Springfield Road, Cambridge.
Tel/Fax: +44 (0)1223 358292
email: maxb...@cix.co.uk
maxb...@cix.compulink.co.uk
mv...@remove.cam.ac.uk (Martin) wrote:
> Why is enforcement only being applied to dropped kerbs that have
> tactile paving, and not dropped kerbs generally?
Dropped kerb + tactile paving = pedestrian crossing, therefore parking
prohibited.
Dropped kerbs exist for other reasons, e.g. access to driveways.
Max Boyce.
Rupert Moss-Eccardt
This is from the Cabinet Decision Summary:
"Sections 85 and 86 of the Traffic Management Act 2004 (TMA) came into
force on 31st March 2008 prohibiting double parking and parking at
dropped footways in special enforcement areas. The prohibitions in these
sections are enforceable as if imposed by a Traffic Regulation Order.
Following consultation, Government has introduced new regulations
stating that traffic signs and road markings are not required to enforce
these prohibitions. These regulations came into operation on 1st June
this year.
Officers were concerned over the number of challenges that might be
raised through the adjudication service if the new regulations were
enforced under civil parking arrangements (which currently only operate
in Cambridge). Cabinet therefore agreed that the following operational
protocols should be adopted initially and agreed that would be reviewed
through operational experience as part of the annual policy review in
the Spring:
Drop kerbs: only take enforcement action at private accesses where an
access protection marking is provided to identify the location of a
private access and at pedestrian drop kerbs where tactile paving is
provided to highlight its existence.
Double parking: only take enforcement action where vehicles are parked
alongside other motor vehicles "
From the report to Cabinet, we have:
"At its meeting on 15th July, the Highways and Transport PDG, considered
the above operational protocol and expressed support"
So this is a policy that has the support of the tripartite
Green-Lab-Tory PDG.
Rupert Moss-Eccardt
> maxb...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>> In article<hfo95p$7lg$1...@gemini.csx.cam.ac.uk>, s.pag...@ucs.cam.ac.uk
>> (S. Page) wrote:
>>
>>> So, how does one go about having an 'H' removed
>> Contact your local councillor(s) or the County Council highways dept.
>> Or both.
>
> getting them (or not) but nothing, or nothing that I could see, about
> un-getting. Enquiries will be started. Nothing expected.
I have noticed that, in some places, 'I' bars come into being by
accident. Some people have painted their own with household paint. At
the next 'refresh' of the lines by a man with proper paint, they refresh
the home-grown ones as well. It seems there is no central record of
markings.
Tim Ward
news:WYPTm.52259$lV2....@newsfe18.ams2...
>
> I have noticed that, in some places, 'I' bars come into being by accident.
> Some people have painted their own with household paint. At the next
> 'refresh' of the lines by a man with proper paint, they refresh the
> home-grown ones as well. It seems there is no central record of markings.
'Cos there was no need for a record, 'cos the markings didn't mean anything.
Until now.
rosen...@cix.compulink.co.uk
> Tim Ward <t...@brettward.co.uk> wrote:
> > "RobertL" <rober...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >
> news:1dc286a5-47bb-449b...@r40g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> >>
> >> Thanks. I don't object to it, I just had not been aware of the
> >> change. The ticket does not say there has been a change of policy.
> >
> > It's not unusual to issue warning-only notices for the first
> > little while of new rules.
>
> Mmm. The road I live in has three dropped kerbs. Two, the access to
> the en-bloc garages and the access to the off-road parking for the house
> at the end, pre-date my moving there. Neither of these have a white
> 'H' marking.
>
> The third, put in a few years ago to facilitate wheelchair access for a
> terminally ill resident, _does_ have an H (of course it took so long for
> that work to be done that the resident had little benefit, but that's
> another story). Of the three, that is the one that now has least need
> of an 'H'. Knowing this, residents do park there as, with the increase
> in both larger vehicles and multi-vehicle households, space is now at
> a premium at times.
>
> So, how does one go about having an 'H' removed (if we are not to be at
> risk of being fined for parking where we know we can without
> impediment)? Or relocated - the one that arguably does need it is the
> access to the en-bloc garages; I've lost count of the number of times a
> car has been parked blocking that.
Contact the Highways people at Shire Hall or your local County Councillor.
If you have a problem identifying them, either give your street or email
me.
--
Colin Rosenstiel
Al Grant
> 'Cos there was no need for a record, 'cos the markings didn't mean anything.
> Until now.
So will the council tow away people parked on 'H' markings
if it is preventing people getting out? What about without
the markings?
I've towed cars away in this situation (specifically, when the
resident affected had a hospital appointment), i.e. dragged
them down the road with their handbrake on - never had any
complaints. Police and council were both totally uninterested.
Tim Ward
news:878323bb-e31f-4ee4...@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> On 9 Dec, 17:03, "Tim Ward" <t...@brettward.co.uk> wrote:
>> 'Cos there was no need for a record, 'cos the markings didn't mean
>> anything.
>> Until now.
>
> So will the council tow away people parked on 'H' markings
> if it is preventing people getting out? What about without
> the markings?
That's real live obstruction and is out of the council's hands - it's a
police job with or without the markings.
Theo Markettos
> Mmm. The road I live in has three dropped kerbs. Two, the access to
> the en-bloc garages and the access to the off-road parking for the house
> at the end, pre-date my moving there. Neither of these have a white
> 'H' marking.
We also have seemingly arbitrary Hs. Some may have been put in with a
traffic calming scheme, some with residents with tins of paint. We have no
way of knowing.
I wonder what would happen if someone parked on a pointless H - perhaps
where a dropped kerb was installed for a driveway which now doesn't exist as
it has a brick wall across it (not that I know of any of those specifically,
but there are similar occurrences existing).
Theo
Roland Perry
Dec 2009, Rupert Moss-Eccardt <r.moss-...@computer.org> remarked:
>Double parking: only take enforcement action where vehicles are parked
>alongside other motor vehicles "
How many non-motor vehicles are there, that someone might double-park
alongside?
--
Roland Perry
Roland Perry
2009, The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> remarked:
>> For more examples of the same, including parking on the pavement
>>literally inches from a pedestrian crossing, on blind corners and on
>>grass verges, come and visit Newmarket Road on any CUFC match day.
>> C
>better still go to Italy.
>
>Its just park where you can, and bugger the signs.
Or Paris, where they routinely park across pedestrian crossings.
--
Roland Perry
Tim Ward
news:8aF*NE...@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk...
>
> I wonder what would happen if someone parked on a pointless H - perhaps
> where a dropped kerb was installed for a driveway which now doesn't exist
> as
> it has a brick wall across it (not that I know of any of those
> specifically,
> but there are similar occurrences existing).
There are plenty of H-bars with no dropped kerbs, eg to encourage people not
to park on a space that's used to pick up and drop off a disabled person who
doesn't qualify for a disabled parking space.
Duncan Wood
> On Wed, 9 Dec 2009, RobertL wrote:
>
>> Has anyone else noticed a change in the parking policy at Cambridge
>> City Council?
>
> Here's a handy hint. If you are having trouble parking in Cambridge, or
> even if you can't be bothered to walk a few feet, just leave your car on
> the pavement or over a cycle lane. You won't get a ticket because the
> LAPE thingies can't issue one and the police have got better things to
> do, so you can park with impunity. Check out Coleridge Road for a
> perfect example of car drivers taking over the pavements.
>
> http://asshol.es/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=25726
> http://asshol.es/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=99
> http://asshol.es/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=143
> http://asshol.es/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=25494
>
> and so on. I've given up taking pictures because it's making my site a
> bit samey.
>
> Naich.
Or park your Anglia water van on Kings Hedges road with the bumper
tpouching the pelican crossing post so noone can see the traffic or
vice-versa
--
Duncan Wood
Mark Ayliffe
Tim Ward <t...@brettward.co.uk> illuminated us with:
> "Theo Markettos" <theom...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote in message
> news:8aF*NE...@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk...
>>
>> I wonder what would happen if someone parked on a pointless H - perhaps
>> where a dropped kerb was installed for a driveway which now doesn't exist
>> as
>> it has a brick wall across it (not that I know of any of those
>> specifically,
>> but there are similar occurrences existing).
>
> There are plenty of H-bars with no dropped kerbs, eg to encourage people not
> to park on a space that's used to pick up and drop off a disabled person who
> doesn't qualify for a disabled parking space.
And around quite a few speed bumps I think.
--
Mark
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| Finally, it is accepted as self-evident.
RobertL
wrote:
> S. Page wrote:
> > maxbo...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> >> In article<hfo95p$7l...@gemini.csx.cam.ac.uk>, s.page--...@ucs.cam.ac.uk
> >> (S. Page) wrote:
>
> >>> So, how does one go about having an 'H' removed
> >> Contact your local councillor(s) or the County Council highways dept.
> >> Or both.
>
> > Interestingly the County site has information (including a PDF) about
> > getting them (or not) but nothing, or nothing that I could see, about
> > un-getting. Enquiries will be started. Nothing expected.
>
> I have noticed that, in some places, 'I' bars come into being by
> accident. Some people have painted their own with household paint. At
> the next 'refresh' of the lines by a man with proper paint, they refresh
> the home-grown ones as well. It seems there is no central record of
> markings.
Presumably this means that you could remove them simply by over-
painting them black.
Robert
Rupert Moss-Eccardt
> On or about 2009-12-09,
> Tim Ward<t...@brettward.co.uk> illuminated us with:
>> "Theo Markettos"<theom...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote in message
>> news:8aF*NE...@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk...
>>>
>>> I wonder what would happen if someone parked on a pointless H - perhaps
>>> where a dropped kerb was installed for a driveway which now doesn't exist
>>> as
>>> it has a brick wall across it (not that I know of any of those
>>> specifically,
>>> but there are similar occurrences existing).
>>
>> There are plenty of H-bars with no dropped kerbs, eg to encourage people not
>> to park on a space that's used to pick up and drop off a disabled person who
>> doesn't qualify for a disabled parking space.
>
> And around quite a few speed bumps I think.
Ah. Not quite. They don't have the H or I bits, they are just white
lines marking the edge of the lane.
Mark Ayliffe
Rupert Moss-Eccardt <r.moss-...@computer.org> illuminated us with:
> Mark Ayliffe wrote:
>> On or about 2009-12-09,
>>
>
> Ah. Not quite. They don't have the H or I bits, they are just white
> lines marking the edge of the lane.
Opps, quite correct, my mistake.
--
Mark
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Al Grant
> "Al Grant" <algr...@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
> > So will the council tow away people parked on 'H' markings
> > if it is preventing people getting out? What about without
> > the markings?
>
> That's real live obstruction and is out of the council's hands - it's a
> police job with or without the markings.
It might be a police matter, but the word 'job' suggests
work that in practice they will not do.
If you break down in an obstructive place then the police
will (if you don't make other arrangements quickly enough)
summon a commercial breakdown service, and send you
the bill. Never happened to me but there are plenty of
stories about how the breakdowns services they use are
always surprisingly more expensive than the going rate.
But if someone deliberately parks their car somewhere
obstructive, they aren't interested.