Bye-bye cam.misc?

[Tim Ward]

Virgin tell me they're not doing usenet any more from 30 June.

--
Tim Ward - 07801 703 600
www.brettward.co.uk

[Brian Morrison]

On Mon, 24 May 2021 16:27:16 +0100, Tim Ward wrote:

> Virgin tell me they're not doing usenet any more from 30 June.

There are alternatives available for Usenet access. Some free, some at a
minimal cost.

--

Brian

[Mark Carroll]

On 24 May 2021, Tim Ward wrote:

> Virgin tell me they're not doing usenet any more from 30 June.

Wow, a mainstream ISP sustained Usenet service for this long?

I am reading via https://www.eternal-september.org/ though there are
certainly local folks still running NNTP servers with adequate peering.

-- Mark

[Tim Ward]

The previous "minimal cost" one I was using switched to Paypal IIRC, and
I don't do Paypal.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Albasani has gone, but Eternal September is still free and
news.individual.net is pretty cheap


--
"Corbyn talks about equality, justice, opportunity, health care, peace,
community, compassion, investment, security, housing...."
"What kind of person is not interested in those things?"

"Jeremy Corbyn?"

[Tim Ward]

On 24/05/2021 17:06, Mark Carroll wrote:
>

> I am reading via https://www.eternal-september.org/

Ah yes, I still had them half-configured from trying them out some years
ago. If you're reading this it still works!

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 24/05/2021 17:23, Tim Ward wrote:
> On 24/05/2021 17:06, Mark Carroll wrote:
>>
>> I am reading via https://www.eternal-september.org/
>
> Ah yes, I still had them half-configured from trying them out some years
> ago. If you're reading this it still works!
>

yes, you seem to have a valid setup there


--
"I am inclined to tell the truth and dislike people who lie consistently.
This makes me unfit for the company of people of a Left persuasion, and
all women"

[sens...@gmail.com]

Hi Cam.misc friends on Usenet,
I have been using Usenet for 27 years, I know many of you (at least 8) in person, inc The Natural Philosopher, who donated my 3 lovely cats:-)
Many of us have moved over to Facebook, and can share pictures, videos, etc.
I am https://www.facebook.com/lyndsayw. My Facebook threads have a good number of electronic engineers...
Best Wishes, Lyndsay Williams,
https://twitter.com/lyndsaygirton

[Tim Ward]

On 24/05/2021 21:58, sens...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Hi Cam.misc friends on Usenet,
> I have been using Usenet for 27 years, I know many of you (at least 8) in person, inc The Natural Philosopher, who donated my 3 lovely cats:-)
> Many of us have moved over to Facebook, and can share pictures, videos, etc.
> I am https://www.facebook.com/lyndsayw. My Facebook threads have a good number of electronic engineers...
> Best Wishes, Lyndsay Williams,
> https://twitter.com/lyndsaygirton

A number of us one time cam.miscers are on Twitter. It has been said - I
don't recall by whom - that "Usenet died when Colin Rosenstiel and Tim
Ward stopped dissing Twitter and started using it".

@TimWardCam

[Roland Perry]

In message <s8h4m1$inc$1...@dont-email.me>, at 22:09:20 on Mon, 24 May
2021, Tim Ward <t...@brettward.co.uk> remarked:

I haven't used Twitter in any serious sense since they threw Tweetdeck
under the bus, and subsequently turned it into something resembling a
ticker-feed, rather than a threaded environment.
--
Roland Perry

[The Natural Philosopher]

I haven't used twitter full stop

Or faecesBook

There are limits to how low I will stoop


--
"I guess a rattlesnake ain't risponsible fer bein' a rattlesnake, but ah
puts mah heel on um jess the same if'n I catches him around mah chillun".

[Michael Kilpatrick]

On 24/05/2021 18:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 24/05/2021 17:23, Tim Ward wrote:
>> On 24/05/2021 17:06, Mark Carroll wrote:
>>>
>>> I am reading via https://www.eternal-september.org/
>>
>> Ah yes, I still had them half-configured from trying them out some
>> years ago. If you're reading this it still works!
>>
> yes, you seem to have a valid setup there
>
>

I've been using that for many years now (through Thunderbird).

Annoyingly, every time I want to post a message to cam.misc I have to
send it three times. The first two times it complains and usually on the
third attempt it is successfully sent.

Michael

[Michael Kilpatrick]

On 25/05/2021 10:11, Michael Kilpatrick wrote:

>
> I've been using that for many years now (through Thunderbird).
>
> Annoyingly, every time I want to post a message to cam.misc I have to
> send it three times. The first two times it complains and usually on the
> third attempt it is successfully sent.
>
> Michael

But of course on /this/ occasion the above message was delivered on the
first press of the send button!

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 25/05/2021 10:11, Michael Kilpatrick wrote:

Odd. i use ES/TB and dont have that problem


--
“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that
the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt."

- Bertrand Russell

[Roland Perry]

In message <s8idh6$gbq$1...@dont-email.me>, at 09:46:30 on Tue, 25 May
2021, The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> remarked:

>> I haven't used Twitter in any serious sense since they threw
>>Tweetdeck under the bus, and subsequently turned it into something
>>resembling a ticker-feed, rather than a threaded environment.
>
>I haven't used twitter full stop
>
>Or faecesBook
>
>There are limits to how low I will stoop

... to deprive yourself of very useful sources of information.
--
Roland Perry

[The Natural Philosopher]

'Useful' is a very moveable feast...


--
In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth Is a Revolutionary Act.

- George Orwell

[Theo]

sens...@gmail.com <sens...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Many of us have moved over to Facebook, and can share pictures, videos, etc.

Some of us moved from Facebook to Usenet. The signal/noise is higher here.

Theo

[sens...@gmail.com]

TNP, Facebook and Twitter are only as good as your choice in friends/interests. As an aside, they are both very useful at tracking down lost and stolen pets, as you will remember when your dog was stolen and found using unknown strangers on Facebook :-)
Lyn

[The Natural Philosopher]

er no, a lost pet forum actually,


--
Any fool can believe in principles - and most of them do!

[Peter]

The Natural Philosopher sig read:

“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that
the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt."

- Bertrand Russell

I know one thing about Bertrand Russell. He was raised by his
grandparents, and his grandmother was an accidental spoonerist. When
intending to address him "Bertie dear" she actually said "dirty beer".

--
Just as 'beautiful' points the way for aesthetics and 'good' for ethics,
so do words like 'true' for logic. All sciences have truth as their
goal; but logic is also concerned with it in a quite different way:
logic has much the same relation to truth as physics has to weight or
heat. Frege in 'Thoughts' (Der Gedanke)

[Roland Perry]

In message <c9517d58-d0e2-4fd1...@googlegroups.com>, at
04:01:07 on Tue, 25 May 2021, "sens...@gmail.com" <sens...@gmail.com>
remarked:

>On Tuesday, 25 May 2021 at 11:05:21 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 25/05/2021 10:55, Roland Perry wrote:
>> > In message <s8idh6$gbq$1...@dont-email.me>, at 09:46:30 on Tue, 25 May
>> > 2021, The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> remarked:
>> >
>> >>> I haven't used Twitter in any serious sense since they threw
>> >>> Tweetdeck under the bus, and subsequently turned it into something
>> >>> resembling a ticker-feed, rather than a threaded environment.
>> >>
>> >> I haven't used twitter full stop
>> >>
>> >> Or faecesBook
>> >>
>> >> There are limits to how low I will stoop
>> >
>> > ... to deprive yourself of very useful sources of information.
>> 'Useful' is a very moveable feast...
>>
>>
>> --
>> In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth Is a Revolutionary Act.
>>
>> - George Orwell
>
>TNP, Facebook and Twitter are only as good as your choice in
>friends/interests.

Especially "interests". 'Cambridge in the good old days' is quite an
interesting local one.

>As an aside, they are both very useful at tracking down lost and stolen
>pets, as you will remember when your dog was stolen and found using
>unknown strangers on Facebook :-)

>Lyn

--
Roland Perry

[Jon Schneider]

On 24/05/2021 16:27, Tim Ward wrote:
> Virgin tell me they're not doing usenet any more from 30 June.
>

I gave up on VM and Usenet several years ago.

Maybe it's best that they're actually declaring the fact now.

Jon

[Tim Ward]

On 25/05/2021 18:44, Jon Schneider wrote:
> On 24/05/2021 16:27, Tim Ward wrote:
>> Virgin tell me they're not doing usenet any more from 30 June.
>>
> I gave up on VM and Usenet several years ago.

They throttled it into uselessness for a while, but later stopped doing
that.

[sens...@gmail.com]

Hello,
Why is https://groups.google.com/g/cam.misc not suitable for conversation after VM drop Usenet? I remember Usenet back in 1994 when we downloaded the group chat on a 14kb/sec modem, and read and responded offline, but is the content different now between Google and the current cam.misc readers?
Lyn

[Mark Goodge]

On Tue, 25 May 2021 11:56:15 -0700 (PDT), "sens...@gmail.com"
<sens...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, 25 May 2021 at 18:53:19 UTC+1, Tim Ward wrote:
>> On 25/05/2021 18:44, Jon Schneider wrote:
>> > On 24/05/2021 16:27, Tim Ward wrote:
>> >> Virgin tell me they're not doing usenet any more from 30 June.
>> >>
>> > I gave up on VM and Usenet several years ago.
>> They throttled it into uselessness for a while, but later stopped doing
>> that.
>> --
>> Tim Ward - 07801 703 600
>> www.brettward.co.uk
>
>Hello,
>Why is https://groups.google.com/g/cam.misc not suitable for conversation
>after VM drop Usenet?

For the same reasons that Google Groups isn't suitable for conversation
in any Usenet group.

Mark

[Tim Ward]

On 25/05/2021 19:56, sens...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Hello, Why is https://groups.google.com/g/cam.misc not suitable for
> conversation

It's as bad as trying to use webmail or any other horrible slow clunky
web interface to do something that shouldn't be attempted on the web.

[Theo]

sens...@gmail.com <sens...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> Why is https://groups.google.com/g/cam.misc not suitable for conversation after VM drop Usenet?

Google have an irritating habit of driving spam to a group, and then
removing the group from their service because it's full of their own spam.
That means the group is invisible and all the archives disappear.

Google say the 'group owner' can get it reinstated, but their customer
support don't understand that Usenet groups don't have a 'group owner'.
People have tried to explain this to them and got nowhere.

TL;DR: Google Groups is not fit for purpose.

> I remember Usenet back in 1994 when we downloaded the group chat on a
> 14kb/sec modem, and read and responded offline, but is the content
> different now between Google and the current cam.misc readers? Lyn

GG also doesn't support killfiles, which are the tool that makes many groups
usable.

I assume that everyone who worked on the code has left and it's just left
running there with minimal maintenance.

Theo

[Peter]

sens...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, 25 May 2021 at 18:53:19 UTC+1, Tim Ward wrote:
>> On 25/05/2021 18:44, Jon Schneider wrote:
>>> On 24/05/2021 16:27, Tim Ward wrote:
>>>> Virgin tell me they're not doing usenet any more from 30 June.
>>>>
>>> I gave up on VM and Usenet several years ago.
>> They throttled it into uselessness for a while, but later stopped doing
>> that.
>> --
>> Tim Ward - 07801 703 600
>> www.brettward.co.uk
>
> Hello,
> Why is https://groups.google.com/g/cam.misc not suitable for conversation after VM drop Usenet?

I was going to say, because it's not suitable for anything. But I see
that nine hundred and fifty two other people have beaten me to it.

> I remember Usenet back in 1994 when we downloaded the group chat on a 14kb/sec modem, and read and responded offline, but is the content different now between Google and the current cam.misc readers?
> Lyn
>

[Fevric J. Glandules]

[I'm using eternal-september / XPN - am I the last XPN user in the
world?]

Theo wrote:

> Some of us moved from Facebook to Usenet. The signal/noise is higher here.

Well it's not just that, is it? Advertising, massive data mining,
privacy issues...

FWIW I remember visiting Pipex (IIRC?) in the late 90s and being given
a group tour. When we got to the Usenet servers our guide could not
have been clearer about how much they hated having to run them, that
they made no money, and they were only there under their obligations
as a "Tier 1 ISP".

[MorkMarmite]

"Tim Ward" <t...@brettward.co.uk> wrote in message
news:pBPqI.100645$2a1....@fx05.ams4...

> Virgin tell me they're not doing usenet any more from 30 June.
>

> --
> Tim Ward - 07801 703 600
> www.brettward.co.uk

yeah i got back using outlook express

[Keith Willshaw]

Try news.eternal-september.org

[Paul Bird]

with Thunderbird

[Tim Ward]

On 24/07/2021 15:53, Paul Bird wrote:
>>>
>> Try news.eternal-september.org
>
> with Thunderbird

What I'm now using.

[MorkMarmite]

"Tim Ward" <t...@brettward.co.uk> wrote in message

news:sdhae8$i7a$1...@dont-email.me...

what u am using news.eternal-september.org with correct settings
using outlook express