Devices on lamp-posts
Phil Chung
neighbouring streets. The devices look like cylindrical devices,
mounted vertically on the side of the lamp-post, with a upturned dome
at the bottom end. This device is connected to a box, also on the
lamp-post. An aerial comes out of the box. the aerial's on a long
pole and looks like the ones on some of the electronic displays for
available car parking places around the city.
I always thought they maybe cameras, but these devices are in a quiet
cul-de-sac (Arbury Park end of Histon Road). Anyone know what they
are? I have only noticed them there very recently.
Patrick Gosling
If you look a little lower down the lamp-posts, you'll see a dinky
little sign saying "CCTV".
-patrick.
Phil Chung
> If you look a little lower down the lamp-posts, you'll see a dinky
> little sign saying "CCTV".
What's the point of having so many CCTV cameras on a quiet residential
street?
Duncan Wood
When I lived there there was a mjor issue with young people riding
skateboards and hanging around at all hours of the early evening,
sometimes as late as 9:00PM, perhaps the neighbourhood watch have finally
found a solution?
Tim Ward
news:1c79df27-54f6-40dc...@h25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
Almost certainly, like at least 100:1 on, it's because the local residents
asked for them, and whatever problem they've got was judged to be worse than
the current competing demands.
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Paul Rudin
Why would riding skateboards and "hanging around" be a problem? Would
you rather they were watching telly and playing on their Xboxes?
Duncan Wood
wrote:
Sorry, my sarcasm level obviously wasn't high enough. Apparently leaving
black shiny marks on the kerb is a mjor publi order issue or something.
Mike W Miller
> "Duncan Wood" <bodged...@dmx512.co.uk> writes:
> > On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:58:33 -0000, Phil Chung <pylch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> On 10 Mar, 16:54, j...@eng.cam.ac.uk (Patrick Gosling) wrote:
>
> >>> If you look a little lower down the lamp-posts, you'll see a dinky
> >>> little sign saying "CCTV".
>
> >> What's the point of having so many CCTV cameras on a quiet residential
> >> street?
>
> > When I lived there there was a mjor issue with young people riding
> > skateboards and hanging around at all hours of the early evening,
> > sometimes as late as 9:00PM, perhaps the neighbourhood watch have
> > finally found a solution?
>
> Why would riding skateboards and "hanging around" be a problem?
And how exactly do CCTV cameras 'solve' the 'problem'? If there's a
known problem with illegal things going on, a camera isn't going to
stop them in the way a policeman walking around the area would. If,
however, only legal things are going on, are we all supposed to stop
doing them just because somebody some miles away may be watching us on
a screen?
Fevric J Glandules
> Almost certainly, like at least 100:1 on, it's because the local
> residents asked for them, and whatever problem they've got was judged to
> be worse than the current competing demands.
Why don't we just cut the crap and issue everybody over the age of
two with a GPS-equipped headcam, the whole lot linked to a national
identity databa... hang on, let me think about this some more...
--
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Paul Rudin
> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:09:04 -0000, Paul Rudin
> <paul....@rudin.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> "Duncan Wood" <bodg...@dmx512.co.uk> writes:
>>
>>> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:58:33 -0000, Phil Chung <pylc...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10 Mar, 16:54, j...@eng.cam.ac.uk (Patrick Gosling) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If you look a little lower down the lamp-posts, you'll see a dinky
>>>>> little sign saying "CCTV".
>>>>
>>>> What's the point of having so many CCTV cameras on a quiet residential
>>>> street?
>>>
>>> When I lived there there was a mjor issue with young people riding
>>> skateboards and hanging around at all hours of the early evening,
>>> sometimes as late as 9:00PM, perhaps the neighbourhood watch have
>>> finally found a solution?
>>
>> Why would riding skateboards and "hanging around" be a problem? Would
>> you rather they were watching telly and playing on their Xboxes?
>>
>
>
> Sorry, my sarcasm level obviously wasn't high enough...
Ah, sorry, I'm afraid newsgroup reading does tend to put me in a rather
literal frame of mind.
Phil
> Almost certainly, like at least 100:1 on, it's because the local residents
> asked for them, and whatever problem they've got was judged to be worse than
> the current competing demands.
I'm sure the house with the camera right outside a bedroom would be
most pleased :-)
The only 'problem' around here are a few kids playing with their
football and acting as moving chicanes when I'm driving home from work.
That hardly warrants CCTV cameras.
--
Phil Chung
pylc...@gmail.com
Tim Ward
news:fr3t0t$lk6$1...@news.datemas.de...
> On 2008-03-10 17:08:30 +0000, "Tim Ward" <t...@brettward.co.uk> said:
>
>> Almost certainly, like at least 100:1 on, it's because the local
>> residents
>> asked for them, and whatever problem they've got was judged to be worse
>> than
>> the current competing demands.
>
> I'm sure the house with the camera right outside a bedroom would be most
> pleased :-)
Not a problem, if this is the city CCTV system. Not only does the system
black out the bedroom window, but it records having done so and the duty
operator has to report in writing why he panned across the bedroom window.
> The only 'problem' around here are a few kids playing with their football
> and acting as moving chicanes when I'm driving home from work. That hardly
> warrants CCTV cameras.
At a guess (not actually knowing anything about this particular deployment)
your neighbours don't agree with you.
Duncan Wood
> "Phil" <pylc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:fr3t0t$lk6$1...@news.datemas.de...
>> On 2008-03-10 17:08:30 +0000, "Tim Ward" <t...@brettward.co.uk> said:
>>
>>> Almost certainly, like at least 100:1 on, it's because the local
>>> residents
>>> asked for them, and whatever problem they've got was judged to be worse
>>> than
>>> the current competing demands.
>>
>> I'm sure the house with the camera right outside a bedroom would be most
>> pleased :-)
>
> Not a problem, if this is the city CCTV system. Not only does the system
> black out the bedroom window, but it records having done so and the duty
> operator has to report in writing why he panned across the bedroom
> window.
>
>> The only 'problem' around here are a few kids playing with their
>> football
>> and acting as moving chicanes when I'm driving home from work. That
>> hardly
>> warrants CCTV cameras.
>
> At a guess (not actually knowing anything about this particular
> deployment)
> your neighbours don't agree with you.
>
Presumably his neighbours who complain loudest don't agree with him,
assuming they're representative of his neighbours may well be a fallacy.
It definitely was where I lived.
Alan Braggins
>
>And how exactly do CCTV cameras 'solve' the 'problem'? If there's a
>known problem with illegal things going on, a camera isn't going to
>stop them in the way a policeman walking around the area would.
If there aren't enough policemen to walk around everywhere, they can
choose to walk those places the cameras are showing them problems at
the moment.
That won't stop anyone who knows that the CCTV coverage won't be enough
to identify them and that they will be well clear of the area before
anyone actually turns up after whatever short-lasting thing they've done,
but nor will random patrols.
Chris Forecast
news:1c79df27-54f6-40dc...@h25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> What's the point of having so many CCTV cameras on a quiet
> residential street?
If they're the two I'm thinking of (which went up on Friday) then they're (I
believe) in response to a number of attempted burglaries in recent weeks. I
had a quick chat with the Council guy who was putting them up - and
apparently they're typically left in place for a few weeks.
Chris Forecast
Roland Perry
Mar 2008, Tim Ward <t...@brettward.co.uk> remarked:
>> I'm sure the house with the camera right outside a bedroom would be most
>> pleased :-)
>
>Not a problem, if this is the city CCTV system. Not only does the system
>black out the bedroom window, but it records having done so and the duty
>operator has to report in writing why he panned across the bedroom window.
Only until the policy changes.
--
Roland Perry
Tim Ward
news:XI4UVuZO...@perry.co.uk...
Which would have to be voted for by a majority of councillors, including the
several here, which I personally think would be exceedingly unlikely.
Base reaction
> cul-de-sac (Arbury Park end of Histon Road). Anyone know what they
> are? I have only noticed them there very recently.
Wouldn't be Molewood / Hazelwood Close by any chance? That little area
seems to punch well about its weight in scumbag activities.
Tim Ward
news:0NednY9JjJj9EUja...@bt.com...
That's where I ended up guessing was meant. (For future reference "H&M" is
clearer than "Arbury Park end", as at least that makes it clear which side
of the city boundary is involved.) There are two clear factions there - one
that thinks that feral youths should be discouraged from terrorising little
old ladies by riding their illegal motorbikes down dark pavements at 60mph
with no lights on, and one that thinks that it's nice to have happy little
children playing outside one's window. (Personally my main issue with that
area is the dogs.)
Al Grant
> Which would have to be voted for by a majority of councillors, including the
> several here, which I personally think would be exceedingly unlikely.
Why would a majority have to include the several here?
Are some councillors more equal than others?
Philip Chung
<badte...@loon.fsnet.co.uk> said:
> Wouldn't be Molewood / Hazelwood Close by any chance? That little area
> seems to punch well about its weight in scumbag activities.
No, the other side of Histon Road.
--
Phil Chung
pylc...@gmail.com
Philip Chung
> That's where I ended up guessing was meant. (For future reference "H&M" is
> clearer than "Arbury Park end", as at least that makes it clear which side
> of the city boundary is involved.) There are two clear factions there - one
> that thinks that feral youths should be discouraged from terrorising little
> old ladies by riding their illegal motorbikes down dark pavements at 60mph
> with no lights on, and one that thinks that it's nice to have happy little
> children playing outside one's window. (Personally my main issue with that
> area is the dogs.)
It's the two that has appeared down Martingale Close that I was talking about.
--
Phil Chung
pylc...@gmail.com
tony sayer
<pylc...@gmail.com> scribeth thus
I often wonder if they get the signals back to base seeing that they are
supposed to work on 2.4 Ghz ....
--
Tony Sayer
Roland Perry
>>>Not a problem, if this is the city CCTV system. Not only does the system
>>>black out the bedroom window, but it records having done so and the duty
>>>operator has to report in writing why he panned across the bedroom window.
>>
>> Only until the policy changes.
>
>Which would have to be voted for by a majority of councillors, including the
>several here, which I personally think would be exceedingly unlikely.
Times change, as sometimes does the adherence of officials to "official"
policy.
--
Roland Perry
Chris Forecast
news:fr4iq5$vl8$1...@news.datemas.de...
> It's the two that has appeared down Martingale Close that I was talking
> about.
Try doing a search here:
http://www.cambs.police.uk/myneighbourhood/crimeinfo.asp
for crimes in the area since the beginning of February.
Chris Forecast
Bill
<to...@bancom.co.uk> writes
>I often wonder if they get the signals back to base seeing that they are
>supposed to work on 2.4 Ghz ....
They used to be in the clear Tony but all should now be encrypted.
DPA and all that, some one suddenly realised that some dodgy people were
looking at the links!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
--
Bill
tony sayer
<Bi...@birchnet.demon.co.uk> scribeth thus
It wasn't so much that but with the background level of 2.4 G noise
these days its a wonder it works in all locations!....
--
Tony Sayer
Bill
<to...@bancom.co.uk> writes
>
>It wasn't so much that but with the background level of 2.4 G noise
>these days its a wonder it works in all locations!....
I don't know what it is like your way but here they use anything up to
1m dishes at the RX site! At only a couple of miles.
--
Bill
tony sayer
<Bi...@birchnet.demon.co.uk> scribeth thus
Well these use smallish panel aerials around 4 to 5 inches square and
across Cambridge makes me wonder seeing the amount of wireless access
points now in operation here?.
Unless their using 5.8?..
--
Tony Sayer
Bill
<to...@bancom.co.uk> writes
>Well these use smallish panel aerials around 4 to 5 inches square and
>across Cambridge makes me wonder seeing the amount of wireless access
>points now in operation here?.
>
>Unless their using 5.8?..
Maybe 5.8, I have installed some but there is not a lot available yet.
Does anyone out there have any knowledge?
Most of the ones over here have been up for quite sometime and are
around 2.4
--
Bill
Tim Ward
> about.
In that case I'm slightly surprised that I haven't heard anything. I knew
there was activity in H&M at the moment.
Tim Ward
news:K5QhA7Hu...@bancom.co.uk...
>
> It wasn't so much that but with the background level of 2.4 G noise
> these days its a wonder it works in all locations!....
Extensive surveying was carried out before they were bought.
Roland Perry
>> about.
>
>In that case I'm slightly surprised that I haven't heard anything. I knew
>there was activity in H&M at the moment.
Is it outside H&M that they need to put some cycle racks?
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Roland Perry
tony sayer
<t...@brettward.co.uk> scribeth thus
>"tony sayer" <to...@bancom.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:K5QhA7Hu...@bancom.co.uk...
>>
>> It wasn't so much that but with the background level of 2.4 G noise
>> these days its a wonder it works in all locations!....
>
>Extensive surveying was carried out before they were bought.
>
Yes that was then;!. Theres a link running around 800 metres near the
Queen Anne terrace car park thats regularly borked most days of the week
sheer number of wireless point vying for space;!..
--
Tony Sayer
Paul Oter
> In message <63ngksF28csp...@mid.individual.net>, at 13:43:56 on Tue, 11
If you mean the one in St Andrew's Street then most definitely yes. If
you mean the one in the Grafton Centre then probably not.
PaulO
Sarah Brown
Mike W Miller <mikewill...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>And how exactly do CCTV cameras 'solve' the 'problem'? If there's a
>known problem with illegal things going on, a camera isn't going to
>however, only legal things are going on, are we all supposed to stop
>doing them just because somebody some miles away may be watching us on
>a screen?
We've had these temporary cameras in our street a few times, where we
have a particular problem with groups of kids congregating until the
small hours of the morning and *screaming* their heads off
incessantly, more or less preventing anyone from sleeping. They do
seem to act as a deterrant.
tony sayer
o_uce_please.com> scribeth thus
Perhaps a real policemen would be a better deterrent, one who lived and worked in
the area perhaps?
Nah can't have anything like that.
After all they can't come out to collect some illegal immigrants anymore instead
they give them a train ticket to Croydon and tell them to be on their way..
And they want to spend how much in ID cards??.
Barking.. No other way to describe it;(...
http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/cn%5Fnews%5Fely/DisplayArticle.asp?ID=265481
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Tony Sayer
Tim Ward
> In article <k4sja5-...@narcissus.dyndns.org>, Sarah Brown
> <sarahlizzy@ntlworld.n
> o_uce_please.com> scribeth thus
>>In article
>><42b906c3-2f23-443e...@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
>>Mike W Miller <mikewill...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>And how exactly do CCTV cameras 'solve' the 'problem'? If there's a
>>>known problem with illegal things going on, a camera isn't going to
>>>stop them in the way a policeman walking around the area would. If,
>>>however, only legal things are going on, are we all supposed to stop
>>>doing them just because somebody some miles away may be watching us on
>>>a screen?
>>
>>We've had these temporary cameras in our street a few times, where we
>>have a particular problem with groups of kids congregating until the
>>small hours of the morning and *screaming* their heads off
>>incessantly, more or less preventing anyone from sleeping. They do
>>seem to act as a deterrant.
>
> Perhaps a real policemen would be a better deterrent
CCTV is not really a deterrent. ("Except in car parks" was the established
wisdom, but even this is now being challenged.) What it does do is make
detection and prosecution *lots* easier and cheaper. (And on at least one
occasion it has got someone off a charge they might otherwise have been
convicted of, as the tapes showed that they really were an innocent
bystander on this particular occasion.)
Paul Rudin
> CCTV is not really a deterrent. ("Except in car parks" was the established
> wisdom, but even this is now being challenged.) What it does do is make
> detection and prosecution *lots* easier and cheaper.
You'd have thought that if it really makes detection and prosecution
"lots easier" then it would have some deterrent effect.
Tim Ward
news:87od9k7...@rudin.co.uk...
On the whole, it seems, criminals tend to be stupid.
Sarah Brown
tony sayer <to...@bancom.co.uk> wrote:
>
>Perhaps a real policemen would be a better deterrent, one who lived and
>worked in
>the area perhaps?
They come eventually, when enough residents phone at 3am and complain,
but they just seem to be effective at chasing them off - not stopping
the problem in the first place.
Roland Perry
<a56a7ab2-8751-417b...@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, at
13:33:54 on Tue, 11 Mar 2008, Paul Oter <paul...@googlemail.com>
>> >> It's the two that has appeared down Martingale Close that I was talking
>> >> about.
>>
>> >In that case I'm slightly surprised that I haven't heard anything. I knew
>> >there was activity in H&M at the moment.
>>
>> Is it outside H&M that they need to put some cycle racks?
>
>If you mean the one in St Andrew's Street then most definitely yes.
That's the one.
--
Roland Perry
Duncan Wood
wrote:
Conveniently they seem to have not put them in and are using the space to
store materials for the path in front of Grand Arcade. Rather than putting
bollards in to trip the pedestrians up they've just made the kerb twice
the height of a normal one.
Dan Sheppard
>Almost certainly, like at least 100:1 on, it's because the local residents
>asked for them, and whatever problem they've got was judged to be worse than
>the current competing demands.
If local residents ask for them not to be installed, is that also considered?
What weight is each kind of request given, and why?
[Not just for Tim]
Dan.
Tim Ward
news:y2l*7l...@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk...
> Tim Ward <t...@brettward.co.uk> wrote:
>>Almost certainly, like at least 100:1 on, it's because the local residents
>>asked for them, and whatever problem they've got was judged to be worse
>>than
>>the current competing demands.
>
> If local residents ask for them not to be installed, is that also
> considered?
I expect it would be, but I've not heard of it ever happening.
> What weight is each kind of request given, and why?
There's an officer group who make the decisions and their criteria are on
the web somewhere (if only in some committee minutes) ... bit busy to
search for it just right now.
Dan Sheppard
>There's an officer group who make the decisions and their criteria are on
>the web somewhere (if only in some committee minutes) ... bit busy to
>search for it just right now.
No problem: I do worry that we grill all you councillors too much. But
you have actual facts, :).
Dan.
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> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:58:33 -0000, Phil Chung <pylc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 10 Mar, 16:54, j...@eng.cam.ac.uk (Patrick Gosling) wrote:
> >
> >> If you look a little lower down the lamp-posts, you'll see a dinky
> >> little sign saying "CCTV".
> >
> > What's the point of having so many CCTV cameras on a quiet residential
> > street?
>
> When I lived there there was a mjor issue with young people riding
> skateboards and hanging around at all hours of the early evening,
> sometimes as late as 9:00PM, perhaps the neighbourhood watch have finally
> found a solution?
A major issue with Skateboards OMG... and hanging around at all hours?! "as late as 9PM” you say? OMG well that is terrible, sounds like they had it coming to them! Perhaps you were the neighbourhood Snitchwatch by the sounds of it Duncan Wood! Perhaps you were the solution finder!!! Yep Guilty as charged!!!
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> On YouTube are saying this are device to activate 5G
>
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