Inhabited vehicles in residents' parking spaces
Cris Galletly
in a reserved residents' parking space just round the corner from us. They
have a permit (I think they are probably doing work on one of the many
properties in the area that's being renovated, judging by the hard hats and
toolboxes in the cab, so I assume that's where the permit's come from). The
problem is that the vehicle is there 24/7, with the workers clearly living
in it, and running a wood-burning stove (burning some wood giving off
extremely noxious fumes) for most of the evening (till now, at least) and
starting early in the morning. It's causing increased breathing problems to
all of us in the house (it's noticeable in the living room with all doors and
windows shut).
Am I right in thinking that
a) residents' parking spaces aren't meant to be used as dwelling abodes; and
b) this bit of Arbury is a smoke-free zone (I'd be interested in knowing what
they're burning as it smells pretty nastily chemical ...)
?
And, in any case, what should we do (other than go to my doctor and ask for
an inhaler, which would probably expedite a solution more easily than any
other course of action ...)?
--
+ Cris Galletly <gall...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> +
The Natural Philosopher
Oh go on, pour a pint of petrol down its stove flue. You know you want to.
I bet you voted for 'affordable housing;' too. Juts not round the corner
from you..
Duncan Wood
Cris Galletly
The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>Oh go on, pour a pint of petrol down its stove flue. You know you want to.
No, I just want it moved before my pre-asthmatic condition turns into
*actual* asthma. (But I've probably had actual asthma for years and
been denying it just like my dad did).
>I bet you voted for 'affordable housing;' too. Juts not round the corner
>from you..
Affordable housing != poorly-maintained camper vans. In residents' parking
spaces.
(Tangentially I'm slightly amused that you think I'm a NIMBY. Well, maybe
in 5 years or so I might be).
Guardian readers are scum
>> problems to
>> all of us in the house (it's noticeable in the living room with all
>> doors and
>> windows shut).
>>
>> Am I right in thinking that
>> a) residents' parking spaces aren't meant to be used as dwelling abodes;
How appalling for one to have to put up with this sort of thing. We're good
enough to tolerate these horrid little people living in their nasty little
camping van thingy in November and now we're expected to stand by doing
nothing while they try to provide themselves with heat. Tell me at once -
which authority must I call in order to have them removed. Surely one of the
hostel places would be more appropriate. Ghastly little men.
Guardian readers are scum
>>> a) residents' parking spaces aren't meant to be used as dwelling abodes;
>
> How appalling for one to have to put up with this sort of thing. We're
> good enough to tolerate these horrid little people living in their nasty
> little camping van thingy in November and now we're expected to stand by
> doing nothing while they try to provide themselves with heat. Tell me at
> once - which authority must I call in order to have them removed. Surely
> one of the hostel places would be more appropriate. Ghastly little men.
And don't expect any more pearls of wisdom from ME in the next three hours -
I have to go to Church now. Please have the smelly people removed by the
time I return.
Paul Bird
>
> Oh go on, pour a pint of petrol down its stove flue. You know you want to.
>
> I bet you voted for 'affordable housing;' too. Juts not round the corner
> from you..
Be fair, they've got ECHG hostel around the corner, I think tolerating one
social project in a given area is enough don't you?
--
Paul Bird
rosen...@cix.compulink.co.uk
gall...@chiark.greenend.org.uk (Cris Galletly) wrote:
> For the last 6 days there has been a somewhat run-down camper van parked
> in a reserved residents' parking space just round the corner from us.
> They have a permit (I think they are probably doing work on one of the
> many properties in the area that's being renovated, judging by the hard
> hats andtoolboxes in the cab, so I assume that's where the permit's
> come from). The problem is that the vehicle is there 24/7, with the
> workers clearly living in it, and running a wood-burning stove (burning
> some wood giving off extremely noxious fumes) for most of the evening
> (till now, at least) and starting early in the morning. It's causing
> increased breathing problems to all of us in the house (it's noticeable
> in the living room with all doors and windows shut).
>
> Am I right in thinking that
> a) residents' parking spaces aren't meant to be used as dwelling
> abodes; and
> b) this bit of Arbury is a smoke-free zone (I'd be interested in knowing
> what they're burning as it smells pretty nastily chemical ...)
>
> ?
>
> And, in any case, what should we do (other than go to my doctor and ask
> for an inhaler, which would probably expedite a solution more easily
> than any other course of action ...)?
Have you contacted the City Council parking enforcement people? They will
want details you've not given here (exact location, registration number
and possibly permit number).
--
Colin Rosenstiel
RobertL
wrote:
> For the last 6 days there has been a somewhat run-down camper van parked
> in a reserved residents' parking space just round the corner from us. They
> have a permit (I think they are probably doing work on one of the many
> properties in the area that's being renovated, judging by the hard hats and
> toolboxes in the cab, so I assume that's where the permit's come from). The
> problem is that the vehicle is there 24/7, with the workers clearly living
> in it, and running a wood-burning stove (burning some wood giving off
> extremely noxious fumes) for most of the evening (till now, at least) and
> starting early in the morning. It's causing increased breathing problems to
> all of us in the house (it's noticeable in the living room with all doors and
> windows shut).
>
> Am I right in thinking that
> a) residents' parking spaces aren't meant to be used as dwelling abodes; and
> b) this bit of Arbury is a smoke-free zone (I'd be interested in knowing what
> they're burning as it smells pretty nastily chemical ...)
If it's really an urgent matter of health then why not make them a
present of some bags of coalite smokeless coal and explain th eproblem
and ask them not to burn wood.
the "smokeless" zone rules apply to houses IIRC, not to boats, for
examplee and I guess not to vans either.
Robert
Cris Galletly
<rosen...@cix.compulink.co.uk> wrote:
>Have you contacted the City Council parking enforcement people? They will
>want details you've not given here (exact location, registration number
>and possibly permit number).
Thanks. That's the information I wanted (and obviously I wasn't going to
post the details here just in case they weren't doing anything wrong,
although any councillor could guess the exact location to within a few
metres, I'd guess!)
Rupert Moss-Eccardt
Actually we have quite a variety of hostels and other, similar, housing
around the area. This made the closure of the two nearby Post Offices
particularly wrong.
Tim Ward
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Oh sorry, I thought you were just grumbling - if you actually wanted urgent
action from your ward councillor an email would have got a quicker response
on this particular occasion (I'm supposed to be working atm) :-)
In general we can't stop people sleeping in vehicles in residential
streets - we get this with lorry drivers sleeping in the cab from time to
time, and no legal way of preventing it has been discovered. There may or
may not be specific conditions attached to residents parking permits which
forbid sleeping in the vehicles, although it's entirely likely that nobody
thought to add that. Plus there's the environmental health route to deal
with the smoke as already advised by someone else.
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Tim Ward - posting as an individual unless otherwise clear
Brett Ward Limited - www.brettward.co.uk
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Cambridge City Councillor
Paul Bird
concept of socially useful provision of anything that smacks of communal,
civic, municipal or public died in 1979 and the P.O network was the last
untouched nationwide facility whose tentacles were crying out to be clipped.
If the Tories get in next year do you think the situation will improve? I
think not :-( If Labour get in do you think the situation will improve? I
think not :-( We're doomed ... and it's bloody raining.
--
Paul Bird
Cris Galletly
Rupert Moss-Eccardt <r.moss-...@computer.org> wrote:
>Actually we have quite a variety of hostels and other, similar, housing
>around the area. This made the closure of the two nearby Post Offices
>particularly wrong.
Not to mention the closure of Wessex Place :-( AAMOI, what happened to
all the elderly vulnerable residents from there?
Cris Galletly
Tim Ward <t...@brettward.co.uk> wrote:
>"Cris Galletly" <gall...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote in message
>news:tib*JT...@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk...
>> In article <NrCdndv6fPUp9pvW...@giganews.com>,
>> <rosen...@cix.compulink.co.uk> wrote:
>>>Have you contacted the City Council parking enforcement people? They will
>>>want details you've not given here (exact location, registration number
>>>and possibly permit number).
>>
>> Thanks. That's the information I wanted (and obviously I wasn't going to
>> post the details here just in case they weren't doing anything wrong,
>> although any councillor could guess the exact location to within a few
>> metres, I'd guess!)
>
>Oh sorry, I thought you were just grumbling - if you actually wanted urgent
>action from your ward councillor an email would have got a quicker response
>on this particular occasion (I'm supposed to be working atm) :-)
Ah, I guessed wrong. I thought cam.misc might be more effective at that
time of night ;-) (seriously, we discussed whether mailing you or posting
to cam.misc was more likely to elicit a quick answer ...)
>In general we can't stop people sleeping in vehicles in residential
>streets - we get this with lorry drivers sleeping in the cab from time to
>time, and no legal way of preventing it has been discovered. There may or
>may not be specific conditions attached to residents parking permits which
>forbid sleeping in the vehicles, although it's entirely likely that nobody
>thought to add that. Plus there's the environmental health route to deal
>with the smoke as already advised by someone else.
We wouldn't be complaining (as much) if the vehicle was parked in different
permit-controlled spaces in the area every night. It's just that it's been
there for a week now, which seems a tad unreasonable.
I think environmental health is the way to go, as it's just adding yet more
pollution into an already dust-heavy area.
Tim Ward
> In article <IivNm.4324$xt1...@newsfe14.ams2>,
> Rupert Moss-Eccardt <r.moss-...@computer.org> wrote:
>>Actually we have quite a variety of hostels and other, similar, housing
>>around the area. This made the closure of the two nearby Post Offices
>>particularly wrong.
>
> Not to mention the closure of Wessex Place :-( AAMOI, what happened to
> all the elderly vulnerable residents from there?
We had the usual stuff about them all being moved to extremely suitable
places after extensive consultation.
Al Grant
> Plus there's the environmental health route to deal
> with the smoke as already advised by someone else.
Does that work for house boats? They seem to be able to
get away with discharging all sorts of fumes from stoves and
generators.
The Natural Philosopher
> In article <he4m59$bnr$1...@news.albasani.net>,
> The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> Oh go on, pour a pint of petrol down its stove flue. You know you want to.
>
> No, I just want it moved before my pre-asthmatic condition turns into
> *actual* asthma. (But I've probably had actual asthma for years and
> been denying it just like my dad did).
>
Probably DR No is pumping out invisible rays to kill people.
>> I bet you voted for 'affordable housing;' too. Juts not round the corner
>>from you..
>
> Affordable housing != poorly-maintained camper vans. In residents' parking
> spaces.
>
Yes it does. Its housing and its affordable. That's why travellers do it.
Ben Harris
>streets - we get this with lorry drivers sleeping in the cab from time to
>time, and no legal way of preventing it has been discovered. There may or
>may not be specific conditions attached to residents parking permits which
>forbid sleeping in the vehicles, although it's entirely likely that nobody
>thought to add that.
The current parking TRO[1] doesn't have many restrictions on the use of
vehicles in the space, at least assuming the use of a Resident Parking
Permit and not a Visitor Parking Permit. The only potentially-relevant
one is a prohibiton against using a vehicle "in connection with the sale
of Goods or services to any person in or near that Parking Place", but
that's not really relevant because the even if services are being sold,
it's probably not to someone nearby.
[1] The City of Cambridge (Civil Enforcement Area) (Waiting Restrictions
and Street Parking Places) Order 2008 (Amendment No. 05) Order 2008
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Ben Harris
rosen...@cix.compulink.co.uk
Harris) wrote:
A motor home could well be too large a vehicle to be eligible for a
Residents' Permit.
--
Colin Rosenstiel
Ben Harris
<rosen...@cix.compulink.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <he64qg$urd$1...@smaug.linux.pwf.cam.ac.uk>, bj...@cam.ac.uk (Ben
>Harris) wrote:
>> The current parking TRO[1] doesn't have many restrictions on the
>> use of vehicles in the space, at least assuming the use of a
>> Resident Parking Permit and not a Visitor Parking Permit. The only
>> potentially-relevant one is a prohibiton against using a vehicle
>> "in connection with the sale of Goods or services to any person in
>> or near that Parking Place", but that's not really relevant because
>> the even if services are being sold, it's probably not to someone
>> nearby.
>
>Residents' Permit.
Ah, yes, I'd not noticed that the TRO says that the Council "may issue"
a permit (and hence may decline to issue one), and that the permit may
apparently have terms additional to those in the TRO.
--
Ben Harris
Cwatters
"The Natural Philosopher" <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:he63ss$e0i$1...@news.albasani.net...
> Cris Galletly wrote:
>> In article <he4m59$bnr$1...@news.albasani.net>,
>> The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> Oh go on, pour a pint of petrol down its stove flue. You know you want
>>> to.
>>
>> No, I just want it moved before my pre-asthmatic condition turns into
>> *actual* asthma. (But I've probably had actual asthma for years and
>> been denying it just like my dad did).
>>
> Dont worry. Everyone has it now. Figures rising. I've had it for years.
> Probably DR No is pumping out invisible rays to kill people.
>
>>> I bet you voted for 'affordable housing;' too. Juts not round the corner
>>> from you..
>>
>> Affordable housing != poorly-maintained camper vans. In residents'
>> parking
>> spaces.
>>
>
> Yes it does. Its housing and its affordable. That's why travellers do it.
>
We have a better class of travellers up here in Hunts... They buy their
sites, build houses and roads, even and run their own street lights.