Spendlove no longer on in the afternoons
Paul Oldham
I know I'm not the only sad git who listens to BBC Radio Cambridgeshire.
Those who do will be heartbroken to hear that Richard Spendlove says he's
going to stop doing the afternoon show.
(irony: not an adjective meaning "made out of iron")
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Colin Rosenstiel
(Paul Oldham) wrote:
> I know I'm not the only sad git who listens to BBC Radio
> Cambridgeshire.
There can't be many, though. :-)
Colin Rosenstiel
Paul Oldham
rosen...@cix.co.uk (Colin Rosenstiel) growled:
I don't know about that. I know they're almost all over 50, which is
probably why I find him so awful but his listeners, those that phone in
anyway, seem to love him.
Brian Watson
Colin Rosenstiel <rosen...@cix.co.uk> wrote in message
news:memo.19991103...@rosenstiel.cix.co.uk...
> In article <memo.1999110...@books.the-hug.org>, pa...@the-hug.org
> (Paul Oldham) wrote:
>
> > I know I'm not the only sad git who listens to BBC Radio
> > Cambridgeshire.
>
> There can't be many, though. :-)
I believe his (Richard Spendlove's) Saturday night program had the largest
number of listeners of *any* UK radio program when it included Beds, Bucks,
Essex, Herts, Kent, Norfolk, Northampton, Suffolk, Surrey, Sussex (I may
have missed some) as well as Cambridgeshire in its coverage.
There are many more listeners, across a wider age range, to daytime radio.
I wonder if the BBC are re-hiring Steve Somers for the afternoon slot?
Let us pray it is not Mandy Er Morton. A very nice person, but...
--
Brian
E. Spires
outperforms all other presenters on BBC Cambridgeshire/Norfolk by a
very considerable margin. His audience is also very loyal &
unwavering. ISTR that Wing Commander Scuse is/was his nearest rival.
It must be a salutary lesson for the 50 or so well educated & PC
broadcast professionals who work for BBC Radio Cambridgeshire that
without Mr Spendlove the regular audience for their station would be
virtually zero.
It's also worth knowing that 80% of regular listeners to Radio
Cambridgeshire are aged 60 or over. Radio Norfolk does rather better
in attracting a younger audience.
Eric
pa...@the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) wrote:
>
>I know I'm not the only sad git who listens to BBC Radio Cambridgeshire.
>Those who do will be heartbroken to hear that Richard Spendlove says he's
>going to stop doing the afternoon show.
>
>
>(irony: not an adjective meaning "made out of iron")
>
Paul Oldham
br...@spheroid.demon.co.uk (Brian Watson) growled:
>
> Colin Rosenstiel <rosen...@cix.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:memo.19991103...@rosenstiel.cix.co.uk...
> > In article <memo.1999110...@books.the-hug.org>,
> > pa...@the-hug.org
> > (Paul Oldham) wrote:
> >
> > > I know I'm not the only sad git who listens to BBC Radio
> > > Cambridgeshire.
> >
> > There can't be many, though. :-)
>
> I believe his (Richard Spendlove's) Saturday night program had the largest
> number of listeners of *any* UK radio program [...]
He's carrying on doing that one BTW.
Paul Oldham
[Eric's quoting fixed]
In article <381ff713...@news.demon.co.uk>, dx...@cityscape.seespam.co.uk
(E. Spires) growled:
> pa...@the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) wrote:
>
> >I know I'm not the only sad git who listens to BBC Radio Cambridgeshire.
> >Those who do will be heartbroken to hear that Richard Spendlove says
> >he's going to stop doing the afternoon show.
>
> According to tho RAJAR, Radio Audience Research, figures Mr. Spendlove
> outperforms all other presenters on BBC Cambridgeshire/Norfolk by a
> very considerable margin. His audience is also very loyal &
> unwavering. ISTR that Wing Commander Scuse is/was his nearest rival.
>
> It must be a salutary lesson for the 50 or so well educated & PC
> broadcast professionals who work for BBC Radio Cambridgeshire that
> without Mr Spendlove the regular audience for their station would be
> virtually zero.
Absolutely. He's a reactionary old git and they love him. He really does
have the knack of talking to that generation, but I find him slimy, shallow,
insincere and repetitive.
It's interesting that the new(ish) morning show presenter Ronnie Barber(sp?)
got a lot of flak early on, I suspect because he's younger and doesn't
appeal to those same over 50s. I, on the other hand, find him infinitely
preferable.
> It's also worth knowing that 80% of regular listeners to Radio
> Cambridgeshire are aged 60 or over. Radio Norfolk does rather better
> in attracting a younger audience.
80% over 60!? Bloody 'ell I knew it was bad but never realised it was that
bad. It's good that they've got a radio station they feel is their own but
it must be a worry for programme controllers to have an audience who have a
nasty habit of dying rather than switching to another station. Difficult
audience to win back ;-)
Jon
: 80% over 60!? Bloody 'ell I knew it was bad but never realised it was that
: it must be a worry for programme controllers to have an audience who have a
: nasty habit of dying rather than switching to another station. Difficult
: audience to win back ;-)
"You're listening to God FM..."
It has to be the music they play. :-)
Jon
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Tony Sayer
Rosenstiel <rosen...@cix.co.uk> writes
>In article <memo.1999110...@books.the-hug.org>, pa...@the-hug.org
>
>> I know I'm not the only sad git who listens to BBC Radio
>> Cambridgeshire.
>
>
Its used to be said that R. Ambridgeshire was for the brain dead
and
Q.Basic radio was for the brain damaged..
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Brian Watson
E. Spires <dx...@cityscape.seespam.co.uk> wrote in message
news:381ff713...@news.demon.co.uk...
> According to tho RAJAR, Radio Audience Research, figures Mr. Spendlove
> outperforms all other presenters on BBC Cambridgeshire/Norfolk by a
> very considerable margin. His audience is also very loyal &
> unwavering. ISTR that Wing Commander Scuse is/was his nearest rival.
>
> It must be a salutary lesson for the 50 or so well educated & PC
> broadcast professionals who work for BBC Radio Cambridgeshire that
> without Mr Spendlove the regular audience for their station would be
> virtually zero.
>
> Cambridgeshire are aged 60 or over. Radio Norfolk does rather better
> in attracting a younger audience.
I'd guess this, while true, tells nothing like the whole story.
During the day, say from about 8-8ish, I'd assume that Radio Cambs has
predominantly a fairly small (in local area terms) audience mainly
comprising "40 and overs" but with a fairly balanced spread of numbers of
people across the age range.
The later it gets, the more elderly (that's *anyone* towards the top end of
the age range) there are to swell the listening numbers and significantly
load the statistics because (a) they're too paranoid to go out in the
evenings, and (b) they don't get off to sleep at the same time as us
youngsters<g> because they are lying awake listening for the rustle of the
Grim Reaper at the window.
To those in such a state of heightened alertness, Radios 1-5 do not offer
sufficiently mellow broadcasting.
Skues and Spenders offer a metaphorical hand to hold to the old and lonely,
and hence the success of their idiosyncratic styles of broadcasting in
pulling a huge elderly audience.
As previously asked, do we have a name announced yet to take over the
afternoon show?
--
Brian
Brian Watson
E. Spires <dx...@cityscape.seespam.co.uk> wrote in message
news:381ff713...@news.demon.co.uk...
> According to tho RAJAR, Radio Audience Research, figures Mr. Spendlove
> outperforms all other presenters on BBC Cambridgeshire/Norfolk by a
> very considerable margin. His audience is also very loyal &
> unwavering. ISTR that Wing Commander Scuse is/was his nearest rival.
What is it about Keith Skues(sp?) that, even in his late 50s (I presume), he
is dragged back into the RAF every time "Johnny Foreigner" rattles a sabre?
Falklands, Gulf War, Bosnia etc... He was missing from the radio for weeks
on end.
Some might say "blessed relief", but I think we should be told!
--
Brian
Brian Watson
news:memo.1999110...@books.the-hug.org...
> > It must be a salutary lesson for the 50 or so well educated & PC
> > broadcast professionals who work for BBC Radio Cambridgeshire that
> > without Mr Spendlove the regular audience for their station would be
> > virtually zero.
>
> have the knack of talking to that generation, but I find him slimy,
shallow,
> insincere and repetitive.
He's actually a very genuine and nice bloke. His values are those of a few
years ago, but they are sincerely held and he is very careful to use the
high esteem in which he's held by his "fan club" reponsibly.
The "repetitious" thing is unavoidable in broadcasting and patterns of
speech *particularly* irritate after a while.
Any show has a format, albeit loose, and there is only so much creativity
that can be brought to such a straitjacket. The trick is to try to stretch
the envelope as much as possible and hope to get it right enough of the
time.
--
Brian
Paul Oldham
br...@spheroid.demon.co.uk (Brian Watson) growled:
> As previously asked, do we have a name announced yet to take over the
> afternoon show [from Spendlove]?
No. I got the impression when he mentioned it that it was his decision
(basically he's decided that six days a week is too much at his age and
he wants to become semi-retired) and he'd only just sprung it on them. I
imagine they're looking around for replacements now. There's nothing about
it on their web site yet.
Chris Stokes
"Brian Watson" <br...@spheroid.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> The later it gets, the more elderly (that's *anyone* towards the top
> end of the age range) there are to swell the listening numbers and
> significantly load the statistics because (a) they're too paranoid to
> go out in the evenings, and (b) they don't get off to sleep at the
> same time as us youngsters<g> because they are lying awake listening
> for the rustle of the Grim Reaper at the window.
>
> To those in such a state of heightened alertness, Radios 1-5 do not
> offer sufficiently mellow broadcasting.
Why is it that the elderly are the last minority that can be ridiculed
without fear of a politically correct backlash? And why is it that the
ridicule is most acute when it comes from those nearest to elderliness
themselves? Weird.
Anyhow, whether or not you fear the rustle of the Grim Reaper at your
window tonight, tune in to Radio 3 for an evening of Glenn Gould. You
won't be able to put it down (or turn it off) between 7 p.m. and 3 a.m.
And if you're young at heart, console yourself that yon mon -
hypochondriacal, reclusive nutter who liked to hum good and loud over
his piano on his recordings - didn't make it past 50 (and wouldn't
perform in public after he'd seen his twenties out).
--
Chris
A language is a dialect that has an army and a navy. (Max Weinreich)
Simon Morris
>
> In article <941697687.11618.1...@news.demon.co.uk>,
> "Brian Watson" <br...@spheroid.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > The later it gets, the more elderly (that's *anyone* towards the top
> > end of the age range) there are to swell the listening numbers and
> > significantly load the statistics because (a) they're too paranoid to
> > go out in the evenings, and (b) they don't get off to sleep at the
> > same time as us youngsters<g> because they are lying awake listening
> > for the rustle of the Grim Reaper at the window.
> >
> > To those in such a state of heightened alertness, Radios 1-5 do not
> > offer sufficiently mellow broadcasting.
>
> Why is it that the elderly are the last minority that can be ridiculed
> without fear of a politically correct backlash?
s/the elderly/men/
S.
E. Spires
social grouping despite a small, but growing, recent influx of C1/B
social grades.
Mr Spendlove, a former local Railwayman, has his roots firmly in the
social class of the audience. He has four other decisive attributes:
local accent, local knowledge, local address & locally known.
He is a very skilled broadcaster and knows precisely when and how to
press these 'local' buttons.
I was in Lancashire recently, and BBC local radio provided some
unwitting amusement as the 'educated Southern' accented presenter
struggled to pronounce local place names like Oswaldtwistle.
Radio Cambridgeshire has recently put up a gent with a Scottish
accent, name unknown, as a local broadcaster. His lack of local
credibility will do little to win an audience.
Eric
pa...@the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) wrote:
> snip ...
>Absolutely. He's a reactionary old git and they love him. He really does
>have the knack of talking to that generation ...
> ...snip
Paul Oldham
dx...@cityscape.seespam.co.uk (E. Spires) growled:
> Radio Cambridgeshire has recently put up a gent with a Scottish
> accent, name unknown, as a local broadcaster. His lack of local
> credibility will do little to win an audience.
That's Ronnie Barbour, ex RAF and various local radio stations. I think he's
good value, but then I'm under 40. When he first arrived he got a lot of
grief in the local press from those who didn't like his style but he seemed
like a breath of fresh air to me after Spendlove (and Mandy Morton come to
that, who may be young in body but comes over a lot older in mind).
PS: please sort out your quoting. Ta.
--
Chris Stokes
dx...@cityscape.seespam.co.uk (E. Spires) wrote:
> Radio Cambridgeshire has recently put up a gent with a Scottish
> accent, name unknown, as a local broadcaster. His lack of local
> credibility will do little to win an audience.
You need to rephrase that, I reckon. How's the following?
: Radio Cambridgeshire has recently put up a gent with a Scottish accent,
: name unknown, as a local broadcaster. The small-minded xenophobia of
: local-radio listeners in the region (who will no doubt complain they
: can't understand a word he says) will do little to win him an
: audience.
Don't know why there's such a fashion for sending kids on exchange
visits to all points European, when sending southern kids further north
than say Birmingham for a week would work wonders for the south's
understanding of accents that differ a bit from Trevor
MacbleedinDonald's. Well it'd be less disruptive than another Viking
invasion.
Brian Watson
news:1999110409...@unixa.lancs.ac.uk...
They are not. Men are.
> And why is it that the
> ridicule is most acute when it comes from those nearest to elderliness
> themselves? Weird.
Not at all.
It's called "having a sense of humour unhindered by someone else's sense of
what is or is not politically correct".
Of course I am sensitive to how a posting will be received by its readers,
but that does not mean that some topics should be put into a section marked
"not suitable for humour. Ever."
Humour *always* relies on a misfortune of some sort, or marking a sense of
"wrongness" when compared with what is accepted as "right".
You may not like the way I posted about the situation of the elderly, but do
you think it does describe a large number of people in that agegroup?
--
Brian
Brian Watson
> The Cambridgeshire audience remains predominantly a C2/D/E/rural
> social grouping despite a small, but growing, recent influx of C1/B
> social grades.
>
> Mr Spendlove, a former local Railwayman, has his roots firmly in the
<snip spot-on assessment of Richard Spendlove's appeal>
> Radio Cambridgeshire has recently put up a gent with a Scottish
> accent, name unknown, as a local broadcaster. His lack of local
> credibility will do little to win an audience.
Ronnie Barbour. He's been on Radio Cambs before and is, apparently, loyally
listened to by quite a large audience (in Radio Cambs terms).
--
Brian
Mark Carroll
Brian Watson <mi...@spheroid.demon.co.uk> wrote:
(snip)
>It's called "having a sense of humour unhindered by someone else's sense of
>what is or is not politically correct".
Quite. I was somewhat amused. (-: The only commenty thought that came
to my mind when I first read it was surprise that the Grim Reaper
would rustle - I thought he'd be quite silent.
-- Mark
Robert
<br...@spheroid.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Humour *always* relies on a misfortune of some sort, or marking a sense of
>"wrongness" when compared with what is accepted as "right".
>
>You may not like the way I posted about the situation of the elderly, but do
>you think it does describe a large number of people in that agegroup?
No. Elderly people don't sit waiting for the Grim Reaper, nor are they
intrinsically unfortunate or wrong (though individual ones might be,
just as you might be, at your age). They are just people who are older
than you are, and as old as you one day will be, assuming the Grim
Reaper doesn't get you earlier. Many elderly people are probably
leading fuller (and possibly more useful) lives than you are. The sort
that sit at home listening to people like Richard Spendlove probably
did it when they were younger, too. Just as millions of current
younger people sit wasting their time watching soaps. Jokes based on
age per se are ageist, and not funny at all.
Robert
Chris Stokes
"Brian Watson" <br...@spheroid.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Chris Stokes <c.st...@lancaster.ac.uk> wrote in message
> > Why is it that the elderly are the last minority that can be
> > ridiculed without fear of a politically correct backlash?
>
> They are not. Men are.
>
> > And why is it that the
> > ridicule is most acute when it comes from those nearest to
> > elderliness themselves? Weird.
>
> Not at all.
>
> It's called "having a sense of humour unhindered by someone else's
> sense of what is or is not politically correct".
>
> Of course I am sensitive to how a posting will be received by its readers,
> [etc.]
I didn't intend a castigatory tone. I really would be interested to hear
suggestions for why it's still so easy to get away with jokes and
stereotypes made at the expense of old people. The relative lack of
power and wealth of old people are obvious factors, but I'm not
satisfied that they alone explain the persistence.
E. Spires
>Ronnie Barbour...listened to by quite a large audience (in Radio Cambs terms).
Presumably this means one or two more than just the usual solitary
Station Controller.
Do we yet have any Rajar figures for Mr. Barbour?
I seem to recall that, awhile back, a few English speaking foreign
visitors & contract scientists living in Cambridge listed Radio
Cambridgeshire as their favourite radio station, well above Q103, BBC
WorldService, Radio4, Radio3, et al.
Wonder how these visitors get on with a Scottish accent?
I've got nothing against the Scots by the way. I'm from the borders
meself.
Eric
E. Spires
>That's Ronnie Barbour, ex RAF and various local radio stations. I think he's
>good value, but then I'm under 40. When he first arrived he got a lot of
>grief in the local press from those who didn't like his style but he seemed
>like a breath of fresh air to me after Spendlove (and Mandy Morton come to
>that, who may be young in body but comes over a lot older in mind).
Under 40!!!. You're no where near old enough to listen to Radio
Cambridgeshire. Get over to VibeFM, Q103, Cambridge Red & Excel where
you're supposed to be!
BBC Radio Cambridgeshire has cleared this special demographic air
space for young listeners to play with the mighty moguls of commerce.
How do you know about the condition of Ms. Morton's body, anyway?
>PS: please sort out your quoting. Ta.
See you're using something posh called Microsoft Outlook Explorer5.
I'm still stuck with my ancient c1995 freebie FreeAgent, alas no
longer supported.
But I'll do my very best.
Eric
Ian Collier
>See you're using something posh called Microsoft Outlook Explorer5.
No he isn't - and believe me, using Microsoft Outlook Express does not help
anyone to sort out their quoting.
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E. Spires
<snip>
>power and wealth of old people are obvious factors
</snip>
Indeed. And it's often overlooked that the vast majority of old people
are women.
They are often widows deprived of adequate pensions due to men too
humbly submitting themselves to the beckon of the Reaper.
Perhaps if more men bravely resisted the grim call Mr. Spendlove could
be replaced by Dolly Parton, who is, I think, about his age.
Eric
Yoble
>
> I didn't intend a castigatory tone. I really would be interested to hear
> suggestions for why it's still so easy to get away with jokes and
> stereotypes made at the expense of old people. The relative lack of
> power and wealth of old people are obvious factors, but I'm not
> satisfied that they alone explain the persistence.
Fear? This sort of 'humour' is a distancing thing. Reassurance.
'See, I'm laughing. It can't happen to ME.'
yoble
E. Spires
>E. Spires entertained cam.misc with the following story:
>>pa...@the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) wrote:
>>>PS: please sort out your quoting. Ta.
>
>>See you're using something posh called Microsoft Outlook Explorer5.
>
>No he isn't - and believe me, using Microsoft Outlook Express does not help
>anyone to sort out their quoting.
My mistake. Apologies all round.
So many epic software tomes bear that illustrious brand name it's
enough to dazzle a simple appreciation.
Eric
Brian Watson
>
> Perhaps if more men bravely resisted the grim call Mr. Spendlove could
> be replaced by Dolly Parton, who is, I think, about his age.
He has just become 60.
That is but one of her statistics.
:-)
--
Brian
Brian Watson
news:38231B2F...@clara.co.uk...
> Chris Stokes wrote:
>
> >
> > I didn't intend a castigatory tone. I really would be interested to hear
> > suggestions for why it's still so easy to get away with jokes and
> > stereotypes made at the expense of old people. The relative lack of
> > power and wealth of old people are obvious factors, but I'm not
> > satisfied that they alone explain the persistence.
>
target. There are plenty of people, both within the age group and out of it,
who are prepared to speak out against what they feel is belittling or
otherwise offensive to them.
There are already some recognised groups in society who have legal
protection from serious abuse and I don't have a problem with that but I do
think that *anything* should be open to being the "victim" of humour if the
result is positive, in terms of facing our anxieties and dealing with them
positively.
The trouble with the "politically correct" thing is that it can stifle
dealing with difficult issues reasonably using the same social mechanisms
that we use to deal with less controversial matters.
>
> Fear? This sort of 'humour' is a distancing thing. Reassurance.
> 'See, I'm laughing. It can't happen to ME.'
That is the foundation and purpose of humour. Even silly little things like
puns are ways of facing and dealing with uncertainty - that "one thing"
could so easily be "another thing".
Of course other aspects, such as the enjoyment of the sensation of laughing,
come into it. But humour is what makes the bad bearable.
The best jokes are just the *right* side of malice, but not everyone's sense
of what is acceptable is the same, which means that in any audience there is
a high likelihood that some people will be offended.
Unfortunately, talking about humour removes most of its joy.
:-\
--
Brian
Andrew Nightingale
by people past the usually indicated retirement age.
Some elderly have neither money nor power. Others have both by the
bucketload.
Ageism differs from other stereotyping in that we will all become aged,
unless we choose or suffer the less satisfactory (IMHO) alternative.
--
Andrew Nightingale (UK)
Jonathan Larmour
Brian Watson <mi...@spheroid.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>The trouble with the "politically correct" thing is that it can stifle
>dealing with difficult issues reasonably using the same social mechanisms
>that we use to deal with less controversial matters.
You don't understand. In the modern world that's what therapy and
counselling are for.
Jifl
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Paul Oldham
(E. Spires) growled:
> pa...@the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) wrote:
>
> >That's Ronnie Barbour, ex RAF and various local radio stations. I think
> >he's good value, but then I'm under 40. [...]
>
> Under 40!!!. You're no where near old enough to listen to Radio
> Cambridgeshire. Get over to VibeFM, Q103, Cambridge Red & Excel where
> you're supposed to be!
Q103 (and all other stations in that chain B97 etc) are as crap as a crap
thing, horrible; Vibe's OK as is Cambridge Red but I'm a telecommuter and I
want talk not, music. R4 is my main source of voices but when it gets boring
(Woman's Hour, the 3pm phone in etc) I switch to BBC Radio Cambridgeshire.
> > Mandy Morton come to that, who may be young in body but comes over a
> > lot older in mind).
>
> How do you know about the condition of Ms. Morton's body, anyway?
Because I looked in the web site. Check out:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/england/radiocambridgeshire/present.shtml
for pix of her, and Spendlove, Barbour, South, Main, England and the lovely
Sophie Pierce.
> >PS: please sort out your quoting. Ta.
>
> See you're using something posh called Microsoft Outlook Explorer5.
> I'm still stuck with my ancient c1995 freebie FreeAgent, alas no
> longer supported.
Nope. I'm using Ameol2 - nowt to do with Microsoft. It's a lot better than
Free Agent, which I used to use too. Ameol2 is free as well. You can get it
from this URL
ftp://ftp.cix.co.uk/pub/ameol2/32-bit/a252_32.exe
E. Spires
> R4 is my main source of voices but when it gets boring
My vote for in car voices goes to Radio 5 Live, on a par with R4.
Eric
Paul Oldham
dx...@cityscape.seespam.co.uk (E. Spires) growled:
> pa...@the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) wrote:
>
> > R4 is my main source of voices but when it gets boring
>
> My vote for in car voices goes to Radio 5 Live, on a par with R4.
Too many phone ins. Too much sport. I hate both.
Brian Watson
news:memo.1999110...@books.the-hug.org...
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/england/radiocambridgeshire/present.shtml
>
> for pix of her, and Spendlove, Barbour, South, Main, England and the
lovely
> Sophie Pierce.
Sophie Pierce shortly going down to the West Country, according to her on
last night's programme.
--
Brian
Robert
<br...@spheroid.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>The trouble with the "politically correct" thing is that it can stifle
>dealing with difficult issues reasonably using the same social mechanisms
>that we use to deal with less controversial matters.
So presumably, if you had some physical or mental deficiency, or were
somehow weird and disturbingly exotic by virtue of being black,
female, very old, very young, vegetarian, a widower, HIV positive,
albino, or whatever, we would all be justified in coming to terms with
our own difficult issues by making your life miserable? Sounds like a
good idea, now I think of it.
RE
Jón Fairbairn
> the lovely Sophie Pierce.
You only say that 'cos the pic looks like Beth...
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Jón Fairbairn Jon.Fa...@cl.cam.ac.uk
Paul Oldham
Fairbairn) growled:
> pa...@the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) writes:
>
> > the lovely Sophie Pierce.
>
> You only say that 'cos the pic looks like Beth...
... only not quite as gorgeous. ;-)
Brian Watson
news:38282f2a.3314401327@news.cygnus.co.uk...
You chose to cut the bit in the paragraph *above* the one you quoted where I
said, "I do think that *anything* should be open to being the "victim" of
humour if the result is positive, in terms of facing our anxieties and
dealing with them positively."
Perhaps I didn't express it very well, but of course it would not *be* a
"positive outcome" if there were an individual or group whose life/s were
made miserable by a joke. Humour doesn't have to be cruel and I'm not saying
that it should be.
It is quite possible to be on the receiving end of a joke and take it in
good humour. That depends very much on the nature of the joke and the
circumstances of its telling.
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Brian
Beth Clarke
> pa...@the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) writes:
> > the lovely Sophie Pierce.
> You only say that 'cos the pic looks like Beth...
Oh yea! well vaguely anyway.
Likes Bread and Butter pudding too.
Beth