Old storage heaters - disposal

[Charlie]

Hi all,

We're about to fit proper central heating, and will thus have to
dispose of three old storage heaters. Does anyone have any ideas -
apart from take them to the dump? They're probably only 15 years old
by the look of them.

It's going to be a fun job - they're b*stard heavy and will have to be
taken apart I think.

Charlie

[Alan]

Charlie <charlie...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
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They're not heavy once the bricks are out :-)

So yes, you normally have to take the front off to remove the bricks, but
that's usually the limit of dismantling.

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[Dave Holland]

Alan <a.b...@deadspam.com> wrote:
>They're not heavy once the bricks are out :-)

When I moved into my current house, I was somewhat surprised to find a
(disconnected) storage heater lying on its side in the loft. I was
concerned for the safety of the upstairs ceiling until I soon afterwards
found the heating bricks in the garden. There was -- and still is -- a
two foot fluffy snowman in the loft, too. People leave strange things
behind when they move house.

Disposal? I just took the heater and bricks to Milton tip.

Dave

[Bob]

I've been told that recycling storage heaters is more trouble than it's
worth because there's insulation inside them - to store the heat. The
insulation perishes over time and when you take the bricks out it supposedly
disintegrates. Without the insulation the heater (a) doesn't store heat
very well (b) gets too hot (or at least the exterior does) which is
theoretically a fire risk.

Can't promise that this is true but it sounded vaguely plausible.

Bob

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[Charlie]

On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 23:03:28 +0100, "Dave {Reply Address in.sig}"
<noone$$@llondel.org> wrote:

>My wife (whose newsreader is refusing to post at the moment) says that if
>the bricks are firebricks then she'll be happy to haul them away if you can
>take them out of the heaters.

Well OK - you're on - but I have no idea what kind of bricks they
would be. Anyone?

C

[Nick Wagg]

"Charlie" <charlie...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message

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>
> Well OK - you're on - but I have no idea what kind of bricks they
> would be. Anyone?

The bricks in a storage heater are refractory bricks, i.e. designed
to withstand considerable temperatures. AFAIK, firebricks, which
are also refractory, are loose bricks used to line a fireplace. They
are intended to degrade slowly over time in preference to the fixed
lining, because they are much more easily replaced as the inevitable
damage occurs.

[CWatters]

"Charlie" <charlie...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message

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> It's going to be a fun job - they're b*stard heavy and will have to be
> taken apart I think.

Some are heavier than just "b*stard heavy" !

My plumber decided to try moving ours without taking them apart. They
couldn't get enough people around one to lift it. Don't even try moving them
without taking them apart.

[tony sayer]

In article <Dld1f.14869$aT3.6...@phobos.telenet-ops.be>, CWatters
<colin....@pandoraBOX.be> writes

They are bl^^dy heavy. Almost a couple of hundred kilo's for a big
un!...
--
Tony Sayer

[Nick Wagg]

"tony sayer" <to...@bancom.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> They are bl^^dy heavy. Almost a couple of hundred kilo's for a big
> un!...

So don't load all the bricks into your car to take them to the tip
because you will have great difficulty in steering or braking, you
will probably wreck the suspension or shocks and invalidate
your insurance for the duration of the journey.

[pammyT]

"Dave {Reply Address in.sig}" <noone$$@llondel.org> wrote in message
news:11085131....@robinton.llondel.org...

> If the load is correctly distributed then 200kg is no worse than a couple
of
> rugby players. An estate car with folded-down back seats would let you put
> the load over the rear axle, just as if you ha that pair of rugby players
> in the back.
Indeed. That is only 10 sacks of mixed corn which I put in the car
regularly.

[contact...@gmail.com]

Be careful when dismtlingand getting the bricks out, as inside you may find and disturb asbestos if it was used, potentially inhaling it. As it is know asbestos is cancerous.

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 17/06/2020 18:37, contact...@gmail.com wrote:
> Be careful when dismtlingand getting the bricks out, as inside you may find and disturb asbestos if it was used, potentially inhaling it. As it is know asbestos is cancerous.
>

???

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always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them"

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[Keith Willshaw]

On 18/06/2020 05:59, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 17/06/2020 18:37, contact...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Be careful when dismtlingand getting the bricks out, as inside you may
>> find and disturb asbestos if it was used, potentially inhaling it. As
>> it is know asbestos is cancerous.
>>
> ???
>

See Mesothelioma.
https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/mesothelioma/risks-causes

[The Natural Philosopher]

Whoosh...
have you never dismantled a storage heater?
They don't contain asbestos.


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[Fevric J. Glandules]

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> have you never dismantled a storage heater?
> They don't contain asbestos.

https://www.armco.org.uk/asbestos-survey-news/storage-heaters-that-contain-asbestos/

[The Natural Philosopher]

Does anyone still HAVE 37 year old storage heaters from before 1973?




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[The Natural Philosopher]

On 20/06/2020 16:29, Brian Morrison wrote:

> On Sat, 20 Jun 2020 01:47:50 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 19/06/2020 23:43, Fevric J. Glandules wrote:
>>> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> have you never dismantled a storage heater?
>>>> They don't contain asbestos.
>>>
>>> https://www.armco.org.uk/asbestos-survey-news/storage-heaters-that-
> contain-asbestos/
>>>
>> Does anyone still HAVE 37 year old storage heaters from before 1973?
>

> 47?
>
I stand corrected.

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[Fevric J. Glandules]

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 19/06/2020 23:43, Fevric J. Glandules wrote:
>> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> have you never dismantled a storage heater?
>>> They don't contain asbestos.
>>
>> https://www.armco.org.uk/asbestos-survey-news/storage-heaters-that-contain-asbestos/
>>
> Does anyone still HAVE 37 year old storage heaters from before 1973?

(47, as said).

Why not? The keyboard I am typing this on is 31 years old.

Compared to a storage heater it's got about, ooh, two orders of
magnitude more things that could go wrong with it.

"If it ain't broke: You share your oldest working gadgets":
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52965974

[Tim Ward]

On 21/06/2020 12:57, Fevric J. Glandules wrote:
>
> Why not? The keyboard I am typing this on is 31 years old.

A genuine 1980s IBM keyboard?

I never acquired one of those. So I'm having to make do with the world's
second best keyboard, a genuine 1990s Cherry.

--
Tim Ward - 07801 703 600
www.brettward.co.uk

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 21/06/2020 12:57, Fevric J. Glandules wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 19/06/2020 23:43, Fevric J. Glandules wrote:
>>> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> have you never dismantled a storage heater?
>>>> They don't contain asbestos.
>>>
>>> https://www.armco.org.uk/asbestos-survey-news/storage-heaters-that-contain-asbestos/
>>>
>> Does anyone still HAVE 37 year old storage heaters from before 1973?
>
> (47, as said).
>
> Why not? The keyboard I am typing this on is 31 years old.
>

Because in general houses get a major refurb every 30 years or so and
that is when ghastly expensive crap like storage heaters tends to get
thrown out and gas or oil central heating installed (or heatpumps, these
days)

> Compared to a storage heater it's got about, ooh, two orders of
> magnitude more things that could go wrong with it.
>
> "If it ain't broke: You share your oldest working gadgets":
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52965974
>

Well know, you don't. With electricity - even offpeak now about 3 times
as expensive as oil and 4 times as expensive as gas, payback on a new
oil or gas boiler and rads is only a couple of years against storage
heaters.

You don't use a penny farthing for daily transport do you?

Or a carriage and four..

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[tony sayer]

In article <rco0fk$3c0$1...@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
<t...@invalid.invalid> scribeth thus

All very well if your on mains gas but some parts of Cambridge are not
which does cost a relative of mine a lot for leccy:(..

Sometimes thought of a heat pump but IIRC around £5 grand to install??..

Its just a one down two up modern terrace..

--
Tony Sayer


Man is least himself when he talks in his own person.

Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.

[The Natural Philosopher]

it was nearer £25 when I looked in 2002 but you need UFH or massive rads
cos it cant heat water that hot efficiently


so you are stuck with installing that as well. Mind you its the same for
an oil installation

>
> Its just a one down two up modern terrace..
>


--

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rule.
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[The Natural Philosopher]

25 grand...

>
> so you are stuck with installing that as well. Mind you its the same for
> an oil installation
>
>>
>> Its just a one down two up modern terrace..
>>
>
>


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[tim...]

"The Natural Philosopher" <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:rco0fk$3c0$1...@dont-email.me...

> On 21/06/2020 12:57, Fevric J. Glandules wrote:
>> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> On 19/06/2020 23:43, Fevric J. Glandules wrote:
>>>> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> have you never dismantled a storage heater?
>>>>> They don't contain asbestos.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.armco.org.uk/asbestos-survey-news/storage-heaters-that-contain-asbestos/
>>>>
>>> Does anyone still HAVE 37 year old storage heaters from before 1973?
>>
>> (47, as said).
>>
>> Why not? The keyboard I am typing this on is 31 years old.
>>
> Because in general houses get a major refurb every 30 years or so and that
> is when ghastly expensive crap like storage heaters tends to get thrown
> out and gas or oil central heating installed (or heatpumps, these days)

if you live in a flat with no gas (quiet common IME)

then SH are your only alternative to day-time space heating. Which whilst
not as ghastly to look at, is a gazillion times more expensive

HTH

tim

[Fevric J. Glandules]

Tim Ward wrote:

> On 21/06/2020 12:57, Fevric J. Glandules wrote:
>>
>> Why not? The keyboard I am typing this on is 31 years old.
>
> A genuine 1980s IBM keyboard?

Yup. 1989-05-10.

I have another from '92. They seem to need rotating every couple
of years or so. Just tried that one but it seemed a bit erratic.

I *ought* to have another spare somewhere in the house/attic but I
haven't seen it for a few years.

[Fevric J. Glandules]

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Because in general houses get a major refurb every 30 years or so and
> that is when ghastly expensive crap like storage heaters tends to get
> thrown out and gas or oil central heating installed (or heatpumps, these
> days)

I expect my aunt's cottage still has the same heaters that were
there forty years ago.

[Keith Willshaw]

On 19/06/2020 19:29, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 19/06/2020 18:16, Keith Willshaw wrote:
>> On 18/06/2020 05:59, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 17/06/2020 18:37, contact...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Be careful when dismtlingand getting the bricks out, as inside you
>>>> may find and disturb asbestos if it was used, potentially inhaling
>>>> it. As it is know asbestos is cancerous.
>>>>
>>> ???
>>>
>>
>> See Mesothelioma.
>> https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/mesothelioma/risks-causes
> Whoosh...
> have you never dismantled a storage heater?

Yes very very carefully wearing a respirator and full coveralls

> They don't contain asbestos.
>

Except for the ones that do, which are mostly older models. The main
heat storage structure was bricks but the insulation in earlier models
was asbestos.

[Alan J. Wylie]

Keith Willshaw <keithw...@gmail.com> writes:

>> They don't contain asbestos.

> Except for the ones that do, which are mostly older models. The main
> heat storage structure was bricks but the insulation in earlier models
> was asbestos.

I had one to dismantle not so long ago. There are lists here:

https://www.armco.org.uk/asbestos-survey-news/storage-heaters-that-contain-asbestos/

http://www.storageheaters.com/asbestos-list.htm

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