£50 to replace stolen wheelie bin :(
Linda Fox
to our drive this morning and used in a burglary.
Between 6.30 and 6.45 we heard the trundling of wheelie bins - thought
it was a neighbour who had suddenly remembered it was bin day. Our
neighbour thought it was us.
At about 7,00 my husband looked out of the window and said the bins
had been stolen.
The contents had been poured all over the pavement outside the house
next door, and there was someone standing in the garage of the pub
which is the next building along, who told Robin that there had been a
break-in.
We reported the incident to the police, and then contacted the
cleansing department.
They told us that the green bin would be replaced free of charge but
would be at least five weeks in coming. The black bin, however, will
cost £50 to replace. Anyone else think that is monstrous? We have paid
it already, but would love to know if there's any way we can claim it
back.
Question: who does the bin belong to, then? If it's ours (and it
bloody well should be at that price), can we take it off our house
contents insurance? If it's the council's why the **** aren't they
insured against theft? We have a crime number which should support our
claim.
BTW, the bins are not hard to identify; though neither of them has a
number painted on it, the green bin has got split vertically down at
least one side, almost from top to bottom, near the corner, but the
black bin has a huge splash of bright pink paint inside the lid and
round the top (lid is also very dented) So if you see a pink-and-black
wheelie on your travels, you may also be able to help the police solve
a break-in.
Linda
Duncan Wood
"Linda Fox" <li...@fox.freedombird.net> wrote in message
news:1p4vvu4hua3hqr92e...@4ax.com...
> Both our wheelie bins (green and black) were stolen from the entrance
> to our drive this morning and used in a burglary.
>
> Between 6.30 and 6.45 we heard the trundling of wheelie bins - thought
> it was a neighbour who had suddenly remembered it was bin day. Our
> neighbour thought it was us.
>
> At about 7,00 my husband looked out of the window and said the bins
> had been stolen.
>
> The contents had been poured all over the pavement outside the house
> next door, and there was someone standing in the garage of the pub
> which is the next building along, who told Robin that there had been a
> break-in.
>
> We reported the incident to the police, and then contacted the
> cleansing department.
>
> They told us that the green bin would be replaced free of charge but
> would be at least five weeks in coming. The black bin, however, will
> it already, but would love to know if there's any way we can claim it
> back.
>
> Question: who does the bin belong to, then? If it's ours (and it
> bloody well should be at that price), can we take it off our house
> contents insurance? If it's the council's why the **** aren't they
> insured against theft? We have a crime number which should support our
> claim.
>
> BTW, the bins are not hard to identify; though neither of them has a
> number painted on it, the green bin has got split vertically down at
> least one side, almost from top to bottom, near the corner, but the
> black bin has a huge splash of bright pink paint inside the lid and
> round the top (lid is also very dented) So if you see a pink-and-black
> wheelie on your travels, you may also be able to help the police solve
> a break-in.
>
> Linda
well if they're the councils it would cost more to insure them & claim than
just to accept the loss, that's how insurance works :-(
Tim Ward
> would be at least five weeks in coming. The black bin, however, will
> it already, but would love to know if there's any way we can claim it
> back.
>
> Question: who does the bin belong to, then? If it's ours (and it
> bloody well should be at that price), can we take it off our house
> contents insurance? If it's the council's why the **** aren't they
> insured against theft? We have a crime number which should support our
> claim.
(You don't say where you live and which is the relevant council; the rest of
this reply assumes you live in the city.)
There is some potential for confusion here as the black bins were originally
supplied by the council free of charge and were in some sense the council's;
I'm now told that this was only during some introductory or pilot period.
The council now tells you to claim from your household insurance as the bin
is now yours. If you moved into your house since the introduction of the
wheelie bins, and your predecessor left the bin for you, so you didn't have
to buy a new one, then weren't you lucky.
(Originally the piece of paper that came with the bin told you not to paint
your house number on the bin as it wasn't yours. Later pieces of paper from
the council tell you to paint your house number on the bin to deter theft.
The changeover from one regime to the other, which must have consisted of
the council making me a present of both the bin and the responsibility for
it, escaped me completely at the time. I did not think this was handled
well. It was long before I was a councillor.)
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Cambridge City Councillor
Keith Edkins
> number painted on it, the green bin has got split vertically down at
> least one side, almost from top to bottom, near the corner, but the
> black bin has a huge splash of bright pink paint inside the lid and
> round the top (lid is also very dented) So if you see a pink-and-black
> wheelie on your travels, you may also be able to help the police solve
> a break-in.
>
You mean you didn't take a note of its serial number? :-)
Tell us what part of the City we ought to be looking in (apart from the
river, that is).
Keith
Linda Fox
wrote:
>The council now tells you to claim from your household insurance as the bin
>is now yours.
Where does the council tell us this (apart from your kindly
volunteering the information, thanks, Tim)? The council's servants
certainly didn't mention it, just told us "well, that's what you've
got to pay"
Yes, we are in the city, assuming Cherry Hinton counts as the city.
Linda
Mark Carroll
Linda Fox <li...@fox.freedombird.net> wrote:
(snip)
>They told us that the green bin would be replaced free of charge but
>would be at least five weeks in coming. The black bin, however, will
(snip)
Yes: it annoys me that they make you put your untethered wheelie bin
out so they can get the rubbish from it, but if it's stolen you then
have to pay for the replacement - you end up responsible for something
that you are required to make easy pickings. But, I've said that
before here, so I'll move quickly on to:
That's a lot of money - do they really cost that much to make in bulk?
-- Mark
Linda Fox
<keith....@gwydir.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>You mean you didn't take a note of its serial number? :-)
>
Oh bum, I knew we'd forgotten something.
>Tell us what part of the City we ought to be looking in (apart from the
>river, that is).
Where _do_ wheelie bin rustlers hang out? They stole it from Cherry
Hinton, but we don't have people like that actually _living_ round
here, er - do we? :)
The bin has no great sentimental value. Just resent having to cough up
£50 just before exmass.
Linda
Tim Ward
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>
> That's a lot of money - do they really cost that much to make in bulk?
You don't have to buy one from the council. As long as it meets the spec you
can buy one elsewhere cheaper if you can find one.
Tim Ward
> On Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:28:26 -0000, "Tim Ward" <t...@brettward.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> >The council now tells you to claim from your household insurance as the
bin
> >is now yours.
>
> Where does the council tell us this (apart from your kindly
> volunteering the information, thanks, Tim)?
I had a correspondence with them a few years ago and was told this in
letters.
> The council's servants
> certainly didn't mention it, just told us "well, that's what you've
> got to pay"
You haven't, you can buy elsewhere, see my other post.
> Yes, we are in the city, assuming Cherry Hinton counts as the city.
Half of it is in the city, half isn't.
Andrew Haylett
> The council now tells you to claim from your household insurance as the bin
> is now yours.
JOOI, does this actually work? Are insurers happy to provide cover
for something that has to be left outside, unguarded, all night, on an
entirely predictable day of the week? And wouldn't there normally be
an excess on the policy roughly equivalent to the cost of a wheelie bin?
This is academic for me, since we non-city troglodytes are not to be
trusted with anything more valuable than a placcy bag.
Andrew.
Sarah Cooper
> Where _do_ wheelie bin rustlers hang out? They stole it from Cherry
> Hinton, but we don't have people like that actually _living_ round
> here, er - do we? :)
>
> The bin has no great sentimental value. Just resent having to cough up
> £50 just before exmass.
no great help...but surely therein lies your answer
SCoop
Killer
> "Linda Fox" <li...@fox.freedombird.net> wrote in message
> news:iicvvucsjc4uihc2d...@4ax.com...
>
>>On Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:28:26 -0000, "Tim Ward" <t...@brettward.co.uk>
>>wrote:
>
>>Yes, we are in the city, assuming Cherry Hinton counts as the city.
>>
>
> Half of it is in the city, half isn't.
Which is, of course, a bloody stupid state of affairs in itself...
Michael
Liz Baker
"Andrew Haylett" <a...@primagraphics.co.uk> wrote in message
news:atocou$m58$1...@atlas.primag...
> This is academic for me, since we non-city troglodytes are not to be
> trusted with anything more valuable than a placcy bag.
Keeps the amount of rubbish put out down by ooh, around 30% IIRC from my
parish council information (Paul will know), which is good for the
environment because it all goes off for landfill and less is better (and
cheaper). You can always start lobbying your local councillor(s) for wheelie
bins. If there was lots more recycling happening, I'd be tempted to lobby
for them myself.
Liz
Colin Rosenstiel
(Tim Ward) wrote:
> > Yes, we are in the city, assuming Cherry Hinton counts as the city.
>
> Half of it is in the city, half isn't.
I think we can safely assume Linda is in the City as South Cambs doesn't
use wheelie bins.
Colin Rosenstiel
Linda Fox
wrote:
>If you moved into your house since the introduction of the
>wheelie bins, and your predecessor left the bin for you, so you didn't have
>to buy a new one, then weren't you lucky.
Apparently. So are you saying that if we moved into a house with no
wheelie bin we would be obliged to pay £50 to the council for one?
Because we wouldn't seem to have much option - they're the only method
of waste collection accepted, AIUI, but do correct me if I'm wrong -
they won't collect ordinary dustbins (which you could buy at a whole
range of prices) and will they pick up black bin-liners now they have
wheelie bin lorries? My understanding is that they won't.
It may be a one-off payment, but it seems to be compulsory, and it's
in addition to the council tax we pay to have them collected.
Linda
Al Grant
> "Mark Carroll" <ma...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote in message
> news:gbz*XW...@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk...
> >
> > That's a lot of money - do they really cost that much to make in bulk?
>
> You don't have to buy one from the council. As long as it meets the spec you
> can buy one elsewhere cheaper if you can find one.
So is it that the council were suckered into buying them at a higher
price, despite buying in bulk?
Or are they creaming a profit off the top?
Or is it simply gross inefficiency?
I think residents should be told.
Paul Oldham
li...@fox.freedombird.net (Linda Fox) growled:
> The bin has no great sentimental value. Just resent having to cough up
> £50 just before exmass.
I thought that the council were accepting black bin bags? Just switch to
using those. That's what we all use out here in the Fens.
Making people pay for wheelie bins is a classic example of creating a
market, and hence an opportunity for crime, where none existed before. The
City did a very silly thing in making people pay for them, for all sorts of
reasons.
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>
> "Andrew Haylett" <a...@primagraphics.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:atocou$m58$1...@atlas.primag...
>
> > This is academic for me, since we non-city troglodytes are not to be
> > trusted with anything more valuable than a placcy bag.
>
> Keeps the amount of rubbish put out down by ooh, around 30% IIRC from my
> parish council information
Which does, bin or bag? Surely the proper way to keep rubbish down is
through sensible recycling policies (including plastics, cardboard,
non-drinkcan metals...). If SCams tried to fob us off with WBs I'd
refuse to cooperate; bags seem to work just fine.
Douglas de Lacey.
Tim Ward
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Maybe none of these. Maybe in fact you *can't* buy cheaper elsewhere - I
haven't tried.
splodge
"Tim Ward" <t...@brettward.co.uk> wrote in message
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> news:gbz*XW...@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk...
> >
> > That's a lot of money - do they really cost that much to make in bulk?
>
> You don't have to buy one from the council. As long as it meets the spec
you
> can buy one elsewhere cheaper if you can find one.
>
How much profit do the council make on them?
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Tim Ward
>
> Apparently. So are you saying that if we moved into a house with no
> wheelie bin we would be obliged to pay £50 to the council for one?
No, you could buy elsewhere for whatever price you could get so long as it
met the spec.
> Because we wouldn't seem to have much option - they're the only method
> of waste collection accepted, AIUI, but do correct me if I'm wrong -
> they won't collect ordinary dustbins (which you could buy at a whole
> range of prices) and will they pick up black bin-liners now they have
> wheelie bin lorries? My understanding is that they won't.
Not very long ago they would collect bags. But there was increasing concern
over the number of bags with needles sticking out of them - I'm sorry, but I
don't remember whether they will still collect bags.
> It may be a one-off payment, but it seems to be compulsory, and it's
> in addition to the council tax we pay to have them collected.
Yes.
Mark Ayliffe
Linda Fox <li...@fox.freedombird.net> typed:
> On Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:28:26 -0000, "Tim Ward" <t...@brettward.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>
>> If you moved into your house since the introduction of the
>> wheelie bins, and your predecessor left the bin for you, so you
>> didn't have to buy a new one, then weren't you lucky.
>
> Apparently. So are you saying that if we moved into a house with no
> wheelie bin we would be obliged to pay £50 to the council for one?
It seems like Homebase have them online for £25 (currently reduced from
£30), plus a fiver for delivery. Whether they are the correct spec. or not I
haven't a clue, but they look the right shape.
> Because we wouldn't seem to have much option - they're the only method
> of waste collection accepted, AIUI, but do correct me if I'm wrong -
> they won't collect ordinary dustbins (which you could buy at a whole
> range of prices) and will they pick up black bin-liners now they have
> wheelie bin lorries? My understanding is that they won't.
Pretty much correct. In theory we ought to be paying less Council Tax as it
is supposed to be a more efficient way to collect refuse. Somhow I doubt
that it works that way.
> It may be a one-off payment, but it seems to be compulsory, and it's
> in addition to the council tax we pay to have them collected.
But you'd be happy to pay for your own dustbin? Given the council might
reasonably refuse to empty it when it's worn out, handles broken, cracked,
rusted almost through the bottom, whatever?
Mark
Tim Ward
message news:ddcpta...@192.168.1.252...
>
> Pretty much correct. In theory we ought to be paying less Council Tax as
it
> is supposed to be a more efficient way to collect refuse. Somhow I doubt
> that it works that way.
It does. If one service gets more efficient then you end up paying less tax
than you would otherwise have to pay for the same package of services. Where
else do you think the money would go??
Paul Oldham
growled:
> Liz Baker wrote:
> >
> > "Andrew Haylett" <a...@primagraphics.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:atocou$m58$1...@atlas.primag...
> >
> > > This is academic for me, since we non-city troglodytes are not to be
> > > trusted with anything more valuable than a placcy bag.
> >
> > Keeps the amount of rubbish put out down by ooh, around 30% IIRC from my
> > parish council information
>
> Which does, bin or bag?
Bag. Introducing wheelie bins allegedly increases the total weight a council
ends up land filling significantly. Why this should be is the subject of
some debate mind you.
> Surely the proper way to keep rubbish down is
> through sensible recycling policies (including plastics, cardboard,
> non-drinkcan metals...). If SCams tried to fob us off with WBs I'd
> refuse to cooperate; bags seem to work just fine.
SCDC are not in favour of wheelie bins. Wheelie bins are not flexible to
changing patterns of recycling in the way that coloured bags (common in
Germany) or even SCDC's bag and box model are.
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splodge
> "Mark Ayliffe" <mark.ayl...@nospam.pem.cam.andthis.ac.uk> wrote in
> message news:ddcpta...@192.168.1.252...
> >
> > Pretty much correct. In theory we ought to be paying less Council Tax as
> it
> > is supposed to be a more efficient way to collect refuse. Somhow I doubt
> > that it works that way.
>
> It does. If one service gets more efficient then you end up paying less
tax
> than you would otherwise have to pay for the same package of services.
Where
> else do you think the money would go??
>
Brass studs in the pavement?
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Tim Ward
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Wrong council.
Ian Cowley
> In article <fjcvvu4o9r2u6a8ih...@4ax.com>,
> li...@fox.freedombird.net (Linda Fox) growled:
>
>> The bin has no great sentimental value. Just resent having to cough
>> up £50 just before exmass.
>
> I thought that the council were accepting black bin bags? Just switch
> to using those. That's what we all use out here in the Fens.
>
Milton's in the Fens? Argh.
*checks for 6 toes*
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news:memo.20021218...@paul.the-hug.org:
> In article <3E00358F...@cam.ac.uk>, de...@cam.ac.uk (Douglas de
> Lacey) growled:
>
>> Liz Baker wrote:
>> >
>> > "Andrew Haylett" <a...@primagraphics.co.uk> wrote in message
>> > news:atocou$m58$1...@atlas.primag...
>> >
>> > > This is academic for me, since we non-city troglodytes are not to
>> > > be trusted with anything more valuable than a placcy bag.
>> >
>> > Keeps the amount of rubbish put out down by ooh, around 30% IIRC
>> > from my parish council information
>>
>> Which does, bin or bag?
>
> Bag. Introducing wheelie bins allegedly increases the total weight a
> council ends up land filling significantly. Why this should be is the
> subject of some debate mind you.
Presumably because the collectors can't see what is in them and just
empty them. With the bags, if they think there is something they
shouldn't (take like garden waste) they just leave them where they are.
>
>> Surely the proper way to keep rubbish down is
>> through sensible recycling policies (including plastics, cardboard,
>> non-drinkcan metals...). If SCams tried to fob us off with WBs I'd
>> refuse to cooperate; bags seem to work just fine.
>
> SCDC are not in favour of wheelie bins. Wheelie bins are not flexible
> to changing patterns of recycling in the way that coloured bags
> (common in Germany) or even SCDC's bag and box model are.
>
And of course are incredibly inconvenient if you've got no where to keep
them.
Alan
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Sam Holloway
<a...@primagraphics.co.uk> wrote:
>This is academic for me, since we non-city troglodytes are not to be
>trusted with anything more valuable than a placcy bag.
Mini-rant about placcy bags.
Personally I prefer them to wheelie bins. However, the scheme in Ely
is quite annoying. You get one free bag a week - fine. Sometimes
they're left sticking through your letterbox, making a clear
indication of who's in and who's not. Worse still, they're often to be
found blowing round your garden. Not useful.
I know other councils who run this scheme (Milton Keynes is an
example) give you a roll of black bin-liners every so many months.
That way you don't have problems with receiving bags each week. I
presume it's also quicker for the refuse collection personnel (yeah,
yeah) because they don't have to go stuffing one bag per person per
week through letterboxes/into gardens.
But hey, at least we don't have to buy our own bags. :-)
Sam
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Tim Cutts
Douglas de Lacey <de...@cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>Which does, bin or bag? Surely the proper way to keep rubbish down is
>through sensible recycling policies (including plastics, cardboard,
>non-drinkcan metals...).
What's wrong with drink cans?
Tim
Steve Slatcher
> Not very long ago they would collect bags. But there was increasing
> concern over the number of bags with needles sticking out of them -
> I'm sorry, but I don't remember whether they will still collect bags.
They don't where we live.
But they are more than happy to risk needle damage by lifting bags from one
bin to another to reduce the amount of bin wheeling they do.... leaving
unbagged rubbish to fester, mutter, mutter.
Steve Slatcher
> You don't have to buy one from the council. As long as it meets the
> spec you can buy one elsewhere cheaper if you can find one.
So where can we find the spec?
Mark Ayliffe
Tim Ward <t...@brettward.co.uk> typed:
> "Mark Ayliffe" <mark.ayl...@nospam.pem.cam.andthis.ac.uk> wrote
> in message news:ddcpta...@192.168.1.252...
>>
>> Pretty much correct. In theory we ought to be paying less Council
>> Tax as it is supposed to be a more efficient way to collect refuse.
>> Somhow I doubt that it works that way.
>
> It does. If one service gets more efficient then you end up paying
> less tax than you would otherwise have to pay for the same package of
> services. Where else do you think the money would go??
/If/ it is true that refuse mass or volume os 30% higher[1] in a wheelie bin
collection system than a "traditional" collection system, then I suspect
most of the efficiency gain goes in that and the associated extra landfill
charges.
AAMOI what is the usual/real explanation for the difference in Council Tax
between SCDC residents and City residents?
Mark
[1] I expect this could be so. Though much of the difference might end up in
the same hole via individuals taking it to Milton.
Mark Ayliffe
Ian Cowley <new...@safetynet.iancowley.co.uk> typed:
> Paul Oldham <pa...@the-hug.org> burbled:
>> In article <fjcvvu4o9r2u6a8ih...@4ax.com>,
>> li...@fox.freedombird.net (Linda Fox) growled:
>>
>>> The bin has no great sentimental value. Just resent having to cough
>>> up 50 just before exmass.
>>
>> I thought that the council were accepting black bin bags? Just switch
>> to using those. That's what we all use out here in the Fens.
>>
>
> Milton's in the Fens? Argh.
> *checks for 6 toes*
Never mind the number, watch for the webs between them. ;-)
Mark
Paul Oldham
new...@safetynet.iancowley.co.uk (Ian Cowley) growled:
> Paul Oldham <pa...@the-hug.org> burbled:
> > In article <fjcvvu4o9r2u6a8ih...@4ax.com>,
> > li...@fox.freedombird.net (Linda Fox) growled:
> >
> >> The bin has no great sentimental value. Just resent having to cough
> >> up £50 just before exmass.
> >
> > I thought that the council were accepting black bin bags? Just switch
> > to using those. That's what we all use out here in the Fens.
>
> Milton's in the Fens? Argh.
> *checks for 6 toes*
No, no, no. You're thinking along the wrong lines entirely: it's the webbing
between the toes you have to look out for. This is the Fens after all:
webbed feet were vital before Vermuiden did his business.
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parents lived in Snowdonia, it's less work for the dustmen than one per
house every week, but it could be said to encourage more waste. If you
only get one bag a week, it might encourage some to throw less stuff
away.
(says the man who has averaged 6 full black bags a week for the past
three weeks not to mention countless trips to the tip and to more local
recycling centres - but then I have only just moved house)
My new house has a garburator, which is very useful for disposing of
organic wastes into the sewage system. Is this considered an
ecologically friendly method? I suppose it all ends up as fertilizer on
the surrounding farms eventually (or wafts through the noses of my
fellow Milton residents)
Tim
Ricky Gervais
"Sam Holloway" <s...@samholloway.co.uk> wrote in message
news:cug00v8ls7365i270...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 17 Dec 2002 23:42:26 +0000 (UTC), Andrew Haylett
> <a...@primagraphics.co.uk> wrote:
> >This is academic for me, since we non-city troglodytes are not to be
> >trusted with anything more valuable than a placcy bag.
>
> Mini-rant about placcy bags.
>
> Personally I prefer them to wheelie bins. However, the scheme in Ely
> is quite annoying. You get one free bag a week - fine. Sometimes
> they're left sticking through your letterbox, making a clear
> indication of who's in and who's not. Worse still, they're often to be
> found blowing round your garden. Not useful.
>
1 bag a week?? In our household of two, we use 3-4 bags a week and thats
with recycling all glass.
John Penton
"Mark Carroll" <ma...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote in message
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> Linda Fox <li...@fox.freedombird.net> wrote:
> (snip)
> >They told us that the green bin would be replaced free of charge but
> >would be at least five weeks in coming. The black bin, however, will
> >cost £50 to replace. Anyone else think that is monstrous? We have paid
> (snip)
>
> Yes: it annoys me that they make you put your untethered wheelie bin
> out so they can get the rubbish from it, but if it's stolen you then
> have to pay for the replacement - you end up responsible for something
> that you are required to make easy pickings. But, I've said that
> before here, so I'll move quickly on to:
Do you think the bin men (sorry: sanitation operatives) would object if I
put a very long chain on my bin?
Mark Ayliffe
Alan <alan....@deadspam.com> typed:
>
> Presumably because the collectors can't see what is in them and just
> empty them. With the bags, if they think there is something they
> shouldn't (take like garden waste) they just leave them where they
> are.
>
Garden waste is permitted in wheelie bins. This may be why weight is
increased. In fact it's almost certainly why.
Mark
Mark Ayliffe
Paul Oldham <pa...@the-hug.org> typed:
> In article <atpf8o$8o2$1...@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>,
> new...@safetynet.iancowley.co.uk (Ian Cowley) growled:
>
>> Paul Oldham <pa...@the-hug.org> burbled:
>>> In article <fjcvvu4o9r2u6a8ih...@4ax.com>,
>>> li...@fox.freedombird.net (Linda Fox) growled:
>>>
>>>> The bin has no great sentimental value. Just resent having to cough
>>>> up 50 just before exmass.
>>>
>>> I thought that the council were accepting black bin bags? Just
>>> switch to using those. That's what we all use out here in the Fens.
>>
>> Milton's in the Fens? Argh.
>> *checks for 6 toes*
>
> No, no, no. You're thinking along the wrong lines entirely: it's the
> webbing between the toes you have to look out for. This is the Fens
> after all: webbed feet were vital before Vermuiden did his business.
Wow, same thought, same time. Spooky. I think the Romans did a lot of the
Fen draining BTW, Vermuyden just finished the job, didn't he?
Mark
Mark Ayliffe
Tim Cutts <ti...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> typed:
I think the point was to encourage recycling of other metals. However, given
drink cans come in aluminium and steel, I can't think of any other common
metals which would be worth having houehold recycling for.
As for the wnswer to your question; they have displaced returnable glass
bottles.
Mark
Tavish Fraser
> 1 bag a week?? In our household of two, we use 3-4 bags a week and
> thats with recycling all glass.
What do you put in there? My household of two averages 2-3 weeks per
bag...
--
Tavish "All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me
happy."
Alan
I thought that garden waste was in tips was frowned upon these days for
environmental reasons. It is by SCDC as far as I know.
So perhaps it is just the effort/cost of transporting it rather than for
environemntal reasons after all.
Steve Slatcher
> Wow, same thought, same time. Spooky. I think the Romans did a lot of
> the Fen draining BTW, Vermuyden just finished the job, didn't he?
ISTR reading that the fens flooded again after the Romans left.
Ricky Gervais
"Alan" <alan....@deadspam.com> wrote in message
news:Xns92E86FFAF497Fal...@193.150.150.3...
> "Mark Ayliffe" <mark.ayl...@nospam.pem.cam.andthis.ac.uk> wrote in
> news:muhpta...@192.168.1.252:
>
> > In news:Xns92E863A101411al...@193.150.150.3,
> > Alan <alan....@deadspam.com> typed:
> >>
> >> Presumably because the collectors can't see what is in them and just
> >> empty them. With the bags, if they think there is something they
> >> shouldn't (take like garden waste) they just leave them where they
> >> are.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Garden waste is permitted in wheelie bins. This may be why weight is
> > increased. In fact it's almost certainly why.
> >
>
> I thought that garden waste was in tips was frowned upon these days for
> environmental reasons. It is by SCDC as far as I know.
>
> So perhaps it is just the effort/cost of transporting it rather than for
> environemntal reasons after all.
>
> Alan
>
>
thought this would quick to decompose?
Ricky Gervais
"Tavish Fraser" <tav...@scientia.com> wrote in message
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> "Ricky Gervais" <Ri...@NOSPAMrickygervais.co.uk> writes:
>
> > 1 bag a week?? In our household of two, we use 3-4 bags a week and
> > thats with recycling all glass.
>
> What do you put in there? My household of two averages 2-3 weeks per
> bag...
>
> --
house clearance business through my waste disposal. :)
Ian Cowley
Good god. Our household of two gets less than one bag per week, with a
similar quantity of recycling.
My pet hate is the amount of non-recyclable cardboard and plastics we are
forced to throw away :(
Alan
news:3e0055d9$0$245$ed9e...@reading.news.pipex.net:
Have a word with Google, there was a thread about it here a while ago,
but apparently it doesn't for SCDC residents, but it does for City ones
:-(
Paul Oldham
Ri...@NOSPAMrickygervais.co.uk (Ricky Gervais) growled:
> "Alan" <alan....@deadspam.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns92E86FFAF497Fal...@193.150.150.3...
>
> > I thought that garden waste was in tips was frowned upon these days for
> > environmental reasons. It is by SCDC as far as I know.
> >
> > So perhaps it is just the effort/cost of transporting it rather than for
> > environemntal reasons after all.
>
> Can you explain to me why garden waste is not permitted? I would have
> thought this would quick to decompose?
Because it takes up landfill space, which is running out, and green waste is
relatively easy to re-cycle[1]. The government has encourage this behaviour
by putting a tax on waste landfilled, based on weight.
[1] FSVO, re-cycling is now defined as including burning aka "energy from
waste".
--
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Milton villager ------> http://www.miltonvillage.org.uk/
and FAQ maintainer ---> http://the-hug.org/paul/camfaq.html
"If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything."
Olov Wilander
> Mini-rant about placcy bags.
> But hey, at least we don't have to buy our own bags. :-)
I'll chip in at this point: I've lived in two places running schemes
like this. In both places you had to buy your own, and this seemed to
be an advantage to me. Not only would you buy the bags by the roll,
there also was the choice of several different sizes, so if you knew
you were producing a lot of waste, you could get the bigger bags.
This sort of thing tends to influence people a lot too. The Swiss
where I lived not only took recycling very seriously (I've never since
seen anywhere that recycles that many different things), they also
realised that unneccessary packaging was litterally costing them
money. The prime example I remember is milk. We wouldn't buy milk in
plastic bottles. Tetra-brics (or whatever the cardboard boxes are
called) didn't cut the grade either. Milk was sold in PE bags.
/olov
--
They felt, in fact, tremendously bucked-up [...] which was definitely
several letters of the alphabet away from how they normally felt.
-- Guards! Guards! (T. Pratchett)
Jonathan Amery
What's a PE bag?
--
Jonathan Amery. Let us try what Love will do; for if men did once see
##### we love them, we should soon find they would not harm
#######__o us. Force may subdue, but Love gains: and he that
#######'/ forgives first, wins the laurel. - William Penn, 1693
Alan
> In article <3e0055d9$0$245$ed9e...@reading.news.pipex.net>,
> Ri...@NOSPAMrickygervais.co.uk (Ricky Gervais) growled:
>
>> "Alan" <alan....@deadspam.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns92E86FFAF497Fal...@193.150.150.3...
>>
>> > I thought that garden waste was in tips was frowned upon these days
>> > for environmental reasons. It is by SCDC as far as I know.
>> >
>> > So perhaps it is just the effort/cost of transporting it rather
>> > than for environemntal reasons after all.
>>
>> Can you explain to me why garden waste is not permitted? I would have
>> thought this would quick to decompose?
>
> Because it takes up landfill space, which is running out, and green
> waste is relatively easy to re-cycle[1]. The government has encourage
> this behaviour by putting a tax on waste landfilled, based on weight.
>
> [1] FSVO, re-cycling is now defined as including burning aka "energy
> from
> waste".
>
That's what we were told. But why doesn't this apply to City residents
then?
Steve Hunt
> would be at least five weeks in coming. The black bin, however, will
> cost £50 to replace. Anyone else think that is monstrous?
IMO if the council *insists* on a garbage collection
scheme that requires you to leave an expensive bin outside,
and by definition unsecured, then it should be up to them
to replace it if it's nicked. Though perhaps only on bin day
and the preceding night, to discourage people from leaving
them all over the pavements all week long.
I think the council's get-out is that they will take bin
bags instead.
-- Steve
Steve Hunt
> are forced to throw away :(
Supermarkets being largely to blame IMO (Taste The Overpackaging).
Supermarkets should be somehow taxed for the amount of non-recyclable
packaging they sell with their wares. That's about the only thing that
would
force them to reduce.
-- Steve
Dave Holland
>My pet hate is the amount of non-recyclable cardboard and plastics we are
>forced to throw away :(
We sort the cardboard and stash it in the garage (probably a huge fire
risk) then take the accumulated mass to Milton by car every few
months.
I'd love to see cardboard accepted in the SCDC recycling boxes.
Dave
Olov Wilander
> In article <m3hedbe...@kow20.christs.cam.ac.uk>,
> Olov Wilander <ko...@cam.ac.uk> wrote:
> > Milk was sold in PE bags.
>
> What's a PE bag?
One that makes you exhaust yourself `for your own good'?
Nah. Low density polyethylen. Plastic, if you like.
/olov
--
So never bring a girl charred black stalks. It's a very embarrassing faux pas.
-- Ozy's father, `Ozy and Millie'
<http://www.ozyandmillie.org/d/20000526.html>
Liz Baker
"Ian Cowley" <new...@safetynet.iancowley.co.uk> wrote in message
news:atpf8o$8o2$1...@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk...
> Milton's in the Fens? Argh.
> *checks for 6 toes*
Don't worry - he's right down the other end of the village. That might be
the fens, but this bit up here isn't.
Tch! Careless talk affects the value of your house.
Liz
Milton villager by choice. On purpose, not a random act of birth.
Steve Hunt
Skate parks?
-- Steve
Peter Ellis
>In article <m3hedbe...@kow20.christs.cam.ac.uk>,
>Olov Wilander <ko...@cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>> Milk was sold in PE bags.
>
> What's a PE bag?
Polyethylene (polythene), I believe.
Peter
Liz Baker
"Jonathan Amery" <jda...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote in message
news:iwC*eF...@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk...
> What's a PE bag?
One of those cloth bags with a drawstring neck you used to have at primary
school to put your plimsols in?
Liz
Tavish Fraser
And there was me thinking you were putting in things that you didn't
need to dispose of ;-)
I guess I (we) must just be weird and not use anywhere the same amount
of stuff as other people. I have noticed people in the other houses
on our street piling up sacks and sacks of rubbish, sometimes six or
seven for a similar sized house (not sure how many occupants though).
I just find it hard to figure out how it's possible to accumulate so
much rubbish.
tinne...@ntlworld.com
> In article <m3hedbe...@kow20.christs.cam.ac.uk>,
> Olov Wilander <ko...@cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>> Milk was sold in PE bags.
>
> What's a PE bag?
Isn't that what you keep your shorts and plimsoles in for school gym
classes? I wouldn't want milk in mine.
Rob.
Mark Ayliffe
Steve Hunt <st...@pSoPgAgMle.org> typed:
A colleague has just received a delivery from Dabs. The cardboard box had a
volume of around 3-4 cu ft and contained (vacuum packed to the bottom) about
0.1 cu ft of packaged items. *sigh*
Mark
Ian Cowley
'cos in general they have much smaller or non-existent gardens and therefore
can't reasonably be expected to home-compost?
Just a thought, not an answer.
Chris Brown
Tavish Fraser <tav...@scientia.com> wrote:
>I guess I (we) must just be weird and not use anywhere the same amount
>of stuff as other people.
Dunno. Our household (of two) makes enough waste to fill a wheelie bin once
every 2-3 weeks. As a result, we only put it out occasionally. I buy plenty
of prepackaged food, etc. though.
--
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Ian Cowley
It depends on what you buy - if you buy lots of plastic and
cardboard-packaged things (food I'm mainly talking about), they you'll have
a lot of rubbish to throw away. Some families live off pre-prepared foods,
which tend to come in plastic trays in cardboard boxes, cellophane wrapped.
None of which can be recycled :(
Ian Cowley
I ordered a 64MB compact flash (or smart media, I don't remember) from Dabs
last year.
The memory module was in a plastic tray, in a plastci sheath, in a cardboard
box. This was then in lots of bubble wrap and a Dabs box.
The manufacturer's packaging (I was sad enough to measure it) was 20 times
the volume of the chip. The Dabs box was 90 times the volume of the
manufacturer's box. In other words, the outer packaging I received my
memory chip in was 1800 times larger than the product.
Totally ridiculous!
Jonathan Amery
Mine was a sort of strange flurescent orange plasticy stuff..
--
Jonathan Amery.
##### The world is collapsing around our ears
#######__o I turned up the radio, but I can't hear it.
#######'/ - REM, Radio Song
Ian Cowley
> "Ian Cowley" <new...@safetynet.iancowley.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:atpf8o$8o2$1...@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk...
>
>> Milton's in the Fens? Argh.
>> *checks for 6 toes*
>
> Don't worry - he's right down the other end of the village. That
> might be the fens, but this bit up here isn't.
>
Hmm, choice between the Fenny end of the village or the end nearer the A14
and sewage works.....
Gotta be the separated toes for me, i think :)
> Tch! Careless talk affects the value of your house.
Shhh! The house'll hear you.
Douglas de Lacey
>
> In article <3E00358F...@cam.ac.uk>,
> Douglas de Lacey <de...@cam.ac.uk> wrote:
> >
> >Which does, bin or bag? Surely the proper way to keep rubbish down is
> >through sensible recycling policies (including plastics, cardboard,
> >non-drinkcan metals...).
>
> What's wrong with drink cans?
It's what's wrong with alu foil, milk bottle tops, screw tops, slides
from dead floppies, biscuit tins ... that wonders me. The spec said only
drinks cans.
Douglas de Lacey.
LNR
>
>Dunno. Our household (of two) makes enough waste to fill a wheelie bin once
>every 2-3 weeks. As a result, we only put it out occasionally. I buy plenty
>of prepackaged food, etc. though.
Is that the big wheely bins or one of the little ones? We (again two of
use) about 3/4 fill our little one most weeks. And it fits in our
wheely bin cupboard, which a big one wouldn't.
--
l...@lspace.org http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~eleanorb/
Douglas de Lacey
>
> I suppose if you get given a roll, as Meirionydd used to do when my
> parents lived in Snowdonia, it's less work for the dustmen than one per
> house every week, but it could be said to encourage more waste. If you
> only get one bag a week, it might encourage some to throw less stuff
> away.
SCambs give us, I think, the equivalent of 2 per week; delivered
quarterly not by the binmen. I suppose I try to practice close-packing,
but even with 2 teenage daughters at home we never had more than bag per
week (periods of major diy activity excepted).
Douglas de Lacey.
Paul Oldham
new...@safetynet.iancowley.co.uk (Ian Cowley) growled:
> It depends on what you buy - if you buy lots of plastic and
> cardboard-packaged things (food I'm mainly talking about), they you'll
> have a lot of rubbish to throw away.
Not if you re-cycle the cardboard ...
--
Paul Oldham ----------> http://the-hug.org/paul
Milton villager ------> http://www.miltonvillage.org.uk/
and FAQ maintainer ---> http://the-hug.org/paul/camfaq.html
"Never miss a good chance to shut up"
Paul Oldham
(Liz Baker) growled:
> "Ian Cowley" <new...@safetynet.iancowley.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:atpf8o$8o2$1...@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk...
>
> > Milton's in the Fens? Argh.
> > *checks for 6 toes*
>
> Don't worry - he's right down the other end of the village. That might be
> the fens, but this bit up here isn't.
FSVO of "up" ;-)
> Tch! Careless talk affects the value of your house.
It's OK, that nice Mr & Mrs Blair have just invested in two new flats so the
market's *obviously* not about to go titsup.
--
Paul Oldham ----------> http://the-hug.org/paul
Milton villager ------> http://www.miltonvillage.org.uk/
and FAQ maintainer ---> http://the-hug.org/paul/camfaq.html
"You can't have everything ... where would you put it?"
Jules
> Hinton, but we don't have people like that actually _living_ round
> here, er - do we? :)
Maybe it met that same fate as many stolen cars - broken up for the
parts to leave less of a trail. Your bin was probably taken to a
lock-up in Royston, where it was then stripped down to its component
parts for resale on the wheelie bin black market. Perhaps the thieves
even made the pieces harder to trace by painting them green and
selling them on as recyling bin components... :-)
cheers
Jules
Chris Brown
Ian Cowley <new...@safetynet.iancowley.co.uk> wrote:
>
>'cos in general they have much smaller or non-existent gardens and therefore
>can't reasonably be expected to home-compost?
Indeed. If I couldn't throw garden waste away, I'd pretty much have no
option other than to wait until none of my neighbours have windows open or
laundry out, and then burn it.
John Whyte
>> Surely the proper way to keep rubbish down is through sensible
>> recycling policies (including plastics, cardboard, non-drinkcan
>> cooperate; bags seem to work just fine.
>
> SCDC are not in favour of wheelie bins. Wheelie bins are not flexible to
> changing patterns of recycling in the way that coloured bags (common in
> Germany) or even SCDC's bag and box model are.
>
However, wheelie bins have the distinct advantage that the local
cat/fox/rodent/whatever population are unable to rip the bags open and
redistribute the last weeks worth of rubbish around the front garden :(
IMO wheelie bins can't come soon enough to SCDC collection areas.
Franck Arnaud
> Are insurers happy to provide cover for something that has to be left
> outside, unguarded, all night, on an entirely predictable day of
> the week?
Insurers do insure cars, which are also objects satisfying all the
conditions you mention for those without garages. After all, a car
is nothing more than a posh and motorised version of a wheelie bin.
John Penton
"Olov Wilander" <ko...@cam.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:m3hedbe...@kow20.christs.cam.ac.uk...
> Sam Holloway <s...@samholloway.co.uk> writes:
>
> > Mini-rant about placcy bags.
>
> > But hey, at least we don't have to buy our own bags. :-)
>
> I'll chip in at this point: I've lived in two places running schemes
> like this. In both places you had to buy your own, and this seemed to
> be an advantage to me. Not only would you buy the bags by the roll,
> there also was the choice of several different sizes, so if you knew
> you were producing a lot of waste, you could get the bigger bags.
>
> This sort of thing tends to influence people a lot too. The Swiss
> where I lived not only took recycling very seriously (I've never since
> seen anywhere that recycles that many different things), they also
> realised that unneccessary packaging was litterally costing them
> money. The prime example I remember is milk. We wouldn't buy milk in
> plastic bottles. Tetra-brics (or whatever the cardboard boxes are
> called) didn't cut the grade either. Milk was sold in PE bags.
This is one area where the British do pretty well. Have you come across
this?: you can get milk delivered in glass bottles which are returned,
washed and reused.
Ian Cowley
Get spray bleach (Flash spray with bleach is good) or some weak, cheapo
bleach in an old spray-bottle, and squirt it over the outsides of the bags
when you put them out. Keeps the animals off, we found.
Ian Cowley
You show me a wheelie bin that has a handbrake inside it, that can be
locked, and can also have all sorts of other security features added.
Sam Holloway
<ti...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>I suppose if you get given a roll, as Meirionydd used to do when my
>parents lived in Snowdonia, it's less work for the dustmen than one per
>house every week, but it could be said to encourage more waste. If you
>only get one bag a week, it might encourage some to throw less stuff
>away.
Indeed - I think there are pros and cons to all sides.
On a normal week I generate very little rubbish - half a black bag,
most of which is The Sunday Times. Sometimes if I have a clearout, or
a party (wine bottles etc), I need more, in which case I have to use
my own bags.
Perhaps it would make sense to just expect people to provide their own
bags. That way the whole thing is regulated on an individual basis and
we don't have to worry about chasing bags round the garden or poking
them through doors.
Sam
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www.samholloway.co.uk
s...@samholloway.co.uk
Alan
news:rev00v4j0t9b64qta...@4ax.com:
> On 18 Dec 2002 10:14:21 +0000 (GMT), Tim Cutts
> <ti...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>>I suppose if you get given a roll, as Meirionydd used to do when my
>>parents lived in Snowdonia, it's less work for the dustmen than one
>>per house every week, but it could be said to encourage more waste.
>>If you only get one bag a week, it might encourage some to throw less
>>stuff away.
>
> Indeed - I think there are pros and cons to all sides.
>
> On a normal week I generate very little rubbish - half a black bag,
> most of which is The Sunday Times. Sometimes if I have a clearout, or
> a party (wine bottles etc), I need more, in which case I have to use
> my own bags.
>
Careful - the examples you cite should be recycled these days - not put
in black bags.....
Somebody will get upset!
Alan
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Chris Wrigley
> 1 bag a week?? In our household of two, we use 3-4 bags a week and
> thats with recycling all glass.
We recycle: glass, paper (newspapers, junkmail, etc), tins/cans, and
plastic bottles (which can be recycled at the Saffron Walden tip on
Thaxted Road). After that, even though we have two kids in nappies
(although we do use washables for the littl'un when at home), we
usually manage to fit our rubbish into 1 bin bag per week.
So - what's your excuse...? ;-)
Chris.
[Note spamblock in return address]
Ian Cowley
> Sam Holloway <s...@samholloway.co.uk> wrote in
> news:rev00v4j0t9b64qta...@4ax.com:
>
>> On 18 Dec 2002 10:14:21 +0000 (GMT), Tim Cutts
>> <ti...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>>> I suppose if you get given a roll, as Meirionydd used to do when my
>>> parents lived in Snowdonia, it's less work for the dustmen than one
>>> per house every week, but it could be said to encourage more waste.
>>> If you only get one bag a week, it might encourage some to throw
>>> less stuff away.
>>
>> Indeed - I think there are pros and cons to all sides.
>>
>> On a normal week I generate very little rubbish - half a black bag,
>> most of which is The Sunday Times. Sometimes if I have a clearout, or
>> a party (wine bottles etc), I need more, in which case I have to use
>> my own bags.
>>
>
> Careful - the examples you cite should be recycled these days - not
> put in black bags.....
>
ITYWF there's no kerbside recycling scheme in Ely, and we do still live in
the days where the incentives to recycle by taking things to the local
recycling depot (i.e no incentives) aren't really enough to justify the
expense of effort.
The same could be said for kerbside schemes, but in those cases the effort
is so small that it kinda balances. There are those that don't use the
kerbside scheme. They are the ones that need shooting.
Andrew Haylett
When my old estate is heading off to Milton tip of a Saturday, that is a
closer description than you might think, except for the word "posh" [tm].
I should have added some other conditions, such as "totally unsecured".
Would you get insurance cover for a bicycle left outside, unlocked,
under those conditions?
Perhaps wheelie bins could be fitted with motion detection alarms on
their underside, with an appropriate transducer to detect proximity of
a refuse operative.
Andrew.
Keir Finlow-Bates
>
> Perhaps wheelie bins could be fitted with motion detection alarms on
> their underside, with an appropriate transducer to detect proximity of
> a refuse operative.
>
Hopefully these alarms wouldn't be noisy ones - it's bad enough getting
woken up by errant car alarms in the night, let alone wheelie bin alarms!
Keir
Alan
>
> ITYWF there's no kerbside recycling scheme in Ely, and we do still
> live in the days where the incentives to recycle by taking things to
> the local recycling depot (i.e no incentives) aren't really enough to
> justify the expense of effort.
Fair enough.
> The same could be said for kerbside schemes, but in those cases the
> effort is so small that it kinda balances. There are those that don't
> use the kerbside scheme. They are the ones that need shooting.
That's a bit OTT. Some of us think that the onus should be on
manufacturers not to produce the stuff in the first place, and while
governments allow them to do it, why should we burden ourselves worrying
about it. It's evidently not important enough for the government to
legislate against over packing.
Ian Cowley
> "Ian Cowley" <new...@safetynet.iancowley.co.uk> wrote in
> news:atq0nf$mes$1...@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk:
>
>> effort is so small that it kinda balances. There are those that
>> don't use the kerbside scheme. They are the ones that need shooting.
>
> That's a bit OTT. Some of us think that the onus should be on
> manufacturers not to produce the stuff in the first place, and while
> governments allow them to do it, why should we burden ourselves
> worrying about it. It's evidently not important enough for the
> government to legislate against over packing.
Hmm, putting the onus on manufacturers not to produce the stuff is fair
enough (I'm one of the people on your side :), but that's no reason not to
recycle it once it gets into your house if a kerbside scheme is provided.
John Whyte
>> However, wheelie bins have the distinct advantage that the local
>> cat/fox/rodent/whatever population are unable to rip the bags open and
>> redistribute the last weeks worth of rubbish around the front garden :(
>>
>> IMO wheelie bins can't come soon enough to SCDC collection areas.
>
> Get spray bleach (Flash spray with bleach is good) or some weak, cheapo
> bleach in an old spray-bottle, and squirt it over the outsides of the
> bags when you put them out. Keeps the animals off, we found.
Which would be fine if you didn't have to do it every day the rubbish is
sitting in the back garden waiting for collection day [1]
[1] yes i have a dustbin which i put the bags in[2]
[2] no it is not big enough for a weeks rubbish [3] by the time all the
nappies from our 11 week old baby are taken into account [4]
[3] a big enough dustbin would probably be a wheelie bin already
[4] until we [5] go onto reusables when she is a bit bigger
[5] we should be she i guess, seeing as we don't have a nappy fetish ;)
Alan
> Alan <alan....@deadspam.com> burbled:
>> "Ian Cowley" <new...@safetynet.iancowley.co.uk> wrote in
>> news:atq0nf$mes$1...@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk:
>>
>>> The same could be said for kerbside schemes, but in those cases the
>>> effort is so small that it kinda balances. There are those that
>>> don't use the kerbside scheme. They are the ones that need
>>> shooting.
>>
>> That's a bit OTT. Some of us think that the onus should be on
>> manufacturers not to produce the stuff in the first place, and while
>> governments allow them to do it, why should we burden ourselves
>> worrying about it. It's evidently not important enough for the
>> government to legislate against over packing.
>
> Hmm, putting the onus on manufacturers not to produce the stuff is
> fair enough (I'm one of the people on your side :), but that's no
> reason not to recycle it once it gets into your house if a kerbside
> scheme is provided.
>
That's assuming you believe it needs recycling. My point was that the
government (who one assumes has all the figures to hand) does nothing
about stopping manufacturers producing excess packaging, so is there
really a problem with it?
Chris Brown
LNR <l...@lspace.org> wrote:
>
>Is that the big wheely bins or one of the little ones? We (again two of
>use) about 3/4 fill our little one most weeks. And it fits in our
>wheely bin cupboard, which a big one wouldn't.
It's a big one. I seem almost unique on my street in having a bin cupboard
that will actually take a full-sized bin.
splodge
"John Penton" <John....@arm.com> wrote in message
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...and then filled to the brim, so that you can't possibly pour without
spilling.
Idiots.
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splodge
"Ian Cowley" <new...@safetynet.iancowley.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Tavish Fraser <tav...@scientia.com> burbled:
> > "Ricky Gervais" <Ri...@NOSPAMrickygervais.co.uk> writes:
> >
> >> "Tavish Fraser" <tav...@scientia.com> wrote in message
> >> news:uhedby...@scientia.com...
> >>> "Ricky Gervais" <Ri...@NOSPAMrickygervais.co.uk> writes:
> >>>
> >>>> 1 bag a week?? In our household of two, we use 3-4 bags a week and
> >>>> thats with recycling all glass.
> >>>
> >>> per bag...
> >>>
> >>> --
> >> Only things that need disposing of in the course of a week. Im not
> >> running a house clearance business through my waste disposal. :)
> >
> > And there was me thinking you were putting in things that you didn't
> > need to dispose of ;-)
> >
> > I guess I (we) must just be weird and not use anywhere the same amount
> > of stuff as other people. I have noticed people in the other houses
> > on our street piling up sacks and sacks of rubbish, sometimes six or
> > seven for a similar sized house (not sure how many occupants though).
> > I just find it hard to figure out how it's possible to accumulate so
> > much rubbish.
>
> It depends on what you buy - if you buy lots of plastic and
> cardboard-packaged things (food I'm mainly talking about), they you'll
have
foods,
> which tend to come in plastic trays in cardboard boxes, cellophane
wrapped.
> None of which can be recycled :(
>
Take it back to the supermarket and leave it on their doorstep. :-)
If we *all* did it...
I often wonder what percentage of the weekly shopping bill the packaging
comprises!
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splodge
"John Whyte" <jwh...@dial.pipex.com> wrote in message
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IMO, no thank you.
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Tim Ward
>
> I just find it hard to figure out how it's possible to accumulate so
> much rubbish.
Mostly packaging and things children break. (I suppose one doesn't need all
the plastic toys in the first place, but we've never found a way to stop
them appearing.)
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Tim Ward
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>
> Take it back to the supermarket and leave it on their doorstep. :-)
> If we *all* did it...
I do suggest from time to time that the council run a campaign to get
everybody doing that for a week. But they don't take me seriously.
Tim Ward
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>
> /If/ it is true that refuse mass or volume os 30% higher[1] in a wheelie
bin
> collection system than a "traditional" collection system,
There is research that suggests that this is so, and there have been
suggestions that the city council issue smaller wheelie bins to reduce the
amount of rubbish collected. However not by any means all officers and all
councillors believe this; I really can't see how my having a smaller bin
would make Sainsbury's use less packaging, or make my children break fewer
things.
Jonathan Amery
splodge <spl...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
[milk bottles]
>...and then filled to the brim, so that you can't possibly pour without
>spilling.
>Idiots.
Never had any problem. Perhaps you're incompetant?
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