Where to live?
Lee
Im looking to reloacate in Cambridge. Ive been told to avoid Arbury, Milton
and Chesterton?
Im looking for an village location approx 2-3 miles from the centre of town.
Any suggestions?
Thanks
Paul Oldham
(Lee) growled:
> Im looking to reloacate in Cambridge. I've been told to avoid Arbury,
> Milton and Chesterton?
Oh what basis? Both Arbury and Chesterton are a bit dodgy in parts, more
especially the former, but there are nice areas in both. Milton[1] still has
a village feel about it and a low crime rate[2] compared to the city.
> Im looking for an village location approx 2-3 miles from the centre of
> town. Any suggestions?
Well Arbury and Chesterton are in the city, although Chesterton likes to
think it's still a village ;-)
Villages within your distance criteria are: Girton, Impington(/Histon),
Milton, Fen Ditton, Teversham, Cherry Hinton, Trumpington, Grantchester,
Coton. Most are nearer three miles than two from the centre. Price is likely
to keep you out of some of those.
If I was looking now I'd be looking at Impington or Milton: reasonably good
bus services, good mix of housing, and some local shops.
[1] http://www.miltonvillage.org.uk/
[2] http://www.miltonvillage.org.uk/ra345.html
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Colin Rosenstiel
l...@it-fc.co.uk (Lee) wrote:
I suggest a closer study of geography might help. 2-3 miles from the City
centre is mainly within the City, not in a village.
Also I don't understand why people are so snooty about Arbury. Chesterton
is very respectable, mostly. I'd say you've been told wrong.
Colin Rosenstiel
Lee
"Paul Oldham" <pa...@the-hug.org> wrote in message
news:memo.200201...@books.the-hug.org...
> In article <3c56796b$0$225$ed9e...@reading.news.pipex.net>,
l...@it-fc.co.uk
> (Lee) growled:
>
> > Im looking to reloacate in Cambridge. I've been told to avoid Arbury,
> > Milton and Chesterton?
>
> Oh what basis? Both Arbury and Chesterton are a bit dodgy in parts, more
> especially the former, but there are nice areas in both. Milton[1] still
has
> a village feel about it and a low crime rate[2] compared to the city.
>
> > Im looking for an village location approx 2-3 miles from the centre of
> > town. Any suggestions?
>
> Well Arbury and Chesterton are in the city, although Chesterton likes to
> think it's still a village ;-)
>
> Villages within your distance criteria are: Girton, Impington(/Histon),
> Milton, Fen Ditton, Teversham, Cherry Hinton, Trumpington, Grantchester,
> Coton. Most are nearer three miles than two from the centre. Price is
likely
> to keep you out of some of those.
>
down feel of the place and also the crime rate. Milton due the smell. I
understand that there is a Council dump one side and a Sewage works the
other side making it impossible to open the windows in the summer?
Andrew Mobbs
>
>Also I don't understand why people are so snooty about Arbury. Chesterton
>is very respectable, mostly. I'd say you've been told wrong.
As far as I can tell "Arbury" is just about equivalent to the Kingsway
flats. Everywhere else is pushed into West Chesterton, or Kings Hedges,
a somewhat desperate "North City" or if all else fails, "Convenient
for the Science Park"
--
Andrew Mobbs - http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~andrewm/
Steve Slatcher
> (Lee) growled:
>
> > Im looking to reloacate in Cambridge. I've been told to avoid Arbury,
> > Milton and Chesterton?
>
> Oh what basis? Both Arbury and Chesterton are a bit dodgy in parts, more
> especially the former, but there are nice areas in both. Milton[1] still has
> a village feel about it and a low crime rate[2] compared to the city.
>
> > Im looking for an village location approx 2-3 miles from the centre of
> > town. Any suggestions?
>
> Well Arbury and Chesterton are in the city, although Chesterton likes to
> think it's still a village ;-)
Some bits of Chesterton IMO still do have a bit of village atmosphere. I do
not live there, but I was tempted last time I was looking for a house.
Other places to consider: Cherry Hinton, Histon.
Paul Oldham
l...@it-fc.co.uk (Lee) growled:
> I was told to steer clear of Arbury and Chesterton due to the general run
> down feel of the place and also the crime rate.
There are nice bits, and the reputation may help with prices ;-)
> Milton due the smell. I
> understand that there is a Council dump one side and a Sewage works the
> other side making it impossible to open the windows in the summer?
A slight exaggeration. There were some problems with the sewage works last
summer which affected the southern end of the village. These are being
tackled.
The smell from the landfill site is/was primarily from composting and
they've recently lost the contract (to Waterbeach) so that should be a lot
less bad this summer. in truth it only really affected the western side of
the village, certainly here in the north end we never had to close our
windows due to either smell.
Steve Slatcher
> Milton due the smell. I
> understand that there is a Council dump one side and a Sewage works the
> other side making it impossible to open the windows in the summer?
It's not THAT bad. I work right by the sewerage works (closer than Milton) and
it can get a bit unpleasant sometimes. But not so it would stop me opening
windows.
You haven't said what your budget is and what sort of house you want. My guess
is that these factors will constrain your choice a lot.
Colin Rosenstiel
and...@chiark.greenend.org.uk (Andrew Mobbs) wrote:
> Colin Rosenstiel <rosen...@cix.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >Also I don't understand why people are so snooty about Arbury.
> >Chesterton is very respectable, mostly. I'd say you've been told wrong.
>
> As far as I can tell "Arbury" is just about equivalent to the Kingsway
> flats. Everywhere else is pushed into West Chesterton, or Kings Hedges,
> a somewhat desperate "North City" or if all else fails, "Convenient
> for the Science Park"
You could be right. Arbury is much larger, especially if you include
King's Hedges (which is North of Arbury Road). People do get a negative
image, sadly. The proposed new ward boundaries will put the area including
Hertford Street and the Clare Colony in Arbury Ward, though more than half
the proposed ward is outside the Arbury estate.
Colin Rosenstiel
Colin Rosenstiel
l...@it-fc.co.uk (Lee) wrote:
> "Paul Oldham" <pa...@the-hug.org> wrote in message
> news:memo.200201...@books.the-hug.org...
> > In article <3c56796b$0$225$ed9e...@reading.news.pipex.net>,
> > l...@it-fc.co.uk (Lee) growled:
> >
> > > Im looking to reloacate in Cambridge. I've been told to avoid
> > > Arbury, Milton and Chesterton?
> >
> > Oh what basis? Both Arbury and Chesterton are a bit dodgy in parts,
> > more especially the former, but there are nice areas in both.
> > Milton[1] still has a village feel about it and a low crime rate[2]
> > compared to the city.
> >
> > > Im looking for an village location approx 2-3 miles from the centre
> > > of town. Any suggestions?
> >
> > Well Arbury and Chesterton are in the city, although Chesterton likes
> > to think it's still a village ;-)
> >
> > Villages within your distance criteria are: Girton,
> > Impington(/Histon), Milton, Fen Ditton, Teversham, Cherry Hinton,
> > Trumpington, Grantchester, Coton. Most are nearer three miles than two
> > from the centre. Price is likely to keep you out of some of those.
> >
> I was told to steer clear of Arbury and Chesterton due to the general
> run down feel of the place and also the crime rate.
That's almost the whole of Cambridge North of the river. Most of it is
neither run down (on any objective measure) nor is its crime rate high on
any absolute scale.
The sewage works isn't that big an issue. I used to work across the road
(and most of Milton village is much further away than that) and smell was
only an issue on a couple of days.
Colin Rosenstiel
Nick Wagg
It rather depends on your price range. The first place I found in my
range 15 years or so ago was 10 miles out - Swavesey - and I still
live there.
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Tel: +44 (0)1223 237111 Fax: +44 (0)1223 234192
Lee
> > > Impington(/Histon), Milton, Fen Ditton, Teversham, Cherry Hinton,
> > > Trumpington, Grantchester, Coton. Most are nearer three miles than two
> > > from the centre. Price is likely to keep you out of some of those.
> > >
> > I was told to steer clear of Arbury and Chesterton due to the general
> > run down feel of the place and also the crime rate.
>
> That's almost the whole of Cambridge North of the river. Most of it is
> neither run down (on any objective measure) nor is its crime rate high on
> any absolute scale.
>
> The sewage works isn't that big an issue. I used to work across the road
> (and most of Milton village is much further away than that) and smell was
> only an issue on a couple of days.
>
> Colin Rosenstiel
Something in the region of £140k. However, I have just discovered
www.cambridgeeveningnews.co.uk so that shoudl answer my questions. Thanks to
all who replied.
Janet McKnight
<l...@it-fc.co.uk> did say:
> Something in the region of £140k.
For what type/size of house? (Or did you already tell us that? My
apologies if I missed it...)
> However, I have just discovered
> www.cambridgeeveningnews.co.uk so that shoudl answer my questions. Thanks to
> all who replied.
I have a list of links to Cambridge estate agents' webpages which you
might find handy:
http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~janetmck/estate_agents.html
Some of these agents are linked from the Cambridge Evening News property
page, but my page includes
- some agents *not* listed on the CEN's page
- comments on the characteristics of some of the agents
- links to metasearches
- no graphics or other useless clutter! 8-)
I'm hoping to make this into a much more comprehensive reference page at
some point when I have some more round tuits (like, *after* we've moved
house!). At the moment it's really just a convenient page of bookmarks.
Jan x
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John Stark
news:memo.20020129...@colin.rosenstiel.cix.co.uk...
> Also I don't understand why people are so snooty about Arbury. Chesterton
> is very respectable, mostly. I'd say you've been told wrong.
On the subject of respectability of areas, does anyone here have any
opinions on Ditton Walk?
The reason I ask is this. My 2-up/2-down in Stanley Road has just been
valued at £140k. I'm looking to trade up to something with a bit more space
(separate entrance hall, loft conversion potential etc.) up to £200k,
preferably a scruffy one I can do up to my own liking over a few years.
Must be within 1/2 hour's walk of the station, won't consider one without an
"area" between front door and pavement.
I haven't put mine on the market yet because I can find few such properties
for sale at the moment. I've viewed two, one a dump (wouldn't have minded
getting the damp treated if it had more period features), the other in
Ditton Walk and attractively priced. My most obvious concern was the
possibility of drunk and disorderly football fans piling out of the Abbey
stadium and doing drunk and disorderly things in the Newmarket Road end of
Ditton Walk. No doubt I could get my solicitors to find out whether there's
any record of such things prior to purchase. However I've heard that the
Ditton Walk area has a bit of a reputation "like Arbury". Has anyone any
information about the area that would dissuade me from keeping this property
on my shortlist if it's still for sale when I'm in the position to make an
offer on somewhere?
Colin Rosenstiel
removethi...@andthis.ntlworld.com (John Stark) wrote:
You could Ask Colin Shaw, the local County Councillor. He lives there.
Colin Rosenstiel
Ben Hutchings
John Stark <removethi...@andthis.ntlworld.com> wrote:
>"Colin Rosenstiel" <rosen...@cix.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:memo.20020129...@colin.rosenstiel.cix.co.uk...
>> Also I don't understand why people are so snooty about Arbury. Chesterton
>> is very respectable, mostly. I'd say you've been told wrong.
>
>On the subject of respectability of areas, does anyone here have any
>opinions on Ditton Walk?
I live quite close to there. I'm pretty sure that it isn't
>...within 1/2 hour's walk of the station...
unless you walk really fast.
<snip>
>My most obvious concern was the possibility of drunk and disorderly
>football fans piling out of the Abbey stadium and doing drunk and
>disorderly things in the Newmarket Road end of Ditton Walk.
I don't remember seeing that sort of thing, though the traffic and parking
can get horrendous.
<snip>
>Has anyone any information about the area that would dissuade me from
>keeping this property on my shortlist if it's still for sale when I'm in
>the position to make an offer on somewhere?
I had a minor burglary a few months back, but one incident doesn't mean
much.
--
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Phil Rodgers
(Paul Oldham) wrote:
> In article <3c56796b$0$225$ed9e...@reading.news.pipex.net>,
> l...@it-fc.co.uk (Lee) growled:
>
> > Im looking to reloacate in Cambridge. I've been told to avoid Arbury,
> > Milton and Chesterton?
>
> Oh what basis? Both Arbury and Chesterton are a bit dodgy in parts,
> more especially the former
Grrr. Arbury ward actually has the *lowest* recorded crime rate in
Cambridge, with just 3% of the city's recorded crimes; the highest rate is
in Market ward (the city centre) with about 40%. Second I think was West
Chesterton.[1]
And the Kingsway flats have been greatly improved various recent bits of
work.
Because of Arbury's entirely undeserved reputation, it is possible to find
comparatively affordable housing here. When I moved to my 5-bed house here
in 1998, it cost me only 180% of the sale price of my small 1-bed flat
near Midsummer Common.
Phil Rodgers
Arbury resident & Lib Dem record holder for leaflet delivery to the
Kingsway flats (24 minutes).
[1] Figures from an article I remember reading in the CEN some time ago
which irritatingly enough I can't find on their site now.
Meles
> Grrr. Arbury ward actually has the *lowest* recorded crime rate in
> Cambridge, with just 3% of the city's recorded crimes; the highest rate is
> in Market ward (the city centre) with about 40%. Second I think was West
> Chesterton.[1]
>
> And the Kingsway flats have been greatly improved various recent bits of
> work.
>
> Because of Arbury's entirely undeserved reputation, it is possible to find
> comparatively affordable housing here. When I moved to my 5-bed house here
> in 1998, it cost me only 180% of the sale price of my small 1-bed flat
> near Midsummer Common.
>
It is interesting that phase 6 of the science park is nearing
completion, just accross the road from Arbury/Kings Hedges. Once the
execs start work, the affordable housing may be snapped up pretty
quick, so that they can walk to work.
Peter Ellis
>(Paul Oldham) wrote:
>
>Grrr. Arbury ward actually has the *lowest* recorded crime rate in
>Cambridge, with just 3% of the city's recorded crimes; the highest rate is
>in Market ward (the city centre) with about 40%. Second I think was West
>Chesterton.[1]
Meaningless. You need figures per head to assess your risk of being a
crime victim, which is presumably what people are worried about.
Given the huge crowds in the centre every day, I'm surprised it's not even
higher.
Peter
Robert Macmillan
l...@it-fc.co.uk (Lee) wrote:
> Hi
>
> Im looking to reloacate in Cambridge. Ive been told to avoid Arbury,
> Milton and Chesterton?
Absolutely. You want to avoid Trumpington, Girton and Oakington too. And
Cherry Hinton's not much cop. Bar Hill's nice and has some excellent
transport links.
HTH.
Robert
Mark Ayliffe
news:175975c6.02013...@posting.google.com...
>
> It is interesting that phase 6 of the science park is nearing
> completion, just accross the road from Arbury/Kings Hedges. Once the
> execs start work, the affordable housing may be snapped up pretty
> quick,
That just might be so
> so that they can walk to work.
That is however hopelessly optimistic.
Mark
Mark Ayliffe
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<...>
> My most obvious concern was the
> possibility of drunk and disorderly football fans piling out of the Abbey
> stadium and doing drunk and disorderly things in the Newmarket Road end of
> Ditton Walk.
From my experience of working in Newmarket Road for 15 plus years (including
being at the office occasionally on Saturdays) the worst problems occur when
Cambridge plays Millwall[1]. Not being a follower of Association Football I
never know when this is likely to occur until too late :(
Mark
[1] Rather a sad comment that someone so uninformed about the game as me is
able to identify such a correlation.
LNR
>"Meles" <mel...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>[buying houses near the science park]
>> so that they can walk to work.
>
>That is however hopelessly optimistic.
Really? I know quite a few people who walk or cycle to work in the
science park or other nearby business parks. And at least one friend
who chose her flat on the basis of being able to do just that.
Then again the number of estate agents ads which describe houses as
"convenient" for the science park meaning simply on the correct side of
the river seems to suggest that many people do indeed drive.
--
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Paul Rudin
LNR> Mark Ayliffe wrote:
>> "Meles" <mel...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>> [buying houses near the science park] so that they can walk to
>>> work.
>> That is however hopelessly optimistic.
LNR> Really? I know quite a few people who walk or cycle to work in
LNR> the science park or other nearby business parks.
Yeah, I work on Cowley road - and many of us walk or cycle to work
most days. I think I have the longest ride of our lot - between 4 and
5 miles, but even that journey is faster by bike than by car in the
busy rush hour traffic.
Mark Ayliffe
news:fJf*o3...@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk...
>
> Really? I know quite a few people who walk or cycle to work in the
> science park or other nearby business parks. And at least one friend
> who chose her flat on the basis of being able to do just that.
Me too, on both counts. But IME it is quite rare. As an extreme example, we
had a colleague who lived in Stanley Road and drove to work at SJIC. Then
took extended lunch breaks to visit the Gym. *sigh*
> Then again the number of estate agents ads which describe houses as
> "convenient" for the science park meaning simply on the correct side of
> the river seems to suggest that many people do indeed drive.
Well, that's estate agents for you!
Mark
Mark Ayliffe
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>
> Yeah, I work on Cowley road - and many of us walk or cycle to work
> most days. I think I have the longest ride of our lot - between 4 and
> 5 miles, but even that journey is faster by bike than by car in the
> busy rush hour traffic.
And the best bit is on those evenings when the traffic is a bit more fouled
up than usual and one can cycle past dozens & dozens of cars waiting to get
out of Cowley Road. Makes up for all the times the car drivers see us
pedalling home in the rain anyway!
Mark
Tony Sayer
<mel...@yahoo.co.uk> stuck his oar in and spake thus
What affordable housing?. A search of the estate agents in Cambridge now
returns nothing in the way of a single person 1 bed flat for less than
100 K unless your are retiring.
The next ones are around 110 to 120 this week and those price bands are
disappearing rapidly..
So assuming you are a single person wanting to buy a place of your own
then unless you're being helped by your parents, or have inherited
something then you need at least 30 K a year to get anywhere, and that's
if the build Soc. will take you on....
--
Tony Sayer
John Stark
> > opinions on Ditton Walk?
> I live quite close to there. I'm pretty sure that it isn't
> >...within 1/2 hour's walk of the station...
> unless you walk really fast.
I think it's pretty close. Stanley Road to station platform takes me just
under half an hour, going along Newmarket Road, New Street, across St
Matthew's Pieces to Sturton Street, down to Mill Road via Gwydir Street,
across and along Devonshire Road to the station car park. From Ditton Walk
you'd go across Coldhams Common, down Cromwell Road and Sedgwick Street,
along Mill Road for a bit, through to Greville Road and over the cycle
bridge. On a map the distance looks practically identical.
Ben Hutchings
That depends on which end of Ditton Walk is in question. Nevertheless,
it looks like I need to rethink my routes.
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Hugo 'NOx' Tyson
ph...@rodgers.cix.co.uk (Phil Rodgers) writes:
> Grrr. Arbury ward actually has the *lowest* recorded crime rate in
> Cambridge, with just 3% of the city's recorded crimes; the highest rate is
> in Market ward (the city centre) with about 40%. Second I think was West
> Chesterton.[1]
That's got to be because of people fighting in pubs and the occasional
mugging in the City Centre. And shoplifting? Only happens where there are
shops. I bet the figures are very different if you only count domestic
burglary and vandalism or theft of cars - which I would say are the issues
when choosing where to live.
I'm guessing that "recorded crimes" doesn't include speed camera tickets
issues per location of the speed camera though - that would clearly be
bogus.
NB, I'm not saying anything about Arbury or West Chesterton &c, just that
the apparant contrast between 40% and 3% is IMHO not relevent to the
question being asked.
- Huge
Mark Ayliffe
news:wwtsn8o...@masala.cambridge.redhat.com...
>
> That's got to be because of people fighting in pubs and the occasional
> mugging in the City Centre. And shoplifting? Only happens where there
are
> shops. I bet the figures are very different if you only count domestic
> burglary and vandalism or theft of cars - which I would say are the issues
> when choosing where to live.
>
> I'm guessing that "recorded crimes" doesn't include speed camera tickets
> issues per location of the speed camera though - that would clearly be
> bogus.
>
> NB, I'm not saying anything about Arbury or West Chesterton &c, just that
> the apparant contrast between 40% and 3% is IMHO not relevent to the
> question being asked.
I believe there's a study which the police did a while ago indicating that
the higher crime areas[1] are adjacent to Arbury ward, but that most of the
perps lived in the "Arbury" area. It was on the web, but I've not been able
to find it with a quick Google
Mark
[1] Just looking at burglaries IIRC
Michael M Mason
<mark.ayl...@nospam.pem.cam.andthis.ac.uk> wrote:
>I believe there's a study which the police did a while ago indicating that
>the higher crime areas[1] are adjacent to Arbury ward, but that most of the
>perps lived in the "Arbury" area. It was on the web, but I've not been able
>to find it with a quick Google
>
>[1] Just looking at burglaries IIRC
I understood that the detection rate for burglary was fairly
poor, which, if true, means that the police don't know who
committed the burglaries; if the police don't know who the
perps are, how can they claim to know where they live?
--
Michael
Mark Ayliffe
news:0o0g5us40p040mc2p...@4ax.com...
>
> I understood that the detection rate for burglary was fairly
> poor, which, if true, means that the police don't know who
> committed the burglaries; if the police don't know who the
> perps are, how can they claim to know where they live?
>
I think your analysis may be faulty. "fairly poor" does not mean none. It is
also possible that they may well know whodunnit, but not to a degree which
would bring about successful prosecution.
However I certainly agree that Cambridgeshire police seem to have a pretty
poor clear up rate and their priorities seem to be aeronautical rather than
judicial.
Mark
Mike Clark
That tells you that of the small proportion that are caught, a high
proportion live in the Arbury!
Maybe a majority of the rest also live in Arbury and it is a
representative sample that are caught?
Or maybe all the successful criminals live elsewhere?
Or maybe the police target the Arbury and hence find more criminals there?
Mike <URL:http://www.path.cam.ac.uk/~mrc7/>
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Simon Quinn
> From my experience of working in Newmarket Road for 15 plus years (including
> being at the office occasionally on Saturdays) the worst problems occur when
> Cambridge plays Millwall[1].
.. increasingly, a diminishing possibility.
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Michael M Mason
<mark.ayl...@nospam.pem.cam.andthis.ac.uk> wrote:
>"Michael M Mason" <ad...@cambridge-optical.com> wrote in message
>news:0o0g5us40p040mc2p...@4ax.com...
>>
>> I understood that the detection rate for burglary was fairly
>> poor, which, if true, means that the police don't know who
>> committed the burglaries; if the police don't know who the
>> perps are, how can they claim to know where they live?
>
>I think your analysis may be faulty. "fairly poor" does not mean none.
True. But you can't extrapolate from a subset unless you're
confident that the subset is representative of the whole.
Given that the subset is "crimes we solved" whilst the
remainder are "crimes we couldn't solve", there doesn't seem
to be grounds for thinking that the subset is
representative.
> It is
>also possible that they may well know whodunnit, but not to a degree which
>would bring about successful prosecution.
Not that many, I wouldn't have thought -- and in any case
it's not a very reliable basis for extrapolation.
--
Michael
Michael M Mason
<mr...@cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>In article <0o0g5us40p040mc2p...@4ax.com>, Michael M Mason
><URL:mailto:ad...@cambridge-optical.com> wrote:
>> I understood that the detection rate for burglary was fairly
>> poor, which, if true, means that the police don't know who
>> committed the burglaries; if the police don't know who the
>> perps are, how can they claim to know where they live?
>
>That tells you that of the small proportion that are caught, a high
>proportion live in the Arbury!
That's the conclusion I jumped to.
>Maybe a majority of the rest also live in Arbury and it is a
>representative sample that are caught?
Maybe, but you couldn't know that for a fact.
>Or maybe all the successful criminals live elsewhere?
>
>Or maybe the police target the Arbury and hence find more criminals there?
They sound like plausible alternatives...
--
Michael
Sion Arrowsmith
>Some bits of Chesterton IMO still do have a bit of village atmosphere. I do
>not live there, but I was tempted last time I was looking for a house.
Chesterton never felt like a village in nearly two years I lived
there. But I would have no hesitation about moving back.
>Other places to consider: Cherry Hinton, Histon.
Cherry Hinton has been practically our preferred location in
house hunting. It is possible to find affordable (ie not
significantly more expensive than the equivalent elsewhere)
places in Girton too, and that's very definitely a village.
We've even looked as far out as Fulbourn -- not within
walking or, really, casual cyclist distance, but does have
(on paper) as good a bus service as you'll find around here.
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Sion Arrowsmith
>I haven't put mine on the market yet because I can find few such properties
>for sale at the moment.
From (ongoing) experience: get it on the market now. If what
you're looking for is a rare commodity, when it comes along
you'll be able to do nothing about it unless you've already
got a buyer for yourself lined up, and while you're messing
about trying to do that, someone else who's more ready to
move will step in and snatch the one you want from under
your nose.
(Lesson one to be learnt from the list of "Things we got
wrong this time.")
Chris Brown
Sion Arrowsmith <si...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>We've even looked as far out as Fulbourn -- not within
>walking or, really, casual cyclist distance,
Actually Fulbourn to the city centre is a fairly easy cycle. You go out past
the back of Fulbourn Hospital, over the railway, up Fulbourn Old Drift,
along Coldhams lane for a few hundred metres, onto the footpath past the new
leisure development, along the length of Mill Road and you're in the city
centre. A much more direct route than is possible by car, and probably only
4-5 miles in total.
Fulbourn to the Science park is not ideal, as it's the wrong side of town.
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Mike Clark
<URL:mailto:si...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> John Stark <removethi...@andthis.ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> I haven't put mine on the market yet because I can find few such
>> properties for sale at the moment.
>
> From (ongoing) experience: get it on the market now. If what
> you're looking for is a rare commodity, when it comes along
> you'll be able to do nothing about it unless you've already
> got a buyer for yourself lined up, and while you're messing
> about trying to do that, someone else who's more ready to
> move will step in and snatch the one you want from under
> your nose.
>
> (Lesson one to be learnt from the list of "Things we got
> wrong this time.")
>
Quite a few of my friends have sold first and then moved into rented
accommodation in or Cambridge so that they could act quickly once they had
found a house on the market they wished to purchase. Given the nature of
the Cambridge housing market priority is often given to those who aren't in
a chain.
Stephen Turner
> However I certainly agree that Cambridgeshire police seem to have a pretty
> poor clear up rate and their priorities seem to be aeronautical rather than
> judicial.
>
pigs might fly?
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John Stark
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> John Stark <removethi...@andthis.ntlworld.com> wrote:
> >I haven't put mine on the market yet because I can find few such
properties
> >for sale at the moment.
>
> From (ongoing) experience: get it on the market now. If what
> you're looking for is a rare commodity, when it comes along
> you'll be able to do nothing about it unless you've already
> got a buyer for yourself lined up, and while you're messing
> about trying to do that, someone else who's more ready to
> move will step in and snatch the one you want from under
> your nose.
I don't think what I'm after is a rare commodity per se - there are
thousands of mid-sized terraced houses around Cambridge that would probably
go for £150-200k - it's just that (apart from executors) few people try to
sell them so soon after Christmas. If I rush to put mine on the market now
then:
(a) I have a very limited choice in what to buy
(b) there probably aren't (despite what the agent said) lots of potential
buyers around who'll beat a path to my door
(c) if I'm right about (b) my house may end up stuck on the market for ages,
and people will then think it's not worth looking at because it hasn't been
snapped up quicker
(d) if I'm wrong about (b) and get an offer quickly, it's likely to fall
through because they lose patience waiting for me to find somewhere and
agree a completion date
I do think I'd rather move soon than in the summer, when things happen so
quickly you have to make an offer straight after viewing without taking time
to think, but I'm unconvinced about trying it while the market's almost
totally dead.
Mike Clark
<URL:mailto:removethi...@andthis.ntlworld.com> wrote:
[snip]
>
> I don't think what I'm after is a rare commodity per se - there are
> thousands of mid-sized terraced houses around Cambridge that would probably
> go for £150-200k - it's just that (apart from executors) few people try to
> sell them so soon after Christmas. If I rush to put mine on the market now
> then:
>
> (d) if I'm wrong about (b) and get an offer quickly, it's likely to fall
> through because they lose patience waiting for me to find somewhere and
> agree a completion date
>
bank the cash, and thus become a cash buyer with no onward chain!
John Stark
and
> bank the cash, and thus become a cash buyer with no onward chain!
But then I'd have to worry about moving everything twice, storage, insurance
and not forgetting
<thread_convergence>
If I move direct to a new house that I've bought, I should be able to
persuade NTL to move my cable modem and telephone services there, keeping my
existing number. (Apparently they're still willing to install for existing
customers who move to new premises rather than lose them.) If I let it
lapse while I'm in a short-term rented place, then when I buy my new place
I'll count as a new customer, and as others have said they are reluctant to
sign up new customers at the moment unless the wiring is already there.
</thread_convergence>
Tim Ward
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>
> I believe there's a study which the police did a while ago indicating that
> the higher crime areas[1] are adjacent to Arbury ward, but that most of
the
> perps lived in the "Arbury" area. It was on the web, but I've not been
able
> to find it with a quick Google
I've got some more detailed numbers somewhere. I'm only going to spend time
digging them out if I'm seriously nagged, however, having had enough of
council papers for one week.
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>
> poor, which, if true, means that the police don't know who
> committed the burglaries; if the police don't know who the
> perps are, how can they claim to know where they live?
It think this falls down at the "if clear" stage. The clear up rate is
actually pretty good, and they "know" who done a good proportion of the
rest. Certainly when they put away a particular gang and the rate drops 40%
it gives them a good idea, even if they didn't have proof for many of them!
Tim Ward
>
> However I certainly agree that Cambridgeshire police seem to have a pretty
> poor clear up rate
Taken from which documents?
Matthew Freestone
Stark <removethi...@andthis.ntlworld.com> writes
>On the subject of respectability of areas, does anyone here have any
>opinions on Ditton Walk?
>
>valued at £140k. I'm looking to trade up to something with a bit more space
>(separate entrance hall, loft conversion potential etc.) up to £200k,
>preferably a scruffy one I can do up to my own liking over a few years.
>Must be within 1/2 hour's walk of the station, won't consider one without an
>"area" between front door and pavement.
I recently (July) bought a house fitting the requirements you mention
(apart from the scruffiness) on Perne Road - have you considered that
area?
In the hope that it might be vaguely useful to someone, I wrote about
how it all went: www.axiomatic.org.uk/personal/movetocam.html if you (or
anyone else) are interested.
hth,
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Francis Turton
> (and most of Milton village is much further away than that) and smell was
> only an issue on a couple of days.
>
I work on Cowley Road and on bad days you can smell the sewage works even
inside the building (with the windows closed). Outside, and in the Tesco car
park, I have been near to vomiting.
That said, for the 80% of the time that the winds are south-westerly, the
smell gets wafted safely over the Fens, to dissipate somewhere near
Waterbeach.
Incidentally, I've noticed that the smell seems to be worse in damp weather.
Is there a scientific explanation for this?
(Other than "Yes - you're clinically insane" etc.)
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Francis Turton
news:memo.2002013...@rmacmillan.compulink.co.uk...
> > Im looking to reloacate in Cambridge. Ive been told to avoid Arbury,
> > Milton and Chesterton?
>
> Absolutely. You want to avoid Trumpington, Girton and Oakington too. And
> Cherry Hinton's not much cop. Bar Hill's nice and has some excellent
> transport links.
>
What's wrong with Girton? I live there and find it most pleasant. However,
if you're earning less than £50, you can probably forget buying a house
here. (I have. Forgotten buying a house, I mean.)
I've been to Bar Hill once. Isn't it an out-of-town council estate? I'm not
knocking council estates, but... well, you know.
Francis Turton
>
> What's wrong with Girton? I live there and find it most pleasant. However,
> if you're earning less than £50, you can probably forget buying a house
> here. (I have. Forgotten buying a house, I mean.)
I mean £50K
Colin Rosenstiel
wrote:
> Mark Ayliffe wrote:
> >"Meles" <mel...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >>[buying houses near the science park]
> >> so that they can walk to work.
> >
> >That is however hopelessly optimistic.
>
> Really? I know quite a few people who walk or cycle to work in the
> science park or other nearby business parks. And at least one friend
> who chose her flat on the basis of being able to do just that.
>
> Then again the number of estate agents ads which describe houses as
> "convenient" for the science park meaning simply on the correct side of
> the river seems to suggest that many people do indeed drive.
Bizarre. When i worked at the Science Park I cycled from South of the
river. The journey was rather shorter than when i take my bike on the
train to London as I did today. 22 minutes from King's Cross to the office
and still quicker than the tube.
Colin Rosenstiel
Colin Rosenstiel
ben-publ...@decadentplace.org.uk (Ben Hutchings) wrote:
> In article <qeQ58.53594$ka7.8...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com>,
> John Stark <removethi...@andthis.ntlworld.com> wrote:
> >> > On the subject of respectability of areas, does anyone here have
> > > any
> >> > opinions on Ditton Walk?
> >> I live quite close to there. I'm pretty sure that it isn't
> >> >...within 1/2 hour's walk of the station...
> >> unless you walk really fast.
> >
> >I think it's pretty close. Stanley Road to station platform takes me
> >just under half an hour,
[snip]
> That depends on which end of Ditton Walk is in question. Nevertheless,
> it looks like I need to rethink my routes.
Or get a bike? About 10 minutes to the station.
Colin Rosenstiel
Mark Ayliffe
news:4dZ58.2979$zB.7...@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com...
> "Mark Ayliffe" <mark.ayl...@nospam.pem.cam.andthis.ac.uk> wrote in
> message news:LFT58.49$w_2.744@psinet-eu-nl...
> >
> > However I certainly agree that Cambridgeshire police seem to have a
pretty
> > poor clear up rate
>
> Taken from which documents?
>
I did a quick Google yesterday & found a Cambs police-bashing-site which
suggested 29% cf mid 30's% for the rest of East Anglia. However it was 2-3
years old and we all know you can make statistics say what you like. And
"clear up rate" is probably a pretty poor PI, what do the Police think?
Recent well publicised experiences of mugged victims ought to be enough
cause for concern anyway.
Mark
Naich
> I don't think what I'm after is a rare commodity per se - there are
> thousands of mid-sized terraced houses around Cambridge that would probably
> go for £150-200k - it's just that (apart from executors) few people try to
> sell them so soon after Christmas. If I rush to put mine on the market now
> then:
>
> (a) I have a very limited choice in what to buy
> (b) there probably aren't (despite what the agent said) lots of potential
> buyers around who'll beat a path to my door
In our experience, getting buyers round is the easy bit. Getting offers
that are acceptable is a bit more difficult and getting a buyer who
actually goes through with buying your house is bloody hard. We've been
going for 6 months now and are on our 4th buyer.
My advice would be to put your house on the market sooner rather than
later so you are in a position to buy in Cambridge at the right time.
Around xmas there are few houses for sale, but those that are for sale are
easier to get, due to less people buying. By summer there will be more
houses for sale, but you are going to be fighting the hordes for them. It
might be summer by the time you have a serious buyer anyway.
Having your house on the market (but not sold yet) might make you a viable
buyer for desperate winter sellers. If you don't find the one you want,
then by the time the summer houses come on the market you should have sold
yours and be in a good position to be taken seriously by the spoilt-for-
choice summer sellers.
I don't think the length of time that a house is on the market for puts
people off, especially as a lot of potential buyers will probably not be
from around where you are anyway, and won't even know that it has been on
the market for ages.
Naich.
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MC> Quite a few of my friends have sold first and then moved into
MC> rented accommodation in or Cambridge so that they could act
MC> quickly once they had found a house on the market they wished to
MC> purchase. Given the nature of the Cambridge housing market
MC> priority is often given to those who aren't in a chain.
Yup, when we moved to Cambridge 3 years ago (how time flies :-)). We
ended up selling our place in London first, renting short term in
London whilst we found a place to buy in Cambridge.
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francis...@spamless.ntlworld.com (Francis Turton) wrote:
As a first-time buyer, for sure. But how many have ever been able to so
that?
Colin Rosenstiel
Mike Clark
So Girton is not for most academics even at the top of their scales
then?
Lecturer ~30K
Senior Lecturer ~34K
Robert Macmillan
(Mike Clark) wrote:
> In article <qeZ58.43275$4i5.5...@news11-gui.server.ntli.net>,
> Francis Turton <URL:mailto:francis...@spamless.ntlworld.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> What's wrong with Girton? I live there and find it most pleasant.
> >> However, if you're earning less than £50, you can probably forget
> > buying
> >> a house here. (I have. Forgotten buying a house, I mean.)
> >
> > I mean £50K
> >
>
> So Girton is not for most academics even at the top of their scales
> then?
>
> Lecturer ~30K
> Senior Lecturer ~34K
People seem to forget history at the tops of markets. In 1985 I bought a
3-bed semi at the end of a cul-de-sac in Girton for £39k. In 1989 a
similar one sold for £100k. I sold mine in 1995 for £66k, an increase in
value not far different to the rate of inflation.
Robert
Mike Clark
Robert Macmillan <URL:mailto:rmacm...@cix.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <ant311245f7fPk=+@mrc7acorn1.path.cam.ac.uk>, mr...@cam.ac.uk
> (Mike Clark) wrote:
>>
>> So Girton is not for most academics even at the top of their scales
>> then?
>>
>> Lecturer ~30K
>> Senior Lecturer ~34K
>
> People seem to forget history at the tops of markets. In 1985 I bought a
> 3-bed semi at the end of a cul-de-sac in Girton for £39k. In 1989 a
> similar one sold for £100k. I sold mine in 1995 for £66k, an increase in
> value not far different to the rate of inflation.
>
>
> Robert
>
1) House prices and the costs of mortgages are a contribution to
calculations of rates of inflation.
2) Academic salaries have not kept pace with inflation.
Robert Macmillan
(Mike Clark) wrote:
> In article <memo.20020131...@rmacmillan.compulink.co.uk>,
> Robert Macmillan <URL:mailto:rmacm...@cix.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <ant311245f7fPk=+@mrc7acorn1.path.cam.ac.uk>,
> > mr...@cam.ac.uk (Mike Clark) wrote:
> [snip]
> >>
> >> So Girton is not for most academics even at the top of their scales
> >> then?
> >>
> >> Lecturer ~30K
> >> Senior Lecturer ~34K
> >
> > People seem to forget history at the tops of markets. In 1985 I
> > bought a 3-bed semi at the end of a cul-de-sac in Girton for £39k. In
> > 1989 a similar one sold for £100k. I sold mine in 1995 for £66k, an
> > increase in value not far different to the rate of inflation.
> >
> Two things.
>
> 1) House prices and the costs of mortgages are a contribution to
> calculations of rates of inflation.
If house prices have increased in line with inflation then either they
haven't pushed it one way or the other or they swamp everything else in
the calculation. The second of these is not true. (In fact, I think house
prices are insufficiently represented in the inflation calculation.)
> 2) Academic salaries have not kept pace with inflation.
I wouldn't know. The major point here is that you shouldn't judge whether
house prices are affordable in an absolute sense only at the top of the
cycle. The claim at the top should have a caveat such as "So Girton is not
currently for most academics ..." or some such.
Robert
Frances Amrani
"Robert Macmillan" <rmacm...@cix.co.uk> wrote in message
news:memo.2002013...@rmacmillan.compulink.co.uk...
You want to avoid Trumpington, Girton and Oakington too. And
> Cherry Hinton's not much cop. Bar Hill's nice and has some excellent
> transport links.
>
Cherry Hinton is a great place to live and Girton and Trumpington aren't bad
but Bar Hill having excellent transport links???
Have I missed something or is that traffic jam all the way to Bar Hill and
back at rush hour just a figment of my imagination?
You can cycle form Cherry Hinton to central Cambridge in under 20 minutes,
or get a bus and yes I have even walked it once or twice! I'm not knocking
Bar Hill, it has a great shopping centre, but easily accessible at peak
times it isn't.
Frances
Stephen Turner
> "Robert Macmillan" <rmacm...@cix.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:memo.2002013...@rmacmillan.compulink.co.uk...
>
>>You want to avoid Trumpington, Girton and Oakington too. And
>
>>Cherry Hinton's not much cop. Bar Hill's nice and has some excellent
>>transport links.
>>
>>
>
> Cherry Hinton is a great place to live and Girton and Trumpington aren't bad
> but Bar Hill having excellent transport links???
> Have I missed something
It was supposed to be a joke, wasn't it?
Tim Ward
> "Tim Ward" <t...@brettward.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:4dZ58.2979$zB.7...@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com...
> > "Mark Ayliffe" <mark.ayl...@nospam.pem.cam.andthis.ac.uk> wrote in
> > message news:LFT58.49$w_2.744@psinet-eu-nl...
> > >
> > > However I certainly agree that Cambridgeshire police seem to have a
> pretty
> > > poor clear up rate
> >
> > Taken from which documents?
>
> I did a quick Google yesterday & found a Cambs police-bashing-site which
> suggested 29% cf mid 30's% for the rest of East Anglia.
I found those figures astonishingly high, given that public perception is
that clear-up rates are in single figures. And most clear-up figures don't
include the we-know-who-dunnit ones either.
Mark Ayliffe
>
> I found those figures astonishingly high, given that public perception is
> that clear-up rates are in single figures. And most clear-up figures don't
> include the we-know-who-dunnit ones either.
Fairy 'nuff. But that you probably know better than most what are "good"
figures and what aren't. Which adds another pointlessness to the statistics
really. And it's all just so the average Daily Mail reader gets a simple
number that (s)he can digest. A bit like school league tables really, fairly
meaningless.
They certainly cleared up the only crime I've reported. They knew-who-dunnit
before they even arrived on our doorstep, as we were the fourth house in the
area that evening.
But if the clear-up-rate is what actually drives the police's activities
then they are more likely to spend time tracking down the teenage gangs who
do fifty break-ins a month than the serial killers/rapists/muggers who only
strike once a year. _Possibly_ one of the reasons for the heliocopeter given
how they seem to use it. Points system anyone?
Mark
Tim Ward
>
> But if the clear-up-rate is what actually drives the police's activities
> then they are more likely to spend time tracking down the teenage gangs
who
> do fifty break-ins a month than the serial killers/rapists/muggers who
only
> strike once a year.
Well, of course it's rather more complicated than that, and looks vaguely
sort-of intelligent to me, given that different people will have different
priorities. The whole raft of documentation may or may not yet be easily
accessible on the police web site.
Mark Ayliffe
>
> Well, of course it's rather more complicated than that, and looks vaguely
> sort-of intelligent to me, given that different people will have different
> priorities. The whole raft of documentation may or may not yet be easily
> accessible on the police web site.
>
I thought it wasn't which was why I'd looked elsewhere. But I was looking in
the wrong place :( My fault.
For 2000/2001 they report a reduced detection rate of 23.8% against a target
of 25%, though they also report a reduced recorded crime rate. These are of
course for the whole county, there don't seem to be any figures broken down
into areas.
No representative of Cambridge city on the Authority I see?
Mark
Tim Ward
>
> No representative of Cambridge city on the Authority I see?
I've no idea how the police authority gets appointed but you may note
(1) it has county councillors on it, not city/district councillors
(2) the county council has a Tory majority
(3) there aren't very many Tory county councillors representing Cambridge
city.
Mark Ayliffe
> "Mark Ayliffe" <mark.ayl...@nospam.pem.cam.andthis.ac.uk> wrote in
> message news:Nph68.39$W25.953@psinet-eu-nl...
> >
> > No representative of Cambridge city on the Authority I see?
>
> I've no idea how the police authority gets appointed but you may note
>
> (1) it has county councillors on it, not city/district councillors
> (2) the county council has a Tory majority
> (3) there aren't very many Tory county councillors representing Cambridge
> city.
>
It sez 'ere[1]:
The Police Authority for Cambridgeshire has seventeen members, of whom:
Seven are appointed by Cambridgeshire County Council;
Two are appointed by the unitary authority of Peterborough;
Five are independent representatives from the community; and
Three are magistrates appointed by the County's Magistrates' Court
Committee.
So the majority are political appointments.
I wonder how the "independent representatives from the community" are
selected?
Mark
[1] http://www.cambs-police.co.uk/caminfo/plansandreports/lpp/home.html
Francis Turton
news:ant311245f7fPk=+...@mrc7acorn1.path.cam.ac.uk...
> In article <qeZ58.43275$4i5.5...@news11-gui.server.ntli.net>,
> Francis Turton <URL:mailto:francis...@spamless.ntlworld.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> What's wrong with Girton? I live there and find it most pleasant.
> >> However, if you're earning less than £50, you can probably forget
buying
> >> a house here. (I have. Forgotten buying a house, I mean.)
> >
> > I mean £50K
> >
>
> So Girton is not for most academics even at the top of their scales
> then?
>
> Lecturer ~30K
> Senior Lecturer ~34K
>
I have to confess I haven't done a survey. I do know though that as a single
person earning what I used to consider a reasonable salary, the last time I
looked I couldn't find _anywhere_ I would want to live[1] within 10 miles or
so of the city. As it happens I don't mind renting, except that I'll be
stuffed when I retire if I don't buy fairly soon.
Interesting you should mention academics - my landlord is one, and he lives
in the large house adjacent to mine. However, he was fortunate enough to
inherit it, and it is now on the market for £500K. Lucky b******!
[1] As I have a large number of books, a 1-bed flat isn't really an option.
Even if it were, most of them would be out of my range.
Paul Rudin
Mark> I wonder how the "independent representatives from the
Mark> community" are selected?
Indeed.
Colin Rosenstiel
mark.ayl...@nospam.pem.cam.andthis.ac.uk (Mark Ayliffe) wrote:
> "Tim Ward" <t...@brettward.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:Izh68.3307$IY1.7...@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com...
> > "Mark Ayliffe" <mark.ayl...@nospam.pem.cam.andthis.ac.uk> wrote
> > > in message news:Nph68.39$W25.953@psinet-eu-nl...
> > >
> > > No representative of Cambridge city on the Authority I see?
> >
> > I've no idea how the police authority gets appointed but you may note
> >
> > (1) it has county councillors on it, not city/district councillors
> > (2) the county council has a Tory majority
> > (3) there aren't very many Tory county councillors representing
> > Cambridge city.
None at all on the County Council in fact. They have 3 City Councillors
out of 42, for now.
> It sez 'ere[1]:
>
> The Police Authority for Cambridgeshire has seventeen members, of whom:
>
> Seven are appointed by Cambridgeshire County Council;
> Two are appointed by the unitary authority of Peterborough;
> Five are independent representatives from the community; and
> Three are magistrates appointed by the County's Magistrates' Court
> Committee.
>
> So the majority are political appointments.
>
> I wonder how the "independent representatives from the community" are
> selected?
>
> Mark
> [1] http://www.cambs-police.co.uk/caminfo/plansandreports/lpp/home.html
by the other members of the authority or by the Home Secretary on their
advice, I forget which.
Colin Rosenstiel
Mark Ayliffe
news:memo.20020201...@colin.rosenstiel.cix.co.uk...
<appointments to the police authority>
> by the other members of the authority or by the Home Secretary on their
> advice, I forget which.
So that's just three "normal" people not appointed by politicians than. Oh,
they're magistrates. Ho hum.
Mark
Robert Macmillan
sret...@adelie.DELETE.freeserve.co.uk (Stephen Turner) wrote:
> Frances Amrani wrote:
>
> > "Robert Macmillan" <rmacm...@cix.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:memo.2002013...@rmacmillan.compulink.co.uk...
> >
> >>You want to avoid Trumpington, Girton and Oakington too. And
> >>Cherry Hinton's not much cop. Bar Hill's nice and has some excellent
> >>transport links.
> >
> > Cherry Hinton is a great place to live and Girton and Trumpington
> > aren't bad but Bar Hill having excellent transport links???
> > Have I missed something
>
> It was supposed to be a joke, wasn't it?
Hooray! Obviously my supposed jokes are incompatible with people whose
names match "Franc?s". (This comes as no surprise.)
Robert
Robert Macmillan
t...@brettward.co.uk (Tim Ward) wrote:
> > I did a quick Google yesterday & found a Cambs police-bashing-site
> > which suggested 29% cf mid 30's% for the rest of East Anglia.
>
> I found those figures astonishingly high, given that public perception
> is that clear-up rates are in single figures. And most clear-up figures
> don't include the we-know-who-dunnit ones either.
At the risk of being called a bleeding heart liberal can I modify that to
"we-think-we-know-who-dunnit" ones. Of course, they also don't include the
crime that doesn't get reported because people don't think they'll get any
joy from the police. And it does include the "look, you've admitted ten
offences, why not just admit these other 153 and we'll go a bit easier on
you" clear-ups.
All of which makes figures like this rather unreliable.
Robert
Mark Ayliffe
>
> At the risk of being called a bleeding heart liberal can I modify that to
> "we-think-we-know-who-dunnit" ones. Of course, they also don't include the
> crime that doesn't get reported because people don't think they'll get any
> joy from the police. And it does include the "look, you've admitted ten
> offences, why not just admit these other 153 and we'll go a bit easier on
> you" clear-ups.
>
> All of which makes figures like this rather unreliable.
>
Very true indeed, but such "adjustment" is probably fairly consistent
countrywide and so it is fairly clear that Cambridgeshire Police _is_
underperforming, particularly when compared with other "similar" areas. This
is about the only usefulness of these figures as they can have hardly any
validity in any absolute sense. And although it's clear from the report that
the authors had access to numbers by area within the county, they haven't
published any, so we have no idea how Cambridge city compares.
Mark
Robert Macmillan
mark.ayl...@nospam.pem.cam.andthis.ac.uk (Mark Ayliffe) wrote:
> "Robert Macmillan" <rmacm...@cix.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:memo.20020201...@rmacmillan.compulink.co.uk...
> >
> > At the risk of being called a bleeding heart liberal can I modify
> > that to "we-think-we-know-who-dunnit" ones. Of course, they also don't
> > include the
> > crime that doesn't get reported because people don't think they'll
> > get any joy from the police. And it does include the "look, you've
> > admitted ten
> > offences, why not just admit these other 153 and we'll go a bit
> > easier on you" clear-ups.
> >
> > All of which makes figures like this rather unreliable.
> >
>
> Very true indeed, but such "adjustment" is probably fairly consistent
> countrywide and so it is fairly clear that Cambridgeshire Police _is_
> underperforming, particularly when compared with other "similar" areas.
But there is so much fundamental inaccuracy that you can't compare them
with anything. The inaccuracies aren't likely to be identical from place
to place. "similar" is not measurable.
Robert
Anthony Naggs
Stark <removethi...@andthis.ntlworld.com> wrote
>> > On the subject of respectability of areas, does anyone here have any
>> > opinions on Ditton Walk?
>> I live quite close to there. I'm pretty sure that it isn't
>> >...within 1/2 hour's walk of the station...
>> unless you walk really fast.
>
>I think it's pretty close.
I've managed it from Ditton Lane/Newmarket Road - just. A brisk walk
though.
> Stanley Road to station platform takes me just
>under half an hour, going along Newmarket Road, New Street, across St
>Matthew's Pieces to Sturton Street, down to Mill Road via Gwydir Street,
>across and along Devonshire Road to the station car park. From Ditton Walk
>you'd go across Coldhams Common, down Cromwell Road and Sedgwick Street,
>along Mill Road for a bit,
I'd go along Mill Road, over the bridge, down Devonshire Road and from
the knee bend through into the station car park. (There was a gap in
the fence giving a slight shortcut from the footpath under the cycle
bridge.)
>through to Greville Road and over the cycle
>bridge. On a map the distance looks practically identical.
Tony
--
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because without it one deteriorates." - Nelson Mandela
Meldrew of Meldreth
Turton <francis...@spamless.ntlworld.com> writes
>Incidentally, I've noticed that the smell seems to be worse in damp weather.
>Is there a scientific explanation for this?
Presumably because the otherwise dried out substances adhering to the
sides of the storm water tanks and other processing vats are
re-hydrated.
--
This posting is handtyped from natural materials. Minor blemishes are part of
its character and appeal.
Meldrew of Meldreth
<ad...@cambridge-optical.com> writes
>I understood that the detection rate for burglary was fairly
>poor, which, if true, means that the police don't know who
>committed the burglaries; if the police don't know who the
>perps are, how can they claim to know where they live?
They know who they are, but can't prove it?
Lesley Mitchell
>
> Mark Ayliffe wrote:
> >"Meles" <mel...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >>[buying houses near the science park]
> >> so that they can walk to work.
> >
> >That is however hopelessly optimistic.
>
> Really? I know quite a few people who walk or cycle to work in the
> science park or other nearby business parks. And at least one friend
> who chose her flat on the basis of being able to do just that.
>
We drive to SJIC/Zeus House/Cowley road, which is probably because it's
15miles. However, I did cycle home on a couple of occasions. It's
fairly pleasant once you've got past Milton.
L.
--
LESLEY MITCHELL
Sponsor me for the Mencap Nile Bike Ride - 10th-17th Feb 2002
http://www.geah.org/nilebikeride/
Rhodri James
Colin Rosenstiel <rosen...@cix.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <5fl83a...@127.0.0.1>,
> ben-publ...@decadentplace.org.uk (Ben Hutchings) wrote:
> > In article <qeQ58.53594$ka7.8...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com>,
> > John Stark <removethi...@andthis.ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > >> > On the subject of respectability of areas, does anyone here have
> > > > any
> > >> > opinions on Ditton Walk?
> > >> I live quite close to there. I'm pretty sure that it isn't
> > >> >...within 1/2 hour's walk of the station...
> > >> unless you walk really fast.
> > >
> > >I think it's pretty close. Stanley Road to station platform takes me
> > >just under half an hour,
> [snip]
> > That depends on which end of Ditton Walk is in question. Nevertheless,
> > it looks like I need to rethink my routes.
> Or get a bike? About 10 minutes to the station.
The thought of JAS on a bike is not one I want to think about hard.
Seriously John, Ditton Walk is about half a mile or so further away from
the station, which is probably going to edge you over the half hour even
at your walking speed :-)
--
Rhodri James *-* Wildebeeste herder to the masses
If you don't know who I work for, you can't misattribute my words to them
... I'm sure I had a life around here somewhere
Francis T
FTR, my first assumption was that you weren't serious, but I thought
about it a while and came to the conclusion that I was perhaps
mistaken since
(a) most cam.misc'ers are intelligent, mature people who don't take
pleasure in misleading new posters and
(b) beyond the comment's simple inaccuracy, it didn't bear any of the
usual characteristics of a joke.
The lesson is presumably never to give anyone called Robert the
benefit of the doubt.
Paul Bolchover
Lee <l...@it-fc.co.uk> wrote:
>Hi
>
>Im looking to reloacate in Cambridge. Ive been told to avoid Arbury, Milton
>and Chesterton?
>
>Im looking for an village location approx 2-3 miles from the centre of town.
>Any suggestions?
Given that you said that you're looking around the 140,000
mark, how about Histon? There have been quite a few houses there
going for around 135,000 over the last couple of months...
Paul Bolchover
Robert Macmillan
ftu...@3glab.com (Francis T) wrote:
> rmacm...@cix.co.uk (Robert Macmillan) wrote in message
> news:<memo.20020201...@rmacmillan.compulink.co.uk>...
> > In article <3C598925...@adelie.DELETE.freeserve.co.uk>,
> > sret...@adelie.DELETE.freeserve.co.uk (Stephen Turner) wrote:
> >
> > > Frances Amrani wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Robert Macmillan" <rmacm...@cix.co.uk> wrote in message
> > > > news:memo.2002013...@rmacmillan.compulink.co.uk...
> > > >
> > > >>You want to avoid Trumpington, Girton and Oakington too. And
> > > >>Cherry Hinton's not much cop. Bar Hill's nice and has some
> > > >>excellent transport links.
> > > >
> > > > Cherry Hinton is a great place to live and Girton and Trumpington
> > > > aren't bad but Bar Hill having excellent transport links???
> > > > Have I missed something
> > >
> > > It was supposed to be a joke, wasn't it?
> >
> > Hooray! Obviously my supposed jokes are incompatible with people
> > whose names match "Franc?s". (This comes as no surprise.)
>
> FTR, my first assumption was that you weren't serious, but I thought
> about it a while and came to the conclusion that I was perhaps
> mistaken since
>
> (a) most cam.misc'ers are intelligent, mature people who don't take
> pleasure in misleading new posters and
Well, I never wanted to be most people in any respect.
> (b) beyond the comment's simple inaccuracy, it didn't bear any of the
> usual characteristics of a joke.
Oh, don't you start as well. Anyway, what do you mean "inaccuracy"?
> The lesson is presumably never to give anyone called Robert the
> benefit of the doubt.
I would have thought the opposite... I dunno, see what I get for trying to
keep house prices down in Cambridge.
Robert
Al Grant
> In article <qeZ58.43275$4i5.5...@news11-gui.server.ntli.net>,
> Francis Turton <URL:mailto:francis...@spamless.ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> So Girton is not for most academics even at the top of their scales
> then?
>
> Lecturer ~30K
> Senior Lecturer ~34K
What's the average _income_ for an academic at the top of their scale,
when you take college position, outside earnings etc. into account?
And of course some will have a partner's income.
Tim Ward
>
> And although it's clear from the report that
> the authors had access to numbers by area within the county, they haven't
> published any, so we have no idea how Cambridge city compares.
The figures are given out by sector each quarter at the local consultation
meetings. As I've said before these are public meetings which you are
welcome to attend.
Mike Clark
<URL:mailto:alg...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
[snip]
> What's the average _income_ for an academic at the top of their scale,
> when you take college position, outside earnings etc. into account?
> And of course some will have a partner's income.
I don't know the answer to your question, but it is true that University
employed academics are allowed to take on College appointments (with a
limit on earnings before it affects their salary) and they are allowed to
take on external e.g. consultancy work, in their own time and provided it
does not impinge on their University contracted time.
However don't assume that this applies to all, or even most academics. I
know many lecturers, including myself, who do not have any College
appointments. In Oxford the offer of a College appointment alongside a
University teaching post is automatic, in Cambridge it is not.
Mike <URL:http://www.path.cam.ac.uk/~mrc7/>
--
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<\__,\\ // __o | \ / /\, "A mountain climbing, cycling, skiing,
"> || _`\<,_ |__\ \> | immunology lecturer, antibody engineer and
` || (_)/ (_) | \corn computer user"
Tim Ward
>
> However don't assume that this applies to all, or even most academics. I
> know many lecturers, including myself, who do not have any College
> appointments. In Oxford the offer of a College appointment alongside a
> University teaching post is automatic, in Cambridge it is not.
I'm told that it's sometimes easier to get an unpaid college position than a
paid one. You still get the free dinners. Whether you want them or not
depends on the college, of course.
Patrick Gosling
Tim Ward <t...@brettward.co.uk> wrote:
>I'm told that it's sometimes easier to get an unpaid college position than a
>paid one. You still get the free dinners. Whether you want them or not
>depends on the college, of course.
The situation is far more complicated than you suggest: there are four
completely different kinds of college fellowships. In no particular
order:
1) Junior Research Fellow (stipendiary). Typically restricted to people who
have just completed or are about to complete their PhD. In the last year
or so, the annual stipend has seemed to be in the general vicinity of
12k or 13k. Free dinners and free accommodation provided (people with
their own arrangements for housing sometimes get paid a bit more (depends
on the college, I think)).
2) Junior Research Fellow (non-stipendiary). As above, but without the
stipend. I suppose that the competition for these is likely to be
different from the competition for the previous category, but (judging
by skimming the reporter), the total number available I think is
probably fewer.
3) Fellow (UTO). A university teaching officer may be offered a fellowship
of a college. There is, however, no requirement that this happen (although
there is a quotaing system for professorships, bizarrely). In this case,
the university imposes the restriction that the college not pay a stipend
(I think), although _some_ payments for particular services (other than
teaching) by the college may be allowed (I think).
4) Fellow (CTO). A small number of college fellowships are fully salaried
by the college. The numbers of these (I believe) are very few indeed.
[ all the above is my impression gleaned from a large number of sources;
there are probably better informed people reading this who can point out
my inaccuracies ]
-patrick.
Colin Rosenstiel
mark.ayl...@nospam.pem.cam.andthis.ac.uk (Mark Ayliffe) wrote:
It has a highly political role so why not a directly elected police
authority?
Colin Rosenstiel
Tim Ward
news:a3eur7$kq3$1...@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk...
> In article <uwC68.11007$IY1.1...@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com>,
> Tim Ward <t...@brettward.co.uk> wrote:
> >I'm told that it's sometimes easier to get an unpaid college position
than a
> >paid one. You still get the free dinners. Whether you want them or not
> >depends on the college, of course.
>
> The situation is far more complicated than you suggest: there are four
> completely different kinds of college fellowships. In no particular
> order:
[There's at least a fifth type. That's how I get my college dinners :-)]
Yes, it was the
> 3) Fellow (UTO).
I was thinking of.
Patrick Gosling
Tim Ward <t...@brettward.co.uk> wrote:
>"Patrick Gosling" <jp...@eng.cam.ac.uk> wrote in message
>news:a3eur7$kq3$1...@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk...
>> completely different kinds of college fellowships. In no particular
>> order:
>
>[There's at least a fifth type. That's how I get my college dinners :-)]
Ouch. That's where incautious editing gets you. Can I pretend that I
originally wrote "at least four" instead of "four", please? [ that's
certainly what I intended ].
There's certainly a large number of special cases that don't fit into
the four categories I described, but I _think_ that they tend to be
of a one-off nature (although I suspect there's at least one major
category I've forgotten as well).
-patrick.
Ben Hutchings
Colin Rosenstiel <rosen...@cix.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <5fl83a...@127.0.0.1>,
>ben-publ...@decadentplace.org.uk (Ben Hutchings) wrote:
>
>> In article <qeQ58.53594$ka7.8...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com>,
>> John Stark <removethi...@andthis.ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> >> > On the subject of respectability of areas, does anyone here have
>> > > any
>> >> > opinions on Ditton Walk?
>> >> I live quite close to there. I'm pretty sure that it isn't
>> >> >...within 1/2 hour's walk of the station...
>> >> unless you walk really fast.
>> >
>> >I think it's pretty close. Stanley Road to station platform takes me
>> >just under half an hour,
>
>[snip]
>
>> That depends on which end of Ditton Walk is in question. Nevertheless,
>> it looks like I need to rethink my routes.
>
>Or get a bike? About 10 minutes to the station.
Oh I have a bike, but I'm probably not riding it on the best routes.
It probably takes me at least 15 minutes to ride there by my current,
less direct, route.
--
Ben Hutchings | personal web site: http://womble.decadentplace.org.uk/
Never put off till tomorrow what you can avoid all together.
Mark Ayliffe
> "Mark Ayliffe" <mark.ayl...@nospam.pem.cam.andthis.ac.uk> wrote in
> message news:bou68.20$L87.605@psinet-eu-nl...
> >
> > And although it's clear from the report that
> > the authors had access to numbers by area within the county, they
haven't
> > published any, so we have no idea how Cambridge city compares.
>
> The figures are given out by sector each quarter at the local consultation
> meetings. As I've said before these are public meetings which you are
> welcome to attend.
That may be so, but in the context of trying to find this out with a web
browser right now (OK on Friday), I can't find the numbers. FWIW I wasn't
actually complaining about the lack of availability, just commenting.
However, we're getting more & more used to being able to get at information
instantly and sooner or later this sort of hidden room/locked filing
cabinet/beware of the leopard approach is going to be unacceptable. It is
rather good to see that some of our public services[1] are actually ahead of
the game, albeit with poorly constructed web sites.
Mark
[1] Mostly city & county council services IMHO.
Mark Ayliffe
news:memo.20020201...@colin.rosenstiel.cix.co.uk...
>
> authority?
Indeed, that would limit the options for cronyism a bit at least. And no,
I'm not suggesting that the present Police Authority suffers from this one
little bit. I wouldn't know, though you might ;-)
Mark
Mark Ayliffe
news:46sh3a...@192.168.1.1...
>
> Oh I have a bike, but I'm probably not riding it on the best routes.
> It probably takes me at least 15 minutes to ride there by my current,
> less direct, route.
Just on the offchance you haven't seen this:
http://www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/sub/eandt/highways/cambridge/cycmap.jpg
shows a great, but probably non-obvious cycle route from Ditton walk to the
Station.
It's apparently 685KB so you may have to wait a minute or two unless you're
on a fast link.
Mark
Mike Clark
> "Patrick Gosling" <jp...@eng.cam.ac.uk> wrote in message
> news:a3eur7$kq3$1...@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk...
>> In article <uwC68.11007$IY1.1...@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com>, Tim
>> Ward <t...@brettward.co.uk> wrote:
>>> I'm told that it's sometimes easier to get an unpaid college position
>>> than a paid one. You still get the free dinners. Whether you want them
>>> or not depends on the college, of course.
> >
> > The situation is far more complicated than you suggest: there are four
> > completely different kinds of college fellowships. In no particular
> > order:
>
> [There's at least a fifth type. That's how I get my college dinners :-)]
>
> Yes, it was the
>
> > 3) Fellow (UTO).
>
> I was thinking of.
>
Yes but the concept of privileges for an unpaid fellowship is slightly
misleading. The fellowship itself might be non-stipendiary and may offer
"free meals", but there is likely to be an obligation to take on other
duties for the College including such things as supervisions, director of
studies, student selection, committee membership. These extra duties
involve a committment of extra time working for the College.
Mike Clark, <URL:http://www.path.cam.ac.uk/~mrc7/>
Colin Rosenstiel
(Mike Clark) wrote:
> In article <olD68.11317$IY1.1...@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com>, Tim
> Ward <URL:mailto:t...@brettward.co.uk> wrote:
> > "Patrick Gosling" <jp...@eng.cam.ac.uk> wrote in message
> > news:a3eur7$kq3$1...@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk...
> >> In article <uwC68.11007$IY1.1...@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com>,
> >> Tim Ward <t...@brettward.co.uk> wrote:
> >>> I'm told that it's sometimes easier to get an unpaid college
> >>> position than a paid one. You still get the free dinners. Whether
> >>> you want them or not depends on the college, of course.
> > >
> > > The situation is far more complicated than you suggest: there are
> > > four completely different kinds of college fellowships. In no
> > > particular order:
> >
> > [There's at least a fifth type. That's how I get my college dinners
> > :-)]
> >
> > Yes, it was the
> >
> > > 3) Fellow (UTO).
> >
> > I was thinking of.
>
> Yes but the concept of privileges for an unpaid fellowship is slightly
> misleading. The fellowship itself might be non-stipendiary and may offer
> "free meals", but there is likely to be an obligation to take on other
> duties for the College including such things as supervisions, director
> of studies, student selection, committee membership. These extra duties
> involve a committment of extra time working for the College.
TANSTAAFL, as they say. :-)
Colin Rosenstiel