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Protocol/ethics of putting posters on railings in Cambridge?
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Michael Kilpatrick
Oct 6, 2017, 8:51:44 AM10/6/17
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My band is playing in Great St Mary's in November (we're doing Duke
Ellington's version of the Nutcracker Suite) and I'm having a few
posters printed and fliers to go in the church and elsewhere.
Around Cambridge are several sites with railings which are usually
covered in posters: St Bene't's church, St Botolph's near Pembroke, All
Saints Garden on Trinity/St John's St, and one or two more.
What exactly is the protocol for getting posters on those railings? How
many of such things are actually done with permission, does anyone know?
Michael
Ellington's version of the Nutcracker Suite) and I'm having a few
posters printed and fliers to go in the church and elsewhere.
Around Cambridge are several sites with railings which are usually
covered in posters: St Bene't's church, St Botolph's near Pembroke, All
Saints Garden on Trinity/St John's St, and one or two more.
What exactly is the protocol for getting posters on those railings? How
many of such things are actually done with permission, does anyone know?
Michael
Alan
Oct 6, 2017, 10:37:18 AM10/6/17
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Tim Ward
Oct 6, 2017, 11:39:16 AM10/6/17
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providing helpful community information against making the place look
untidy (with complicated things to do with ownership of railings,
planning laws etc coming into it).
Last time I was involved the council's position was to live and let live
provided it didn't get out of hand, with the
not-letting-it-get-out-of-hand bit delegated to the railing owners
(failing which the Rangers would, in theory, be sent round with some
side cutters, but I don't think this has ever been necessary). So you
have a choice between
(1) sticking up the posters and seeing whether they survive, or
(2) asking the railing owners for permission first.
In either case you'll have a better chance if your posters are no larger
than A4, and you'll have a better chance next time of asking if you
remove them as soon as they're out of date.
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Tim Ward - 07801 703 600
www.brettward.co.uk
Michael Kilpatrick
Oct 6, 2017, 11:45:49 AM10/6/17
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On 06/10/2017 16:39, Tim Ward wrote:
> On 06/10/2017 13:51, Michael Kilpatrick wrote:
>> What exactly is the protocol for getting posters on those railings?
>> How many of such things are actually done with permission, does anyone
>> know?
>
>
> On 06/10/2017 13:51, Michael Kilpatrick wrote:
>> What exactly is the protocol for getting posters on those railings?
>> How many of such things are actually done with permission, does anyone
>> know?
>
>
> So you
> have a choice between
>
> (1) sticking up the posters and seeing whether they survive, or
>
> (2) asking the railing owners for permission first.
>
> In either case you'll have a better chance if your posters are no larger
> than A4, and you'll have a better chance next time of asking if you
> remove them as soon as they're out of date.
Thank you Tim.
> have a choice between
>
> (1) sticking up the posters and seeing whether they survive, or
>
> (2) asking the railing owners for permission first.
>
> In either case you'll have a better chance if your posters are no larger
> than A4, and you'll have a better chance next time of asking if you
> remove them as soon as they're out of date.
Unless I'm completely misjudging it, it seems to me that the Google
Street View of the various locations make them look predominantly like
A3 posters. Perhaps I'll have to pop into town again in person. I'm
hoping to put some up next week.
Michael
Tim Ward
Oct 6, 2017, 12:06:33 PM10/6/17
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On 06/10/2017 16:45, Michael Kilpatrick wrote:
>
> Unless I'm completely misjudging it, it seems to me that the Google
> Street View of the various locations make them look predominantly like
> A3 posters. Perhaps I'll have to pop into town again in person. I'm
> hoping to put some up next week.
Oh, well, the last time I chaired the relevant working group was about
>
> Unless I'm completely misjudging it, it seems to me that the Google
> Street View of the various locations make them look predominantly like
> A3 posters. Perhaps I'll have to pop into town again in person. I'm
> hoping to put some up next week.
four years ago now, things might have changed.
Roland Perry
Oct 6, 2017, 12:28:42 PM10/6/17
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In message <DsNBB.1082039$uh.8...@fx28.am4>, at 16:39:09 on Fri, 6 Oct
2017, Tim Ward <t...@brettward.co.uk> remarked:
Initial complaint:
"Some of you with an interest in concerts etc. may have noticed that all
the posters have disappeared from various church railings - St Botolph's
on Trumpington Street is one. You might think that that's because the
churches have made a decision to take them down. Not a bit of it! I
understand that this is a City Council decision and that the churches
are very unhappy about it. Music and drama groups and others have been
putting posters on these railings with the full consent of the churches
for many years.
Somebody has decided that they would like Cambridge to be ever so tidy,
and if that means that the most useful places to advertise cultural
events are to be banned, that's too bad - who cares about Cambridge's
cultural life compared with the importance of having tidy railings?
An exception is being made for adverts for events in the church itself,
and GSM is apparently allowed to advertise College events, since
Colleges are part of their ministry. All other posters on church
railings (and possibly elsewhere; I don't know) are being taken down by
the City rangers.
Of course the churches (and the rangers, who are actually taking the
posters down) should be free to remove things that are offensive, out of
date, untidy etc. But tidy posters about current events are part of
what we should be displaying to show tourists that Cambridge is not just
a museum."
From Douglas DeL to Tim:
"Here's some correspondence from our[1] publicity member:
<quote>
Last week I noticed that the laminated poster I put on Great St
Mary's railings had gone. I put up two more in plastic envelopes 2
days ago and they were gone this morning. I went in and spoke to
someone in GSM. Apparently the City Council are enforcing the 'no fly
posting' regulation and taking all the concert (and other) posters
down. I went to the Guildhall and the person dealing with this was
out of their office so I left my home number. They have just called
back. Apparently there were lots of complaints about 6 months ago
that the railings were a real mess - out of date and inappropriate
posters. So they are enforcing long enstated (but previously
uninforced) legislation and taking them down. Michaelhouse has adopted
a policy whereby you can give them a poster and, if they agree, they
will display it for the week preceding the event and they initial the
corner so that the council don't rip them off.
According to the law GSM could still display posters if they gained
planning application for each one!!!
Anyway the guy at GSM didn't like the new enforcement and I told the
council person that I didn't either even though I accepted the
arguments in favour.
</quote>
and confirmation:
<quote>
I spoke to someone at City Council. They were telling me that all
posters apart from those advertising events at Gt St Marys were being
removed from the railings, not just out of date or unsuitable ones.
Michaelhouse has adopted a policy that they will put up posters if they
approve and just for the week up until the event (ours hadn't appeared
by yesterday morning). I also spoke to someone else who was giving out
concert flyers at West Road last night. He confirmed that posters for
concerts were being removed and that if there were contact details on
them they would be issued with a warning.
There is nothing on the railings to indicate that this change of policy
is taking place.
</quote>
Is that enough for you, Tim? Personally I agree with Martin: these
posters are a not unattractive part of Cambridge's ambience."
>So you have a choice between
>
>(1) sticking up the posters and seeing whether they survive, or
>
>(2) asking the railing owners for permission first.
>
>In either case you'll have a better chance if your posters are no
>larger than A4, and you'll have a better chance next time of asking if
>you remove them as soon as they're out of date.
>
--
Roland Perry
2017, Tim Ward <t...@brettward.co.uk> remarked:
>On 06/10/2017 13:51, Michael Kilpatrick wrote:
>> My band is playing in Great St Mary's in November (we're doing Duke
>>Ellington's version of the Nutcracker Suite) and I'm having a few
>>posters printed and fliers to go in the church and elsewhere.
>> Around Cambridge are several sites with railings which are usually
>>covered in posters: St Bene't's church, St Botolph's near Pembroke,
>>All Saints Garden on Trinity/St John's St, and one or two more.
>> What exactly is the protocol for getting posters on those railings?
>>How many of such things are actually done with permission, does
>>anyone know?
>
>It's all a bit sensitive, from time to time, what with balancing
>providing helpful community information against making the place look
>untidy (with complicated things to do with ownership of railings,
>planning laws etc coming into it).
>
>Last time I was involved the council's position was to live and let
>live provided it didn't get out of hand, with the
>not-letting-it-get-out-of-hand bit delegated to the railing owners
>(failing which the Rangers would, in theory, be sent round with some
>side cutters, but I don't think this has ever been necessary).
From 2009:
>> My band is playing in Great St Mary's in November (we're doing Duke
>>Ellington's version of the Nutcracker Suite) and I'm having a few
>>posters printed and fliers to go in the church and elsewhere.
>> Around Cambridge are several sites with railings which are usually
>>covered in posters: St Bene't's church, St Botolph's near Pembroke,
>>All Saints Garden on Trinity/St John's St, and one or two more.
>> What exactly is the protocol for getting posters on those railings?
>>How many of such things are actually done with permission, does
>>anyone know?
>
>It's all a bit sensitive, from time to time, what with balancing
>providing helpful community information against making the place look
>untidy (with complicated things to do with ownership of railings,
>planning laws etc coming into it).
>
>Last time I was involved the council's position was to live and let
>live provided it didn't get out of hand, with the
>not-letting-it-get-out-of-hand bit delegated to the railing owners
>(failing which the Rangers would, in theory, be sent round with some
>side cutters, but I don't think this has ever been necessary).
Initial complaint:
"Some of you with an interest in concerts etc. may have noticed that all
the posters have disappeared from various church railings - St Botolph's
on Trumpington Street is one. You might think that that's because the
churches have made a decision to take them down. Not a bit of it! I
understand that this is a City Council decision and that the churches
are very unhappy about it. Music and drama groups and others have been
putting posters on these railings with the full consent of the churches
for many years.
Somebody has decided that they would like Cambridge to be ever so tidy,
and if that means that the most useful places to advertise cultural
events are to be banned, that's too bad - who cares about Cambridge's
cultural life compared with the importance of having tidy railings?
An exception is being made for adverts for events in the church itself,
and GSM is apparently allowed to advertise College events, since
Colleges are part of their ministry. All other posters on church
railings (and possibly elsewhere; I don't know) are being taken down by
the City rangers.
Of course the churches (and the rangers, who are actually taking the
posters down) should be free to remove things that are offensive, out of
date, untidy etc. But tidy posters about current events are part of
what we should be displaying to show tourists that Cambridge is not just
a museum."
From Douglas DeL to Tim:
"Here's some correspondence from our[1] publicity member:
<quote>
Last week I noticed that the laminated poster I put on Great St
Mary's railings had gone. I put up two more in plastic envelopes 2
days ago and they were gone this morning. I went in and spoke to
someone in GSM. Apparently the City Council are enforcing the 'no fly
posting' regulation and taking all the concert (and other) posters
down. I went to the Guildhall and the person dealing with this was
out of their office so I left my home number. They have just called
back. Apparently there were lots of complaints about 6 months ago
that the railings were a real mess - out of date and inappropriate
posters. So they are enforcing long enstated (but previously
uninforced) legislation and taking them down. Michaelhouse has adopted
a policy whereby you can give them a poster and, if they agree, they
will display it for the week preceding the event and they initial the
corner so that the council don't rip them off.
According to the law GSM could still display posters if they gained
planning application for each one!!!
Anyway the guy at GSM didn't like the new enforcement and I told the
council person that I didn't either even though I accepted the
arguments in favour.
</quote>
and confirmation:
<quote>
I spoke to someone at City Council. They were telling me that all
posters apart from those advertising events at Gt St Marys were being
removed from the railings, not just out of date or unsuitable ones.
Michaelhouse has adopted a policy that they will put up posters if they
approve and just for the week up until the event (ours hadn't appeared
by yesterday morning). I also spoke to someone else who was giving out
concert flyers at West Road last night. He confirmed that posters for
concerts were being removed and that if there were contact details on
them they would be issued with a warning.
There is nothing on the railings to indicate that this change of policy
is taking place.
</quote>
Is that enough for you, Tim? Personally I agree with Martin: these
posters are a not unattractive part of Cambridge's ambience."
>So you have a choice between
>
>(1) sticking up the posters and seeing whether they survive, or
>
>(2) asking the railing owners for permission first.
>
>In either case you'll have a better chance if your posters are no
>larger than A4, and you'll have a better chance next time of asking if
>you remove them as soon as they're out of date.
>
--
Paul Bird
Oct 6, 2017, 12:36:11 PM10/6/17
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On 06/10/17 17:28, Roland Perry wrote:
> Personally I agree with Martin: these
> posters are a not unattractive part of Cambridge's ambience."
<aol>Me too</aol>
> Personally I agree with Martin: these
> posters are a not unattractive part of Cambridge's ambience."
On my rare forays into the town centre I would agree with you that they
add to, rather than detract from, the appearance of the street scene.
They have the added benefit of being informative providing the event is
still yet to occur.
PB
tony sayer
Oct 6, 2017, 4:55:36 PM10/6/17
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In article <or8bdp$pg5$1...@dont-email.me>, Paul Bird
<pa...@nospamcamtutor.co.uk> scribeth thus
Yes rare forays sums it up don't go there unless I have to.
About time there was an elecronicy web notice poster board?.
Or does it exist somewhere?.
--
Tony Sayer
<pa...@nospamcamtutor.co.uk> scribeth thus
About time there was an elecronicy web notice poster board?.
Or does it exist somewhere?.
--
Tony Sayer
Golan Trevize
Oct 6, 2017, 5:33:21 PM10/6/17
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In the past I've just put them up without asking anyone.
They stand more chance of staying up if they're laminated,
and attached to the railings with cable ties. Posters
advertising concerts etc. are either A3 or A4 depending
on the importance of the concert. A4 ones have a better
chance of finding room among the existing posters. Some
other places to put them include Burrell's Walk, Adams
Road, and the entrance to the Sidgwick Site on Sidgwick
Ave.
When exactly is the concert?
Golan
They stand more chance of staying up if they're laminated,
and attached to the railings with cable ties. Posters
advertising concerts etc. are either A3 or A4 depending
on the importance of the concert. A4 ones have a better
chance of finding room among the existing posters. Some
other places to put them include Burrell's Walk, Adams
Road, and the entrance to the Sidgwick Site on Sidgwick
Ave.
When exactly is the concert?
Golan
Tim Ward
Oct 6, 2017, 5:34:32 PM10/6/17
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On 06/10/2017 21:46, tony sayer wrote:
>
> About time there was an elecronicy web notice poster board?.
>
> Or does it exist somewhere?.
I'm sure there are at least 427 of them. Quicker to scan two or three
>
> About time there was an elecronicy web notice poster board?.
>
> Or does it exist somewhere?.
railings as you walk or cycle past!
rosen...@cix.compulink.co.uk
Oct 6, 2017, 7:40:18 PM10/6/17
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City Council in the case of All Saints' Churchyard.
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Colin Rosenstiel
Lemony Anemone
Oct 7, 2017, 3:07:38 AM10/7/17
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i agree with the others here that the posters very much enhance the ambience of Cambridge. It also seems that the railing owners do not object, although an over-zealous council might remove the posters from time to time.
My advice would be:
1. Put them up as you see fit, whether A3 or A4 size.
2. Be sure to remove them when they are out of date.
For what it's worth, as a local you have my full approval :).
My advice would be:
1. Put them up as you see fit, whether A3 or A4 size.
2. Be sure to remove them when they are out of date.
For what it's worth, as a local you have my full approval :).
Roland Perry
Oct 7, 2017, 3:19:44 AM10/7/17
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In message <3bc77f7e-8169-480d...@googlegroups.com>, at
00:07:36 on Sat, 7 Oct 2017, Lemony Anemone
<mark.sincla...@gmail.com> remarked:
their box.
>might remove the posters from time to time.
>
>My advice would be:
>
>1. Put them up as you see fit, whether A3 or A4 size.
>2. Be sure to remove them when they are out of date.
>
>For what it's worth, as a local you have my full approval :).
Indeed, it's important they continue to be allowed.
Also in Newnham Croft: https://goo.gl/maps/2rWCAR52shq
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Roland Perry
00:07:36 on Sat, 7 Oct 2017, Lemony Anemone
<mark.sincla...@gmail.com> remarked:
>i agree with the others here that the posters very much enhance the
>ambience of Cambridge. It also seems that the railing owners do not
>object, although an over-zealous council
Possibly an over-zealous ranger-manager, until they get put back in
>ambience of Cambridge. It also seems that the railing owners do not
>object, although an over-zealous council
their box.
>might remove the posters from time to time.
>
>My advice would be:
>
>1. Put them up as you see fit, whether A3 or A4 size.
>2. Be sure to remove them when they are out of date.
>
>For what it's worth, as a local you have my full approval :).
Also in Newnham Croft: https://goo.gl/maps/2rWCAR52shq
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Roland Perry
Espen Koht
Oct 7, 2017, 5:14:02 AM10/7/17
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make room for your poster, if it is needed, by removing a poster for an
event that has already occurred. One of the question that arises from
this is whether it is acceptable to put up a poster for something that
has no definitive end-date (ie. "mumbojumbo classes at the jumbo every
mumbleday"); by my reckoning these violate the spirit of the service and
I will remove them to make room for an upcoming event if I can't find an
expired one.
Michael Kilpatrick
Oct 7, 2017, 7:08:22 AM10/7/17
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>
> When exactly is the concert?
>
> Golan
>
Great St Mary's Church
Harmony In Harlem performed Duke Ellington's and Billy Strayhorn's take
on Tchaikovsky - The Nutcracker Suite
Ticket £15 on the door or online:
http://www.harmonyinharlem.co.uk/
https://www.facebook.com/events/910131129149352/
The performance will also pay tribute to the 50th anniversary of Duke
Ellington performing at Great St Mary's during the European tour of his
first Sacred Concert - we will be performing the opening movement of his
Second Sacred Concert.
http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/history/cambridges-greatest-ever-music-gig-12696829
Michael
Michael Kilpatrick
Oct 7, 2017, 7:09:07 AM10/7/17
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Ah, thank you for that, Roland.
Michael Kilpatrick
Oct 7, 2017, 7:11:17 AM10/7/17
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Folks, I took the trouble emailing the vicar of St Botolph's (because it
was easy to get an email address) who replied thus:
> Dear Michael
> How kind of you to ask, which is not, as you surmise, what most people
> tend to do.
> By all means put your poster up on the railings.
> I hope the concert goes well and you have much support.
So I earned some brownie points there!
Michael
was easy to get an email address) who replied thus:
> Dear Michael
> How kind of you to ask, which is not, as you surmise, what most people
> tend to do.
> By all means put your poster up on the railings.
> I hope the concert goes well and you have much support.
So I earned some brownie points there!
Michael
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