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Rupert Moss-Eccardt

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Oct 22, 2004, 4:24:24 AM10/22/04
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When I was younger I learnt about 'mnemonics' as a technique to help
remember things. I have recently come across 'pneumonics' which appear
to be the same thing.

Is the latter just a new way of spelling the former? Is it just an error
that is gaining currency? Can anyone explain?

Stuart Moore

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Oct 22, 2004, 4:42:40 AM10/22/04
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Rupert Moss-Eccardt wrote:

A quick google seems to show it happens on medical sites, where it's
presumably a pun on pneumonia (sp?) - but I can believe some people
don't know they're getting it wrong.

Stuart

Sam Holloway

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Oct 22, 2004, 4:44:35 AM10/22/04
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The OED doesn't have it. For pneumonic, it has (and I paraphrase):

1) an adjective "pertaining to the lungs"
2) an adjective "pertaining to pneumonia"
3) a noun : a) "a person affected with lung disease", b) "a remedy for
lung-disease"

It says form 3a) is obsolete and 3b) is rare.

I guess what you're seeing, then, is either an error gaining favour,
or some wry joke that I don't get. :-)

Sam

Mike Playle

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Oct 22, 2004, 5:16:54 AM10/22/04
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On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 08:24:24 +0000, Rupert Moss-Eccardt wrote:

> When I was younger I learnt about 'mnemonics' as a technique to help
> remember things. I have recently come across 'pneumonics' which appear
> to be the same thing.

Mnemonics for airheads?

Theo Markettos

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Oct 22, 2004, 5:55:28 AM10/22/04
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Sam Holloway <sam@sam'spam'holloway.co.uk> wrote:
> The OED doesn't have it. For pneumonic, it has (and I paraphrase):
[snip]

>
> I guess what you're seeing, then, is either an error gaining favour,
> or some wry joke that I don't get. :-)

I'd agree. The root Greek words are:

i mnimi (memory, mind, recollection)
i pneuma (wind, soul, spirit) - pronounced 'pnevma' in Modern Greek

Tenuous link - my Modern Greek dictionary defines pneumatikos as spiritual,
intellectual, mental, pneumatic. But I think it's far more likely to be a
mistake.

Theo

Gropius Riftwynde

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Oct 22, 2004, 6:23:54 AM10/22/04
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On 22 Oct 2004 10:55:28 +0100 (BST), Theo Markettos
<theom...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

Memorable fart? Or, considering the lung aspect of pneu, a memorable
burp? Or, if you are of a less visceral turn of mind, a spiritual
recollection?

GR

Martin Evans

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Oct 22, 2004, 7:43:47 AM10/22/04
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> Is the latter just a new way of spelling the former? Is it just an error
> that is gaining currency? Can anyone explain?

Sounds like a Malapropism to me

Robert

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Oct 22, 2004, 11:08:24 AM10/22/04
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Mike Playle <use...@newdawn.uklinux.net> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.10.22....@newdawn.uklinux.net>...


I often wonder if "moniker" is used as a joke mispronunciation of
"mnemonic", or is it actually a bone fide word?

Robert

Marcus Streets

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Oct 22, 2004, 11:19:28 AM10/22/04
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http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=moniker

2 entries found for moniker.
mon·i·ker or mon·ick·er Audio pronunciation of "moniker" ( P )
Pronunciation Key (mn-kr)
n. Slang

A personal name or nickname.


[Probably from Shelta munik, name, possibly alteration of Irish Gaelic
ainm, from Old Irish. See n-men- in Indo-European Roots.]

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moniker

n : a familiar name for a person (often a shortened version of a
person's given name); "Joe's mother would not use his nickname and
always called him Joseph"; "Henry's nickname was Slim" [syn: nickname,
cognomen, sobriquet, soubriquet]

Source: WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University

John Morrison

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Oct 22, 2004, 8:50:29 PM10/22/04
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If "mnemonics" can turn into "pneumonics", what strange things will
happen to "acronym" ("Alphabetic Collocation Reordering Or Numbering Your
Memory" - according to Stan Kelly-Bootle ...)?

John
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"God doesn't believe in atheists." - [Trad.]

Robert

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Oct 25, 2004, 10:06:55 AM10/25/04
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"John Morrison" <john.m...@tesco.net> wrote in message news:<2tto97F...@uni-berlin.de>...

> Mike Playle wrote:
> > On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 08:24:24 +0000, Rupert Moss-Eccardt wrote:
> >
> >> When I was younger I learnt about 'mnemonics' as a technique to help
> >> remember things. I have recently come across 'pneumonics' which
> >> appear to be the same thing.
> >
> > Mnemonics for airheads?
>
> If "mnemonics" can turn into "pneumonics", what strange things will
> happen to "acronym"

It will lose its distinct meaning and come to mean merely "abbreviation" :-(

Robert

november...@gmail.com

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Jan 23, 2018, 1:38:58 AM1/23/18
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it's still "mneumonics", not much has changed except perhaps our brains over the years :)

The Natural Philosopher

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Jan 23, 2018, 2:55:22 AM1/23/18
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On 23/01/18 06:38, november...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, October 22, 2004 at 4:24:24 PM UTC+8, Rupert Moss-Eccardt wrote:
>> When I was younger I learnt about 'mnemonics' as a technique to help
>> remember things. I have recently come across 'pneumonics' which appear
>> to be the same thing.
>>
>> Is the latter just a new way of spelling the former? Is it just an error
>> that is gaining currency? Can anyone explain?
>
> it's still "mneumonics",

!!!!

not much has changed except perhaps our brains over the years :)
>

What has changed over the years is that Englsih language is no longer
taught in skool

The number of times I heasr 'The police *is*' instead of 'The police
are' on the beeb and sky....

The concept of plural nouns has vansihed


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Jan 25, 2018, 5:36:04 AM1/25/18
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On Tuesday, 23 January 2018 08:55:22 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 23/01/18 06:38, november...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, October 22, 2004 at 4:24:24 PM UTC+8, Rupert Moss-Eccardt wrote:
> >> When I was younger I learnt about 'mnemonics' as a technique to help
> >> remember things. I have recently come across 'pneumonics' which appear
> >> to be the same thing.
> >>
> >> Is the latter just a new way of spelling the former? Is it just an error
> >> that is gaining currency? Can anyone explain?
> >
> > it's still "mneumonics",
>
> !!!!
>
> not much has changed except perhaps our brains over the years :)
> >
>
> What has changed over the years is that Englsih language is no longer
> taught in skool
>
> The number of times I heasr 'The police *is*' instead of 'The police
> are' on the beeb and sky....
>
> The concept of plural nouns has vansihed

Whereas "the government are" has replaced "the government is". The concept of plural nouns has not vanished, it's just the membership of the set has changed over the last few decades as the language follows its natural evolution.

Robin

Vir Campestris

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Jan 25, 2018, 4:33:19 PM1/25/18
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Rupert wrote it when?

Mnemonic is about memory, derived from the Ancient Greek word μνημονικός
(mnēmonikos).

Pneumonics I have never heard of. In the singular it means something to
do with the lungs, as in pneumonic plague (a black death variant) or
pneumonia. Also from the Greek - pneumonikos.

Andy

Rupert Moss-Eccardt

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Jan 25, 2018, 6:14:12 PM1/25/18
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On 25 Jan 2018 21:33, Vir Campestris wrote:
> On 23/01/2018 06:38, november...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Friday, October 22, 2004 at 4:24:24 PM UTC+8, Rupert Moss-Eccardt wrote:
>>> When I was younger I learnt about 'mnemonics' as a technique to help
>>> remember things. I have recently come across 'pneumonics' which appear
>>> to be the same thing.
>>>
>>> Is the latter just a new way of spelling the former? Is it just an error
>>> that is gaining currency? Can anyone explain?
>>
>> it's still "mneumonics", not much has changed except perhaps our brains over the years :)
>>
>
> Rupert wrote it when?
>

There is a very broken newsreader out there.

I didn't even take part in this thread.


Alan Jones

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Jan 26, 2018, 5:23:11 AM1/26/18
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On 25/01/2018 23:14, Rupert Moss-Eccardt wrote:
> On 25 Jan 2018 21:33, Vir Campestris wrote:
>> On 23/01/2018 06:38, november...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Friday, October 22, 2004 at 4:24:24 PM UTC+8, Rupert Moss-Eccardt wrote:
>>>> When I was younger I learnt about 'mnemonics' as a technique to help
>>>> remember things. I have recently come across 'pneumonics' which appear
>>>> to be the same thing.
>>>>
>> Rupert wrote it when?
>>
> There is a very broken newsreader out there.
>
> I didn't even take part in this thread.
>
Perhaps it is a covert communication?

"I recently came across a green haggis"

It might help to explain some of the postings on cam.misc (:-)

Alan Jones.


Vir Campestris

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Jan 28, 2018, 4:21:28 PM1/28/18
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On 25/01/2018 23:14, Rupert Moss-Eccardt wrote:
Are you sure of what you wrote back in 2004?

Andy

Rupert Moss-Eccardt

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Jan 29, 2018, 7:51:12 AM1/29/18
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Fairly sure but you've sown an element of doubt but no amount of
Googling reveals such a thread. Perhaps my Google-fu is weak.

The Natural Philosopher

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Jan 29, 2018, 8:11:12 AM1/29/18
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On 29/01/18 12:51, Rupert Moss-Eccardt wrote:
> Friday, October 22, 2004 at 4:24:24


https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/cam.misc/03fO6023lgc

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Rupert Moss-Eccardt

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Jan 30, 2018, 1:40:13 PM1/30/18
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On 29 Jan 2018 13:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 29/01/18 12:51, Rupert Moss-Eccardt wrote:
>> Friday, October 22, 2004 at 4:24:24
>
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/cam.misc/03fO6023lgc
>
> --

Aha.Thanks.

I am now getting a faint recollection of something irking me at the
time with the apparent neologism which then seems to have been just
someone getting the word/spelling wrong.

Weird that the thread rose from the dead, though

The Natural Philosopher

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Jan 30, 2018, 2:45:00 PM1/30/18
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Usenet is now being mined by various for-profit organisations.
Badly.

Its entirely possible that someone stumbled on this and replied, unaware
that it was in fact 13 years ago.


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