Canada's new top soldier says American Republican-style Neo-Conservative war monger Stephen Harper's illegal and unwinnable war in Afghanistan is actually worsening
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Updated Sun. Jul. 20 2008 9:32 PM ET
CTV.ca News Staff
Despite the significant gains Canadian troops have achieved in
Afghanistan, Gen. Walter Natynczyk admitted Sunday the country's
overall situation is worsening.
Canada's top soldier told CTV's Question Period that insurgent attacks
have increased year over year, specifically in some parts of the
country.
"You have a worsening security situation, especially localized in
three areas -- the Kabul area, in the Regional Command East, where the
Americans are, and in the south where we are with the British forces
and the Dutch," he said.
The statement appeared to backtrack from what Natynczyk said earlier
this month after he completed his first visit to Afghanistan as the
Chief of Defence Staff.
On a five-day visit to the region, Natynczyk put a positive spin on
security issues in the war-torn country, which has seen a resurgence
of Taliban activity. Natynczyk, who became the country's top soldier
on July 2, had said the increased violence is negligible.
"We're generally along the same lines as we have been the past few
years,'' Natynczyk said at a news conference on July 13 at Kandahar
Airfield. "Looking at the statistics, we're just a slight notch --
indeed an insignificant notch -- above where we were last year.''
On Sunday, Natynczyk agreed with statistics presented on Question
Period that suggested year-to-year violence was up 34 per cent.
"The statistics you cite are absolutely true," he said.
"On the other hand, when I was in Kandahar, from a soldiers'
perspective, what they see are localized, fragile signs of success."
He noted the Taliban "is throwing everything against" NATO troops and
Afghan security forces in an effort to undermine the government ahead
of next year's elections. Natynczyk reiterated the need for more NATO
troops to help quell insurgent violence.
"In a counterinsurgency, it is troop intensive. It's not enough just
to clear the Taliban out ... you need to have that security blanket to
ensure that there is time for police and the army to have that
capacity to address their own security," he said.
Natynczyk said that NATO troops have helped the country make
significant improvements. He said Canadians have helped train police
officers who are respected by the local population, and Afghan
battalions have increasingly taken on roles to protect major regions
of the country.
Loaf of Bread
> Natynczyk says Afghanistan situation is worsening
> Updated Sun. Jul. 20 2008 9:32 PM ET
[snip]
I think you forgot, my roving socialist fruitcake, who it was who got
us into Afghanistan in the first place. You also forgot which parties
agreed to extend the mission in Afghanistan.
I've adjusted the subject line to reflect this fact.
> http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080720/general_...
Dave
In Canada, the Liberal party gets us in to Afghanistan, then when they lose
power they try to turn the tables and blame the Conservatives hoping that
the people forget.
In the USA, the Liberal thinking Democrats vote dead against Mr. McCain and
the surge in Iraq, but when the surge goes ahead and is successful, Obama
takes credit for it's success.
Talk about double talk.
"Loaf of Bread" <john...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d4d2c4f7-c911-449f...@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
Mr.Smartypants
> This is the way Liberal thinkers work Loaf.
>
> In Canada, the Liberal party gets us in to Afghanistan, then when they lose
> power they try to turn the tables and blame the Conservatives hoping that
> the people forget.
>
> In the USA, the Liberal thinking Democrats vote dead against Mr. McCain and
> the surge in Iraq, but when the surge goes ahead and is successful, Obama
> takes credit for it's success.
>
> Talk about double talk.
>
> On Jul 23, 12:07 pm, fraeauldbobpeff...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Natynczyk says Afghanistan situation is worsening
> > Updated Sun. Jul. 20 2008 9:32 PM ET
>
> [snip]
>
> I think you forgot, my roving socialist fruitcake, who it was who got
> us into Afghanistan in the first place. You also forgot which parties
> agreed to extend the mission in Afghanistan.
The Liberals originally sent FORTY soldiers who were not on an
aggressive combat role.
"The mission has changed. We don't know what the mission is." -
unidentified Canadian soldier in Afghanistan after HARPER became PM.
>
> I've adjusted the subject line to reflect this fact.
>
>
>
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John Fleming
desk in the scriptorium "Mr.Smartypants"
<anyb...@canada.com> wrote:
> $On Jul 24, 9:12 am, "Dave" <canadianmale...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> $> This is the way Liberal thinkers work Loaf.
> $>
> $> In Canada, the Liberal party gets us in to Afghanistan, then when they lose
> $> power they try to turn the tables and blame the Conservatives hoping that
> $> the people forget.
> $>
> $> In the USA, the Liberal thinking Democrats vote dead against Mr. McCain and
> $> the surge in Iraq, but when the surge goes ahead and is successful, Obama
> $> takes credit for it's success.
> $>
> $> Talk about double talk.
> $>
> $> "Loaf of Bread" <johnt...@hotmail.com> wrote in messagenews:d4d2c4f7-c911-449f...@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> $> On Jul 23, 12:07 pm, fraeauldbobpeff...@gmail.com wrote:
> $>
> $> > Natynczyk says Afghanistan situation is worsening
> $> > Updated Sun. Jul. 20 2008 9:32 PM ET
> $>
> $> [snip]
> $>
> $> I think you forgot, my roving socialist fruitcake, who it was who got
> $> us into Afghanistan in the first place. You also forgot which parties
> $> agreed to extend the mission in Afghanistan.
> $
> $The Liberals originally sent FORTY soldiers who were not on an
> $aggressive combat role.
> $
> $"The mission has changed. We don't know what the mission is." -
> $unidentified Canadian soldier in Afghanistan after HARPER became PM.
I don't think we knew what the mission was when the Liberals
commited us in the first place.
--
John Fleming
Edmonton, Canada
Old MacDonald had a farm E-I-E-I-O
And on that farm he had a genome E-I-E-I-O
With a SNP SNP here and a SNP SNP there,
Here a SNP, there a SNP, everywhere a SNP SNP
Old MacDonald had a farm E-I-E-I-O
John Fleming
desk in the scriptorium "Mr.Smartypants"
> $aggressive combat role.
> $
> $unidentified Canadian soldier in Afghanistan after HARPER became PM.
BTW, MSP, you might find the following article of interest.
Note the date the story was done.
Facts on Canadian military deployment in Afghanistan
Updated Thu. Oct. 2 2003 4:31 PM ET
Canadian Press
Purpose: To stabilize Kabul, the capital, and protect
the interim government of President Hamid Karzai from
al-Qaida and Taliban insurgents.
Strength: About 1,800 troops based in Kabul with the
31-country International Security Assistance Force.
Timeline: Troops arrived in August for a six-month tour
of duty; new rotation of 1,800 due in the new year.
Regiment: Most troops are members of the Royal Canadian
Regiment (3RCR) Battalion Group, based in Petawawa,
Ont.
What's new: Sgt. Robert Alan Short and Cpl. Robbie
Christopher Beerenfenger died Thursday when their jeep
struck an explosive device near Kabul. Three other
soldiers were injured.
Previous deaths: Four Canadian soldiers died last year
during a separate deployment when an American F-16
fighter jet mistakenly bombed their position during a
live-fire training exercise near Kandahar.
Quote: Defence Minister John McCallum -- "It is a
painful reminder that defending our values and doing
our duty as a nation can come with a very high price."
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1065126677661_60535877//
In 2003, the Liberals formed the government.
The story notes a Canadian forces deployment of 1,800
troops.
And I think CTV is a reaonably reputable journalistic
source.
snowman
> This is the way Liberal thinkers work Loaf.
>
> In Canada, the Liberal party gets us in to Afghanistan, then when they lose
> power they try to turn the tables and blame the Conservatives hoping that
> the people forget.
>
> In the USA, the Liberal thinking Democrats vote dead against Mr. McCain and
> the surge in Iraq, but when the surge goes ahead and is successful, Obama
> takes credit for it's success.
>
> Talk about double talk.
>
Now now, Liberals are the smartest and most intelligent. After all,
remember that it was Al Gore that invented the internet. Um....never
mind........
>
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snowman
> On Jul 24, 9:12 am, "Dave" <canadianmale...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>> This is the way Liberal thinkers work Loaf.
>>
>> In Canada, the Liberal party gets us in to Afghanistan, then when they lose
>> power they try to turn the tables and blame the Conservatives hoping that
>> the people forget.
>>
>> In the USA, the Liberal thinking Democrats vote dead against Mr. McCain and
>> the surge in Iraq, but when the surge goes ahead and is successful, Obama
>> takes credit for it's success.
>>
>> Talk about double talk.
>>
>> "Loaf of Bread" <johnt...@hotmail.com> wrote in messagenews:d4d2c4f7-c911-449f...@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jul 23, 12:07 pm, fraeauldbobpeff...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Natynczyk says Afghanistan situation is worsening
>>> Updated Sun. Jul. 20 2008 9:32 PM ET
>> [snip]
>>
>> I think you forgot, my roving socialist fruitcake, who it was who got
>> us into Afghanistan in the first place. You also forgot which parties
>> agreed to extend the mission in Afghanistan.
>
>
>
>
>
> The Liberals originally sent FORTY soldiers who were not on an
> aggressive combat role.
>
I think that you missed a few details:
Defence Minister Art Eggleton announces that Canada is sending six naval
ships, six air force planes, special forces soldiers, and more than
2,000 Canadian troops in a mission dubbed "Operation Apollo."
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1025062497948_20471697
About 40 members of Canada's elite anti-terrorist group, Joint Task
Force 2, are on the ground near Kandahar, Defence Minister Art Eggleton
said Wednesday.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1025060067549_20469267
I would hardly call JTF2 'non-agressive'.
The complete timeline of Canada's role in Afghanistan can be found here:
Note the extensive Liberal government commitment of Canadian Troops to
Afghanistan.
John Fleming
in the scriptorium snowman <x@x.x> wrote:
> $Dave wrote:
> $> This is the way Liberal thinkers work Loaf.
> $>
> $> In Canada, the Liberal party gets us in to Afghanistan, then when they lose
> $> power they try to turn the tables and blame the Conservatives hoping that
> $>
> $> the surge in Iraq, but when the surge goes ahead and is successful, Obama
> $>
> $> Talk about double talk.
> $
> $remember that it was Al Gore that invented the internet. Um....never
> $mind........
Are you sure Al Gore even knows how to use the Internet.
(OK, it's a low blow, but it was wide open.)
John Fleming
in the scriptorium snowman <x@x.x> wrote:
> $> On Jul 24, 9:12 am, "Dave" <canadianmale...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> $>> This is the way Liberal thinkers work Loaf.
> $>>
> $>> In Canada, the Liberal party gets us in to Afghanistan, then when they lose
> $>> power they try to turn the tables and blame the Conservatives hoping that
> $>> the people forget.
> $>>
> $>> the surge in Iraq, but when the surge goes ahead and is successful, Obama
> $>> takes credit for it's success.
> $>>
> $>> Talk about double talk.
> $>>
> $>> On Jul 23, 12:07 pm, fraeauldbobpeff...@gmail.com wrote:
> $>>
> $>>> Natynczyk says Afghanistan situation is worsening
> $>>> Updated Sun. Jul. 20 2008 9:32 PM ET
> $>> [snip]
> $>>
> $>> I think you forgot, my roving socialist fruitcake, who it was who got
> $>> us into Afghanistan in the first place. You also forgot which parties
> $>> agreed to extend the mission in Afghanistan.
> $>
> $> The Liberals originally sent FORTY soldiers who were not on an
> $> aggressive combat role.
> $>
> $
> $I think that you missed a few details:
> $
> $Defence Minister Art Eggleton announces that Canada is sending six naval
> $ships, six air force planes, special forces soldiers, and more than
> $2,000 Canadian troops in a mission dubbed "Operation Apollo."
> $
> $http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1025062497948_20471697
> $
> $About 40 members of Canada's elite anti-terrorist group, Joint Task
> $Force 2, are on the ground near Kandahar, Defence Minister Art Eggleton
> $said Wednesday.
> $
> $http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1025060067549_20469267
> $
> $I would hardly call JTF2 'non-agressive'.
> $
> $The complete timeline of Canada's role in Afghanistan can be found here:
> $
> $http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20050804/afghanistan_timeline_050804/20080307?hub=World&pr=showAll
> $
> $Note the extensive Liberal government commitment of Canadian Troops to
> $Afghanistan.
That's much better than the one I dug up.
BTW, I love the following Paul Martin quote from the
timeline you provided snowman -
Prime Minister Paul Martin responds to criticism that
sending troops to Afghanistan will endanger Canada,
saying that fighting terrorism is the government's
responsibility.
snowman
Haha, beautiful. I missed that one.
John Fleming
in the scriptorium snowman <x@x.x> wrote:
> $> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:51:17 -0600, while chained to a desk
> $> in the scriptorium snowman <x@x.x> wrote:
> $>> $Mr.Smartypants wrote:
> $>> $> On Jul 24, 9:12 am, "Dave" <canadianmale...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> $>> $>> This is the way Liberal thinkers work Loaf.
> $>> $>>
> $>> $>> In Canada, the Liberal party gets us in to Afghanistan, then when they lose
> $>> $>> the people forget.
> $>> $>>
> $>> $>> In the USA, the Liberal thinking Democrats vote dead against Mr. McCain and
> $>> $>> takes credit for it's success.
> $>> $>>
> $>> $>> Talk about double talk.
> $>> $>>
> $>> $>> "Loaf of Bread" <johnt...@hotmail.com> wrote in messagenews:d4d2c4f7-c911-449f...@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> $>> $>>
> $>> $>>> Natynczyk says Afghanistan situation is worsening
> $>> $>> [snip]
> $>> $>>
> $>> $>> I think you forgot, my roving socialist fruitcake, who it was who got
> $>> $>> agreed to extend the mission in Afghanistan.
> $>> $>
> $>> $> The Liberals originally sent FORTY soldiers who were not on an
> $>> $>
> $>> $
> $>> $I think that you missed a few details:
> $>> $
> $>> $Defence Minister Art Eggleton announces that Canada is sending six naval
> $>> $2,000 Canadian troops in a mission dubbed "Operation Apollo."
> $>> $
> $>> $http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1025062497948_20471697
> $>> $
> $>> $About 40 members of Canada's elite anti-terrorist group, Joint Task
> $>> $said Wednesday.
> $>> $
> $>> $http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1025060067549_20469267
> $>> $
> $>> $I would hardly call JTF2 'non-agressive'.
> $>> $
> $>> $The complete timeline of Canada's role in Afghanistan can be found here:
> $>> $
> $>> $
> $>> $Note the extensive Liberal government commitment of Canadian Troops to
> $>
> $> That's much better than the one I dug up.
> $>
> $> BTW, I love the following Paul Martin quote from the
> $> timeline you provided snowman -
> $>
> $> Prime Minister Paul Martin responds to criticism that
> $> sending troops to Afghanistan will endanger Canada,
> $> saying that fighting terrorism is the government's
> $> responsibility.
> $
> $Haha, beautiful. I missed that one.
It was quite a way down.
In fact, if I hadn't started from the bottom, I would have
missed it too.
Loaf of Bread
> > $
> > $About 40 members of Canada's elite anti-terrorist group, Joint Task
> > $Force 2, are on the ground near Kandahar, Defence Minister Art Eggleton
> > $said Wednesday.
> > $
> > $
> > $I would hardly call JTF2 'non-agressive'.
> > $
> > $The complete timeline of Canada's role in Afghanistan can be found here:
> > $
> > $
> > $Note the extensive Liberal government commitment of Canadian Troops to
> > $Afghanistan.
>
> That's much better than the one I dug up.
>
> BTW, I love the following Paul Martin quote from the
> timeline you provided snowman -
>
> Prime Minister Paul Martin responds to criticism that
> sending troops to Afghanistan will endanger Canada,
> saying that fighting terrorism is the government's
> responsibility.
I LOVE it!!
Robert Peffers take note.
Dave
"John Fleming" <nos...@sprynet.com> wrote in message
news:73sf84p0rutk9nmbm...@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:44:12 -0600, while chained to a desk
> in the scriptorium snowman <x@x.x> wrote:
>> $Dave wrote:
>> $> This is the way Liberal thinkers work Loaf.
>> $>
>> $> In Canada, the Liberal party gets us in to Afghanistan, then when they
>> lose
>> $> power they try to turn the tables and blame the Conservatives hoping
>> that
>> $> the people forget.
>> $>
>> $> In the USA, the Liberal thinking Democrats vote dead against Mr.
>> McCain and
>> $> the surge in Iraq, but when the surge goes ahead and is successful,
>> Obama
>> $> takes credit for it's success.
>> $>
>> $> Talk about double talk.
>> $
>> $Now now, Liberals are the smartest and most intelligent. After all,
>> $remember that it was Al Gore that invented the internet. Um....never
>> $mind........
>
> Are you sure Al Gore even knows how to use the Internet.
> (OK, it's a low blow, but it was wide open.)
>
> Edmonton, Canada
LOL - John, how else could Gore make money marketing the global collapse
caused by Global Warming if he wasn't posting propaganda on the internet?
Only the most brainwashed liberals will listen to him in person.
John Fleming
the scriptorium "Dave" <canadia...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> $"John Fleming" <nos...@sprynet.com> wrote in message
> $news:73sf84p0rutk9nmbm...@4ax.com...
> $> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:44:12 -0600, while chained to a desk
> $> in the scriptorium snowman <x@x.x> wrote:
> $>> $Dave wrote:
> $>> $> This is the way Liberal thinkers work Loaf.
> $>> $>
> $>> $> In Canada, the Liberal party gets us in to Afghanistan, then when they
> $>> $> power they try to turn the tables and blame the Conservatives hoping
> $>> that
> $>> $> the people forget.
> $>> $>
> $>> $> In the USA, the Liberal thinking Democrats vote dead against Mr.
> $>> $> the surge in Iraq, but when the surge goes ahead and is successful,
> $>> Obama
> $>> $> takes credit for it's success.
> $>> $>
> $>> $> Talk about double talk.
> $>> $
> $>> $Now now, Liberals are the smartest and most intelligent. After all,
> $>> $mind........
> $>
> $> Are you sure Al Gore even knows how to use the Internet.
> $> (OK, it's a low blow, but it was wide open.)
> $>
> $> John Fleming
> $> Edmonton, Canada
> $
> $LOL - John, how else could Gore make money marketing the global collapse
> $caused by Global Warming if he wasn't posting propaganda on the internet?
> $Only the most brainwashed liberals will listen to him in person.
That's what consultants are for.