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RED TORY, PINK TORY, BLUE TORY, WHITE TRASH TORY

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May 17, 2009, 9:52:11 PM5/17/09
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If the Conservative Party of Canada wishes to remain electorally
relevant, then they will have to replace American Republican-style
Stephen Harper with at least a "Pink Tory" in the mold of Robert
Stanfield,
Joe Clark, John Robarts, Bill Davism and Peter Lougheed. "Pink Tories"
support things such as a well funded social safety net (i.e., welfare,
disability, old age pensions, one tier universal national healthcare
system, homeless shelters, ect.), public housing (i.e., housing for
low income people), public education
(i.e., kindergarten to high school), public transportation (buses,
subways, street cars); progressive taxation (rich should pay more than
the poor), social liberalism (i.e., gay rights, abortion rights,
women's rights, hate crimes legislation, anti-discrimination laws,
ect), and elements of public employment (i.e., certain sectors of the
economy should be crown corporations such as Air Canada, Bell
Telephone, Petro-Canada, ect.). "Pink Tories" are also strongly
committed to immigration, bi-lingualism, and multiculturalism.
"Pink Tories" support more things such as free trade, UN peacekeeping,
the limited use of the Canadian military in war zones, a tough
criminal justice system (but no death penalty), the right to bear arms
(within reason) and support for the environment (i.e., Kyoto
protocol". "Pink Tories" also support foreign aid, the UN, the IMF,
the WTO, the World Bank, the G8, NATO, NORAD, and the International
Criminal Court. "Pink Tories" tend to mostly be found in Quebec and
Ontario and current Conservative Party of Canada MP's who fit the
"Pink Tory" mould are Lawrence Cannon, Jean-Pierre Blackburn, Maxime
Bernier,
Josée Verner, Jim Prentice, and Hugh Segal (a Tory Senator). "Pink
Tories" who are Progressive Conservative Party of Ontario MPP's are
Elizabeth Witmer, Janet Ecker, Ted Arnott, Ernie Eves, and John Tory
(who does not have a seat anymore). In Alberta, the only "Pink Tory"
in a sea of vicious, mean minded, frugal, sour, dour, right-wing ,neo-
con, American Republican-style ass holes would be Jim Dinning.

I would much prefer that the Conservative Party of Canada get
themselves a truly "Red Tory" leader, who would embrace all of the
aforementioned "Pink Tory" policies, but would also totally oppose
free trade in favour of strict economic nationalism and trade
protectionism. "Red Tories" also support a neutral and non-
interventionist foreign policy (i.e., no wars at all except where
there is a direct threat to Canada), Keynesian market interventionism
(as oppose to free market fundamentalism that even Pink Tories more or
less support), and above all a deep suspicion of the USA and a strong
desire to avoid any sort
of North American political, economic, military, or cultural
integration. "Red Tories" today would be David Orchard and have
historically been Sir John A. Macdonald, Robert Borden, and John
Diefenbaker. In distinction to the American experience where class
divisions were seen as undemocratic (although still existing),
Canadian Red Tories adopted a more patriarchal view of government.
Monarchy, public order and good government - understood as dedication
to the common good - preceded, moderated, and balanced an unequivocal
belief in individual rights and liberty.

This type of Canadian conservatism is derived largely from the Tory
tradition evoked by English conservative thinkers and statesmen such
as Richard Hooker, the Seventh Earl of Shaftesbury, and Benjamin
Disraeli, later the First Earl of Beaconsfield. The primary influences
on Canadian Toryism in the Victorian age were Disraeli's One Nation
Conservatism and the radical Toryism advocated by Lord Randolph
Churchill. Inherent in these Tory traditions was the ideal of noblesse
oblige and a conservative communitarianism.

Historically, Canadian conservatism has been derived from the British
Tory tradition, with a distinctive concern for a balance between
individual rights and collectivism, as mediated through a traditional
pre-industrial standard of morality - which has never been as evident
in American conservatism. Today, however, Red Tories are often simply
characterized as the more left-wing faction of the contemporary
Conservative party, or a Conservative committed to the welfare state
and/or liberal social policy.

Red Toryism derives largely from a British Tory and imperialist
tradition that maintained the unequal division of wealth and political
privilege among social classes can be justified, if members of the
privileged class contribute to the common good. Red Tories supported
traditional institutions like religion and the monarchy, and
maintenance of the social order. Later, this would manifest itself as
support for the welfare state. This belief in a common good, as
expanded on in Colin Campbell and William Christian's Political
Parties and Ideologies in Canada, is at the root of Red Toryism.

I don't think the Conservative Party of Canada go back to the "Blue
Tory" mould which is largely characterized by policies such as those
of Brian Mulroney, Kim Campbell, and Jean Charest. "Blue Tories" are
even more pro-free trade than "Pink Tories" but do not support as
strong a social safety net as they do. "Blue Tories" also love free
market capitalism, deregulation, and the weakening of labour laws.
"Blue Tories", also known as small 'c' conservatives, are, in Canadian
politics, members of the former Progressive Conservative Party of
Canada and current Conservative Party of Canada who are more
economically right wing. Prior to the 1960's, these Conservatives were
most identified with the Montreal and Toronto commercial elite who
took positions of influence within the Progressive Conservative Party.
Since the mid-1970's, they have been heavily influenced by the neo-
liberal movement. "Blue Tories" tend to favour neo-liberal policies
such as devolution of federal power to the provincial governments, a
reduced role for government in the economy, reduction of taxation and
similar mainstream neo conservative ideals. However, "Blue Tories"
still support certain "Pink Tory" policies such as universal national
healthcare, Canadian pension plan, public housing, public education,
ect.

Conservative Party of Canada MP's who fit the "Blue Tory" mould are
Peter MacKay, Tony Clement, John Baird, Rob Nicholson,and Rob Moore.
"Blue Tories" worship Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher.

The absolutely worst type of Tory is the American Republican-style
Tory who is represented by Stephen Harper, Stockwell Day, Preston
Manning, Chuck Strahl, Myron Thompson, Darrel Stinson, Rob Anders, Tom
Lukiwski and just about anyone who was ever a member of the Reform
Party/Canadian Alliance and/or who is a Conservative Party of Canada
MP from Western Canada. These American Republican-style Tories tend to
be economically libertarian and to various degrees oppose any sort of
social safety net
(i.e., welfare, disability, old age pensions, one tier universal
national healthcare system, homeless shelters, ect.). They do support
public education but are also fond of tax breaks for private schools.
They do support public transportation and public housing but to a very
limit degree. They are American ass kissers in the extreme and worship
George W. Bush as a living GOD. They support illegal and unwinnable
wars (i.e., Iraq and Afghanistan). They tend to various degrees to be
anti-abortion, anti-gay rights, anti-women's equality. They tend to
various degrees to oppose immigration, bilingualism, and
multiculturalism. They tend to be dominated by White Anglo Saxon
Evangelical Protestants who are Christian Zionists. They tend to
various degrees to support both capital punishment and corporal
punishment. They tend to various degrees to deny global warming,
evolution, autism, and biological homosexuality. They tend to various
degrees to be Luddites who dislike and fear modernity, change,
globalization, cosmopolitanism, diversity, ect. They tend to various
degrees to hate Ontario, Quebec, big cities, women, visible
minorities, aboriginals, and homosexuals.

These American Republican-style Tories also tend to be affiliated with
right-wing lobby groups and think tanks such as the Fraser Institute,
Focus on the Family, the Canada Family Action Coalition. These
American Republican-style Tory MP's and their voting base tend to be
made up largely of ignorant, common, low class, pedestrian level, blue
collar, uneducated, untraveled, unenlightened,
populist, right-wing reactionary, Redneck White Trash who are usually
from Alberta.

American Republican-style Tories at the provincial level in Ontario
are represented by Mike Harris, Tim Hudak, Randy Hillier, ect.

American Republican-style Tories at the provincial level in Alberta
are represented by Ralph Klein, Ted Morton, Ed Stelmach, ect.

Jim Flaherty used to be an American Republican-style Tory but is now
more of a Blue Tory. Stephen Harper is in between a Blue Tory and an
American Republican-style Tory.

-Robert James (Auld Bob) Peffers

The Doctor

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In article <01a68e79-53d6-4cb1...@s31g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
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You think this will happen?? LOL!!
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