Shoppers Drug Mart - Don't go there or be accused of stealing.
Ned
abuses...I'd sue...they'll roll over as they don't want the bad publicity
and they'll kick out 10 or 20 thousand.
"J Sheppard" <shep...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I was recently in the Shoppers in the North Hill Mall (With my
> children). It was Saturday so I dressed down that day. Monday to
> Friday I'm a suit wearing office manager. I was dragged back in the
> store and accused of shoplifting. The store security searched me and
> my children and found no stolen items. Then proceeded to tell me in
> front of my children that he saw me steal and that if I didn't give
> him what I stole that he would call the police. I said "Go right
> ahead because I am not a shoplifter" The police came, did a full
> search on me and my children and let me go after realizing that I did
> not steal anything. The store security gave me a half assed apology
> (Without looking at me) Be careful if you go into shoppers and are
> browsing in the easter stuff section you may be accused of
> shoplifting. Ranks up there with the most humiliating experience of
> my life. (Wouldn't have been so bad if my kids were not there)
> Should I sue them?
Steven C. (Doktersteve)
safeway that used to be in marlborough mall.
A family lawyer threatened the company, and they paid us not to talk to the
media about it.
Mr. Zen
witness... Call you lawyer today! Don't let it happen to someone else. Also,
there is a good chance the person who accused you will lose his/her job!
Mr. Zen
"Ned" <Ne...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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HD
jugular on this. Sue the store and the prick that put you in this
situation. Suing him personally would more than put him on the hot seat.
Way too many wannabee security guards with power hungry attitudes out there.
Time to put out their power hungry fire.
veranda
news:2d2de07e.04030...@posting.google.com...
> I was recently in the Shoppers in the North Hill Mall (With my
> children). It was Saturday so I dressed down that day. Monday to
> Friday I'm a suit wearing office manager. I was dragged back in the
> store and accused of shoplifting. The store security searched me and
> my children and found no stolen items. Then proceeded to tell me in
> front of my children that he saw me steal and that if I didn't give
> him what I stole that he would call the police. I said "Go right
> ahead because I am not a shoplifter" The police came, did a full
> search on me and my children and let me go after realizing that I did
> not steal anything. The store security gave me a half assed apology
> (Without looking at me) Be careful if you go into shoppers and are
> browsing in the easter stuff section you may be accused of
> shoplifting. Ranks up there with the most humiliating experience of
> my life. (Wouldn't have been so bad if my kids were not there)
> Should I sue them?
A native on medication - acting drowsy - who was refused service and stopped by the Superstore
security received $ 5,000 in compensation , search Google .
Write a letter to the store management asking for an undetermined compensation . After you
describe the incident in Detail proving the COP's name , etc. , state in the letter " ... with
those facts in mind I am asking you to talk to your Lawyers to determine the fair amount for my
compensation . If your lawyer's proposal will be unsatisfactory I will need to take this matter for
a second opinion in front of a judge . " .
Track down the cop ... ask for the security video tapes . Ask the cop to help you secure them .
But to get a better idea I would need every detail you can remember specially how they search
you in front of your kids ( how old ? ) .
Start with the letter , tells us later what happened , good luck !
HD
to help you secure them .
> But to get a better idea I would need every detail you can remember
specially how they search
> you in front of your kids ( how old ? ) .
> Start with the letter , tells us later what happened , good luck !
This may be hard to do if they reuse the tapes. Securing the tapes can be
done by asking for the copies from SDM. If they refuse , and probably will
based on " security " issues then your attorney will be required to get
the tape. The longer you wait, the greater the odds the tape will be
history.
DDB
I have the name of a good one if you want.
ender<remove>
> Yea you can take these guys to court, you even have the police as your
> witness... Call you lawyer today! Don't let it happen to someone else. Also,
> there is a good chance the person who accused you will lose his/her job!
>
> Mr. Zen
Are you guys Americans?
joe
until the police arrive.. They do not have the right to arbitrarily
search you, only a peace officer may.
DDB
"ender<remove> @telus.net>" <"ender<remove> wrote in message
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>
> Are you guys Americans?
Why b/c we feel this poor guy should be compensated and the store should be
punished for an obvious and flagrant violation of his and his children's
rights?!?!
Are you a spineless Canadian who backs down at the first sign of a fight?
DMen
like that, and they were clear that store security has the right to detain
you and call the fuzz on suspicion - so no more talk of suing, as it'd just
make a bad situation worse, no matter how good it'd make you feel. Did you
think they'd do this stuff and then call the cops if there was a legal
problem with it? Sounds like they followed a standard policy to me.
I'm more curious about what they were searching your kids for. What did
they think you were using them as mules for? How many dollars worth of
prime 'Shoppers Drugmart' product can a little kid hold without bulging
ridiculously? "Quick, Timmy - stuff this box of Tic-Tacs, this German
Karaoke CD, and this travel-sized bottle of shampoo down your trousers
before the store dick sees you!"
DMen
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veranda
Actually we are trying hard not to .
DDB
"DMen" <dy...@shREMOVEaw.ca> wrote in message
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> Nope, it's all 100% legal.
I watched a program on TV that discussed issues
> like that, and they were clear that store security has the right to detain
> you and call the fuzz on suspicion - so no more talk of suing, as it'd
just
> make a bad situation worse, no matter how good it'd make you feel. Did
you
> think they'd do this stuff and then call the cops if there was a legal
> problem with it? Sounds like they followed a standard policy to me.
>
> I'm more curious about what they were searching your kids for. What did
> they think you were using them as mules for? How many dollars worth of
> prime 'Shoppers Drugmart' product can a little kid hold without bulging
> ridiculously? "Quick, Timmy - stuff this box of Tic-Tacs, this German
> Karaoke CD, and this travel-sized bottle of shampoo down your trousers
> before the store dick sees you!"
>
> DMen
>
Sorry but you're wrong! This gentleman could possibly sue using the torts
of False Arrest, False Imprisonment and possibly Battery, and possibly
Defamation.
1. In order for store security to "arrest" and detain someone they have to
see them commiting an offense if they didn't actually see the offense it is
a false arrest.
2. If the gentleman was held against his will with no lawful justification
it is False Imprisonment.
3. The gentleman could also possibly sue for battery because the store
security violated his and his childrens physical space in searching them.
4. The store security called him a thief in front of his children defaming
his character.
Any questions?
7h3_Fr13nd1y...@salmahayeksknockers.edu
> Nope, it's all 100% legal. I watched a program on TV that discussed issues
> like that, and they were clear that store security has the right to detain
> you and call the fuzz on suspicion - so no more talk of suing, as it'd just
> make a bad situation worse, no matter how good it'd make you feel. Did you
> think they'd do this stuff and then call the cops if there was a legal
> problem with it? Sounds like they followed a standard policy to me.
Sounds reasonable.
> I'm more curious about what they were searching your kids for. What did
> they think you were using them as mules for? How many dollars worth of
> prime 'Shoppers Drugmart' product can a little kid hold without bulging
> ridiculously? "Quick, Timmy - stuff this box of Tic-Tacs, this German
> Karaoke CD, and this travel-sized bottle of shampoo down your trousers
> before the store dick sees you!"
hahahahah... Too funny.
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Yurasis Dragon
>Are you a spineless Canadian who backs down at the first sign of a fight?
I thought that France proudly wore that label.
~ Look, I'm cool like Tom2Tec!
DMen
The store just has to claim probable cause. From Sheppard's description,
All of these criteria were met by the store:
1. You must see the shoplifter approach your merchandise
2. You must see the shoplifter select your merchandise
3. You must see the shoplifter conceal or carry away your merchandise
4. You must maintain continuous observation the shoplifter
5. You must see the shoplifter fail to pay for the merchandise
6. You must allow the shoplifter to leave the store
All of these together constitute probable cause. The exclusion of point
three opens the door to a possible 'false arrest' lawsuit, but the
likelihood of the lawsuit succeeding are exceedingly remote, as the others
appear to have been met satisfactorily (He doesn't specify point 2, so I'm
giving the store the benefit of the doubt there). Note that Sheppard
alleges the manager said "that he saw me steal ". The courts are not
unaware that a random scratch or trick of light can cause an honest mistake
on an observer's part, and as long as the rest of the procedure was followed
correctly, will likely allow it unless it becomes aware of unusual or
extreme circumstances, such as a history of similar, repeated incidents at
the store, the observer having a prior relationship with the accused, or the
accused being a stage magician.
So your points 1, 2 and 4 wouldn't go too far with any judge, and your point
3 is just silly considering store security ensured law enforcement did the
search. "The police came, did a full search on me and my children"
I do wonder about the searching the kids part though. That would indicate
that they believed that 'continuous observation' wasn't followed, as they
figured there could have been a time when the 'stolen goods' could have been
transferred from Sheppard to the kids. You can usually get away with
missing one point, but two is enough to establish doubt in any judges mind.
DMen
"DDB" <some...@someplace.com> wrote in message
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ender<remove>
Some dumbass rent a cop got all hot under the collar and went too far,
so you think he deserves 20k because he was embarrassed in front of his
kids? He maintained his innocence and was proved right by the police,
not only should he use the lesson with his kids, but teaching them that
they can take advantage of someone else's mistake for financial gain is
gross.
DDB
DDB
facie wrong is not gross.
Maybe the next time the "dumbass hot under the collar rent a cop" will have
to think of the consequences beforehand and Shopper's will have to hire and
train it's employees more efficiently.
I never mentioned an amount for damages... but if the standard is lets say
$20,000 and society agrees this is too much ...then this is an issue for
judicial reform that shouldn't be shouldered by the victim in this story.
"ender<remove> @telus.net>" <"ender<remove> wrote in message
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veranda
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> DMen <dy...@shremoveaw.ca> wrote:
> > Nope, it's all 100% legal. I watched a program on TV that discussed issues
> > like that, and they were clear that store security has the right to detain
> > you and call the fuzz on suspicion - so no more talk of suing, as it'd just
> > make a bad situation worse, no matter how good it'd make you feel. Did you
> > think they'd do this stuff and then call the cops if there was a legal
> > problem with it? Sounds like they followed a standard policy to me.
>
> Sounds reasonable.
>
> > I'm more curious about what they were searching your kids for. What did
> > they think you were using them as mules for? How many dollars worth of
> > prime 'Shoppers Drugmart' product can a little kid hold without bulging
> > ridiculously? "Quick, Timmy - stuff this box of Tic-Tacs, this German
> > Karaoke CD, and this travel-sized bottle of shampoo down your trousers
> > before the store dick sees you!"
>
> hahahahah... Too funny.
>
walking in the alleys and otherways looking normal : " I AM NOT STEALING , I AM NOT STEALING !!!!!
" ... Do the same on your way to the cash register and while waiting in line !
DevilsPGD
<"ender<remove>"@telus.net> did ramble:
>Are you guys Americans?
Nope. Can I imprison you without cause for an arbitrary period of time
and humiliate you in front of your children?
--
'Tis far better to have snipped too much than to never have snipped at all.
Dr. Fred Mbogo
news:2d2de07e.04030...@posting.google.com:
> shoplifting. Ranks up there with the most humiliating experience of
> my life.
I feel bad enough just being asked to leave my backpack at the counter. I
typically won't go back to stores that do that if I can possibly avoid it.
I can imagine how upsetting this must have been for you.
> Should I sue them?
No, because there's already too much litigation in this world. I would
have at least demanded a written apology from the manager and/or the guard
though, and I'd let them know that none of my family and friends would
ever shop at that chain again.
Lance A Boyle
Chicklets.
Sue the bastards.
Lance
Larry S
something for nothing which is what it boils down to.
An Unexploded Scotsman
wrote:
>Go ahead and sue them. It's a good way to teach your kids how to get
>something for nothing which is what it boils down to.
>
Yes. Much better to teach one's children to be mindless serfs, bowing
to authority without questioning and tolerating any injustice.
Fuck that. Blow the place up.
Or a least get an apology and a shit load of Shopper's points.
lho...@mayaninvaders.com
> not steal anything. The store security gave me a half assed apology
> (Without looking at me) Be careful if you go into shoppers and are
> browsing in the easter stuff section you may be accused of
> Should I sue them?
I think you probably could. This happened to my Mother once, she didn't
speak any English at the time. I was five at the time, I don't remember if
they searched me too..
They made a huge show out of it too, she was
just trying to get friggin' groceries.
Now that I think about it, I had a similar mishap at a Shoppers, I made them
give me a store credit. At least get a formal apology out of them.
lho...@mayaninvaders.com
> The only one that can decide to sue is you. I personally would go for the
> jugular on this. Sue the store and the prick that put you in this
> situation. Suing him personally would more than put him on the hot seat.
> Way too many wannabee security guards with power hungry attitudes out there.
> Time to put out their power hungry fire.
That's totally over the top. That security guard is the little guy, I think
you can still be gracious about this and teach him a bit of a lesson.
I think if you make a stink about it, get yourformal apology from the store
AND the security guard it should make an impression he'd not soon forget.
HD
ruins it for the few who are good.
The security guard is the little guy , with a wanna be big guy attitude (
again, not all ). Surely this guy could have seen there was no crime
commited if he reviewed the tape while detaining the shopper.
Thank goodness guards in this country don't carry guns ( at least I know of
none ). They'd shoot first and ask questions later.
<lho...@mayaninvaders.com> wrote in message
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3r1c_3...@salmahayeksknockers.edu
> I disagree, there are too many guards with the I'm God attitude. It
> ruins it for the few who are good.
Guards are there to implement the policies of their employers.
Often, we find those polcies restrictive, but they're in place for the
security and wellbeing of all.
By chance, I got to know a few of the guards at the last tower I worked in.
All good people. There's always gonna be a few bad eggs, but that can be
said of any vocation.
--
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"The human rights organization Amnesty International said in a report in
December that Israel has made about 16,700 Palestinians homeless by
destroying at least 2,650 houses since 1987"
-Associated Press (04/23/2000)
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ILuvIsocyanates
> I was recently in the Shoppers in the North Hill Mall (With my
> children). It was Saturday so I dressed down that day. Monday to
> Friday I'm a suit wearing office manager. I was dragged back in the
> store and accused of shoplifting. The store security searched me and
> my children and found no stolen items. Then proceeded to tell me in
> front of my children that he saw me steal and that if I didn't give
> him what I stole that he would call the police. I said "Go right
> ahead because I am not a shoplifter" The police came, did a full
> search on me and my children and let me go after realizing that I did
> (Without looking at me) Be careful if you go into shoppers and are
> browsing in the easter stuff section you may be accused of
> shoplifting. Ranks up there with the most humiliating experience of
> my life. (Wouldn't have been so bad if my kids were not there)
> Should I sue them?
Yes, you absolutely should sue them. You have a good case for unlawful
detainment and possibly others, and the amount you should ask for shouldn't
exceed $10,000. $5,000 is the best amount as this is a number that the vast
majority of big corporations will pay off rather than fight because it's
approximately the total of their legal costs and lost business due to the
damage their reputation will receive in court. When you understand that, you
realize that whether you have a chance of winning or not is irrelevant. You
will have to sign a non disclosure agreement when you're paid off.
ender<remove>
> Punishing the negligent wrongdoer and compensating the victim of a prima
> facie wrong is not gross.
>
> Maybe the next time the "dumbass hot under the collar rent a cop" will have
> to think of the consequences beforehand and Shopper's will have to hire and
> train it's employees more efficiently.
>
> I never mentioned an amount for damages... but if the standard is lets say
> $20,000 and society agrees this is too much ...then this is an issue for
> judicial reform that shouldn't be shouldered by the victim in this story.
>
If you're not already a lawyer you should definitely look at a career
change, you've got the attitude down anyway.
ender<remove>
> In message <<MU63c.40361$n17.24971@clgrps13>> "ender<remove>"
> <"ender<remove>"@telus.net> did ramble:
>
>
>>Are you guys Americans?
>
>
> Nope. Can I imprison you without cause for an arbitrary period of time
> and humiliate you in front of your children?
>
You can accuse me of stealing, you can hold me until the cops show up, I
think someone else already said that was fine since the cop obviously
thought he had a cause. If I let you humilitate me, it's my problem.
What the guy should have done is simply not co-operate. Mall cops make
$8 per hour guys if you want to get frisked by these kids instead of
insisting the real cops show up and dealing with them thats your
problem. Know your rights.
ender<remove>
> shep...@hotmail.com (J Sheppard) wrote in
> news:2d2de07e.04030...@posting.google.com:
>
>
>>shoplifting. Ranks up there with the most humiliating experience of
>>my life.
>
>
> I feel bad enough just being asked to leave my backpack at the counter. I
> typically won't go back to stores that do that if I can possibly avoid it.
> I can imagine how upsetting this must have been for you.
This is why I avoid superstore like the plague.
ender<remove>
> On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 04:28:37 GMT, "Larry S" <larry22...@telus.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Go ahead and sue them. It's a good way to teach your kids how to get
>>something for nothing which is what it boils down to.
>>
>
>
> Yes. Much better to teach one's children to be mindless serfs, bowing
> to authority without questioning and tolerating any injustice.
He already taught them this lesson by bowing to the rent a cop, now he
feels bad and wants to sue, boo hoo.
talktothehand
<"ender<remove>"@telus.net> wrote:
>
>Some dumbass rent a cop got all hot under the collar and went too far,
>so you think he deserves 20k because he was embarrassed in front of his
>kids? He maintained his innocence and was proved right by the police,
>not only should he use the lesson with his kids, but teaching them that
>they can take advantage of someone else's mistake for financial gain is
>gross.
Is the glass half empty or half full? Seeing someone else get sued for
being an ass may prevent that child from growing up and being an ass.
talktothehand
wrote:
>Go ahead and sue them. It's a good way to teach your kids how to get
>something for nothing which is what it boils down to.
I agree, it will also teach them to be careful what they accuse others
of doing without proof.
>
Jo Cloe
On Tue, 9 Mar 2004 16:08:54 -0500, "Basilic" <Bas...@no.thanks>
wrote:
>I can't believe it. You are already Americanized. You've been so
>indoctrinated by US media, TV and Movies.
>
>I ask, do you really want live in a society where anybody could sue someone
>else for the smallest of things such as slander or threats (something not
>taken seriously by one person could be misconstrued as very serious by
>another person, ie 'you do that and I'm gonna kill you')? Do you want to
>teach our children how to get something for nothing (isn't it bad enough
Perhaps if you refer to a frivolous lawsuit...... I agree.
>with the welfare leaches)? Are you ready to live without insurance or pay 5
>to 10 to 20 times more than you are already paying? Do you really want to
>live in paranoia where you watch everything you say and do?
>
>While I agree that there are definitivly people out there with a chip on
>thier shoulders, why should society have to pay because of thier attitudes?
The government is no different really. Take notice that fines surpass
incarceration. Some people need to be hit in the wallet to learn.
Eat Dirt
wrote:
> I can't believe it. You are already Americanized. You've been so
> indoctrinated by US media, TV and Movies.
J Sheppard is not the Americanized one here - Shoppers is, along with
their staff. What they did is typical of American arrogance. Give some
unemmployed bum an uniform, pay him minimum wage and all of a sudden he
starts to feel important.
J sheppard is a victim here and he should teach the shitty management at
Shoppers that Canadians won't put up with their crap. I would sue - at
the very least threaten and make them sweat. Stuff like this can't go
unchecked or you and I will get the same treatment next time we walk
into their doors.
Btw Shoppers suck in the first place. Why go there and pay more than if
you went to London drugs or Safeway?
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I'm a fit Mac user that drives fast - so get da hell outta mah way.
talktothehand
wrote:
>
>"DDB" <some...@someplace.com> wrote in message
>news:%D93c.2425$Up2.544@pd7tw1no...
>> Punishing the negligent wrongdoer and compensating the victim of a prima
>> facie wrong is not gross.
>
>Not gross, but the idea of sueing for monetary compensation is. That's what
>Americanization is, do you want to live in a society where everybody is
>sueing everybody else?
Yes.
lho...@mayaninvaders.com
> First of all I'm a girl.
> This guy claims he saw me steal........yet searched
> me.........searched my kids (Daughters 10 and 11) and yet found
> nothing. The police came and I was searched a second time (By a
> female officer) and again nothing was found. Anyone have experience
> with this kind of thing. That was so embarassing in front of my kids.
Either take them to court, demand an apology from all parties or leave it
be. Strike while the iron is hot.
talktothehand
>Or teach them to be more careful while shoplifting.
But they will learn either way that there are consequences.
An Unexploded Scotsman
wrote:
>I was recently in the Shoppers in the North Hill Mall (With my
>children). It was Saturday so I dressed down that day. Monday to
>Friday I'm a suit wearing office manager. I was dragged back in the
>store and accused of shoplifting. The store security searched me and
>my children and found no stolen items. Then proceeded to tell me in
>front of my children that he saw me steal and that if I didn't give
>him what I stole that he would call the police. I said "Go right
>ahead because I am not a shoplifter" The police came, did a full
>search on me and my children and let me go after realizing that I did
>not steal anything. The store security gave me a half assed apology
>(Without looking at me) Be careful if you go into shoppers and are
>browsing in the easter stuff section you may be accused of
>shoplifting. Ranks up there with the most humiliating experience of
>my life. (Wouldn't have been so bad if my kids were not there)
>Should I sue them?
I'm curious, does the store have a legal right to detain you?
I'm not really sure how I'd react in that situation.
DevilsPGD
<j...@telus.net> did ramble:
>Are you not aware of your rights? They have the right to detain you
>until the police arrive..
Only if you have done something wrong. If they are proven correct, then
they have a valid legal defense against false imprisonment should you be
stupid enough to try to being charges.
However, when a rentacop gets it wrong, they ARE liable.
Or so a rentacop friend tells me, from his own training. While it may
or may not be accurate, it sounds reasonable.
>They do not have the right to arbitrarily
>search you, only a peace officer may.
True, although if they request permission to search you, and you grant
permission (thinking it will end the idiocy), then you may have given up
your rights in this area voluntarily.
--
Ah, the miracle mile, where value wears a neon sombrero and there's
not a single church or library to offend the eye.
DevilsPGD
<fred-...@shaw.ca> did ramble:
>> shoplifting. Ranks up there with the most humiliating experience of
>> my life.
>
>I feel bad enough just being asked to leave my backpack at the counter. I
>typically won't go back to stores that do that if I can possibly avoid it.
>I can imagine how upsetting this must have been for you.
heh. I usually ask them for a deposit equal to no less then 75% of the
replacement cost (insurable value) of the contents of my bag (Which can
be substantial if I happen to have my laptop, digital camera, MP3
jukebox, Palm, a Palm CDPD modem, a laptop CDPD modem, Palm GPS and/or
standalone GPS)
What can I say, I'm a geek, and I often carry plenty of toys with me,
significantly more then the value of what I could reasonably steal from
A&B sound without them noticing (I think they'd notice if a couple of us
grabbed a 42" widescreen off the display rack)
I'm more then happy to explain to a manager that I don't trust him any
more then he trusts me. I'm usually allowed to keep my bag, although
I've been turned away from a couple places (A&B being one of them, IIRC)
DevilsPGD
<"ender<remove>"@telus.net> did ramble:
>> Nope. Can I imprison you without cause for an arbitrary period of time
>> and humiliate you in front of your children?
>
>You can accuse me of stealing, you can hold me until the cops show up, I
>think someone else already said that was fine since the cop obviously
>thought he had a cause. If I let you humilitate me, it's my problem.
>What the guy should have done is simply not co-operate. Mall cops make
>$8 per hour guys if you want to get frisked by these kids instead of
>insisting the real cops show up and dealing with them thats your
>problem. Know your rights.
And if they decide to not call the cops for 30 minutes (but tell you
they have called the police already), how long will you choose to wait?
How about if you're late to get back to a job? Or for a dentist
appointment?
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Boom. Boom boom boom. Boom boom. BOOM. Have a nice day.
-- Susan Ivanova, B5
DevilsPGD
<F...@SNL.COM> did ramble:
>>I agree, it will also teach them to be careful what they accuse
>>others of doing without proof.
>
>Or teach them to be more careful while shoplifting.
Either way, it will teach them a life lesson.
DDB
commited a crime....if they make a mistake, as in this case, they are open
to legal action against them.
"An Unexploded Scotsman" <pl...@kaboom.com> wrote in message
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JSheppard
have any ideas on how it may have been removed?
"Basilic" <Bas...@no.thanks> wrote in message news:404e287a$1_3@aeinews....
>
> "DDB" <some...@someplace.com> wrote in message
> news:%D93c.2425$Up2.544@pd7tw1no...
> > Punishing the negligent wrongdoer and compensating the victim of a prima
> > facie wrong is not gross.
>
> Not gross, but the idea of sueing for monetary compensation is. That's
what
> Americanization is, do you want to live in a society where everybody is
> sueing everybody else?
>
> >
> > Maybe the next time the "dumbass hot under the collar rent a cop" will
> have
> > to think of the consequences beforehand and Shopper's will have to hire
> and
> > train it's employees more efficiently.
>
> Sure there are means to get the point across other than sue, how about a
> public apology? How about just loosing his job, then and there?
>
> >
> > I never mentioned an amount for damages... but if the standard is lets
say
> > $20,000 and society agrees this is too much ...then this is an issue for
> > judicial reform that shouldn't be shouldered by the victim in this
story.
>
> The victim would still have to pay for a lawyer, loose work days (salary),
> etc.
>
> >
> >
> > "ender<remove> @telus.net>" <"ender<remove> wrote in message
> > news:tk93c.40367$n17.10826@clgrps13...
JSheppard
NOTHING!!!
"Father Guido" <F...@SNL.COM> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 00:15:33 GMT, talktothehand
> <talkto...@invalid.com> wrote:
>
jshe...@runge.com.au
Ummm ok moron........So where do you think I hid the supposed hidden
goods......?.....by dropping my drawers in the store and stuffing them
into the orifaces of my body.......ok freak
>On 9 Mar 2004 08:31:59 -0800, shep...@hotmail.com (J Sheppard)
>wrote:
>
>>First of all I'm a girl.
>>
>>This guy claims he saw me steal........yet searched
>>me.........searched my kids (Daughters 10 and 11) and yet found
>>nothing. The police came and I was searched a second time (By a
>>female officer) and again nothing was found.
>
>The way you put it almost sounds like you did take something but no
>one could find it.
>
>>Anyone have experience with this kind of thing. That was so
>>embarassing in front of my kids.
>
>Ummm, you probably wouldn't want to have been separated during this
>time anyway.
>
>Shoplifting is a major crime, that costs all of us money. Have you
>seen the price of chocolate bars lately? Oh wait, that's them stealing
>from us.
JSheppard
Do I tell them that I think the media would be interested in a story like
this............or do I just call a lawyer?
OgreMan
Have him call the store and get you $20k to not go to the media.
"JSheppard" <jshe...@runge.com.au> wrote in message
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DDB
"JSheppard" <jshe...@runge.com.au> wrote in message
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Dr. Fred Mbogo
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> In message <<Xns94A6C14...@24.69.255.211>> "Dr. Fred Mbogo"
><fred-...@shaw.ca> did ramble:
>>I feel bad enough just being asked to leave my backpack at the counter. I
>>typically won't go back to stores that do that if I can possibly avoid it.
>>I can imagine how upsetting this must have been for you.
>
> heh. I usually ask them for a deposit equal to no less then 75% of the
> replacement cost (insurable value) of the contents of my bag (Which can
> be substantial if I happen to have my laptop, digital camera, MP3
> jukebox, Palm, a Palm CDPD modem, a laptop CDPD modem, Palm GPS and/or
> standalone GPS)
LOL! I'll have to try that some time. :)
> I'm more then happy to explain to a manager that I don't trust him any
> more then he trusts me. I'm usually allowed to keep my bag, although
> I've been turned away from a couple places (A&B being one of them, IIRC)
I've found that in chain stores the enforcement of these customer prevention
policies varies a lot from location to location. At one A&B they nab everyone
with a bag on their way in. At another I've never been bothered nor have I
seen anyone else get bothered.
Thankfully, one of my favorite stores recently dropped the bag policy and
another limited it to the basement where the cashier can't see. Maybe people
are starting to wise up about bothering customers.
DevilsPGD
<fred-...@shaw.ca> did ramble:
>I've found that in chain stores the enforcement of these customer prevention
>policies varies a lot from location to location. At one A&B they nab everyone
>with a bag on their way in. At another I've never been bothered nor have I
>seen anyone else get bothered.
I used to get hassled at A&B sound downtown all the time, but they don't
appear to care anymore. Perhaps it depends on their own security
system.
--
And sometimes I park, in handicapped spaces,
While handicapped people, make handicapped faces!
-- Denis Leary
talktothehand
wrote:
>Ok it pretty much comes down to this..........
>
>Do I tell them that I think the media would be interested in a story like
>this............or do I just call a lawyer?
The first visit to a lawyer is usually free and if you really want to
know how you stand just call them on the phone and ask them if you
have a case. I have done this and they were more than willing to let
me know. Why waste their time you know. Me? I would have been
mortified so I feel that you should do whatever it is that you can. No
one should have that kind of power and abuse it. No one.
>
talktothehand
<lalala...@crazyhat.net> wrote:
>In message <<Xns94A6C14...@24.69.255.211>> "Dr. Fred Mbogo"
><fred-...@shaw.ca> did ramble:
>
>>> shoplifting. Ranks up there with the most humiliating experience of
>>> my life.
>>
>>I feel bad enough just being asked to leave my backpack at the counter. I
>>typically won't go back to stores that do that if I can possibly avoid it.
>>I can imagine how upsetting this must have been for you.
>
>heh. I usually ask them for a deposit equal to no less then 75% of the
>replacement cost (insurable value) of the contents of my bag (Which can
>be substantial if I happen to have my laptop, digital camera, MP3
>jukebox, Palm, a Palm CDPD modem, a laptop CDPD modem, Palm GPS and/or
>standalone GPS)
I know and understand why stores ask for your backpack but how is this
any different than a woman carrying a purse or one of those huge
bloody purses? I mean not that it is going to happen but, you can put
alot of diamond rings into a purse just as easily as into a backpack
and believe me, I would never in a million years leave my purse with
any manager or store.
Dr. Fred Mbogo
news:errv40dq2udmpq6jh...@4ax.com:
> I know and understand why stores ask for your backpack but how is this
> any different than a woman carrying a purse or one of those huge
> bloody purses? I mean not that it is going to happen but, you can put
> alot of diamond rings into a purse just as easily as into a backpack
> and believe me, I would never in a million years leave my purse with
> any manager or store.
In fact, it's harder to stuff things into a backpack than any other kind of
bag because you have to take it off your back first to unzip it.
Some stores claim it's because backpacks are big and tend to get in peoples'
way and knock stuff off shelves. I can see that in very cramped stores and
with very big hippy packs.
Dr. Fred Mbogo
news:arnv40h3e039rm40g...@4ax.com:
> I used to get hassled at A&B sound downtown all the time, but they don't
> appear to care anymore. Perhaps it depends on their own security
> system.
That reminds me of another thing I hate: Those damned magnetic gates at
the doors. They're always setting off false alarms, usually because the
counter demagnetizer doesn't work well enough.
Like car alarms, they're wrong far more often than they're right.
DevilsPGD
<fred-...@shaw.ca> did ramble:
>> I used to get hassled at A&B sound downtown all the time, but they don't
>> appear to care anymore. Perhaps it depends on their own security
>> system.
>
>That reminds me of another thing I hate: Those damned magnetic gates at
>the doors. They're always setting off false alarms, usually because the
>counter demagnetizer doesn't work well enough.
When it starts to beep, I keep going, I don't stop.
If some droid gets there before I'm off the premises, then I'll show 'em
my receipt. I don't steal, so whatever.
--
Americans couldn't be any more self-absorbed if they were made from equal
parts water and papertowel.
-- Dennis Miller
solutio...@gmail.com
> "ender<remove> @telus.net>" <"ender<remove> wrote in message
> >
> > Are you guys Americans?
>
> Why b/c we feel this poor guy should be compensated and the store should be
> punished for an obvious and flagrant violation of his and his children's
> rights?!?!
>
> Are you a spineless Canadian who backs down at the first sign of Im Canadian and i have a spine . go f..k yourself See! anyone can be a predjudist mouthpiece. hate a man for his actions not his nationality. your both wrong assholes.