Any Traffic Law Experts Here? Quetions About Righthand Turns at Intersections.
Steve K. Lee
Can someone who knows for certain, answer these questions? Amazingly,
this is not covered at all in the Alberta's Driver's Handbook
(http://www.trans.gov.ab.ca/Content/doctype45/production/frontcov.htm)
Oh, and one of my friends called up a police station to inquire about
these right turn situations and he was simply told to just refer to
the Driver's Handbook. Gotta love it.
I really think the questions below should be covered clearly and
unambiguously in the Driver's Handbook. Though it can be deemed that
the answers to questions 1 & 3 can be inferred through right of way
and lane turning laws, questions 2 & 4 are in a rather grey area.
For Questions 1 & 2, please assume that you have a green light and
there are no separate merging/turning lane (so, you're making one of
those right angle right turns at a light which is green). As well,
assume there are no pedestrians crossing the street at all.
1. (I don't think this one's too difficult) If you're making a right
turn at a controlled intersection onto a 2 lane road, and there's a
car in the opposite direction making a left turn (who will eventually
end up on the same direction as you), who has the right of way?
NOTE: When making a right turn onto another road, you're supposed to
enter onto the right most lane. As well, when you're making a left
turn, you're supposed to enter onto the left most lane, therefore,
since there are 2 lanes, can it be interpreted that the actual law
itself stipulates as such? I.e., both cars have the the equal right
to proceed onto their respective lanes?
2. (How about this one?) Exactly the same situation EXCEPT, there is
now only ONE lane onto which both the right turning car and the the
left turning car has to go on. Who has the right of way then?
For Questions 3 & 4, assume that only the traffic perpendicular to
yours is controlled, usually found at intersections in which the main
road's traffic lights are controlled by the pedestrians pressing the
button when they wish to cross the main road. This of course means
that the yours and the traffic opposite of you is uncontrolled. Also
assume that there are no oncoming traffic from the left of you,
there's no separate merging/turning lane and once again, there are no
pedestrians.
3. Exactly the same situation as 1., but now of course, yours and the
opposite traffic is not controlled. Who now has the right of way?
Even though the uncontrolled intersection law can be applied here,
there is no car that is to the right of another and there are NO car
turning left across the path of an approaching vehicle. Would the
answer still be the same though, since there are 2 lanes?
4. Exactly the same situations as 2., but now of course, yours and
the opposite traffic is not controlled. Only one lane to turn onto
for both of you. Now who has the right of way?
5. Does the controlled traffic always have right of way over the
uncontrolled traffic? Or, rather, can this question be answered
simply by applying the "right of way for the car on the right" law?
Consider this situation. If you're making a right turn from a
controlled traffic onto an uncontrolled traffic and you have the green
light, but there's also a car coming from the left of you, who has the
right of way? Sorry if this is a bit confusing, but the traffic
coming from the left of you and its opposite traffic is uncontrolled,
so the cars will cross the intersection when the driver deems it's
safe to do so. But at the sametime, you're making a right turn and
your traffic is controlled. Who has the right of way?
Thanks for your time and courtesy.
Kat
> Consider this situation. If you're making a right turn from a
> controlled traffic onto an uncontrolled traffic and you have the green
> light, but there's also a car coming from the left of you, who has the
> right of way?
> Sorry if this is a bit confusing, but the traffic coming from the
> left of you and its opposite traffic is uncontrolled, so the cars
> will cross the intersection when the driver deems it's safe to do so.
> But at the sametime, you're making a right turn and your traffic is
> controlled. Who has the right of way?
> Thanks for your time and courtesy.
In other words the person is making a left turn onto the roadway the
same direction you are turning...
The person making the right hand turn has the right of way as they are
not crossing a traffic lane.
The vehicle making a left turn across the traffic lane has to yield to
the cars from the lane they are crossing no matter if they are turning
or not.
If that is the case the person turning right has the right of way
- the vehicle that crosses that lane has to yield.
The person turning left - if he hits someone making that right turn
- he is responsible for making a left turn without undue care or
safety (?) and is in the wrong. He has to pay for repairs.
You also turn from lane into same lane.
Lane 1 turns to L1 - Lane2 turns into L2. Curb turns to curb lane.
One ways - turn into closest lane going correct direction.
Hope that helps some...
Kat...
Eat Dirt
Steve K. Lee <plz_ask@if_needed.com> wrote:
> A couple of my buddies and I were arguing about this the other night.
> Can someone who knows for certain, answer these questions? Amazingly,
> this is not covered at all in the Alberta's Driver's Handbook
> (http://www.trans.gov.ab.ca/Content/doctype45/production/frontcov.htm)
Actually this isn't complicated at all: the law makes it clear that the
risk and diligence is completely on the driver making a left turn. You
always take a chance whenever you make a left turn (crossing over a lane
that does not belong to you, on which that traffic will always have the
right of way). If you ever get into an accident while making a left
turn, you will always be held responsible. It's a no brainer, no
different then when you rear end someone. There is no excuse in either
case.
As for the answers:
1- You are correct, the answer to that is obvious. EXCEPT: if the driver
making the right turn turns onto the farthest lane and hits the driver
making the left turn, who happens to be turning left onto the closest
lane to him - then who's at fault? Well, both are, as far as I know, but
I would suspect the driver making the left turn is still at fault as he
can never catch a break. This is another question you should add to your
list, as now I'm curious about it too.
2- Obvious: left turning lane ALWAYS holds the responsibility of turning
only when deemed safe.
3- I cross such an intersection almost on a daily basis, the one at 17
Ave SW and 10 St. When you try to cross 17 Ave coming from either
direction on 10th, you don't have lights - but traffic on 17 Ave has
lights. The deal here is this (for anyone trying to cross or turn onto
17th): you must come to a complete stop - the red sign that says stop on
the corner just to the right of you dictates that. Then you are free to
proceed into whichever direction as long as it is safe to doing so,
regardless of what the lights on 17 Ave says. That doesn't answer your
question, but here it is: the guy making the left turn will always have
to remember that the resp. is on him to make it safely. I sometimes wish
to cut across 17 Ave (going straight through it) while there is some
driver already waiting to make a left turn. He has to wait for me to go
through, even if he was there 2 minutes before me. If we are both making
left turns, then we are both safe to go, as long as we don't cut the
radius of the turn way too wide as to hit one another.
4- I too come across such a turn often and once again, the same as above
applies: both vehicles can go as long as you make the turn properly,
without veering too far wide.
5- Yes, it does. Same intersection on 17 Ave and 10 St SW: some times I
make a left turn from 17 Ave onto 10 St. I see some poor bastard waiting
there for a long time in order to either turn left onto 17 Ave or cut
across it. Guess what: he has to wait for me to complete my left turn.
And I take my sweet time too, as the fault is mine should anything
happen. And it does happen: sometimes I'm waiting there for a long time
(yes, 17 Ave is very busy) and just as I'm about to go, a pedestrian
crosses 10 St and I have to wait for him. Remember, there are no
pedestrian lights if you they want to cross 10 St so they ALWAYS have
the right of way. And of course, sometimes the light turn red as I'm
waiting to turn left. That's when I begin to get scared, as my car is
well past the white line so that's when I need to be sure the traffic
already waiting on 10th will let me through.
Remember: you always take the risk whenever making a left turn or rear
ending someone. You never win in these cases.
--
Time for a new sig. Any suggestions?
Eat Dirt (to send email, remove spaces: eatdirt339 @ yahoo.com)
Rat Patrol
> 1. (I don't think this one's too difficult) If you're making a right
> turn at a controlled intersection onto a 2 lane road, and there's a
> car in the opposite direction making a left turn (who will eventually
> end up on the same direction as you), who has the right of way?
********************Reply***********************
The person making the right hand turn.
The person making the left hand turn has the person making the right hand
turn on HIS RIGHT,therefore he Yields *the right of way*
> NOTE: When making a right turn onto another road, you're supposed to enter
onto the right most lane. As well, when you're making a left
> turn, you're supposed to enter onto the left most lane, therefore,
> since there are 2 lanes, can it be interpreted that the actual law
> itself stipulates as such? I.e., both cars have the the equal right
> to proceed onto their respective lanes?
>
****************Reply**********************
In the big picture ,it Doesn't matter about the lanes.
The person making the right hand turn has the right of way
***********************************************
> 2. (How about this one?) Exactly the same situation EXCEPT, there is now
only ONE lane onto which both the right turning car and the the
>left turning car has to go on. Who has the right of way then?
>
*****************Reply***********************
See above: The person making the right hand turn has the right of way
************************************
> For Questions 3 & 4, assume that only the traffic perpendicular to
> yours is controlled, usually found at intersections in which the main
> road's traffic lights are controlled by the pedestrians pressing the
> button when they wish to cross the main road. This of course means
> that the yours and the traffic opposite of you is uncontrolled. Also
> assume that there are no oncoming traffic from the left of you,
> there's no separate merging/turning lane and once again, there are no
pedestrians.
>
> 3. Exactly the same situation as 1., but now of course, yours and the
> opposite traffic is not controlled. Who now has the right of way?
>
******************The person on the right************
Controlled or not controlled, The person making the right hand turn has the
right of way.
**********************************************
Even though the uncontrolled intersection law can be applied here,
> there is no car that is to the right of another and there are NO car
> turning left across the path of an approaching vehicle. Would the
> answer still be the same though, since there are 2 lanes?
>
There is always a person on the right of car at a turn.
> 4. Exactly the same situations as 2., but now of course, yours and
> the opposite traffic is not controlled. Only one lane to turn onto
> for both of you. Now who has the right of way?
>
*****************Reply******************
The person making the right hand turn
*********************************
> 5. Does the controlled traffic always have right of way over the
> uncontrolled traffic?
*****************Reply***********
The person on the right always has the right of way..
Or, rather, can this question be answered simply by applying the "right of
way for the car on the right" law?
That's it !
> Consider this situation. If you're making a right turn from a
> controlled traffic onto an uncontrolled traffic and you have the green
> light, but there's also a car coming from the left of you, who has the
> right of way? Sorry if this is a bit confusing, but the traffic
> coming from the left of you and its opposite traffic is uncontrolled,
> so the cars will cross the intersection when the driver deems it's
> safe to do so. But at the sametime, you're making a right turn and
> your traffic is controlled. Who has the right of way?
>
*****************Reply*****************
There is a problem with some of the wording or lack of words.
with controlled or un-controlled.
Controlled is with a stop sign,Yield sign, or traffic light.
Un-controlled is NO traffic controlling device.
(This would be very strange in this world)
There would have to be something except maybe on a rural road.
alberta lady
wrote:
>A couple of my buddies and I were arguing about this the other night.
>Can someone who knows for certain, answer these questions? Amazingly,
>this is not covered at all in the Alberta's Driver's Handbook
>(http://www.trans.gov.ab.ca/Content/doctype45/production/frontcov.htm)
>Oh, and one of my friends called up a police station to inquire about
>these right turn situations and he was simply told to just refer to
>the Driver's Handbook. Gotta love it.
>
>I really think the questions below should be covered clearly and
>unambiguously in the Driver's Handbook. Though it can be deemed that
>the answers to questions 1 & 3 can be inferred through right of way
>and lane turning laws, questions 2 & 4 are in a rather grey area.
Call Alberta Transportation. You could end up with some scary answers
in a newsgroup.
[My two bits: The person making the right turn has the right of way at
controlled intersections. The old rule "vehicle on the left yields to
the vehicle on the right" applies to uncontrolled intersections.]
Let the games begin.
Rat Patrol
"alberta lady" <albert...@canada.com> wrote in message
news:3e5ba357...@news.nucleus.com...
> On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:36:28 GMT, Steve K. Lee <plz_ask@if_needed.com>
> wrote:
>
> >A couple of my buddies and I were arguing about this the other night.
> >Can someone who knows for certain, answer these questions? Amazingly,
> >this is not covered at all in the Alberta's Driver's Handbook
> >(http://www.trans.gov.ab.ca/Content/doctype45/production/frontcov.htm)
> >Oh, and one of my friends called up a police station to inquire about
> >these right turn situations and he was simply told to just refer to
> >the Driver's Handbook. Gotta love it.
> >
> >I really think the questions below should be covered clearly and
> >unambiguously in the Driver's Handbook. Though it can be deemed that
> >the answers to questions 1 & 3 can be inferred through right of way
> >and lane turning laws, questions 2 & 4 are in a rather grey area.
>
> Call Alberta Transportation. You could end up with some scary answers
> in a newsgroup.
>
Some of us with 35+ plus years of being a professional driver have a lot
more on the ball than someone on a phone that would probably have to go
*Look it up*
JD
Steve K. Lee
wrote:
>Steve K. Lee wrote:
>
>> Consider this situation. If you're making a right turn from a
>> controlled traffic onto an uncontrolled traffic and you have the green
>> light, but there's also a car coming from the left of you, who has the
>> right of way?
>
>> Sorry if this is a bit confusing, but the traffic coming from the
>> left of you and its opposite traffic is uncontrolled, so the cars
>> will cross the intersection when the driver deems it's safe to do so.
>> But at the sametime, you're making a right turn and your traffic is
>> controlled. Who has the right of way?
>> Thanks for your time and courtesy.
>
>In other words the person is making a left turn onto the roadway the
>same direction you are turning...
That's correct.
>The person making the right hand turn has the right of way as they are
>not crossing a traffic lane.
>
>The vehicle making a left turn across the traffic lane has to yield to
>the cars from the lane they are crossing no matter if they are turning
>or not.
Yeah, that's what I thought too. A couple of my buddies owe me some
beer :-)
>If that is the case the person turning right has the right of way
>- the vehicle that crosses that lane has to yield.
>
>The person turning left - if he hits someone making that right turn
>- he is responsible for making a left turn without undue care or
>safety (?) and is in the wrong. He has to pay for repairs.
>
>You also turn from lane into same lane.
>Lane 1 turns to L1 - Lane2 turns into L2. Curb turns to curb lane.
>One ways - turn into closest lane going correct direction.
>
>Hope that helps some...
Thanks.
Steve K. Lee
<use_emai...@justbelow.com> wrote:
>In article <nk5m5v0r2qi10klql...@4ax.com>,
> Steve K. Lee <plz_ask@if_needed.com> wrote:
>
>> A couple of my buddies and I were arguing about this the other night.
>> Can someone who knows for certain, answer these questions? Amazingly,
>> this is not covered at all in the Alberta's Driver's Handbook
>> (http://www.trans.gov.ab.ca/Content/doctype45/production/frontcov.htm)
>
>Actually this isn't complicated at all: the law makes it clear that the
>risk and diligence is completely on the driver making a left turn. You
>always take a chance whenever you make a left turn (crossing over a lane
>that does not belong to you, on which that traffic will always have the
>right of way). If you ever get into an accident while making a left
>turn, you will always be held responsible. It's a no brainer, no
>different then when you rear end someone. There is no excuse in either
>case.
[snip]
>Remember: you always take the risk whenever making a left turn or rear
>ending someone. You never win in these cases.
ED, thanks for your time in anwering these questions for me. I'll get
yours and other replies printed to show them to my buddies. They owe
me some beer now.
Steve K. Lee
<caughtth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 1. (I don't think this one's too difficult) If you're making a right
>> turn at a controlled intersection onto a 2 lane road, and there's a
>> car in the opposite direction making a left turn (who will eventually
>> end up on the same direction as you), who has the right of way?
>
>********************Reply***********************
>
>The person making the right hand turn.
>The person making the left hand turn has the person making the right hand
>turn on HIS RIGHT,therefore he Yields *the right of way*
Ahhh, right. I never quite saw it that way. Makes sense though.
[snip]
>Or, rather, can this question be answered simply by applying the "right of
>way for the car on the right" law?
>
>That's it !
That's what I was trying to convince my buddies of. I'm gonna get me
some beer this weekend, at their expense :-)
>> Consider this situation. If you're making a right turn from a
>> controlled traffic onto an uncontrolled traffic and you have the green
>> light, but there's also a car coming from the left of you, who has the
>> right of way? Sorry if this is a bit confusing, but the traffic
>> coming from the left of you and its opposite traffic is uncontrolled,
>> so the cars will cross the intersection when the driver deems it's
>> safe to do so. But at the sametime, you're making a right turn and
>> your traffic is controlled. Who has the right of way?
>>
>*****************Reply*****************
>
>There is a problem with some of the wording or lack of words.
Yeah, sorry. I've never been accused of being articulate.
>with controlled or un-controlled.
>
>Controlled is with a stop sign,Yield sign, or traffic light.
>
>Un-controlled is NO traffic controlling device.
>(This would be very strange in this world)
But, there are intersections like that. Anyway, it doens't matter. I
got my answers, thanks to you and others in here. I got some beer
coming to me next time I see those buddies of mine :-)
Tom2Tec
Steve K. Lee <plz_ask@if_needed.com> wrote in message
news:nk5m5v0r2qi10klql...@4ax.com...
| A couple of my buddies and I were arguing about this the other night.
| Can someone who knows for certain, answer these questions? Amazingly,
| this is not covered at all in the Alberta's Driver's Handbook
| (http://www.trans.gov.ab.ca/Content/doctype45/production/frontcov.htm)
| Oh, and one of my friends called up a police station to inquire about
| these right turn situations and he was simply told to just refer to
| the Driver's Handbook. Gotta love it.
|
| I really think the questions below should be covered clearly and
| unambiguously in the Driver's Handbook. Though it can be deemed that
| the answers to questions 1 & 3 can be inferred through right of way
| and lane turning laws, questions 2 & 4 are in a rather grey area.
|
| For Questions 1 & 2, please assume that you have a green light and
| there are no separate merging/turning lane (so, you're making one of
| those right angle right turns at a light which is green). As well,
| assume there are no pedestrians crossing the street at all.
|
| 1. (I don't think this one's too difficult) If you're making a right
| turn at a controlled intersection onto a 2 lane road, and there's a
| car in the opposite direction making a left turn (who will eventually
| end up on the same direction as you), who has the right of way?
anyone turning left who's involved in an accident will usually be charged with failing to yield or
making an unsafe turn ...
| NOTE: When making a right turn onto another road, you're supposed to
| enter onto the right most lane. As well, when you're making a left
| turn, you're supposed to enter onto the left most lane, therefore,
| since there are 2 lanes, can it be interpreted that the actual law
| itself stipulates as such? I.e., both cars have the the equal right
| to proceed onto their respective lanes?
yes, if either driver makes an unsafe lane change , they would be charged
|
| 2. (How about this one?) Exactly the same situation EXCEPT, there is
| now only ONE lane onto which both the right turning car and the the
| left turning car has to go on. Who has the right of way then?
this often happens when turning unto a non thourghfare, usually the driver making the left hand turn
is charged ... on this note be aware that a lane of traffic is defined, in Alberta, as the width of
a vehicle ?? therefore, most roads are four lanes not two, ie. parked cars are in the curb lane ...
|
| For Questions 3 & 4, assume that only the traffic perpendicular to
| yours is controlled, usually found at intersections in which the main
| road's traffic lights are controlled by the pedestrians pressing the
| button when they wish to cross the main road. This of course means
| that the yours and the traffic opposite of you is uncontrolled. Also
| assume that there are no oncoming traffic from the left of you,
| there's no separate merging/turning lane and once again, there are no
| pedestrians.
again, usually the driver making the left turn would be charged, so the driver making the right turn
has the right of way
|
| 3. Exactly the same situation as 1., but now of course, yours and the
| opposite traffic is not controlled. Who now has the right of way?
| Even though the uncontrolled intersection law can be applied here,
| there is no car that is to the right of another and there are NO car
| turning left across the path of an approaching vehicle. Would the
| answer still be the same though, since there are 2 lanes?
|
| 4. Exactly the same situations as 2., but now of course, yours and
| the opposite traffic is not controlled. Only one lane to turn onto
| for both of you. Now who has the right of way?
same as above, usually the driver making the left turn would be charged, so the driver making the
right turn has the right of way
now ... normally, if the driver turning left is already in the intersection, he would have time to
turn safely as the other driver would need to slow dow to turn, if it can be shown that the driver
turning right was speeding excessively, he may be charged with speeding and failing to yield, but
this is rare ...
|
| 5. Does the controlled traffic always have right of way over the
| uncontrolled traffic?
Normally, controlled intersections are controlled in all directions, bear in mind that a crosswalk
or sidewalk is considered a stop sign, especially if a pedestrian is involved, as well, generally
drivers are to yield before proceeding in any uncontrolled situation, therefore, they would be
charged before a driver of a vehicle who was conforming to traffic controls
Or, rather, can this question be answered
| simply by applying the "right of way for the car on the right" law?
only at uncontrolled crossings
|
| Consider this situation. If you're making a right turn from a
| controlled traffic onto an uncontrolled traffic and you have the green
| light, but there's also a car coming from the left of you, who has the
| right of way? Sorry if this is a bit confusing, but the traffic
| coming from the left of you and its opposite traffic is uncontrolled,
| so the cars will cross the intersection when the driver deems it's
| safe to do so. But at the sametime, you're making a right turn and
| your traffic is controlled. Who has the right of way?
imho, you do, although IANAL
bear in mind that the police are not infallible and are sometimes capricious and tempermental ...
occasionally the wrong person is charged or the wrong charge applied ... if no charges are laided,
driver one is assumed most culpable ... if charged, always consult a lawyer and always fight the
ticket ...
2tec ~ exhacker
IANAL ~ I Am Not A Lwayer
| Thanks for your time and courtesy.
np, gl
.com
bwahahahahahaha
hey bitch better learn how to drive
if you had to ask for answers to these situations
you need to take a drivers licence test
SCARRY
hurc ast
johnny rottin
wrote:
>
>Yeah, that's what I thought too. A couple of my buddies owe me some
>beer :-)
yeah steve..........thats all you need is a couple of beer......how
bout some basic driving lessons. Hopefully your still learning and
without a license. Driving a vehicle is a little more involved than
driving a rik shaw
Steve K. Lee
wrote:
In the meantime, you can get some grammar lessons.
Since you're too dense to figure out as to why my buddies owe me some
beer, how about if you put me in your KILLFILE snice I just put you in
mine.
Man, had a rough childhood, eh? Or should I say, you're still being
molested by your daddy? Don't take it out on the world though. You
can always report him to the police. tsk, tsk...
Howie
" Rat Patrol" <caughtth...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> > 1. (I don't think this one's too difficult) If you're making a right
> > turn at a controlled intersection onto a 2 lane road, and there's a
> > car in the opposite direction making a left turn (who will eventually
> > end up on the same direction as you), who has the right of way?
>
> ********************Reply***********************
>
> The person making the right hand turn.
> The person making the left hand turn has the person making the right hand
> turn on HIS RIGHT,therefore he Yields *the right of way*
>
You're correct that the person making the right hand turn has the right of
way, but your explanation does not make any sense, Rat. Neither vehicle is
to the right of the other, from the driver's perspective. They are
approaching the same intersection from opposite directions.
Rat Patrol
"Howie" <no.e...@please.com> wrote in message
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When the one person is turning left, the person that is turning right
becomes the person "ON The RIGHT" therefore, the person turning left Yields
to that person on the right. It's more of a procedural thing.
This is something most people know already,if they know the rules of the
road.
L
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|
R
JD
Howie
right hand side of the left-turning vehicle, unless the left-turning vehicle
has already cut him off.
Rat Patrol
I'm sorry, you don't understand!
JD
Steve K. Lee
>On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:36:28 GMT, Steve K. Lee <plz_ask@if_needed.com> wrote:
>
>>For Questions 1 & 2, please assume that you have a green light and
[snip]
>You will never find an intersection that is three / four way, with one way being
>controlled WITH a green light and the other way not controlled. You may find
>stop signs, but certainly not lights. A three or four way uncontrolled
>intersection in this country is very rare (unless we are talking parking lots).
>A fully uncontrolled intersection is the same as if there were stop signs.
You really should read some of the replies I received.
>Based on your questions along with the assumptions, you may not be grasping all
>of the concepts (mainly based on the last question).
One person even replied with an exact avenue and street. Just a few
blocks from my place exists such an intersection.
Based on your comments, along with your assumptions, you may not be
grasping all of the concepts (mainly based on the last comment)
Rat Patrol
"Alfa" <ra...@cars.r.us> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 05:36:17 GMT, Steve K. Lee <plz_ask@if_needed.com>
>
> As someone who designed roadways back in the 70's and 80's, something like
this
> would never have passed through the Department of Highways (B.C.), even
back
> then.
>
> It basically means the green light has the right of way, and perpendicular
> non-controlled traffic would assume, as there were no controls, they also
had
> the right of way. We used to see tons of accidents at 4 way non-controlled
> intersections as drivers would assume when approaching an intersection
without a
> control they had right of way. We reviewed a lot of existing intersections
> during the time I did Civil Engineering and recommended either stop or
yield
> signs where there were none. In all cases we reviewed, every intersection
ended
> up controlled in some fashion (these were mostly cities and towns, we
didn't
> review rural unless it was high accident).
>
> My assumptions were merely trying to better understand your questions. As
the
> above example (with one way having a controlled 3-way light or single
green, and
> the perpendicular traffic having no controls), seems to me against all
design
> principles, I'm very surprised it exists in 2003 (and that Alberta
> Transportation would even allow it).
>
> I can't recall the exact details at the moment, but there was a case here
in
> Alberta where some kids removed a stop sign at a rural intersection
> ("converting" it to uncontrolled), and it resulted in at least one death.
That's
> why we would have never been allowed to design an intersection like you
> mentioned. It's also why I emphatically stated it wouldn't exist, as it
really
> shouldn't.
>
> If the light is 3-way (green, amber, red), how would the uncontrolled
traffic
> know when they had to yield the right of way? If the light is single green
> (which in itself would be odd), then that traffic always has the right of
way.
> Without the uncontrolled traffic having any controls, it means they never
have
> the right of way (green light takes precedence). Most drivers would have
> difficulty with this, and thus why we wouldn't be even allowed to design
an
> intersection controlled in such a manner.
>
> I also remember several cases in Vancouver where controlled intersections
went
> green in all directions. They resulted in several accidents and in all
cases
> were no fault accidents (none of the drivers were found liable).
>
> As I still know a few people working in Civil out in B.C., I would really
like
> to take a couple pictures of the intersection and have them comment on
them. I
> find it very interesting it exists. Even us old dogs learn something new
each
> day.
>
> Regards.
What he forgot to mention about this traffic light on 17 ave at the 11st
intersection (see KFC) is that there is a stop sign for 11st.
That makes that a controlled intersection.
It is a stupid light though.
It used to be a pedestrian flashing light but they removed that and put in a
Red,Yellow,Green light for east & west travel.The reason apparently was
because very few people respected the light and people crossing the street
were almost hit.
The stop sign you are referring to was near Lethbridge and an AMA rep was
killed investigating the spot because someone a few days earlier was killed
there as well.
JD
Jack B. Nymble
went
> green in all directions. They resulted in several accidents and in all
cases
> were no fault accidents (none of the drivers were found liable).
Speaking of which, I've always wondered what the flashing green lights in
Vancouver intersections meant. I've asked a number of residents there and
the answers just didn't make any sense. Something about the approaching
cross traffic being able to make the light turn red??
Can you tell me what they mean?
Rat Patrol
"Jack B. Nymble" <don'thaveone> wrote in message
news:v5so2nf...@corp.supernews.com...
> It means that traffic can continue thru the green light until a vehicle on
the adjacent road drives over the signal loop in the pavement tripping the
control to change the light to red,thus allowing the vehicle waiting to move
legally.
JD
GlennMor
wrote:
It means there is a crosswalk button that pedestrians can push which
will quickly cycle the light to red.