Flash Mobbing...New Urban Art Form
BillyBob
New York in May and is now sweeping the US and Europe....By flash mobbing we
will be supporting an american art initiative and showing solidarity with
our friends to the south....We could have a "flash mob" show up at city hall
chambers...split into two groups...One group would pat their bellies and the
other group would pat their heads..The groups would do this for 30 seconds
and then suddenly disperse....To learn more read the articles on this new
exciting urban art.
www.azcentral.com/business/articles/0801oddpranks-ON.html
www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s913314.htm
Pham Nuwen
> Canada must get into the new Urban Art of "Flash Mobbing" that
> started in New York in May and is now sweeping the US and
> Europe....By flash mobbing we will be supporting an american art
> initiative and showing solidarity with our friends to the south....
If it's about *ART* I'm all for it.
> We could have a "flash mob" show up at city hall chambers...split
> into two groups...One group would pat their bellies and the other
> group would pat their heads..The groups would do this for 30 seconds
> and then suddenly disperse...
That sounds more like a political statement, that an artistic one. I'd
suggest something a little more "fun", and much less political.
How about we get a large group of people to show up at the say The
Children's Hospital all at once, each with a brand new teddy bear, or a
$20 donation. It would be great for the kids, and go for a good cause.
Call it something like the "Teddy Bear Mob"...
What do people think? Is anyone up for that idea?
> www.azcentral.com/business/articles/0801oddpranks-ON.html
"So far, flash mobs have claimed to be apolitical, but that could soon
change. What started as a prank could blossom into a social revolution,"
IOW Socialist Idiocy could subvert and ruin another interesting Fad/Art
form.
> www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s913314.htm
"In Detroit, a group of gays and lesbians organise the 'Detroit
Guerrilla Queer Bar', which targets a local straight restaurant or bar
for 'swarming' on a designated night. And in Boston, Reggie Cummings, a
black software developer, coordinates 'friendly takeovers' by crowds of
black yuppies of downtown bars with a traditionally white clientele."
As I was saying. All I see this doing is provoking a fight. If it's
about ART, that's cool, as soon as it becomes a political statement,
then a MOB, no matter how well intentioned, becomes a dangerous thing.
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Artful Dodger
says...
>
>BillyBob wrote:
>> Canada must get into the new Urban Art of "Flash Mobbing" that
>> started in New York in May and is now sweeping the US and
>> Europe....By flash mobbing we will be supporting an american art
>> initiative and showing solidarity with our friends to the south....
>
>If it's about *ART* I'm all for it.
>
If its all about art I can think of a zillion ways I'd rather express myself
artistically, but to each their own, and that goes for packs of zombies too!
BillyBob
> vancouver already has bear spray mobbing.
Never heard of bear spray mobbing..please describe.
> Wheres the thrill in patting my belly with a bunch
> of other people?
>
That was perhaps a poor example...maybe something like everyone showing up
at a fine hotel or office building and taking the elevator to the top and
then back down and out. An hour or so before going there everyone could eat
a can of beans to create a gasseous elevator infusion situation...Imagine
being a tourist in one of these elevators in the CN tower...It would create
a lasting impression to be sure....Isn't that what "art" is supposed to
do?...Educate, revitalize, gain new perspective of the wonderful world we
all share....Let the "flash mobbing" begin.
Pham Nuwen
> "Celebration of Bear Spray" <sp5...@spassmr.org> wrote in message
>
>>vancouver already has bear spray mobbing.
>
> Never heard of bear spray mobbing..please describe.
He is refering to the APEC protests.
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Flash Cadillac
Wil...@hotmail.com says...
Well obviously it may create a lasting impression on an unaware observer, but
how does it educate, revitalize or gain new perspective? It sounds a lot like
an episode of Candid Camera when you put it that way. The amusement of fooling
the bewildered onlookers would be entertaining, for sure, but I question not
just the validity of it being labelled 'art' but furthermore the need of the
participants to place that label on it, as if its necessary to put it on some
sort of cultural pedestal in order enthuse others to participate. Kind of
reminds me of the Olympics boosterism we're getting so much of here in
Vancouver. When we start wondering if its such a good idea and questioning the
need for the event, we're told our confidence is lacking and that we need it in
order to 'believe' in ourselves.
Celebration of Bear Spray
says...
>
>BillyBob wrote:
>> "Celebration of Bear Spray" <sp5...@spassmr.org> wrote in message
>>
>>>vancouver already has bear spray mobbing.
>>
>> Never heard of bear spray mobbing..please describe.
>
>He is refering to the APEC protests.
>
>
no I am not, and this is the problem with crossposters... if you had any idea
of what has been happening in Vancouver in the past week or read the
van.general newsgroup you would know what I am referring to. By the way the
group you are looking for is tor.general not alt.toronto. Here's your flash
mob, of trolling spammers... and its always the usual suspects, too.
nightwriter
creation on earth, every color, everything that doesn't violate the sanctity
of life and the right to sovereignty over the self, every other thing on
this planet is art. the second you separate what is art and what isn't is
the second you begin the process of classifying that which is relative, and
thereby perpetuating your own vision of the world, forcing it onto the
world.
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Bologna
I should copyright infringe the next time and paste the whole article?
-mmm
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nightwriter
"Artful Dodger" <spas...@spa55mr.org> wrote in message
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getting netizens off their ass and out into the world is far from creating
'zombies'. it's fun. we live in such an affluent society that we have more
than enough leisure than a lot of people know what to do with, sadly. so
people go out and congregate. how bad of them! those losers! don't they
have anything better to do? like go watch a tom cruise movie or something
constructive!!!
yeah, everyone who's never done anything that wasn't uber-constructive can
cast the first stone. otherwise, please close the piehole. thanks
Art for Arts Sake
spide...@hotmail.com says...
>
>defining art: everything is art. period. every act by man, every
>creation on earth, every color, everything that doesn't violate the sanctity
>of life and the right to sovereignty over the self, every other thing on
>this planet is art. the second you separate what is art and what isn't is
>the second you begin the process of classifying that which is relative, and
>thereby perpetuating your own vision of the world, forcing it onto the
>world.
>
>
hallejula! praise jesus in urine!
Flash Cadillac
spide...@hotmail.com says...
>
>
>
>yeah, everyone who's never done anything that wasn't uber-constructive can
>cast the first stone. otherwise, please close the piehole. thanks
>
>
I don't agree with that sentiment. You're making some sort of religious
allusion to 'he who has not sinned cast the first stone' or whatever. Not
doing something constructive isn't a sin, unless you're one of the superstition
ninnies who believe 'idle hands are the devils playground'. And if you do, how
can you be sure these flash mobs aren't set up by SATAN himself?
Artful Dodger
spide...@hotmail.com says...
>
>creation on earth, every color, everything that doesn't violate the sanctity
>of life and the right to sovereignty over the self, every other thing on
>this planet is art. the second you separate what is art and what isn't is
>the second you begin the process of classifying that which is relative, and
>thereby perpetuating your own vision of the world, forcing it onto the
>world.
>
Well I agree that I should not question whether it is art or not, because that
is actually irrelevent and an elitist concept. I really wanted to question why
people needed to call it art. However I would contest that my discrimination
against flash mobbing is any less 'artful' than the art itself, and in many
ways I think it's more artful because I like to think I'm very good at
"painting pictures with words". If a painting of jesus is art, and a painting
mocking that art by covering jesus in urine is art then my statements against
art are as valid or 'artful' as anything else. And to claim that there's
anything wrong with trying to influence the world is just plain crazy, its
exactly what artists are trying to do.
All ideas are equal to start, the hope is that the good ones get replicated and
the bad ones don't so they eventually fade away and are forgotten.
Unfortunately that is not always the case. Jesus in urine failed to supplant
Jesus not in urine as the mainstream representation of Jesus, and that's
probably too bad.
nightwriter
"Artful Dodger" <spa...@spassmr.org> wrote in message
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> In article <BHgXa.68288$hOa....@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,
> spide...@hotmail.com says...
> >
> >defining art: everything is art. period. every act by man, every
> >creation on earth, every color, everything that doesn't violate the
sanctity
> >of life and the right to sovereignty over the self, every other thing on
> >this planet is art. the second you separate what is art and what isn't
is
> >the second you begin the process of classifying that which is relative,
and
> >thereby perpetuating your own vision of the world, forcing it onto the
> >world.
> >
>
> Well I agree that I should not question whether it is art or not, because
that
> is actually irrelevent and an elitist concept. I really wanted to
question why
> people needed to call it art. However I would contest that my
discrimination
> against flash mobbing is any less 'artful' than the art itself, and in
many
> ways I think it's more artful because I like to think I'm very good at
> "painting pictures with words".
i'm a writer too, but alas, i may have put you on the defensive when that
was not my intent, i can assure you. I did not intend to classify your
questioning as less art or no art. i simply wanted to make a statement in
regards to previous posters discussions on art. it just so happened that
your post came at the end of that thread, when i clicked 'reply group'.
please take no offense, although, upon re-reading my post, i don't quite see
why you're defensive in the first place.
>If a painting of jesus is art, and a painting
> mocking that art by covering jesus in urine is art then my statements
against
> art are as valid or 'artful' as anything else. And to claim that there's
> anything wrong with trying to influence the world is just plain crazy, its
> exactly what artists are trying to do.
my original statement intentionally omitted mention of 'artists'.
'artists', as our culture might call painters, writers, thinkers, etc. are
no more or less artists than bill gates is an artist or george bush is an
artist, when thinking on a grand scale (ie. as though through the looking
glass of time, back a million years at our age and what defined it). to
create artists as separate entities from others who also create, emote,
discuss, encourage, discourage, fight, express, etc, but who don't paint,
write, draw, sing, etc. is also elitist and pointless. one simply decides
that one enjoys painting as a form of expression, moreso than multi-level
marketing. of course, we artists are generally the first to point out what
good we are doing for society, and how under-appreciated we are, our genius
so far unrecognized, etc. etc. Most of my friends are 'artists', and i know
the story all too well. unfortunately, this is a form of martyrdom, a
christ-like complex, the cross-bearer, forever 'doing it for you guys'.
it's not to say they aren't genius' in their own way, like so many humans
are, but sometimes they forget the big picture. i believe the id/sex drive
has something to do with it, but i'm not sure, i've been monogamous for 8
years (and perhaps the source of my success, freeing one desire to pursue
another).
>
> All ideas are equal to start, the hope is that the good ones get
replicated and
> the bad ones don't so they eventually fade away and are forgotten.
for shame. first of all, good and bad are relative. second, there are many
bad ideas that are simply before their time. some are rediscovered and
brought back to life, bringing much to the world. although i may be
nit-picking here, as i'm not sure what you mean by 'bad ideas' and
'forgotten', i still can't think of an idea whose fitting end would be the
complete destruction from all memory, the world over.
> Unfortunately that is not always the case. Jesus in urine failed to
supplant
> Jesus not in urine as the mainstream representation of Jesus, and that's
> probably too bad.
>
would we be able to see the urine, or would it just make him yellow? what
if the urinator drank a lot of water and jesus was 'whiter' because of it?
what if the urinator drank a lot of coffee? ohhhh, scratch and snif jesus!
((the inane ramblings of a caffeinated writer, high on a post-shopping
kick... forgive me)
nightwriter
"Flash Cadillac" <sp5...@spsssamr.org> wrote in message
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i was referring to the lashing out at those people who take the
'holier-than-thou' approach to what others do with their time (see previous
post/s). as for not doing something constructive, do the words "playstation
2" mean anything to you? well, they sure as hell do to me!! LOL. Tony Hawk
ProSkater 4. who's with me? -- online, look up DEVOLUTION, and i'll teach
you the meaning of the word 'going down' (that's a shout out to my homies
looking for the alt.toronto.submission group). ;)
Dr. Fred Mbogo
news:8afXa.603249$3C2.15...@news3.calgary.shaw.ca:
> mobbing we will be supporting an american art initiative and showing
> solidarity with our friends to the south....
Say what? Why does this have to be an American invention? If anything,
I think it was invented by Larry Niven decades ago. While he may be
American, this activity doesn't have American identity associated with
it. It's not a political thing.
Dr. Fred Mbogo
Pham, when are you going to stop nym-shifting? This is like the
fourth of fifth e-mail address change in the last month or so.
Black Jacque Shellacque
Dr. Fred Mbogo wrote:
I'm kind of curious...what lead to dropping the "Freedom" nym and the
return to Pham?
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JohnL
...what if some thugs got a lot of people to appear in a park somewhere and robbed
them all at gun point, or forced them to do things they didn't want to do, this
scenario isn't impossible.
Flash Cadillac
spide...@hotmail.com says...
>
>
>> All ideas are equal to start, the hope is that the good ones get
>replicated and
>> the bad ones don't so they eventually fade away and are forgotten.
>
>for shame. first of all, good and bad are relative.
my mistake, I meant better and worse.
>second, there are many
>bad ideas that are simply before their time. some are rediscovered and
>brought back to life, bringing much to the world.
I'm not sure what you mean by that. Trends are cyclical, so stove top hats may
be popular again some day, but antiquated notions rooted in past ignorance
don't help us at all when they are revived by opportunists seeking to exploit
so-called hidden knowledge of the past.
>although i may be
>nit-picking here, as i'm not sure what you mean by 'bad ideas' and
>'forgotten', i still can't think of an idea whose fitting end would be the
>complete destruction from all memory, the world over.
Well, psychics, astrology, palmistry, chiropracting, feng shui, pyramid
investment schemes, etc, etc... these are all bad ideas. We'd all be better
off if we forgot that we were ever gulliable enough to fall for them.
nightwriter
"Flash Cadillac" <spa3...@spkl5amr.org> wrote in message
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> In article <HQhXa.69115$hOa....@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,
> spide...@hotmail.com says...
> >
> >
> >> All ideas are equal to start, the hope is that the good ones get
> >replicated and
> >> the bad ones don't so they eventually fade away and are forgotten.
> >
> >for shame. first of all, good and bad are relative.
>
> my mistake, I meant better and worse.
>
>
> >second, there are many
> >bad ideas that are simply before their time. some are rediscovered and
> >brought back to life, bringing much to the world.
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by that. Trends are cyclical, so stove top
hats may
> be popular again some day, but antiquated notions rooted in past ignorance
> don't help us at all when they are revived by opportunists seeking to
exploit
> so-called hidden knowledge of the past.
opportunists are artists in the purist sense. imagine life as a carnival.
This guys are the ring leaders, indeed. a real joy to watch! ;)
>
> >although i may be
> >nit-picking here, as i'm not sure what you mean by 'bad ideas' and
> >'forgotten', i still can't think of an idea whose fitting end would be
the
> >complete destruction from all memory, the world over.
>
> Well, psychics, astrology, palmistry, chiropracting, feng shui, pyramid
> investment schemes, etc, etc... these are all bad ideas. We'd all be
better
> off if we forgot that we were ever gulliable enough to fall for them.
>
again, art at its best, in my opinion. Maybe we view the world differently.
:)
>
Pham Nuwen
When Spammers stop fucking with me. Boo Fucking Hoo. You don't like it,
filter on my name not my email address. =8)
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Pham Nuwen
>
> Dr. Fred Mbogo wrote:
>
>>> Pham Nuwen <private...@libertydice.org> wrote in
>> Pham, when are you going to stop nym-shifting? This is like the
>> fourth of fifth e-mail address change in the last month or so.
>>
> I'm kind of curious...what lead to dropping the "Freedom" nym and the
> return to Pham?
It's wierd, I found that people were much more combative, and didn't
respond at all the same way. I think psychologicaly people are more at
ease talking to a person (even if he is fictional)"Pham Nuwen" than the
abstract idea "Freedom"
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Black Jacque Shellacque
Pham Nuwen wrote:
Heh, interesting. (You should try as a cartoon character, ergo 'Black
Jacque Shellacque' :-)
gap...@vcn.bc.ca
"> That was perhaps a poor example...maybe something like everyone showing up
"> at a fine hotel or office building and taking the elevator to the top and
"> then back down and out. An hour or so before going there everyone could ea
"> being a tourist in one of these elevators in the CN tower...It would creat
"> do?...Educate, revitalize, gain new perspective of the wonderful world we
"> all share....Let the "flash mobbing" begin.
I think a better one would be to get a bunch of 400 pound plus people together
to swarm an all-you-can-eat buffet somewhere at the same time!
(find one with a sign that says, "no shirt, no shoes, no service" and have all
these 400 pounders walk in wearing ONLY shirt & shoes (ie. NO PANTS!!) *LOL*)
Regrettably I couldn't participate in this one, in any capacity but onlooker,
but it'd be a laugh!
Your friend,
<+]::-{(} ("Cyberpope," the Bishop of ROM!)
Ask me how to connect with me in any of 5 Instant Messengers
(Please quote with "gapope wrote...")
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In non-essentials, liberty;
in all things, charity. -- Baxter quoting Augustine
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AS> hallejula! praise jesus in urine!
I thought the "art" in question was actually called "Pope in Piss"?
Maplethwapp
>
>spa...@spassmr.org (Art for Arts Sake) wrote:
>AS> hallejula! praise jesus in urine!
>
>I thought the "art" in question was actually called "Pope in Piss"?
>
Well thats because your ignorance is consistent and you aren't aware of much of
anything in the art world besides that creepy monalisa painting. Does the name
Maplethorpe ring a bell?
Harry Martini
spide...@hotmail.com says...
>>imagine life as a carnival.
>>This guys are the ring leaders, indeed. a real joy to watch! ;)
>> Well, psychics, astrology, palmistry, chiropracting, feng shui, pyramid
>> investment schemes, etc, etc... these are all bad ideas. We'd all be
>better
>> off if we forgot that we were ever gulliable enough to fall for them.
>>
>
>again, art at its best, in my opinion. Maybe we view the world differently.
>:)
>
Well if you endorse scams and ripoffs then yes, we have a different view of the
world. However, circus leaders and stage magicians do not claim to be
performing supernatural feats. Harry Houdini spent considerable effort in his
lifetime debunking 'supernatural' fraud. That didn't seem to affect the amount
of people wanting to watch him perform his illusions. PT Barnum was referring
to ponzy scams when he said a sucker is born every minute, but he might as well
have been referring to the crystal ball crowd he helped get started. So what?
PT Barnum knew that his frauds sucked which is why he tried to make zoos
instead, but nobody wanted to go see a shark in a tank, they wanted to see the
fake mermaid.. PT Barnum also pushed for blacks and women to get the vote. But
the end never justifies the means and even Barnum likely knew that. When PT
Barnum was operating the world was a much more gulliable place, hopefully if a
guy like PT came around today he could promote progressive viewpoints without
resorting to exploitation to gain a bully pulpit. Well, maybe not, if Jimmy
Pattison and his Ripley's empire is any indication... Pattison does nothing but
exploit and doesn't promote any progressive viewpoints. Anyway Barnum was a
very thoughtful character, his own statement 'a sucker is born every minute'
seems to be a personal 'humbugism' which is something he wrote an entire book
about in order to exorcize these regressive traits from his own personality.
Karen Horney would be proud!
TheFifthBeatle
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Just improbable.
Raincoat Flasher
spide...@hotmail.com says...
>
>
>"Flash Cadillac" <sp5...@spsssamr.org> wrote in message
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>> In article <TKgXa.68326$hOa....@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,
>> spide...@hotmail.com says...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >yeah, everyone who's never done anything that wasn't uber-constructive
>can
>> >cast the first stone. otherwise, please close the piehole. thanks
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> I don't agree with that sentiment. You're making some sort of religious
>> allusion to 'he who has not sinned cast the first stone' or whatever. Not
>> doing something constructive isn't a sin, unless you're one of the
>superstition
>> ninnies who believe 'idle hands are the devils playground'. And if you
>do, how
>> can you be sure these flash mobs aren't set up by SATAN himself?
>>
>
>i was referring to the lashing out at those people who take the
>'holier-than-thou' approach to what others do with their time (see previous
>post/s).
Those posts you're referring to were probably from me, I like to change my
posting name frequently. But I haven't seen any posts of the type you've
described in this thread posted by me or anyone else. My critique of the flash
mobbing addressed several points none of which included a 'holier than thou'
approach.
>as for not doing something constructive, do the words "playstation
>2" mean anything to you? well, they sure as hell do to me!! LOL. Tony Hawk
>ProSkater 4. who's with me? -- online, look up DEVOLUTION, and i'll teach
>you the meaning of the word 'going down' (that's a shout out to my homies
>looking for the alt.toronto.submission group). ;)
So you're taking a holier than thou approach, and as a credophile you're trying
to project that onto me. Playing playstation videogames may not be
'constructive' but its not DEstructive either, so therefore there is
absoluetely nothing wrong with it (and for that matter neither is there
anything wrong with flash mobbing). A lot of people probably play video games
because they are lonely. Some of the people attending flash mobs would
probably attend for the same reason. It seems to me your 'humbugism', if I can
borrow the term from PT Barnum for a moment, stems from my pointing out various
reasons why people might be inclined to do flash mobbing. These reasons have
to do with negative qualities possesed by the participants (ie they're lonely,
bored, and can't find anything better to do with their time). Naturally you'll
find these remarks to be hostile if you are enthused about engaging in flash
mobbing. As a defence, you seem to be wanting to believe that flash mobbing is
somehow more constructive than playing videogames. And in order to do that
you've had to denigrate playing videogames. Incidentally, it should be noted
that designing a videogame is probably more constructive than playing a
videogame, and so organizing a flash mob must also be more constructive than
participating in one.
JohnL
...bullshit, today, anything's possible.
nightwriter
"Raincoat Flasher" <spa...@spa99mr.org> wrote in message
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yes. that was my point. thanks for playing.
>A lot of people probably play video games
> because they are lonely.
yes, i do think it was you i took offense with. These assumptions about
peoples motivations are absolutely vapid not just because they're limited to
your own experience, but because they're so wrong. Lonely? "a lot of
people..."? I play games because I love them. I shun social activities
from time to time to play them because i find them very entertaining. My
friends and I play online together and talk on the phone at the same time.
my playstation comment was actually just a comment, not a thesis, not an
argument, just a comment.
>Some of the people attending flash mobs would
> probably attend for the same reason.
of course. to say that people aren't lonely would be to lie. some people
get into politics because they're lonely, some into porn, and some into
bartending. big deal. why is the psychological motivation of the partakers
even relevant if what they're 'guilty' of is a universal feeling/situation?
it sort of negates itself through its broadness, no?
>It seems to me your 'humbugism', if I can
> borrow the term from PT Barnum
forgive me, i found myself to be very entertaining and humourous, but alas,
it has been proven once again that my humour is not universal... damn...
>for a moment, stems from my pointing out various
> reasons why people might be inclined to do flash mobbing. These reasons
have
> to do with negative qualities possesed by the participants (ie they're
lonely,
> bored, and can't find anything better to do with their time).
a ha. i see why i don't enjoy your posts. "loneliness" and "boredom" are
not negative qualities, and in fact, in the right doses, are very positive.
are you one of those people who are always "happy"? is permanent happiness
the goal? if you're not happy all the time, are you upset that you're not
happy? interesting. i'm curious about that statement about negative
qualities (a double negative?). you certainly seem to have placed yourself
on a superior platform over those who partake in these activities. i also
enjoyed 'can't find anything better to do with their time'. in the end, is
reading a book better than attending a flash mobbing? i don't think so.
experience is just that - experience. everything's valid, there is no right
way or wrong way to live your life, as long as people's rights aren't
violated in the process. you're from calgary, aren't you....
>Naturally you'll
> find these remarks to be hostile if you are enthused about engaging in
flash
> mobbing.
i was defending what i perceived to be an unfair/biased psychological
assessment of a group of people whom the poster (possibly you) doesn't know
a single thing about in the slightest. ignorance i don't mind. forceful,
willed ignorance is another matter. blatant ignorance to achieve a morally
superior feeling is something that just gets under my skin. you're
definitely from calgary...
>As a defence, you seem to be wanting to believe that flash mobbing is
> somehow more constructive than playing videogames.
not better. more like equal. in a society where leisure is paramount and
abundant, it's all the same, ultimately. a desire to experience.
>And in order to do that
> you've had to denigrate playing videogames.
ahhh, but i like playing video games, therefore i denigrate thyself, and
therefore must be a negative qualitied person, and therefore unhappy.
>Incidentally, it should be noted
> that designing a videogame is probably more constructive than playing a
> videogame, and so organizing a flash mob must also be more constructive
than
> participating in one.
i'm writing video games too. one is play (playing games), one is work
(writing games). one is leisure, one is focus. there is a difference. i'm
not sure what it is yet, but when i do, we'll organize a flash mob and i'll
tell you.
INSERT PYSCHOANALYSIS HERE:
>
>
TheFifthBeatle
Pham Nuwen
> Heh, interesting. (You should try as a cartoon character, ergo 'Black
> Jacque Shellacque' :-)
I have. Ranma Saotome.
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============================================================
BillyBob
>
> I think a better one would be to get a bunch of 400 pound plus people
together
> to swarm an all-you-can-eat buffet somewhere at the same time!
>
> (find one with a sign that says, "no shirt, no shoes, no service" and have
all
> these 400 pounders walk in wearing ONLY shirt & shoes (ie. NO PANTS!!)
*LOL*)
I like that one......LOL.......It would be good for the obese to get out and
get some excercise and to chow down...One group of skinnies could act as
attendants to the obese and get their cutlery and food while they rested
before their meal(s)....Some conmpetitive buffet might set this one
up...then the "vengeance flash mobbing" would begin.
Flash Bastard
spide...@hotmail.com says...
>
>
>yes, i do think it was you i took offense with. These assumptions about
>peoples motivations are absolutely vapid not just because they're limited to
>your own experience, but because they're so wrong.
Actually you're wrong because you're suggesting that my lack of experience
precludes me from having an opinion. I've never raped anybody but I know that
I don't want to. According to your logic that is a position based in
'ignorance'. I prefer to believe that it's based in wisdom.
>My
>friends and I play online together and talk on the phone at the same time.
>my playstation comment was actually just a comment, not a thesis, not an
>argument, just a comment.
>
So what? Are my statements not also 'comments'? What are you saying?
>
>>Some of the people attending flash mobs would
>> probably attend for the same reason.
>
>of course. to say that people aren't lonely would be to lie. some people
>get into politics because they're lonely, some into porn, and some into
>bartending. big deal. why is the psychological motivation of the partakers
>even relevant if what they're 'guilty' of is a universal feeling/situation?
>it sort of negates itself through its broadness, no?
>
All means of satisfying social needs are not created equal. Playing videogames
IS more constructive than getting drunk with your buddies and spraying pepper
spray around during fireworks exhibitions, for example.
>>for a moment, stems from my pointing out various
>> reasons why people might be inclined to do flash mobbing. These reasons
>have
>> to do with negative qualities possesed by the participants (ie they're
>lonely,
>> bored, and can't find anything better to do with their time).
>
>a ha. i see why i don't enjoy your posts. "loneliness" and "boredom" are
>not negative qualities,
and why are you claiming I have placed value qualities on them? I haven't,
but you are:
>and in fact, in the right doses, are very positive.
That's your opinion. What is positive about loneliness? Somebody might create
a sad sad song and make a million bucks off their loneliness, while tugging
others emotional strings. That doesn't mean loneliness is positive that means
a lonely person has TURNED his loneliness into something positive. And now
he's probably no longer lonely, he's famous! Unfortunately he's probably
messed up and confused like you so he wont be able to handle the roller
coaster ride and end up killing himself with while masturbating with a belt
around his neck in a hotel room, but that's another story altogether. Now I
think a sad sad song that pulls peoples heart strings is more positive than
pointless 'flash mob' inaity, but you know we're all entitled to our opinions,
or at least I like to think so, but apparently you don't?
>are you one of those people who are always "happy"? is permanent happiness
>the goal? if you're not happy all the time, are you upset that you're not
>happy? interesting. i'm curious about that statement about negative
>qualities (a double negative?). you certainly seem to have placed yourself
>on a superior platform over those who partake in these activities. i also
>enjoyed 'can't find anything better to do with their time'. in the end, is
>reading a book better than attending a flash mobbing? i don't think so.
It really depends, if you gain more insight from reading the book, which you
probably will, then definitely. But that is not to say that someone standing
next to you at the flash mob might not have an exchange with you that is
equally or more rewarding and insightful than the book might have been. It
just seems unlikely that you'd run into an interesting person at such an event,
thats all I'm saying. If you attend the monster truck rally or a professional
wrestling event you would not expect to debate politics or philosophy with the
guy sitting next to you. Sure, it could happen, I'm not saying everyone who
attends those events is a neandrathal by default, but if you wanted to have a
stimulating conversation you should obviously go somewhere other than a monster
truck rally or wrestling match. If you want to have an interesting life,
attending flash mobs on a regular basis probably isn't going to help but on the
other hand attending once probably couldn't hurt. I know I have no need for
the experience myself but I'm sure many people would try it once before
deciding its a waste of time, and others might really get into it. Too bad for
them, like you pointed out there are myriad useless distractions in this world.
No skin off my back, I only need to make my life interesting for myself! But
it would be selfish to not at least give a little friendly advice, wouldn't it?
>experience is just that - experience. everything's valid, there is no right
>way or wrong way to live your life,
including pedophelia?
>you're from calgary, aren't you....
>
um no. You've ran out of gas, haven't you? I think the guy who was so
enthused about flash mobbing to start this thread trying to get people to do it
is from Calgary though.
>
>i was defending what i perceived to be an unfair/biased psychological
>assessment of a group of people whom the poster (possibly you) doesn't know
>a single thing about in the slightest. ignorance i don't mind. forceful,
>willed ignorance is another matter. blatant ignorance to achieve a morally
>superior feeling is something that just gets under my skin. you're
>definitely from calgary...
>
I know plenty about flash mobs I read an article in the newspaper before this
thread appeared! I am as informed as the next guy.
>
>>As a defence, you seem to be wanting to believe that flash mobbing is
>> somehow more constructive than playing videogames.
>
>not better. more like equal. in a society where leisure is paramount and
>abundant, it's all the same, ultimately. a desire to experience.
>
That's not the philosophy I subscribe to. Why can't you accept that? I don't
care what you want to do, however it is my right to criticize just as it your
right to criticize my criticism however we're just going to get into a vicious
loop here with that! I think we've both got our point across, but you're
welcome to the last word if you like.
>
>>And in order to do that
>> you've had to denigrate playing videogames.
>
>
>ahhh, but i like playing video games, therefore i denigrate thyself, and
>therefore must be a negative qualitied person, and therefore unhappy.
>
err, if you say so??? I can't really comment on things that don't make sense
to me, and that statement certainly didn't.
>i'm writing video games too. one is play (playing games), one is work
>(writing games). one is leisure, one is focus. there is a difference. i'm
>not sure what it is yet, but when i do, we'll organize a flash mob and i'll
>tell you.
>
>
Well if the video game is based on the breakout/arkanoid model I'll give it a
try, otherwise I'm not interested, just a personal preference, I like one
videogame and its arkanoid. And of course you already know I'm not interested
in flash mobbing...
Mother Superior
spide...@hotmail.com says...
>
>on a superior platform over those who partake in these activities.
yeah, so what? Am I stopping you from being more superior than me? Hey I'd
prefer someone out there in front who's lead I could follow, like a pair of red
rear-running lights on a dark highway. nobody wants to be the guy stumbling
around in the dark ahead of the pack! And yet, this appears to be my burden...
<siggggggghhhhh> (emphasis on melodrama intended)
> in the end, is
>reading a book better than attending a flash mobbing? i don't think so.
especially if the book is Dianetics, or something from Dr. Phil! In fact, lets
face it, most books are as useless as flash mobbing or world wrestling
spectacle is.
>experience is just that - experience. everything's valid, there is no right
>way or wrong way to live your life, as long as people's rights aren't
>violated in the process.
There are better ways and worse ways to live life, period. I'm sorry that you
can't accept that. Its not against the law to flash mob and never should be.
That doesn't mean its not a pointless waste of time. I will always point out
that ritual is a pointless waste of time because it is, no matter the ritual or
the purpose.
>forceful,
>willed ignorance is another matter. blatant ignorance to achieve a morally
>superior feeling is something that just gets under my skin.
My superior feeling does not come from any 'moral' position, in fact rejecting
the concept of 'morality' was one of the first steps I had to take in order to
become superior to most people. It seems you've taken that step yourself, so
good luck..
Flash Bastard
spaj...@sp-8amr.org says...
>
>There are better ways and worse ways to live life, period. I'm sorry that you
>can't accept that. Its not against the law to flash mob and never should be.
becomse a bonafied phenomena rather than a journalist's filler during a slow
news week, then these flash mobs will be used as cover for all the usual
behavior associated with mobs. As soon as a few women get gropped and their
shirts soaked in an involuntary impromtu 'wet t-shirt' contest within one of
these mobs, the novelty will wear off pretty quick. And those who use the mob
for cover for vandalism, shoplifting and other activities for which mobs
provide the perfect environment to commit such crimes may end up getting the
wacky hi-jinks of mobbing shut down in a hurry. But the organizers don't
condone it? Who fucking cares. Grow up! I'm just assuming this flash mobbing
thing will never get off the ground and exists only as a warped social power
fantasy in the minds of addled post-adolescent nerds like yourself but if it
does take off like wildfire, it'll implode on itself quick enough as well it
should because its just so STUPID!
Flash Cube
>
>ser...@suumr.org (Maplethwapp) wrote:
>M> In article <bglu5c$nd$1...@vcn.bc.ca>, gap...@vcn.bc.ca says...
>M> >spa...@spassmr.org (Art for Arts Sake) wrote:
>M> >AS> hallejula! praise jesus in urine!
>M> >
>M> >I thought the "art" in question was actually called "Pope in Piss"?
>M> >
>M>
>M> Well thats because your ignorance is consistent and you aren't aware of mu
>M> anything in the art world besides that creepy monalisa painting. Does the
>M> Maplethorpe ring a bell?
>
>Nope, but I'm not in an art newsgroup pretending to know anything about the
>newsgroup's subject -- I was referring to a little VANCOUVER incident of an
Art
>Gallery show a few years ago that got some religious people up in arms, being
>one of the key showpieces was called "Pope in Piss"! :|
>
ahh ok, well then that would qualify under the term 'derivative', originality
is always a nice thing to be found in art, but maybe only because its so rare.
Black Jacque Shellacque
Pham Nuwen wrote:
> Black Jacque Shellacque wrote:
>
>> Heh, interesting. (You should try as a cartoon character, ergo
>> 'Black Jacque Shellacque' :-)
>
>
> I have. Ranma Saotome.
Ah, anime? I always thought that was an interesting art form, very
unique compared to other kinds of animation.
--
"Never ask what sort of computer a guy drives. If he's a Mac user,he'll tell you. If not, why embarrass him?"
-- Tom Clancy.
Dr. Fred Mbogo
> When Spammers stop fucking with me. Boo Fucking Hoo. You don't like it,
> filter on my name not my email address. =8)
Bah. That would require learning something. I'll just give each of your
email addresses a different score so I can track the progression. :)
Dr. Fred Mbogo
> It's wierd, I found that people were much more combative, and didn't
> respond at all the same way. I think psychologicaly people are more at
> ease talking to a person (even if he is fictional)"Pham Nuwen" than the
> abstract idea "Freedom"
Now that is interesting.
So can we infer that you prefer being mistaken for oriental to being
seen as the scratching post for socialist kittens?
Maybe I ought to try this nym-shifting some time. But I really like
this name.
nightwriter
"Flash Bastard" <spa...@spafgjfmr.org> wrote in message
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> In article <n4xXa.99148$rsJ....@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,
> spide...@hotmail.com says...
> >
> >
> >yes, i do think it was you i took offense with. These assumptions about
> >peoples motivations are absolutely vapid not just because they're limited
to
> >your own experience, but because they're so wrong.
>
> Actually you're wrong because you're suggesting that my lack of experience
> precludes me from having an opinion. I've never raped anybody but I know
that
> I don't want to. According to your logic that is a position based in
> 'ignorance'. I prefer to believe that it's based in wisdom.
oh, do keep up, james... not in all instances, but in terms of peoples
motivations. please read the post.
>
>
> >My
> >friends and I play online together and talk on the phone at the same
time.
> >my playstation comment was actually just a comment, not a thesis, not an
> >argument, just a comment.
> >
>
> So what? Are my statements not also 'comments'? What are you saying?
yours was more an argument than a statement, really, wasn't it? i think
so.
>
>
> >
> >>Some of the people attending flash mobs would
> >> probably attend for the same reason.
> >
> >of course. to say that people aren't lonely would be to lie. some
people
> >get into politics because they're lonely, some into porn, and some into
> >bartending. big deal. why is the psychological motivation of the
partakers
> >even relevant if what they're 'guilty' of is a universal
feeling/situation?
> >it sort of negates itself through its broadness, no?
> >
>
> All means of satisfying social needs are not created equal. Playing
videogames
> IS more constructive than getting drunk with your buddies and spraying
pepper
> spray around during fireworks exhibitions, for example.
if the pepper spray doesn't hurt anyone, i can't see how it's less
constructive. it's certainly a relatively good time shared by those
partaking.
>
>
> >>for a moment, stems from my pointing out various
> >> reasons why people might be inclined to do flash mobbing. These
reasons
> >have
> >> to do with negative qualities possesed by the participants (ie they're
> >lonely,
> >> bored, and can't find anything better to do with their time).
> >
> >a ha. i see why i don't enjoy your posts. "loneliness" and "boredom"
are
> >not negative qualities,
>
> and why are you claiming I have placed value qualities on them? I
haven't,
> but you are:
because you said the words "negative qualities"....
>
> >and in fact, in the right doses, are very positive.
>
> That's your opinion. What is positive about loneliness?
because our lives are defined by relativism. because experience is
knowledge.
>Somebody might create
> a sad sad song and make a million bucks off their loneliness, while
tugging
> others emotional strings. That doesn't mean loneliness is positive that
means
> a lonely person has TURNED his loneliness into something positive.
there is no good without evil. relativity, friend, is the great measuring
stick.
alls fair in love and war ;)
>
>
> >experience is just that - experience. everything's valid, there is no
right
> >way or wrong way to live your life,
>
> including pedophelia?
i have stated in my earlier posts that as long as no one's rights are
infringed upon, yes.
i absolutely love arkanoid. love it. well done. a fine way to end this
thread. adieu.
>
Bob
around class and at a specific time people would all cough in unison...
pretty meaningless, but fun in a way...and inexplicable to the teacher!
"Flash Cube" <spa...@spa789mr.org> wrote in message
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Bob
from the 2010 winter olympics!
"use your powers for good"
"Flash Bastard" <spauy...@spa-89mr.org> wrote in message
news:t7zXa.618377$3C2.15...@news3.calgary.shaw.ca...
> In article <8%yXa.618244$ro6.13...@news2.calgary.shaw.ca>,
> spaj...@sp-8amr.org says...
> >
> >There are better ways and worse ways to live life, period. I'm sorry
that you
> >can't accept that. Its not against the law to flash mob and never should
be.
>
> Actually I take that back, if this stupid flash mobbing nonsense actually
> becomse a bonafied phenomena rather than a journalist's filler during a
slow
> news week, then these flash mobs will be used as cover for all the usual
> behavior associated with mobs. As soon as a few women get gropped and
their
> shirts soaked in an involuntary impromtu 'wet t-shirt' contest within one
of
> these mobs, the novelty will wear off pretty quick. And those who use the
mob
No, i would say the desire to hold wet t-shirt contests would not wear off
quick! They have been going strong for many years, especially in Surrey...
> for cover for vandalism, shoplifting and other activities for which mobs
> provide the perfect environment to commit such crimes may end up getting
the
> wacky hi-jinks of mobbing shut down in a hurry. But the organizers don't
> condone it? Who fucking cares. Grow up! I'm just assuming this flash
mobbing
I care. I am grown up.
> thing will never get off the ground and exists only as a warped social
power
> fantasy in the minds of addled post-adolescent nerds like yourself but if
it
> does take off like wildfire, it'll implode on itself quick enough as well
it
> should because its just so STUPID!
>
I had a prof who once said "crazy, stupid ideas are the ones that make you a
genius" or something to that effect, citing Edison and Einstein. I love it
when people say an idea is STUPID because it means they are projecting
themselves onto someone who actually has an ORIGINAL idea. And they are
simply jeleous! Keep it coming, i love to laugh....
Bob
smoked a rocket with their friends and distributed 14 grams to their
friends!?
medicinal of course...
Black Jacque Shellacque
Bob wrote:
>I think a best flashmob of this decade would organize to boycott the USA
>from the 2010 winter olympics!
>
>"use your powers for good"
>
Why?
Bob
would be much richer (culturally) and safer.
why?
because we would do things without going off half-cocked.
why?
because we would understand the big picture before killing people
why?
because killing other people is bad
why?
well, who gets to decide who deserves to decide?
why?
now you're just being silly
why?
because
why because?
Because because. Now shut up!
"Black Jacque Shellacque" <spam...@are.vermin> wrote in message
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> our friends to the south....
You presume much...
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Black Jacque Shellacque
Bob wrote:
>
<<snip>>
I think you are confusing the USA olympic team with the US government.
If you have a beef with the policies of the US Government, then that is
one thing. However you are talking about instigating a boycott against
the US olympic team. What have those athletes done that is politically
objectionable?
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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