Re: New Song - Elementary

[Michael]

Glennbo <vdrumsYourHe...@cox.net> wrote in
news:XnsA6EACA17EB0AABr...@213.239.209.88:

>
> A new song using pretty much everything that came with the cheepo
> version of Komplete called "Elements" that I got for Christmas. There
> are 8 tracks.
>
> 1. Kontakt 5 Abbey Roads 60s Drums "Vintage"
> 2. Kontakt 5 Vienna Symphony Orchestra Strings
> 3. Kontakt 5 Vienna Symphony Orchestra Brass
> 4. Reaktor 5 "Report the Weather" (Sounds like Weather Report)
> 5. Kontakt 5 "Kora" (West African stringed instrument)
> 6. Kontakt 5 Hammond C3/Leslie (Keith Emerson sounding organ)
> 7. Guitar Rig "AC Box" Gibson L6S 6-String (real guitar)
> 8. Guitar Rig "Bass Pro" Gretsch Jet bass (real bass)
>
> I call it "Elementary" at:
>
> http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=13504528


So everything here but the guitars (bass included) is Kontakt's
instruments?

The C3/Leslie voicing is *amazing*. The brass, maybe not so much...
it's good but not up to the organ's standard. :-)

BTW, I love that the tune's part of a playlist: I'm listening to your
other tunes as I write, and it makes the writing-ad-lib flow way better.
So, I think what I need you to do for me is put together some stuff that
will help me not make 20 typos per 100 words. :-)

[John Braner]

On 27/12/2016 01:50, Glennbo wrote:
> A new song using pretty much everything that came with the cheepo version
> of Komplete called "Elements" that I got for Christmas. There are 8 tracks.
>
> 1. Kontakt 5 Abbey Roads 60s Drums "Vintage"
> 2. Kontakt 5 Vienna Symphony Orchestra Strings
> 3. Kontakt 5 Vienna Symphony Orchestra Brass
> 4. Reaktor 5 "Report the Weather" (Sounds like Weather Report)
> 5. Kontakt 5 "Kora" (West African stringed instrument)
> 6. Kontakt 5 Hammond C3/Leslie (Keith Emerson sounding organ)
> 7. Guitar Rig "AC Box" Gibson L6S 6-String (real guitar)
> 8. Guitar Rig "Bass Pro" Gretsch Jet bass (real bass)
>
> I call it "Elementary" at:
>
> http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=13504528
>

Sounds good!

I think the brass is just thee "because it can", and I'm never crazy about the hammond/leslie sound
that dances constantly from L to R to L - but the sounds are a good bunch of sounds to work with.

--
===========
John Braner

http://cdbaby.com/cd/JohnBraner2
http://www.soundclick.com/johnbraner

[BobF]

On 12/26/2016 7:50 PM, Glennbo wrote:
> A new song using pretty much everything that came with the cheepo version
> of Komplete called "Elements" that I got for Christmas. There are 8 tracks.
>
> 1. Kontakt 5 Abbey Roads 60s Drums "Vintage"
> 2. Kontakt 5 Vienna Symphony Orchestra Strings
> 3. Kontakt 5 Vienna Symphony Orchestra Brass
> 4. Reaktor 5 "Report the Weather" (Sounds like Weather Report)
> 5. Kontakt 5 "Kora" (West African stringed instrument)
> 6. Kontakt 5 Hammond C3/Leslie (Keith Emerson sounding organ)
> 7. Guitar Rig "AC Box" Gibson L6S 6-String (real guitar)
> 8. Guitar Rig "Bass Pro" Gretsch Jet bass (real bass)
>
> I call it "Elementary" at:
>
> http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=13504528
>

Cool tune. That's one of my favorite of yours

[BobF]

On 12/27/2016 12:33 PM, Glennbo wrote:
> In news:o3tu0v$iuk$1...@dont-email.me the killer robot BobF
> <nos...@spam.can> grabbed the controls of the spaceship cakewalk.audio
> and pressed these buttons...

> Thanks Bob! :-)
>
> I recorded both the bass and guitar direct, with no effects, and then used
> Guitar Rig alone for the amp and effects, just to see how it would sound.
> I'm pretty impressed with it overall, and the funny thing of it is, when I
> was evaluating it with my guitar, I played around with the control they
> amazingly call "Air", on the speaker model. Anyway, after tweaking it to
> what sounded good to my ears, at one point I actually was fooled into
> thinking that I had my Orange Micro Terror and Gretsch speaker cab turned
> on. I thought "did I turn that stuff on to compare with and forgot to turn
> it back off?". I looked at the Orange amp and it was off, and I thought,
> "they've done a bang up job on re-creating the air sound of a speaker cab".
>

Sims for guitar have come a long way in the last few years.

[John Braner]

On 27/12/2016 18:27, Glennbo wrote:
> In news:o3thul$77n$1...@news.albasani.net the killer robot John Braner
> <m...@myhouse.com> grabbed the controls of the spaceship cakewalk.audio
> and pressed these buttons...
>

> Thanks John! :-)
>
> I'm guessing that Sonar has a "width" control that works in conjunction
> with the pan control. I say guessing, coz it didn't have it in my last
> version, "Sonar 5". Anyway, I frequently will use the width control to
> make things, like the cymbal panning on most of my Toontrack drum kits for
> instance, less hard panned stereo L/R. I've used it on the Leslie of the B4
> Organ as well, but the C3 on this song was in Kontakt with all the other
> Kontakt instruments, and using width would have affected all of them too.
>
>

Yeah - there is a plugin called "channel tools" which can do stereo width. I use the "VB3" hammond,
so I'd just adjust width on the instrument itself. Are you sure the Kontakt instrument doesn't have
a setting for this?

[BobF]

On 12/28/2016 10:08 AM, Glennbo wrote:
> In news:o40ait$m9a$1...@news.albasani.net the killer robot John Braner

> I checked it out this morning, and doing within Kontakt is not possible,
> but I could probably put the C3 on it's own send and then use the native
> width control that's right on every channel strip in Reaper. I haven't yet
> messed with using multi-outs on Kontakt, but it may be limited since I'm
> using the free *player* version that comes with the ultra cheep "Elements"
> version of Komplete.
>

Are you able to use multiple instances of the player? One instance on a
separate track with only the B3 might work too

[BobF]

On 12/28/2016 10:14 AM, Glennbo wrote:
> In news:o3uosn$rje$1...@dont-email.me the killer robot BobF

> Well I am finally impressed with them. The sound of paper cones flapping in
> the air and picked up by a microphone was something they never did worth a
> flip, but they have finally made it over that hurdle. In the past, modeled
> guitar amp/speaker sims always had a sterile sound that was too perfect.
>

It's impressive that you can hear the diff at your age <gg>

[BobF]

On 12/28/2016 2:06 PM, Glennbo wrote:
> In news:o40tde$k33$1...@dont-email.me the killer robot BobF
> <nos...@spam.can> grabbed the controls of the spaceship cakewalk.audio

> Yeah, I can definitely do that. On this first song I did with Elements, I
> wanted to try using one instance of Kontakt just to see how that worked. It
> was a breeze lacing up the MIDI for the five tracks using Kontakt, but I
> haven't yet delved into lacing up and assigning multiple audio outs. It
> looks like I can do as many as 64 audio outs, but I'm not sure how you
> would get more than 16 unique MIDI channels into it for that.
>

Multiple controllers via multiple MIDI ports?

Prolly most useful for triggering multiple synths with the same MIDI
driving multi out channels.

[BobF]

On 12/28/2016 2:13 PM, Glennbo wrote:
> In news:o40tfg$k33$2...@dont-email.me the killer robot BobF

> My hearing is still pretty good for a guy who played in LOUD live bands for
> twenty plus years. <g>
>

I've always HATED the sound of live music.

[BobF]

On 12/28/2016 3:36 PM, Glennbo wrote:
> In news:o4198r$v7u$2...@dont-email.me the killer robot BobF

> I've always played live with guys who are top notch studio players, and we
> always had top notch gear on stage so it was more like listening to a BIG
> and LOUD set of studio monitors. The one and only place we ever played
> that didn't have that quality of sound was a mansion that had marble walls
> in a huge hall. I could hear my kick drum delayed by a half second louder
> coming off the opposing wall than I could hear it from my bass drum. That
> was because it was being amplified through a very nice pile of JBL
> speakers, powered by a rack full of Crown amplifiers. :-)
>

You guys were obviously better set up than the few concerts I attended

[BobF]

On 12/28/2016 4:22 PM, Glennbo wrote:
> In news:o41c9m$aoq$1...@dont-email.me the killer robot BobF

> What we used were front loaded speakers, rather than the normal long
> throw, horn style cabinets. We had four JBL Cabaret cabinets, and two
> JBL Cabaret sub woofer cabinets. All front loaded, which gives the
> speakers more cabinet space for a richer fuller sound, but with less
> projection than the horn style cabinets. These are similar to ours,
> except we had two of the top cabinets sitting on each sub woofer.
>
> http://www.audioheritage.org/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=48443&stc=1&d=1289098657
>
>
> The long throw style cabinets look similar to these. They get farther
> out to a crowd, but sound nasaly and piercing.
>
> http://thumbs3.picclick.com/d/w1600/pict/310177942002_/JBL-4560-Bass-Bin-Speaker-Plans.jpg
>

If Kansas and Bob Seger would've used your rig I prolly wouldn't have
quit going to concerts

[John Braner]

On 28/12/2016 21:03, Glennbo wrote:
> In news:o418m4$te7$1...@dont-email.me the killer robot BobF

> I have a pair of matching Delta AP2496 cards in my DAW, each with their own
> 16 channel MIDI in/out, so I can receive up to 32 MIDI channels, but once
> they get recorded, they will be numbered 1-16, so I still not sure about
> how Kontakt can see more than 16 that are coming from recorded midi tracks.
>
> When I recorded my song using separate MIDI tracks in Reaper, I used a bus
> for each track, and channelized what got sent to the host track for
> Kontakt. If I had two tracks both sending on the same MIDI channel, they
> would have both played the same instrument sound. Not like I'm ever going
> to even use 16 MIDI parts going to one instance of Kontakt though, so I
> won't lose any sleep over how they do it. ;)
>

I wasn't sure if "Player" had multi outputs - but since it does, that's the way to go.
As you've said, you'll be hard pressed to need >16 parts for one instance of Kontakt - and even if
you do, you could "double up" some parts ;-)

In SONAR, you set up a track template once - then you can load this and all the MIDI tracks and
outputs etc are set up. I'm sure reaper will have a way to do this (or set up a template project
with Kontakt loaded?)

Of course the other option is to bounce your parts individually - to audio tracks. Then you can put
seperate FX (incl wideners etc) on the individual tracks.

[John Braner]

On 31/12/2016 14:54, Glennbo wrote:
> In news:o480og$a5k$1...@news.albasani.net the killer robot John Braner
> <m...@myhouse.com> grabbed the controls of the spaceship cakewalk.audio

> I've got three versions of Kontakt showing up. An 8 channel, 16, channel,
> and 64 channel. I put the 8 channel one into my "favorites" plugin folder.

>
>> In SONAR, you set up a track template once - then you can load this
>> and all the MIDI tracks and outputs etc are set up. I'm sure reaper
>> will have a way to do this (or set up a template project with Kontakt
>> loaded?)
>

> Yup, I have a bunch of templates for multi-output plugins, like Superior
> Drummer, Phenome, Proteus VX, ect. I'll get around to setting one up for
> Kontakt, and probably Reaktor too, although it's less likely that I would
> use multiple outs from Reaktor.

>
>> Of course the other option is to bounce your parts individually - to
>> audio tracks. Then you can put seperate FX (incl wideners etc) on the
>> individual tracks.
>

> The one and only thing I ever bounce to audio tracks is the short midi
> clips from Superior Drummer that I use for my metronome. I'll pick a pre
> made groove that's in the vein of what I'm trying to record, and then
> bounce that to an audio clip, so when I record the real drums, Superior is
> not busy playing my scratch track. Other than that, I try to stay away from
> ever freezing or bouncing to audio since my machine has no problem keeping
> it all virtual. :-)
>


>since my machine has no problem keeping it all virtual.
I like to bounce - so that you don't have to worry about the synth being loaded with the right
sounds etc.

I also bounce my guitar amp tracks - because the CPU dies with too many of them ;-)

[John Braner]

On 02/01/2017 14:51, Glennbo wrote:
> In news:o4dg92$qsf$1...@news.albasani.net the killer robot John Braner

> <m...@myhouse.com> grabbed the controls of the spaceship cakewalk.audio
> and pressed these buttons...
>

/snip

>>
>> >since my machine has no problem keeping it all virtual.
>>
>> I like to bounce - so that you don't have to worry about the synth
>> being loaded with the right sounds etc.
>

> What synth do you use that doesn't load the correct sounds? Every softsynth

No - I mean if you load the song 4 years from now, and you don't have the same version of synth
VSTi, or whatever. It's just for "safety" ;-)


> I have, which is not a huge number, load up the proper sounds or samples
> that they were saved with in the song. Superior Drummer, Phenome, Vsampler,
> Proteus VX, FM7, B4 Organ, Arturia Minimoog, and a few others I use always
> load up the sound they had loaded when I save the song. Same with
> convolution reverbs and whatever impulses I might have had selected.

>
>> I also bounce my guitar amp tracks - because the CPU dies with too
>> many of them ;-)
>

> If the CPU is taking a hit, that would be when I would freeze. I used to do
> it with Sonar, but I had a Core 2 Duo then (it's now a TV computer), but
> since I built a Core i5 machine several years ago, and then started using
> Reaper, I haven't needed to freeze any tracks. How many virtual guitar
> amps does it take before the CPU starts feeling bogged down? I used two on

My CPU starts to bog down after 6 or 7 guitar parts. I like to use a lot of guitar parts ;-)

I just "freeze" the tracks in SONAR, then I can unfreeze one at a time to make changes.





> this song. One for bass and another for the guitar. There was also an
> instance of Kontakt with a lot of samples loaded up and one instance of
> Reaktor. I was using Abbey Road Drums though, which are lighter weight than
> my usual gig and a half of Toontrack Superior Drums, Ludwig kit.