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Roger Greer

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Nov 18, 2003, 11:09:28 PM11/18/03
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The first thing I do when I pick up a guitar (out of habit) is check the
intonation. I ring the harmonic on the 12th fret and then play the 12th
fret on each string. I think it should come from the factory with the
string length already set up.

rg


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> I noticed Musician's Friend has a few refurbished OLP MM4 guitars for sale
> tonight, so I scarfed me one up. They are selling them for $109 which I
> couldn't resist. I've been wanting a whammy bar guitar in the humbucker
> bridge, single coil neck and middle configuration for a while, and having
> already owned an OLP bass (which I really really like a lot) I figured I
> couldn't go wrong for the price. Now I have to sell my Gretsch 4 string
> Electromatic bass to make room on the 5 slot guitar rack. <g>
>
> This is what it looks like. It's basically a Music Man Silhouette Special,
> which is a $1280 axe, but made in the OLP plant for many many less
dollars.
> http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/51/510946.jpg
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Gordon Gecko

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Nov 18, 2003, 11:42:43 PM11/18/03
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It's all Samick anyways. All the Korean shizz. Samick is Ibanez. No ESP
guitars were ever made in USA either.

Amazing. Regardless, I am still a complete and total guitar snob and wont
own any non usa made instrument. It's a pride thing. But for 12 year old
kids or really cheap bastards, why not spend $99 on a guitar, right? =)


> The intonation on my OLP bass was dead on, right out of the box. My
> Gretsch 4 string was *way* off, and I spent a couple hours getting it
> set right. My experience with OLP stuff has been that they seem to be
> of higher quality and craftsmanship than the other low line products
> from companies like Fender and Gibson. IOW, there is a real noticable
> difference in the feel (to me anyway) between a real Strat and a Squire
> Strat, or a real Les Paul and an Epiphone Les Paul, but the difference
> between a real Musicman and the OLP product is not as big. I had a dood
> over here in my studio two weeks ago who brought his *real* 4 string
> Musicman Stingray bass. Before he got it out of the case, my bud Joey
> Who??? said, "check out Glennbo's bass". He played it for about a
> minute, and asked, "do you mind if I use this bass on the track, I'm
> really liking this low B and it plays pretty much just like my MM
> bass?" So we used the $250 China bass instead of his $1200 MM bass.
>
> I'm hoping this guitar will be as well made as my bass is. Whatever I
> get, it's only costing me $109 so I can't go too wrong. :)
>


Roger Greer

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Nov 18, 2003, 11:58:04 PM11/18/03
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I bought a JapStrat on E-Bay for 75 US. I took it and installed a midi
pickup on it. I felt O.K. drilling holes in it. It came in a cardboard
box.. I have a midi guitar for 75$ or a JapStrat with the whammy bar for
75$. It was a no brainer.

rg


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Dave Mazza

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Nov 19, 2003, 1:10:45 AM11/19/03
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> I've been wanting a whammy bar guitar

Jeez man, you're only about 17 yrs late. Whammy bars are so OUT! (Unless
it's a big Gretsch w/a Bigsby.) <g>
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Nov 19, 2003, 2:16:49 AM11/19/03
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Ooo! Cool. My first (and only, so far) guitar is a wammy guitar. I find that
the floating Floyd Rose bridge is annoying sometimes, especially when
tuning. I've got a block of wood preventing it from raising the strings'
pitch.

I look forward to hearing your and Joey Who????'s wammy work.

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Sharon Memphis

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Nov 19, 2003, 7:57:11 AM11/19/03
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"Roger Greer" <rgr...@tcmax.not> wrote in message
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> I bought a JapStrat on E-Bay for 75 US. I took it and installed a midi
> pickup on it. I felt O.K. drilling holes in it. It came in a cardboard
> box.. I have a midi guitar for 75$ or a JapStrat with the whammy bar for
> 75$. It was a no brainer.

JapStrat ? Was it really made in Japan ? or was it made in China, Korea,
Taiwan, or some other
Asian rim country ? I think Fender's made in Japan are of a higher quality
than those made in the USA.
I have a 52 Tele reissue and an H/S/S pickup Strat that were made in Japan
and the quality of the
workmanship is far better than any USA made one I have ever played.

Memphis


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Boris Nienke

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Nov 19, 2003, 8:20:03 AM11/19/03
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 04:01:28 GMT, Glennbo wrote:

> This is what it looks like. It's basically a Music Man Silhouette Special,
> which is a $1280 axe, but made in the OLP plant for many many less dollars.
> http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/51/510946.jpg

this one looks really good - i like the design.
You are a lucky man - try to find such a guitar here in germany - you may
have to pay double the price... :(

although i like to see people get paid when doing good work i like the fact
to get a cheap but good (if not really good) guitar.

and don't forget: it doesn't matter how expensive a guitar is if you can't
play it. A bad playing won't be better with expensive instruments - but you
can do really good playings on cheap instruments (i have seen a guy in our
city some weeks ago playing a classic guitar song - wow! what a great tune!
But when you've looked at the guitar - man - you would have said that he
found it someone between 50 years old trash... But this guy was able to
play the thing!)

Boris

John David Duke Jr

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Nov 19, 2003, 8:25:35 AM11/19/03
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>
> If it helps, my other 6-string electric is a genuine "Made in USA" 75'
> Gibson L6S, that I bought for, hehe $100 back in 1980. ;)
>

no you didn't and I'm never talking to you again <pout>

Conrad Stolze

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Nov 19, 2003, 9:35:53 AM11/19/03
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My first guitar was an L6S. Had to put in on layway from 4 months just to
scrape up the $600 for it in '76. Then it got ripped off in a club a few
years later.

Hey... yours wouldn't happen to be black with Carvin pickups - wired in
stereo, would it? <g>

Conrad


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Cary Altschuler

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Nov 19, 2003, 9:50:28 AM11/19/03
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I have a bunch of cheap ass guitars as well. In fact lately, I've been
collecting all those free guitars that Sam Ash gives away with other
purchases. I got a Squire Bullet, made in Indoneisia. It actually sounds
and plays pretty nicely ...and it was free. I also have a Levinson Blade,
which is a Swiss design but made in Korea (paid for that one). It has a
whammy bar, but I blocked it because every time I bent a string up the
bridge would move and the other strings would go flat. Don't ever buy a
guitar with a Wilkenson tremelo! Of course I have my token USA guitar a PRS
singlecut gold top, but I rarely play it. I got a free Guitar Research bass
with that one. I love cheapo guitars! I keep them on a stand not in a case
and they're the first guitars I grab when I want to play or practice. I
wish they had guitars like these when I was younger and couldn't afford the
Gibsons and Fenders.

Cary

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> I noticed Musician's Friend has a few refurbished OLP MM4 guitars for sale
> tonight, so I scarfed me one up. They are selling them for $109 which I
> couldn't resist. I've been wanting a whammy bar guitar in the humbucker
> bridge, single coil neck and middle configuration for a while, and having
> already owned an OLP bass (which I really really like a lot) I figured I
> couldn't go wrong for the price. Now I have to sell my Gretsch 4 string
> Electromatic bass to make room on the 5 slot guitar rack. <g>
>

> This is what it looks like. It's basically a Music Man Silhouette Special,
> which is a $1280 axe, but made in the OLP plant for many many less
dollars.
> http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/51/510946.jpg
>
>

Glennbo

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Nov 19, 2003, 9:50:47 AM11/19/03
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The entity known as John David Duke Jr, posted:

>> If it helps, my other 6-string electric is a genuine "Made in USA" 75'
>> Gibson L6S, that I bought for, hehe $100 back in 1980. ;)

> no you didn't and I'm never talking to you again <pout>

LOL

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Glennbo

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Nov 19, 2003, 9:55:03 AM11/19/03
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The entity known as This Is My New Alias, posted:

> Ooo! Cool. My first (and only, so far) guitar is a wammy guitar. I
> find that the floating Floyd Rose bridge is annoying sometimes,
> especially when tuning. I've got a block of wood preventing it from
> raising the strings' pitch.

I used to have a Kramer with a Floyd Rose, but my practice wife got it.

> I look forward to hearing your and Joey Who????'s wammy work.

I should get it by Friday. I Googled up some posts from others who bought
the "B" stock of this guitar, and they were all positive reviews. :)

Glennbo

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Nov 19, 2003, 10:01:47 AM11/19/03
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The entity known as Boris Nienke, posted:

>> http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/51/510946.jpg
>
> this one looks really good - i like the design.
> You are a lucky man - try to find such a guitar here in germany - you
> may have to pay double the price... :(

It's pretty much OLP's dup of a Musicman Silhouette Special. And it's
officially licensed by Musicman.



> although i like to see people get paid when doing good work i like the
> fact to get a cheap but good (if not really good) guitar.

These are cheap to begin with, but this is a factory "B" stock instrument,
which is half the normal cheap price.



> and don't forget: it doesn't matter how expensive a guitar is if you
> can't play it. A bad playing won't be better with expensive
> instruments - but you can do really good playings on cheap instruments
> (i have seen a guy in our city some weeks ago playing a classic guitar
> song - wow! what a great tune! But when you've looked at the guitar -
> man - you would have said that he found it someone between 50 years
> old trash... But this guy was able to play the thing!)

Excellent point. It's not the instrument that makes the music, it's the
person who's playing the instrument.

John Trentes

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Nov 19, 2003, 10:07:45 AM11/19/03
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I second that motion. I have and '84 strat made in Japan, and it's
beautifully made.

JT

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Glennbo

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Nov 19, 2003, 10:09:52 AM11/19/03
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The entity known as Conrad Stolze, posted:

> My first guitar was an L6S. Had to put in on layway from 4 months
> just to scrape up the $600 for it in '76. Then it got ripped off in a
> club a few years later.
>
> Hey... yours wouldn't happen to be black with Carvin pickups - wired
> in stereo, would it? <g>

Nope. Mine is wine red, with the original Bill Lawrence PUPs, has a
natural maple neck, and the deluxe through the body string binding.
It's a fantastic playing/sounding guitar. I see 'em on the net
occasionally for $600-$800 for the one like mine. Guess I got my $100
worth on that deal. :)

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Glennbo

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Nov 19, 2003, 10:11:44 AM11/19/03
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The entity known as Cary Altschuler, posted:

> I have a bunch of cheap ass guitars as well. In fact lately, I've
> been collecting all those free guitars that Sam Ash gives away with
> other purchases. I got a Squire Bullet, made in Indoneisia. It
> actually sounds and plays pretty nicely ...and it was free. I also
> have a Levinson Blade, which is a Swiss design but made in Korea (paid
> for that one). It has a whammy bar, but I blocked it because every
> time I bent a string up the bridge would move and the other strings
> would go flat. Don't ever buy a guitar with a Wilkenson tremelo! Of
> course I have my token USA guitar a PRS singlecut gold top, but I
> rarely play it. I got a free Guitar Research bass with that one. I
> love cheapo guitars! I keep them on a stand not in a case and they're
> the first guitars I grab when I want to play or practice. I wish they
> had guitars like these when I was younger and couldn't afford the
> Gibsons and Fenders.

You should take a pic and post it somewhere.

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Glennbo

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Nov 19, 2003, 10:13:12 AM11/19/03
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The entity known as Glennbo, posted:

> Mine is wine red, with the original Bill Lawrence PUPs, has a
> natural maple neck, and the deluxe through the body string binding.

It's the one on the left. :)

http://www.soundclick.com/images/glennbo.JPG

John David Duke Jr

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Glennbo <vdrumsYourHe...@swbell.net> so articulated
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>
> Nope. Mine is wine red, with the original Bill Lawrence PUPs, has a
> natural maple neck, and the deluxe through the body string binding.
> It's a fantastic playing/sounding guitar. I see 'em on the net
> occasionally for $600-$800 for the one like mine. Guess I got my $100
> worth on that deal. :)
>

I just had me an LP style guitar built by a guy named Paschini, who Fed-
Ex'd it only last evening. He put some Bill Lawrence pups in it. I hear
all sorts of good things about them, so I'm anxious to hear how they
perform.

Can you believe that? Fed-Exing a guitar. What a world we live in!

Dave

Nil

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Nov 19, 2003, 10:36:17 AM11/19/03
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On 19 Nov 2003, Conrad Stolze <c...@pivotalview.com> wrote in
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> My first guitar was an L6S. Had to put in on layway from 4 months
> just to scrape up the $600 for it in '76. Then it got ripped off
> in a club a few years later.

I had one of those, too, in about the same timeframe! Never grew to
like it much, though - I found it to be muddy, lacking in sustain, and
I didn't like the rotary switch. Sold it after a year or so.

Nil

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On 19 Nov 2003, "Cary Altschuler" <lad...@yahoo.com> wrote in
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> I also have a Levinson Blade, which is a Swiss design but made in
> Korea (paid for that one). It has a whammy bar, but I blocked it
> because every time I bent a string up the bridge would move and
> the other strings would go flat. Don't ever buy a guitar with a
> Wilkenson tremelo!

I don't think that problem is intrinsic to the Wilkinson. I have one
of those on my Fender Strat, and it works really well.

There are some great cheap guitars these days. I have a Danelectro 12-
string, and it's plays good and sounds wonderful. I bought a Schecter
PT (made in Korea) that should be delivered today, and I'm expecting
good things.

Glennbo

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Nov 19, 2003, 11:12:04 AM11/19/03
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The entity known as Nil, posted:

>> My first guitar was an L6S. Had to put in on layway from 4 months
>> just to scrape up the $600 for it in '76. Then it got ripped off
>> in a club a few years later.
>
> I had one of those, too, in about the same timeframe! Never grew to
> like it much, though - I found it to be muddy, lacking in sustain, and
> I didn't like the rotary switch. Sold it after a year or so.

Mine doesn't have the rotary switch. It's got a standard 3-way switch.
Almost every guitar solo Joey Who??? plays on my songs is the L6S. Did
your's have a Les Paul type tailpiece? Mine has through the body string
binding, like a Telecaster. I get real good sustain out of it too. It's
like... just listen, Ahhhhhh. You could go have a bite an, Ahhhh, you'd
still be hearing that one. <g>

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Glennbo

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The entity known as John David Duke Jr, posted:

> I just had me an LP style guitar built by a guy named Paschini, who


> Fed- Ex'd it only last evening. He put some Bill Lawrence pups in it.
> I hear all sorts of good things about them, so I'm anxious to hear
> how they perform.
>
> Can you believe that? Fed-Exing a guitar. What a world we live in!

Bill Lawrence worked for Gibson, and designed the L6S and it's puckups.
Carlos Santana used one on all his early stuff.

Conrad Stolze

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Nil <redn...@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote in news:Xns94386BE0A643Cnilch1@
204.127.199.17:

>
> I had one of those, too, in about the same timeframe! Never grew to
> like it much, though - I found it to be muddy, lacking in sustain, and
> I didn't like the rotary switch. Sold it after a year or so.
>

Yup, That 6 position switch thing might have some use for studio work, but
was of very little value when trying to switch it live. I remember
thinking it would be cool to have a 24 fret neck... not sure I ever made my
way up that high, though <g>

Actually, once I changed out all the pickups and electronics, I liked my
L6S quite a bit. I'm not sure how it would get along with my current
tastes, but it fit my playing style at the time.

Conrad

Conrad Stolze

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Nov 19, 2003, 11:23:40 AM11/19/03
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Glennbo <vdrumsYourHe...@swbell.net> wrote in
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>
> Nope. Mine is wine red, with the original Bill Lawrence PUPs, has a
> natural maple neck, and the deluxe through the body string binding.
> It's a fantastic playing/sounding guitar. I see 'em on the net
> occasionally for $600-$800 for the one like mine. Guess I got my $100
> worth on that deal. :)
>

Just watch the glue on the neck. I was holding my L6 up by the neck one
night, and kicking the body (as I was prone to do at the end of the set
most nights), when - for reasons unbeknownst to me - the body just came
off. It was just hanging there by the strings attached at the bridge...

Luckily, a little more glue and all was well!

Man - don't they test for normal usage, anymore? Made in the USA -
whatever!

Conrad

Glennbo

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Nov 19, 2003, 11:28:53 AM11/19/03
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The entity known as Conrad Stolze, posted:

> Yup, That 6 position switch thing might have some use for studio work,


> but was of very little value when trying to switch it live. I
> remember thinking it would be cool to have a 24 fret neck... not sure
> I ever made my way up that high, though <g>

This one is fairly similar to mine. Three way LP style switch, and note
the binding on the strings. Through the body, and no tail piece.

http://www.digitalvideo.com/guitars/images/g_l6sd.jpg

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Glennbo

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Nov 19, 2003, 11:34:13 AM11/19/03
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> Just watch the glue on the neck. I was holding my L6 up by the neck one

> night, and kicking the body (as I was prone to do at the end of the set
> most nights), when - for reasons unbeknownst to me - the body just came
> off. It was just hanging there by the strings attached at the bridge...

Mine has a bolt on neck. There were several versions out there.

Conrad Stolze

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Nov 19, 2003, 11:41:24 AM11/19/03
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Glennbo <vdrumsYourHe...@swbell.net> wrote in
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> http://www.digitalvideo.com/guitars/images/g_l6sd.jpg

Mine had the tailpiece. I would have preferred the through the body
design. I've never seen an L6S without the rotary switch. I wonder if
yours (and this one) is more of a prototype model, or if there was simply
another design. Mine was a new model when I bought it in the fall of 76
(or so I thought).

Conrad

Conrad Stolze

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Glennbo <vdrumsYourHe...@swbell.net> wrote in
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> Mine has a bolt on neck. There were several versions out there.

Ah. Much better for the 'body-kicking' technique...

Conrad

Nil

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On 19 Nov 2003, Conrad Stolze <c...@pivotalview.com> wrote in
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> Yup, That 6 position switch thing might have some use for studio
> work, but was of very little value when trying to switch it live.
> I remember thinking it would be cool to have a 24 fret neck... not
> sure I ever made my way up that high, though <g>

Some of the 6 positions didn't even sound that good to me, so it was a
waste, besides being un-ergomic. I like the standard Gibson 3-way, and
I'm constantly switching it as I play.

I avoid 24-fret necks. I don't want to even be tempted to go up that
high - it's just not necessary! 22 is a good number. It's a nice even
number, so that makes it better than a 21er.

> Actually, once I changed out all the pickups and electronics, I
> liked my L6S quite a bit. I'm not sure how it would get along
> with my current tastes, but it fit my playing style at the time.

The L6-S was designed by Bill Lawrence, apparently, and he has a page
at his web site where he laments the compromises he had to make with
the body and electronics. It sounds like it would have been a better
guitar, or at least more to my liking, had they kept to his original
design.

I might have gotten around to changing the pickups, had I kept it. In
those days, I could only afford one or two guitars at a time, so if
they didn't work out for me, they were rotated right outta there.

Nil

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On 19 Nov 2003, Glennbo <vdrumsYourHe...@swbell.net> wrote
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> Mine doesn't have the rotary switch. It's got a standard 3-way
> switch. Almost every guitar solo Joey Who??? plays on my songs is
> the L6S. Did your's have a Les Paul type tailpiece? Mine has
> through the body string binding, like a Telecaster.

Yeah, mine had the adjustable bridge and tailpiece, similar to a Les
Paul. Mine looked like this one:

http://www.guitarhangar.com/guitars/images/L6S.JPG

I think yours is one for a few years later, when they made some
cost-cutting changes to the design... and it looks like the changes
made it more like something I'd like!

> I get real good sustain out of it too. It's like... just listen,
> Ahhhhhh. You could go have a bite an, Ahhhh, you'd still be
> hearing that one. <g>

May I point at it?

Glennbo

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Nov 19, 2003, 11:55:42 AM11/19/03
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The entity known as Conrad Stolze, posted:

>> http://www.digitalvideo.com/guitars/images/g_l6sd.jpg


>
> Mine had the tailpiece. I would have preferred the through the body
> design. I've never seen an L6S without the rotary switch. I wonder
> if yours (and this one) is more of a prototype model, or if there was
> simply another design. Mine was a new model when I bought it in the
> fall of 76 (or so I thought).

I think they classify it as an L6S Deluxe. It was also known as the
"Midnight Special". I always thought it was Gibsons try at a Fender style
guitar. Mine has a four screw bolt on blond natural maple neck too, which
is definately not a very common thing on Gibson guitars. The pickups are
nickel plated humbuckers with no screws (completely enclosed), and the
through the body string binding (at least I think) helps the sustain.

Glennbo

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Nov 19, 2003, 11:57:00 AM11/19/03
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The entity known as Conrad Stolze, posted:

>> Mine has a bolt on neck. There were several versions out there.


>
> Ah. Much better for the 'body-kicking' technique...

Hehe, I haven't tried that, but I have a solid body electriv violin, I was
thinking of using as a bow on it, ala Nigel style. ;)

Glennbo

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Nov 19, 2003, 12:00:50 PM11/19/03
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The entity known as Nil, posted:

> Yeah, mine had the adjustable bridge and tailpiece, similar to a Les


> Paul. Mine looked like this one:
>
> http://www.guitarhangar.com/guitars/images/L6S.JPG

Those seem to be the more common ones. They must have built more of them
like that.

> I think yours is one for a few years later, when they made some
> cost-cutting changes to the design... and it looks like the changes
> made it more like something I'd like!

Mine is a 1975 model. I looked it up in the Gibson serial number site
online.



>> I get real good sustain out of it too. It's like... just listen,
>> Ahhhhhh. You could go have a bite an, Ahhhh, you'd still be
>> hearing that one. <g>
>
> May I point at it?

No, you've seen enough of that one. ;)

TR

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I believe ESP's were originaly made in New York city, before they sold
the company. I have a ESP Mirage Deluxe that I bought new in 1989, it
has New York, NY. stamped on the neck plate.

tom


On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 21:42:43 -0700, "Gordon Gecko"
<Gordon...@Raspberry.TECH.ORG> wrote:

>It's all Samick anyways. All the Korean shizz. Samick is Ibanez. No ESP
>guitars were ever made in USA either.
>
>Amazing. Regardless, I am still a complete and total guitar snob and wont
>own any non usa made instrument. It's a pride thing. But for 12 year old
>kids or really cheap bastards, why not spend $99 on a guitar, right? =)
>
>
>> The intonation on my OLP bass was dead on, right out of the box. My
>> Gretsch 4 string was *way* off, and I spent a couple hours getting it
>> set right. My experience with OLP stuff has been that they seem to be
>> of higher quality and craftsmanship than the other low line products
>> from companies like Fender and Gibson. IOW, there is a real noticable
>> difference in the feel (to me anyway) between a real Strat and a Squire
>> Strat, or a real Les Paul and an Epiphone Les Paul, but the difference
>> between a real Musicman and the OLP product is not as big. I had a dood
>> over here in my studio two weeks ago who brought his *real* 4 string
>> Musicman Stingray bass. Before he got it out of the case, my bud Joey
>> Who??? said, "check out Glennbo's bass". He played it for about a
>> minute, and asked, "do you mind if I use this bass on the track, I'm
>> really liking this low B and it plays pretty much just like my MM
>> bass?" So we used the $250 China bass instead of his $1200 MM bass.
>>
>> I'm hoping this guitar will be as well made as my bass is. Whatever I
>> get, it's only costing me $109 so I can't go too wrong. :)
>>
>

This Is My New Alias

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> > I look forward to hearing your and Joey Who????'s wammy work.
>
> I should get it by Friday. I Googled up some posts from others who bought
> the "B" stock of this guitar, and they were all positive reviews. :)

Then I'll be having some high expectations!

--
Peter Raffensperger
www.peter.raffensperger.org


This Is My New Alias

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> I avoid 24-fret necks. I don't want to even be tempted to go up that
> high - it's just not necessary! 22 is a good number. It's a nice even
> number, so that makes it better than a 21er.

But with 24 frets you get a round number of octaves range of the guitar
(Without harmonics). I find that having played a 24 fret electric for a
while, that it's nice to be able to go just that little extra bit higher.
Plus, you get an extra place to check the intonation (as if that
mattered...).

--
Peter Raffensperger
www.peter.raffensperger.org

Glennbo

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Nov 19, 2003, 5:13:39 PM11/19/03
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The entity known as This Is My New Alias, posted:

>> I avoid 24-fret necks. I don't want to even be tempted to go up that

I like guitars with moveable frets, so I can change the raga. <g>

ModBod

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On 18-Nov-2003, Glennbo <vdrumsYourHe...@swbell.net> grabbed their box
of multicolored crayolas and wrote:

> Cheep bastard, yeah that's me! ;)
>
> Hehe, I'm just a drummer, with more guitars and basses than most of the
> guitarists and bassists I know. Nobody ever brings an axe over here to
> record either. They all seem to like my array of cheepo geetarz. <g>

I want a cheepo guitar that sounds like a Gretch. And one that sounds like a
Ric 12 string and one that sounds like a Liverpool 6 string.

And I want a fifteen string bass. For weekends when I don't have anything to do
but change strings and tune.

--
Mod Bod

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Cary Altschuler

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Nov 19, 2003, 8:40:53 PM11/19/03
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>I don't think that problem is intrinsic to the Wilkinson. I have one
> of those on my Fender Strat, and it works really well

Wow, I tried adding all 5 springs to the thing and couldn't get it to stay
steady. I would love to see one which is properly set up so I could
duplicate it. It came from the factory like this so I had to disable it.
Hope you like the Schecter, I've been looking at the PT series as well.

Cary

"Nil" <redn...@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote in message
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Ricky W. Hunt

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Nov 19, 2003, 10:51:27 PM11/19/03
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"ModBod" <modbodPLANK...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:EwUub.14413$KI4...@twister.tampabay.rr.com...

>
>
> I want a cheepo guitar that sounds like a Gretch. And one that sounds
like a
> Ric 12 string and one that sounds like a Liverpool 6 string.
>
> And I want a fifteen string bass. For weekends when I don't have anything
to do
> but change strings and tune.
>

I was thinking this very afternoon about how many guitars one needs to be
"ready" for anything. Here's my short list:

Acoustic - tuned regular
Acoustic - tuned open
Acoustic - 12 string
Acoustic - Nashville Strung (high strung)
Telecaster (a second Tele strung "Keith Richards" style would be a plus)
Strat
Les Paul
Second Les Paul set with high action for slide playing

I was hoping a Variax was going to kill a couple of these birds with one
stone but I wasn't very impressed.


Roger G. Windsor

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The Variax works for me.

After A/B-ing with the Variax, I sold my Les Paul . . . I couldn't hear a
difference. I kept my Fender Jazzmaster as a back-up guitar.


Roger Windsor

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Glennbo

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The entity known as Benjamin Z. Berman, posted:

>> I was hoping a Variax was going to kill a couple of these birds with
>> one stone but I wasn't very impressed.
>>
>

> Ricky,
> I'm curious about these, and haven't been able to get out to try one
> yet. What didn't you like? The sounds? The axe itself?

I've heard some demos of the sounds, and they sounded quite good in the
demo.

Nil

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Nov 20, 2003, 1:30:45 PM11/20/03
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On 19 Nov 2003, "Cary Altschuler" <lad...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:FYUub.91099$Ll5....@twister.socal.rr.com:

> Wow, I tried adding all 5 springs to the thing and couldn't get it
> to stay steady. I would love to see one which is properly set up
> so I could duplicate it.

In my case, I bought it to replace the American Standard bridge in
my Strat Plus. The old one was worn out where the knife-edge pivots
on the two screws. Thw Wilkinsen was a simple drop in, which was the
main reason I bought it. I never really had to adjust it much, just
reattach the springs, adjust the saddles, that's all. I think I'm
using 3 springs (I forget, and the guitar is in it's case in the
closet - I haven't been playing it much lately.)

This guitar has a roller nut, which helps it stay in tune after
using the whammy. If everything is clean and lubricated, I can get
pretty aggressive with it (but I rarely do) and it stays mostly in
tune.

> Hope you like the Schecter, I've been looking at the PT series as
> well.

I got it yesterday, and I like it. It doesn't feel like a $1000 guitar,
but for $300, it's good. I like the neck - somewhat flat, big freat,
medium beefy profile. I like the brige pickup quite a bit, but I think
I don't like the neck one. The coil splitter doesn't make as big a
difference as I though it would, but it's a nice thing to have. I need
to spend some time adjusting the neck relief and bridge saddles to get
a bit of buzz out, but I think it will clean up nicely. Here's a
picture of it:

http://www.channel1.com/users/lsprague/Schecter_PT.jpg

Glennbo

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Nov 20, 2003, 1:32:58 PM11/20/03
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The entity known as Benjamin Z. Berman, posted:

> To me as well, which is why I was wondering what Ricky didna like 8-)
> I suspect it may be the axe itself, but until I get my butt down to
> the local shop I won't know.
>
> Have you tried one yet?

I saw them at GC, but was afraid to try one. I don't want to know if I
want one, cuz I ain't got the money to buy one. ;)

Glennbo

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Nov 20, 2003, 1:36:03 PM11/20/03
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The entity known as Glennbo, posted:

> I noticed Musician's Friend has a few refurbished OLP MM4 guitars

Oh! I got it already! So far, I can't even find a dent or ding on it,
and it tuned up and played great right out of the box. It's even holding
a tune with the whammy pretty good, even with having brand new
un-stretched strings.

Here's zee pitcher of it. http://home.swbell.net/glennbo2/Geetar.jpg

Nil

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Nov 20, 2003, 1:49:16 PM11/20/03
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On 20 Nov 2003, Glennbo <vdrumsYourHe...@swbell.net> wrote
in news:Xns9439802D0DDCBBr...@151.164.30.94:

> Oh! I got it already! So far, I can't even find a dent or ding
> on it, and it tuned up and played great right out of the box.
> It's even holding a tune with the whammy pretty good, even with
> having brand new un-stretched strings.
>
> Here's zee pitcher of it.
> http://home.swbell.net/glennbo2/Geetar.jpg

A friend of my has a real Musicman Silhouette Special, and it's an
incredibly sweet guitar. I've told him if he ever sells it, I must get
first dibbs on it. If your OLP is anything like it, you got a great
deal.

Glennbo

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Nov 20, 2003, 1:54:04 PM11/20/03
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The entity known as Nil, posted:

> I got it yesterday, and I like it. It doesn't feel like a $1000 guitar,

> but for $300, it's good. I like the neck - somewhat flat, big freat,
> medium beefy profile. I like the brige pickup quite a bit, but I think
> I don't like the neck one. The coil splitter doesn't make as big a
> difference as I though it would, but it's a nice thing to have. I need
> to spend some time adjusting the neck relief and bridge saddles to get
> a bit of buzz out, but I think it will clean up nicely. Here's a
> picture of it:
>
> http://www.channel1.com/users/lsprague/Schecter_PT.jpg

Wow, that's nice. Three bills you say, that's quite reasonable.

Glennbo

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Nov 20, 2003, 2:07:41 PM11/20/03
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The entity known as Nil, posted:

>> Oh! I got it already! So far, I can't even find a dent or ding


>> on it, and it tuned up and played great right out of the box.
>> It's even holding a tune with the whammy pretty good, even with
>> having brand new un-stretched strings.
>>
>> Here's zee pitcher of it.
>> http://home.swbell.net/glennbo2/Geetar.jpg
>
> A friend of my has a real Musicman Silhouette Special, and it's an
> incredibly sweet guitar. I've told him if he ever sells it, I must get
> first dibbs on it. If your OLP is anything like it, you got a great
> deal.

For $109, I'm way tweaked with the bang per buck factor. This is the first
axe I've had with single coil pups and I can tell already I'm going to like
the wider variety of tone I can get.

John David Duke Jr

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Nov 20, 2003, 2:15:23 PM11/20/03
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Glennbo <vdrumsYourHe...@swbell.net> so articulated
news:Xns9439802D0DDCBBr...@151.164.30.94:

> The entity known as Glennbo, posted:
>
>> I noticed Musician's Friend has a few refurbished OLP MM4 guitars
>
>
> Oh! I got it already! So far, I can't even find a dent or ding on
> it, and it tuned up and played great right out of the box. It's even
> holding a tune with the whammy pretty good, even with having brand new
> un-stretched strings.
>
> Here's zee pitcher of it. http://home.swbell.net/glennbo2/Geetar.jpg
>

I'm glad you threw on a shirt for the pic.

;)

Dave

Glennbo

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Nov 20, 2003, 2:31:43 PM11/20/03
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The entity known as John David Duke Jr, posted:

>> Here's zee pitcher of it. http://home.swbell.net/glennbo2/Geetar.jpg

> I'm glad you threw on a shirt for the pic.

LOL

Ric Dexter

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Nov 20, 2003, 3:56:11 PM11/20/03
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> Acoustic - tuned regular
> Acoustic - tuned open
> Acoustic - 12 string
> Acoustic - Nashville Strung (high strung)
> Telecaster (a second Tele strung "Keith Richards" style would be a plus)
> Strat
> Les Paul
> Second Les Paul set with high action for slide playing

I needed the Ric 12 string. Found one on ebay...


Glennbo

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Nov 20, 2003, 4:04:29 PM11/20/03
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The entity known as Ric Dexter, posted:

Which one did you get? I don't have an acoustic 12, but I got one of those
Dean Boca 12 string semi-hollow electrics.

Ricky W. Hunt

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"Benjamin Z. Berman" <n...@thanks.com> wrote in message
news:Xns943919E6FCD2...@167.206.3.3...

> "Ricky W. Hunt" <ricky...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:3TWub.249828$HS4.2217778@attbi_s01:

>
> > I was hoping a Variax was going to kill a couple of these birds with one
> > stone but I wasn't very impressed.
> >
>
> Ricky,
> I'm curious about these, and haven't been able to get out to try one yet.
> What didn't you like? The sounds? The axe itself?
>

The sounds were OK. Probably near 85% of sounding like an "average" of that
guitar. Meaning the Les Paul sound was sounded about 85% like an "average"
Les Paul, if that makes sense. The acoustic was really cool. Of course it
sounded like a DI acoustic, but great nonetheless. The resonators were also
extremely cool. The sound was really pretty impressive. The playability was
awful (and I've tried them at two different stores so I'm pretty sure it's
the guitar). It played like about a $300 guitar (if that). Of course even if
they get the sound right a Les Paul plays nothing like a Tele which plays
nothing like a....etc. They should license the technology to the guitar
makers if they want to get it right.


Nil

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Nov 20, 2003, 9:26:14 PM11/20/03
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On 20 Nov 2003, Glennbo <vdrumsYourHe...@swbell.net> wrote
in news:Xns9439CAF671F05Br...@151.164.30.42:

> The only thing at all I don't like about it is that the wham bar
> has a bend up at the end, which makes it kinda high, but I'm
> assuming the threads are standard, so I'm gonna buy a Strat bar
> and stick it on it.

You could probably put the bar in a clamp an bend it to whatever shape
suits you. I've done that before (I like a bit them straighter, too.)

Pat Farrell

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Nov 20, 2003, 9:54:55 PM11/20/03
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 04:01:28 GMT, Glennbo
<vdrumsYourHe...@swbell.net> wrote:
>couldn't go wrong for the price. Now I have to sell my Gretsch 4 string
>Electromatic bass to make room on the 5 slot guitar rack. <g>

You know, for a dumb drummer (TM)
you sure look a lot like a guitarist.
Rather than selling one, ever think about getting
a bigger rack?


Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/prc/

Nil

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Nov 21, 2003, 12:30:51 AM11/21/03
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On 20 Nov 2003, Glennbo <vdrumsYourHe...@swbell.net> wrote
in news:Xns9439D17B144C2Br...@151.164.30.42:

> Joey suggested trying that as well. I figured I'd break it, but
> WTH, if I do break it, I can just buy the Stra one. I think I'll
> try it tommorrow. What do you suggest, clamp it in a vise, and
> try bending it with some Vise-Grips covered with a towel or
> something to keep from gnawing it up?

Zackly. Don't hit it with a hammer or anything, they're somewhat
brittle and could snap. Just clamp it near one side of the bend and
apply the pliers or vice grip near the other side. Should be OK, but
should anything go wrong, the remedy is cheap (assuming a standard
Strat one will fit, which I'm sure it probably will[*]).


[*] famous last words


JDDJ

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Nov 21, 2003, 8:26:55 AM11/21/03
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Glennbo <vdrumsYourHe...@swbell.net> so articulated
news:Xns9439F104E47A3Br...@151.164.30.92:

Add heat, but not too much. I'm assuming you have a propane or butane
torch or something like that. Every good musician should have one.

Dave

Glennbo

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Nov 21, 2003, 9:46:47 AM11/21/03
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The entity known as sam booka, posted:

>
>> http://www.agt.net/public/didgit/1strat.jpg
>
> I can't even get that right! Too much karaoke! <g>
>
> http://www.agt.net/public/digit/1strato.htm

Slick!

Hehe, third try is the charm. I was almost going to tell you that your
picture was 404 compliant, but with this threaded newsreader, I could see
you had posted followups to yourself, and figured you had corrected it. ;)

Glennbo

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Nov 21, 2003, 9:49:03 AM11/21/03
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The entity known as JDDJ, posted:

> Add heat, but not too much. I'm assuming you have a propane or butane
> torch or something like that. Every good musician should have one.

I'm going to hit the GC down the street and buy a cheep flatter one, and
if it's still not flat enough, try modifying the original one. Then I'll
already have a spare if I screw it up. :)

Glennbo

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Nov 21, 2003, 9:51:48 AM11/21/03
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The entity known as mindseye, posted:

>> Hmmnnnn. I do still like the little short scale bass. It has a real
>> 60s sound to it, that I think of as the "blubber bass" sound. :)
>
> Definitely keep that 'tubby' bass....it is very cool for some stuff, and
> is very recognisable.

I don't have anyone dying to buy it, and I don't really need the money, so
that's probably what's going to happen. I did use it not too long ago on a
song, just because the blubbery sound fit.

>> I don't see a 6 guitar rack, but they have this *seven* guitar one.
>>
>> That'd give a great excuse to buy another guitar. <G>
>
> Well there you go. ;)

Now to sneak that past my wife. ;)

JDDJ

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Nov 21, 2003, 10:36:16 AM11/21/03
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Glennbo <vdrumsYourHe...@swbell.net> so articulated
news:Xns943A5A29B517BBr...@151.164.30.93:

>
> I don't have anyone dying to buy it, and I don't really need the
> money,

You must not be a "real" musician then. ;)

Glennbo

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Nov 21, 2003, 10:40:47 AM11/21/03
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The entity known as JDDJ, posted:

>> I don't have anyone dying to buy it, and I don't really need the


>> money,

> You must not be a "real" musician then. ;)

LOL!

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