New-Free Great Midi plugins

[Max Arwood]

This is a Cakewalk guy the just loves programming.
The CSMultiCompander is phenomenal!! I have been wanting on of these for
years! Midi Compressor/Expander and much more. Sometimes it is hard to get
the right piano tone/velocity set. This is the perfect plugin for this.
Oh yes I forgot - its free. But should be for sale. I know this can all be
done without a plugin(Select all notes increase velocity etc.), but when you
try this you will see why you need it!
https://viramor.com/

Max Arwood

[Max Arwood]

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Looks interesting, but won't work for me with REAPER. If I need to alter
midi velocities from the way they were originally played, I always just do
a select all notes, then drag the velocity tails up/down while the track is
playing until I like the way it sits in the mix.
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Yes I do that too! But not any more. I drag the slider in Compander same but
easier.


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You can drag them up and down (with compander), but you can also Compress
Midi! Also it has a Limiter, it has a Minimum as well.
Try it you will like it.
Max Arwood

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> This is a Cakewalk guy the just loves programming.
> The CSMultiCompander is phenomenal!! I have been wanting on of these
> for years! Midi Compressor/Expander and much more. Sometimes it is
> hard to get the right piano tone/velocity set. This is the perfect
> plugin for this. Oh yes I forgot - its free. But should be for sale. I
> know this can all be done without a plugin(Select all notes increase
> velocity etc.), but when you try this you will see why you need it!
> https://viramor.com/

Looks interesting, but won't work for me with REAPER. If I need to alter
midi velocities from the way they were originally played, I always just do
a select all notes, then drag the velocity tails up/down while the track is
playing until I like the way it sits in the mix.
++++++++
Yes I do that too! But not any more. I drag the slider in Compander same but
easier.
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There was a cakewalk plug back in Sonar 2 I think that did something like
this. It was good for scaling velocities and I used it quite a bit at one
time.
Have to check er out. Thanks Max!

Poly

[polymod]

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<snip>!

>Unless CSMultiCompander is a JS MIDI plug-in, it won't work in REAPER. It
>would work in your copy of Sonar,

Got it.

>but if you needed anything like that in REAPER, look in the JS plugins and
>search for midi. There are a bunch that
>can intercept the midi data stream and modify it before it gets to a synth.

Yes, I've used and tried them all, but none of them had the simplicity and
interface of that old Cakewalk plug.

>I use the JS midi damper kick that lets me use my midi keyboard's damper
>pedal as a bass drum pedal for playing keyboard or tabletop pad drums.

As well as me!!! You turned me on to that plug some time ago. I have it
inserted in my drum templates, set to disabled, but there in case I want to
do some foot stompin!

Poly

[Max Arwood]

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> There was a cakewalk plug back in Sonar 2 I think that did something
> like this. It was good for scaling velocities and I used it quite a
> bit at one time.
> Have to check er out. Thanks Max!

Unless CSMultiCompander is a JS MIDI plug-in, it won't work in REAPER. It

would work in your copy of Sonar, but if you needed anything like that in

REAPER, look in the JS plugins and search for midi. There are a bunch that
can intercept the midi data stream and modify it before it gets to a synth.

I use the JS midi damper kick that lets me use my midi keyboard's damper
pedal as a bass drum pedal for playing keyboard or tabletop pad drums.

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I just figured Reaper could handle a VST midi plugin.
I did see all those JS plugins. That's Java Script right?
Or is it something different?
Max Arwood

[polymod]

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I just figured Reaper could handle a VST midi plugin.
I did see all those JS plugins. That's Java Script right?
Or is it something different?

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Depending on your version or Reaper (32/64 bit) Reaper should be able to
find any VSTs. I'll have to check this out at some point with that Cake
plug. There's only a few Cake plugs that Reaper recognizes in my setup.

There's two suppliers of plugins Reaper.
Cockos, which have been developed by the Reaper team, and JS (Jesusonic)
which are supplied by third party programmers.

All the plugs in Reaper are as good if not better than the major market
plugs.

Poly

[polymod]

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>>but if you needed anything like that in REAPER, look in the JS plugins
>>and search for midi. There are a bunch that
>>can intercept the midi data stream and modify it before it gets to a
>>synth.
>
> Yes, I've used and tried them all, but none of them had the simplicity
> and interface of that old Cakewalk plug.

I just looked, and the one I was primarily thinking of is the JS midi
velocity scaler/compressor by Stillwell. I've never used it myself, but it
is there, and in a quick test it did appear to be altering velocity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Yes, that's the one that does a relatively close job to that old plug.
I have to actually go back and see what the heck that plug was....if I can
still find it!

Poly

[polymod]

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>> I just figured Reaper could handle a VST midi plugin.
>> I did see all those JS plugins. That's Java Script right?
>> Or is it something different?
>

> REAPER can deal with any normal VST or VSTi but Cakewalk's midi
> plugins are classified as "MFX" plugins, which are a different thing.
> I tried dropping the .dll file into my VSTPlugins folder both in
> Windows and in WINE for Linux, and in both cases, REAPER did not see
> any new VST plugins.

Additional info about MFX plugins. MFX is part of the DirectX spec, and
evidently Cakewalk was the only DAW to support it. It looks like it might
be possible to wrap an MFX plugin and make it appear as a VST.

I think some of this stems from the way Sonar has dedicated midi tracks
that are different than the dedicated audio tracks. I remember trying to
get KTDrumTrigger, which is a VST to work in Sonar and never could do it,
because that plugin is both an audio and a midi plugin, and Cakewalk's
wall of separation between audio and midi made it impossible to work.

https://www.kvraudio.com/product/ktdrumtrigger_by_smart_electronix

What KTDrumTrigger does is listen to audio, and in three dofferent
frequency bands, sends out midi notes when a threshold is crossed. It
might finally be possible to use a plugin like this in Sonar, but at
Sonar 5 it was not due to the differenciation of audio and midi.
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Which is why Reaper rocks. It does what YOU tell it to do.
:-)

Poly

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The native plug "ReaGate" can transmit a midi note when the gate opens, and
it has LP/HP filtering for the detection, so with three of those you could
do what that KTDrumTrigger plug does, and even add more bands to trigger
from if you want.

I used ReaGate once to make my bass guitar play midi drum notes to
Superior. Thump a low note on the bass and a kick plays with it. Snap a
high note and a snare plays with it. Medium notes played toms. It was
pretty crazy like "WOW, those guys are TIGHT". <G>
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How cool!!!!!

Poly

[polymod]

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I could see using it to tame a part that was played a little too
aggressive. Or I guess you could do the opposite too.
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Absolutely.

Poly

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>Here ya go. Some sloppy jamming on bass triggering Superior kick, snare,
>and hihats. If I really tried, I could make it track better, but I was just
>jamming and letting the three instances of ReaGate send out midi notes to
>Superior based on the frequency of the bass note being hit.

>https://www.soundclick.com/music/songInfo.cfm?songID=14022135

Cool!

Reminds me of what I used to do with the old Roland pitch correction that
came with Sonar.
I think I took one of your drum tests and converted the midi to audio and
made a crazy tune out of it.

Poly

[polymod]

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> I just figured Reaper could handle a VST midi plugin.
> I did see all those JS plugins. That's Java Script right?
> Or is it something different?

Coincidentally, someone posted a link to this CableGuys "Midi Shaper"
plugin this morning over in the REAPER forum. I haven't tried it yet
myself, but some of the stuff they do in this demo looks pretty cool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qs7Q8X2Ms8

Might be interesting to see what it does in Sonar. It's a VSTi so it
looks like a synth to a DAW, but it intercepts midi, modifies it, and
sends it back out again. http://www.cableguys.com/midishaper.html
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Thanks bro..I'm checking it out right now!

Poly

[polymod]

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<Snip>
In reality, the real use for the ability of ReaGate to transmit midi notes
when the threshold is crossed for a frequency range is drum replacement.
I have NOT tried it, but with drums you could pretty easily replace crappy
sounding acoustic drums with pristine sampled ones.
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Exactly the reason why software like Addictive Trigger, Steven Slate Trigger
and Drumagog exists!
ReGate is a ton cheaper - as long as you have the right samples for
replacement.

Poly

[polymod]

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> <Snip>
> In reality, the real use for the ability of ReaGate to transmit midi
> notes when the threshold is crossed for a frequency range is drum
> replacement. I have NOT tried it, but with drums you could pretty
> easily replace crappy sounding acoustic drums with pristine sampled
> ones.
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>
> Exactly the reason why software like Addictive Trigger, Steven Slate
> Trigger and Drumagog exists!
> ReGate is a ton cheaper - as long as you have the right samples for
> replacement.

I've got the right samples, but so far have never needed to replace any
drums after the fact. :-)
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Dat's cause you gots the REAL thang!

:-)
Poly

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> "Glennbo" wrote in message
> news:XnsAB9ABC903BA58Br...@144.76.35.198...
>
> In news:r6nktm$3dt$1...@dont-email.me the killer robot "polymod"
> <pol...@optonline.net> grabbed the controls of the spaceship
> cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons...
>
>> <Snip>
>> In reality, the real use for the ability of ReaGate to transmit midi
>> notes when the threshold is crossed for a frequency range is drum
>> replacement. I have NOT tried it, but with drums you could pretty
>> easily replace crappy sounding acoustic drums with pristine sampled
>> ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>> Exactly the reason why software like Addictive Trigger, Steven Slate
>> Trigger and Drumagog exists!
>> ReGate is a ton cheaper - as long as you have the right samples for
>> replacement.
>
> I've got the right samples, but so far have never needed to replace any
> drums after the fact. :-)
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>
> Dat's cause you gots the REAL thang!
>
>:-)

Troo dat, but it is possible that an input channel could have too much gain
and a drum (say the kick drum) sounds distorted. That would be a valid case
for replacing.

Before I got my eight input Behringer UMC1820, I used an old school mixer
and had to set trims and volume faders each time I recorded. At least a
couple times I ended up with kick drum tracks that had nasty digital pops
several times through playback on louder kick hits. I hand cloned kick hits
that weren't distorted and replaced the bad ones manually, but if it had
been all through the track, rather than only a few times, that would be a
time I would have seriously considered automated drum replacement.

Now that I have dedicated inputs for kick, snare, Etc., the trims are set
and never dicked with again, so I've never had that cracking problem again.
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Wow...that was a lot of shit to go through for a drum track!

Poly

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With a stereo mixer and stereo audio card, it was necessary to dial mixes
for any instrument. Only want the guitar mic when recording guitar, so all
other faders have to come down. Doing drums, four other faders had to come
up, with all the other ones down.

With an 8 input sound device, I leave everything plugged in and trimmed,
and then just tell REAPER which of the 8 inputs to get a signal from.
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Nice! I take for granted the ease of recording and think that everyone works
the same way, but in reality everyone's needs is very different when it
comes to recording!

Poly

[polymod]

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<pol...@optonline.net> grabbed the controls of the spaceship
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>> Wow...that was a lot of shit to go through for a drum track!
>
> With a stereo mixer and stereo audio card, it was necessary to dial
> mixes for any instrument. Only want the guitar mic when recording
> guitar, so all other faders have to come down. Doing drums, four other
> faders had to come up, with all the other ones down.
>
> With an 8 input sound device, I leave everything plugged in and
> trimmed, and then just tell REAPER which of the 8 inputs to get a
> signal from.
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>
> Nice! I take for granted the ease of recording and think that everyone
> works the same way, but in reality everyone's needs is very different
> when it comes to recording!

It works so well having REAPER control the inputs, that I want more
inputs!

I keep looking at the Behringer ADA8200 which would give me another
eight Midas mic preamps for a total of 16 mic/line inputs to REAPER and
18 line outs. I'm using line outputs 3/4 for a headphone distribution amp
and line outputs 1/2 go to the monitors. I have toyed with the idea of
using line output 5 to go to my guitar amp so I could send anything from
REAPER to my guitar amp and FX rig, and pipe it back into REAPER with the
mic that is already on my guitar speaker cabinet in the closet. Re-Amping.

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ADA8200--behringer-ada8200-microphone-preamp
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Yes.
My feeling is if it streamlines the process go for it. Having things all set
up so minimal work is being done before the recording process is crucial.
Plus, you'll be helping out the economy :-)

Poly

[polymod]

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If I buy one and double my inputs it will stimulate the economy over and
over because then, I'd need more mics, more mic stands, more cabling, Etc.

I can't buy all that in one shot so it becomes trickle down economics,
where I buy more shit every month until I'm outta inputs again. ;)
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LOL! There ya go!

Poly

[polymod]

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<snip>

> Yes, that's the one that does a relatively close job to that old plug.
> I have to actually go back and see what the heck that plug was....if I
> can still find it!

After searching I finally found it!
It really was a great plugin. One of the best Cake midi plugs IMHO.
http://sonicmusic.net/CakewalkVelocity.JPG

Poly

[polymod]

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> Looks interesting. I never had that one so it must have been added
> after Sonar 5. There's a discussion going on in the REAPER forum where
> someone wanted to convert guitar to midi, and evidently you can do it
> with ReaTune.
>
> Don't know how well this works, but it has certainly piqued my
> interest. Might be cool to have a synth automatically double a guitar
> solo.
>
> https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=234337

Holy crap I just tried it with a solo guitar sound live with a church pipe
organ tracking along with what I played. You gotta play exceptionally clean
or you get stuttery note, but once I locked in, I was playing stuff and it
was tracking way better than I expected.

You just setup a guitar track, put ReaTune on it and tick the box for midi,
then put some synth after it in the chain. I had no other FX setup in
REAPER for this test so it was just ReaTune followed by a SFZ with a pipe
organ sample in the FX bin.
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Wow!! Thanks for the tip mon!!! I'm going to create a template for that
immediately!

Oh, I was using Sonar 7 in regards to the Cakewalk Volume plug.

Poly

[Max Arwood]

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¥++++++++++++++++++++++
I have 2 extra expansion boxes. one is a focusrite 8c w/Adat and light pipe,
the other is a presonus 8c. I have used both of them for remote recording. I
have a laptop Lela to run them through. they have 8 in-xlr out light pipe
and Adat! I have it used them as much as I thought I would.
They both are great. never had any problems. I was looking at some behringer
cards they look good. Haven’t decided to get one yet.
Max Arwood

[Max Arwood]

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Yes I have used that plug many times. I am moving to the newer one on most
projects.

Max Arwood

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>So I'm guessing that the Cake plug is an MFX that will only work in Sonar.

It's a dll but Reaper doesn't see it. I can see it (and the other cakewalk
fx) go by when Reaper scans, but it still won't show up. Even if I clear the
cache and rescan. nadda.

>BTW there was a thread on the REAPER forum about zero latency soft
>clippers, and someone mentioned GVST Gclip as being quite good.
>I had the GVST plugins in Windows but never really gave them an honest try.
>Here's a link to the Windows vesrions if you don't already have 'em.
>https://www.gvst.co.uk/packages.htm
>Besides the soft clipper, which is indeed quite nice, a couple others stood
>out to my eares. There is a "Duck Delay" that ducks the delay and fades it
>up from levels you set. On guitar as you can have heavy regeneration that
>doesn't step on what you are playing, and swells up when you stop.
>The other one that instantly caught my ears was a reverse delay that
>records and flips what's being played at whatever rate you set.

Wow! Great stuff man. Just snagged them.
Thanks!

Poly