Sonitus/Ultrafunk
Ricky Hunt
part of/bought by Cakewalk). The last version I got from them was R3
(revision 3?). This was way before you could use VST natively in Sonar so I
used DirectiXer (Ultrafunk came with both DX and VST versions but I used the
wrapped VST version since there advantages, all of which I can't remember
now but possibly automation and maybe even delay compensation). So that's
what I'd always used and of course is what is on all of my old projects.
Since I just did a clean install and am having to reinstall all the plugins
I decided to just use the Sonitus (Ultrafunk) DX plugins that came with
Sonar 7. Two problems. The old projects don't recognize the new plugins
since the CSLIDS are different. It wouldn't even made any difference if I'd
used the DX versions of the original Ultrafunk I don't believe. I wonder if
there's a workaround to where I could search/replace the registry the
original CSLIDS with the new ones? That would be better than nothing (but
I'd have to remember to do that each reinstall). What I had been doing with
other plugins was just instead of wrapping the VST's of all the other
plugins (non-Ultrafunk) just putting them in Sonar's VST folder to being
with, bring up the project, export the program from the old wrapped plugin,
add that same plugin that's in Sonar's VST folder and import the program,
then delete the old wrapped plugin from the project. The problem is I did an
A/B between the wrapped Ultrafunk plugins I bought (and are in my old
projects) and the new plugins that came with Sonar and they're not the same.
A small bit is the volume but that still leaves quite a bit of other stuff.
Some sounds like timing since on the compression plugin you can hear the
transient is louder when I A/B them by playing the same track through them
both and putting one out of phase. It's not a blaring difference but
different enough to worry me. I don't know if it's the attack's are treated
differently in the two plugins, is the delay compensation different? I can
test these things out but it will be a pain and a whole lot of work. Luckily
I don't have a huge amount of plugins but enough for it be a big headache.
I'll probably be stuck with wrapping the old Ultrafunks and using them in
existing projects and using the news ones from now on out and just swapping
the non-Ultrafunk plugins like I said about (by exporting then importing the
program). I just like everything to be as simple and uncluttered as
possible. Any ideas (other than taking meds for OCD?).
Thanks,
Ricky
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>> I'll probably be stuck with wrapping the old Ultrafunks and using them
>> in existing projects and using the news ones from now on out and just
>> swapping the non-Ultrafunk plugins like I said about (by exporting
>> then importing the program). I just like everything to be as simple
>> and uncluttered as possible. Any ideas (other than taking meds for
>> OCD?).
>
> make them load up with no issues. Personally, I don't go back and
> revisit old songs very often in Sonar or Reaper. If I have a mastered
> stereo wave of it, I don't really need to open it in the DAW unless I
> plan to re-mix it, and if I'm going to re-mix it, I'm likely going to
> dump all the plugins and re-work the song, using the plugs and tools I
> currently employ. My $.02
I do go back and remix old songs quite frequently, but I'm also with Glennbo
that, if I am going to remix a song, odds are I'm going to dump old plug-ins
and/or settings and redo it with whatever I'm favoring currently. After
all, if the mix was great before, I probably wouldn't be remixing.
That said, what I think you may be able to do here, assuming the old
Ultrafunk stuff doesn't conflict with the Cakewalk-labeled Sonitus:fx stuff,
is go ahead and install whichever old plug-ins you like, then go into the
SONAR Plug-in Manager and disable those old plug-ins to keep them out of
your menus. That way, they'll still load in any old projects that use them,
but you won't see them showing up in the SONAR plug-in menus to confuse you
with extra choices for new stuff or those times when you do want to replace
the old plug-ins with the new. I've done this sort of thing with many
DX/DXi plug-ins since I've started standardizing on using VST plug-ins
(whereas most of my older projects were using DX/DXi if available, and VST
only if DX wasn't available for specific plug-ins).
Rick
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> Ultrafunk stuff doesn't conflict with the Cakewalk-labeled Sonitus:fx
> stuff, is go ahead and install whichever old plug-ins you like, then go
> into the SONAR Plug-in Manager and disable those old plug-ins to keep them
> out of your menus. That way, they'll still load in any old projects that
> use them, but you won't see them showing up in the SONAR plug-in menus to
> confuse you with extra choices for new stuff or those times when you do
> want to replace the old plug-ins with the new.
That's what I've done up to now but I've got a lot (well most) of my old
plugins that will have to be wrapped in DirectiXer and then hidden in plugin
manager. It's just the anal retentive part of me that would likd it all to
be in the "new" way. Thanks all.
John Braner
There was one version of SONAR (I can't remember now) that installed
newer versions of the Sonitus plugins, but kept the old versions and
disabled them in plugin manager. (different CSLIDs I guess).
You may need to install these old ones *besides* the newer ones for
backward compatability.
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Ted Perlman
Best software noise gate ever made. I must have at least 6 or 7 instances in
every song I work on.
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Ricky Hunt
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> <Sonitus plugins>
>
> Best software noise gate ever made. I must have at least 6 or 7 instances
> in every song I work on.
They're the best "bargain" batch of plugins I've found. I don't do a project
without them either.
John Braner
> <Sonitus plugins>
>
> Best software noise gate ever made. I must have at least 6 or 7 instances in
> every song I work on.
>
>
I use this gate all the time too. Have you seen the BIAS one that
they're giving away for free?
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3230245#3230245
http://www.bias-inc.com/special/freeMPSplugin/?refer=mixline
(go to very bottom of page)
I had to authorise it with an authorisation file that they sent me
(didn't work the "normal" way for some reason) but this gate looks very
nice indeed.
Ricky Hunt
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Do you have to install the whole suite (the rest of which is a demo)?
Ted Perlman
They're a Mac-centric company. No thanks. I would hate to try it, like it,
and then next year they decide they're dropping the Windows versions. Been
there, done that...
John Braner
No - you download the installer for the whole suite, but you can choose
to just install the GateEx.
John Braner
> <Have you seen the BIAS one that they're giving away for free>
>
> They're a Mac-centric company. No thanks. I would hate to try it, like it,
> and then next year they decide they're dropping the Windows versions. Been
> there, done that...
>
>
>
You don't really need to update your gate every year (with a newer
version) ;-)
polymod
> Ted Perlman wrote:
> > <Have you seen the BIAS one that they're giving away for free>
> >
> > They're a Mac-centric company. No thanks. I would hate to try it, like
it,
> > and then next year they decide they're dropping the Windows versions.
Been
> > there, done that...
> >
> >
> >
> Fair point. I reckon if it's nice I'll just keep using the same version.
> You don't really need to update your gate every year (with a newer
> version) ;-)
I'm reckonin' the same pardner :)
Poly
John Braner
I usually use a gate on the (Toontrack) Superior toms. I'll try it out
in the next day or two...
John Braner
> polymod wrote:
>> "John Braner" <m...@myhouse.com> wrote in message
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>>> Ted Perlman wrote:
>>>> <Have you seen the BIAS one that they're giving away for free>
>>>>
>>>> They're a Mac-centric company. No thanks. I would hate to try it, like
>> it,
>>>> and then next year they decide they're dropping the Windows versions.
>> Been
>>>> there, done that...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Fair point. I reckon if it's nice I'll just keep using the same version.
>>> You don't really need to update your gate every year (with a newer
>>> version) ;-)
>>
>> I'm reckonin' the same pardner :)
>>
>> Poly
>>
>>
>
> I usually use a gate on the (Toontrack) Superior toms. I'll try it out
> in the next day or two...
>
Well, I tried the BIAS gate, and, well, it's a gate ;-)
I actually like the Sonitus one better because (for some reason) it
gives me a better picture of what I'm doing.
Ted Perlman
Why would you need to use a gate on drums that have no leakage issues? A
gate is usually one of the first things I insert when I'm mixing live drums
in order to minimize the cross talk between various drums. Have you
discovered a use for a gate that I'm not aware of? Enlighten me!!!!
Ted Perlman
I'm
going for the Phil Collins "Tonight" gated reverb tom effect>
I just remembered that sometimes using a compressor on the toms makes the
booong go on too long, so I suppose a gate would help there, too.
I wish there was a real life gate I could use on some people's mouth that
could be remotely activated. When they got to the part about not having all
of my money, I could activate the gate so I wouldn't have to hear any more
:-)
John Braner
> <I usually use a gate on the (Toontrack) Superior toms>
>
> Why would you need to use a gate on drums that have no leakage issues? A
> gate is usually one of the first things I insert when I'm mixing live drums
> in order to minimize the cross talk between various drums. Have you
> discovered a use for a gate that I'm not aware of? Enlighten me!!!!
>
>
1 - there *is* leakage in the Toontrack mics, so you could use the gate
for this if you want.
2 - I use it to cut down the ime of the ring of the toms. Is this not a
normal thing to do with a gate? You *can* adjust the envelopes in
Superior, but I like to just bounce the drums "raw" and use a gate for
this (in case I change my mind later)
<I can do NY sarcasm as well as you can>
There - are you enlightned? ;-)
</I can do NY sarcasm as well as you can>
=Please note the smiley=
Ted Perlman
Nice try but until you use the word "f*ck" inside of every other word, it
doesn't ring quite authentic New Yawk.
eg:
"Hi John:
How the fuck are you? I hope you're having a muthafuckin' great fuckin' day?
I fuckin' forgot to return your muthafuckin' phone call becuse the fuckin'
traffic was moving so fuckin slow and I got home too fuckin late from the
fuckin meeting with that stupid fuck Sam-fuckin-ee. Anyfuckinway, give me a
fuckin call when you get a fuckin chance.
I fuckin miss you, you fuck!
Warm fuckin regards,
Ted."
THAT's real New Yawk speak :-)
Ted Perlman
Doesn't matter to me, because I am so in love with EZ Drummer and all the
expansion packs. I have Superior, but I don't use it. I never could get it
to install properly, anyway. EZ Drummer sounds better than any other drum
sampler/player out there today, and is very user friendly.
John Braner
OK - sorry. I f**ckin got dat now ;-)
John Braner
> <Yes there is>
>
> Doesn't matter to me, because I am so in love with EZ Drummer and all the
> expansion packs. I have Superior, but I don't use it. I never could get it
> to install properly, anyway. EZ Drummer sounds better than any other drum
> sampler/player out there today, and is very user friendly.
>
>
If I didn't already have Superior (and now Superior 2) I think I'd have
gone with EZDrummer too. ;-)
Superior is a little more work to set up right - but I admit that I
cheat a little. Once I get a kit set up the way I like it (bleed levels,
choice of cymbals etc), I set up presets in the URS channel strip for
each mic. Then I only have to make minor changes from song to song.
Ted Perlman
I love Andreas and Matthias, but...nope. The last time I messed with
Superior, I wasted almost 8 hours trying to load the samples, make it work
correctly, etc. Nada, zip....
EZ Drummer? Piece of cake. No issues, no hassles, great sound and reliable.
Perfect software.
Rick Paul
> <Give Superior 2 a look>
>
> I love Andreas and Matthias, but...nope. The last time I messed with
> Superior, I wasted almost 8 hours trying to load the samples, make it work
> correctly, etc. Nada, zip....
>
> EZ Drummer? Piece of cake. No issues, no hassles, great sound and
> reliable. Perfect software.
Yeah, but one part of Superior 2.0 is supposed to be to simplify things for
those who want them simplified, in an EZ-like way. Note that I haven't yet
tried S2.0 to see how that plays in reality (don't have the sample library
disk space to even load it, so any adding of that one will have to wait
until I can justify adding another disk), so I can't personally attest that
it is easier. That is only the impression I've gotten from having talked to
Mattias at NAMM and read through the various bits of product info.
I also had similarly frustrating experiences with DFHS, where, after loading
all those sample DVDs, I really couldn't use the product effectively, was
confused by the interface, etc. (I did actually use just a small subset of
the percussion on one project, back before I had the Latin Percussion EZX,
but that was as far as I ever went with it in "real life".) And my
experience with EZD was similar to yours -- it was great, and easy to use,
right out of the shoot.
I am greatly intrigued by S2.0, though, to be honest, I'd probably be just
as interested in a New York Sounds EZX. ;-)
Ted Perlman
NAMM>
I've had them both over to my studio and we all actually wrote a few songs
together.
Even with the two of them next to me I couldn't figure out how to load or
run DKFH. It's funny, I think we actually used BFD when they were here
because that's what I had loaded :-)
Since then, besides moving to a new and bigger and better studio, I have
gotten rid of BFD completely. If it's "live"-type drums from the computer,
it's ALWAYS EZ Drums and the Exp packs. BRILLIANT sounding!!!!! The best I
have ever used.
Ricky Hunt
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>>
>> Why would you need to use a gate on drums that have no leakage issues?
>> A gate is usually one of the first things I insert when I'm mixing
>> live drums in order to minimize the cross talk between various drums.
>> Have you discovered a use for a gate that I'm not aware of? Enlighten
>> me!!!!
>
> an ADSR which could accomplish the same thing without any FX. Only time
> I use a gate on toms is when there's a reverb in front of it, and I'm
That's what I use them for sometimes. That's why I wished I'd waited and got
S2. I'd love an ADSR on every drum. Lots of times I have a sample with the
right attack, etc. but needs something cutoff. With a good gate (like
Sonitus), expander and compressor you can get pretty much any ADSR you want
but a single envelope would be better. You can get ADSR envelope followers
as plugins but that only works for notes that don't overlap.
Ted Perlman
of a kit, than the player that's playing them >
I love and respect you to the nth degree, but in my particular case it's the
opposite.
Once I have a groove and kit I like, the real work starts. I change the
groove. copy and layer each drum, etc. By the time I get done it's sort of
EZ Drums + Ted :-)
The Nashville expansion pack is SUPERB!!! As are the enclosed midi patterns,
fills etc. Just out and out GREAT!!!!
Max Arwood
delay. They ring a little too long for some songs. That is fixable. My
main gripe is, I only wish they had more midi patterns with them. It seems
Nashville has the least variations of any pack. I hope they sell midi
expansion packs for the kits. That would be great. Oh yea Ted, the
Nashville kit sounds great in S2! <g>
Max Arwood
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