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Trav

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Aug 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/20/98
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After recently purchasing the SB Live card, I noticed a special offer inside
for an upgrade of SoundForge XP (which comes with the card) to SoundForge
Pro 4.5 for $150. The upgrade is normally $250, so this looks like a great
deal. So, I downloaded the demo to give it a try.

HOWEVER, I also downloaded a demo of Cool Edit Pro. After playing around
with both of them for a while, I've concluded that they are very comparable,
except Cool Edit Pro offers Multi-track recording. SoundForge doesn't, does
it? The Multi-track recording is a great advantage, I would think. Yes, I
know I can do this in Cakewalk too, but it's much easier and more powerful
features in Cool Edit Pro. Of course, Cool Edit Pro costs $400.

I doubt if I'll be able to spend that much money on Cool Edit Pro, so I'm
thinking about possibly upgrading SoundForge for the special deal of $150.
But I wanted to get your thoughts on SoundForge or if there's any other
programs out there that are cheaper than Cool Edit Pro, but offer
multi-track recording.

If SoundForge 4.5 had multi-track recording, I wouldn't have this
dillemma... bummer

Thanks,
Trav


Rick Ryan

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Aug 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/20/98
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Dude, Sound Forge is for MASTERING, not multi-track recording. In that arena
it's wonderful. If you do go to Sound Forge for MASTERING, then I'd highly
recommend the Waves Native Power Pack. Outstanding effects. The maximizer is
LOUD.

Good luck.

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Trav

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Rick Ryan wrote in message <6rh8o8$i...@hope.harvard.net>...

>Dude, Sound Forge is for MASTERING, not multi-track recording. In that
arena
>it's wonderful. If you do go to Sound Forge for MASTERING, then I'd highly
>recommend the Waves Native Power Pack. Outstanding effects. The maximizer
is
>LOUD.

I understand that SoundForge is for mastering, not multi-track. However,
since Cool Edit Pro is also for mastering, I was curious to find out what
features SoundForge has that Cool Edit Pro doesn't. And although muli-track
ability would be nice, I could always use Cakewalk for that....

Thanks for your response...
Trav

Chris Rippy

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Aug 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/20/98
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SoundForge is much more than just a mastering tool. It is the ultimate
swiss-army knife audio tool, in my opinion. Sonic Foundry would be very
smart to make Sound Forge mult-trackable, I know I've wished for it a number
of times when developing sounds for games. For example, when creating a
layered sound, I would much rather have all of my sounds on different tracks
so that I could tweek the individual levels and effects, without having to
copy, cut, paste, listen, undo, repeat until perfect. True, this could be
done in Cakewalk, but it would be a bit unwieldy... not what Cakewalk was
designed for.

Chris

Chris Rippy
Ensemble Studios


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Phil Clapis

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Aug 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/20/98
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Chris,

At a music store yesterday the salesman said Sound Forge will be coming
out with a multi-track version soon. That's what I heard at least...

Phil

Ree Ree

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Aug 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/20/98
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Hey All,
This is just "Hear say", but I have also listened to the rumor
mill, and caught a notice of a possible multi track Sound Forge.
This would be a welcome addition in my book, due to the fact that I love the
S,F, interface, but I do not expect a full featured Midi program out of
Sonic Foundry like in Twelve Tones (CW). I so far have resisted temptation
with other 24bit 96hz Audio Products, but if Sound Forge 5.0 becomes
Multitrack, and more true 24bit 96khz hardware is available soon. S.F. will
be my Audio and C.W. will be my MIDI. I really hate using seperate software
for Audio and MIdi, but if you have ever used S.F. for Audio. I am sure you
can understand ?

Just My Opinion,
Ree Ree

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Jeff Kline

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Aug 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/21/98
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Well...
Tried both and wound up with Cool Edit pro and have stuck with it. I like
them both but personally found Cool Edit pro easier for me to figure out and
work with than Sound Forge. I thought things were a little more layed out in
logical steps and stuff too. Many preview abilities also in Cool Edit Pro
when dealing with effects. Having that ability itself was worth it since not
all effects work the same for a given task.
Someone told me to change the dynamics of a track using it and they provided
the specs. I used their specs and the track sounded bad when a listening
test came. I went in using the preview and live action stuff and dynamically
set the dynamics until they were happy using real listening and stuff. Paid
for itself on that one job!!
There are however some things I did like in Sound Forge too but I could only
afford to go with one of them at the time.
Jeff

Tom Greb

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Aug 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/21/98
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I may be mistaken, but I think that SoundForge
still records in 16 bit only.

CEP has 20/24+ bit capability.

Best,

Tom

Mitch Brink

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Aug 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/21/98
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Rick Ryan wrote:

> Dude, Sound Forge is for MASTERING, not multi-track recording. In that arena
> it's wonderful. If you do go to Sound Forge for MASTERING,

Whane you say SF is better at mastering, what features or functions are you
referring to?
I'm just curious. Are you referring to built-in features or plug-ins?

I've used Cool Edit Pro for simple stuff, but don't really know what constitutes
'mastering' in a program such as this.

Any chance that Cakewalk will evolve into an all-in-one music production suite?
:-)


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______________________________________________________________________
Mitch Brink, Keyboardist/ Composer
E-mail: mit...@ix.netcom.com
WWW: http://www.geocities.com/~mitchb2/

Kevin Perry

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Aug 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/21/98
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Mitch Brink wrote:

> Rick Ryan wrote:
>
> Whane you say SF is better at mastering, what features or functions are you
> referring to?
> I'm just curious. Are you referring to built-in features or plug-ins?

Both. Simply put, whatever you can imagine doing to a stereo file, Sound Forge can
most likely accomodate. Through it's own features and plugins. The next big step
for Sound Forge will be a step up in bit rate. 24-bit, 20-bit, ....however I am a
believer that a higher bit rate at this point and time does not automatically get a
stamp of "Sounds Better."

> Any chance that Cakewalk will evolve into an all-in-one music production suite?
> :-)

Lets hope not. Theres a fine line between flexibility and "do one thing and do it
well." I don't find studiowares and virtual consoles useful, but that has to do
with how I use cakewalk. Lets hope they get back to focusing on the manipulation
of our audio and midi. Whether it is 24/96, vector mixing, realtime midi
manipulation(Bars and Pipes was a dream at this), better file streaming schemes or
whatever. What an incredible program that would be.

Kevin Perry
Chameleon Music
Nashville, TN


Ree Ree

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Aug 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/22/98
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You are Mistaken,
S.F. does 24bit 96k as long as your hardware
will support it.
Ree Ree

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Bruce A. Richardson

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Aug 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/23/98
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>You are Mistaken,
> S.F. does 24bit 96k as long as your hardware
>will support it.
> Ree Ree

??????????????????

I don't know what version of Sound Forge you're using, but my version 4.5
will NOT record in 24 bit. Only 16 bit, although it will go to 96k.

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Bruce A. Richardson
Purple Iguana Productions
bandm...@sprynet.com
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/purpleiguana
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Ree Ree

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Aug 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/23/98
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Bruce,
I made a point of checking with Sonic Foundries tech support
before purchasing the 4.5 upgrade. I asked the S.F. technician "Mike" via
phone if the new version would support 24bit 96k audio hardware.

His reply was "Yes"

I am using 24bit dithered to a 16bit digital in from a Finalizer plus to a
Card D+ & digital only daughter board, so I can not say that I have tested
or am able to confirm the 24bit capabilities.

My purpose was not to give incorrect information, if this is what happened ?
I simpley posted information that had been given to me by a Sonic Foundry
tech support person.

As I look through Sound Forge at this moment. I can not see any selection
menu for 24bit, only 8 and 16 in the record menu.

I must now assume that you are correct Bruce, and that I was either given
false information by S.F. or I did not understand his simple reply of "Yes"
?

I now have an 24bit ADB digital card on order, that will not do me much good
at this time (G)

Sincerely,
Ree Ree

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Lionel L. Dumond

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Aug 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/23/98
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Likely, he meant that it will "work" with 24-bit hardware. For example,
Sonic Foundry products all "support" the Sonorus STUDI/O, which is a 24 bit
card, but that doesn't mean that SF will store 24 bit audio -- it can't,
and it won't.

I'm still waiting for SF to get on the stick. I want to use it with the
new Tascam 24-bit DAT machine being released in Q4 '98.

--
Lionel L. Dumond
Producer / Senior Engineer
MusicMedia Productions
Portland, ME / Santa Barbara, CA

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