* Installing and running phpunit executable is way easier than a couple years ago.
* Our test harness does not actually offer anything useful on top of phpunit
* Creates confusion for newcomers that are already acquainted to phpunit
* Using the console with php does not suck anymore
* Newbies rarely do tests, more advanced developers are used to the console
I agree with everything.
Some more thoughts from a "young" (6 months now) CakePHP user:
* The web UI is certainly nice for newbies and for devs wanting to show their bosses something "visual".
* I personally never really got the point of this web UI thingy beyond the mentioned "visual" part.
* If Cake's test environment provides other ways for CI and monitoring tools then it should be fine
* If we provide ready to cook recipes for executing the tests in the console for newbies then they could get along without the web UI (and learn to use it, too).
* If the web UI test runner was a single fat script that was maintained externally and could be inserted into the project for those who need it, it would take away some burden off the core project.
* Is there an alternative solution to Cake's web UI? Does anybody know if there is something similar to it?
* People really don't like changes but CakePHP 3.0 comes with changes already. Why not one thing more if it's for a good cause?
* If devs coming from other PHP frameworks/standard applications they don't have to learn something new if we use phpunit standard stuff, which would help transitions to Cake easier.