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Martin Brüggemeier
Dec 8, 2014, 10:11:31 AM12/8/14
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Hi everyone!
The last project I did in CT was a translation of five docx files.
Yesterday, it all started as usual; I switched between the documents
using "Project -- Documents" without any problems. But when I restarted
CT today, the segments all files were "glued" together although I never
clicked on "Glue all files virtually" in the "Documents" dialogue (of
which I'm sure). I created two or three new project with the same files,
but the problem persisted (after closing and restarting CT).
What could be the cause? Is there perhaps a new setting in the "Options"
dialogue that I overlooked? BTW, I'm using CT version 2014112701.
TIA for your help!
Martin
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The last project I did in CT was a translation of five docx files.
Yesterday, it all started as usual; I switched between the documents
using "Project -- Documents" without any problems. But when I restarted
CT today, the segments all files were "glued" together although I never
clicked on "Glue all files virtually" in the "Documents" dialogue (of
which I'm sure). I created two or three new project with the same files,
but the problem persisted (after closing and restarting CT).
What could be the cause? Is there perhaps a new setting in the "Options"
dialogue that I overlooked? BTW, I'm using CT version 2014112701.
TIA for your help!
Martin
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Translator (EN<>DE, ES>DE, EO<>DE)
Address: Josefstr. 27, 48683 Ahaus, Germany
Phone: +49 (0) 2561 7559073
Fax: +49 (0) 2561 7559074
Mobile: +49 (0) 1578 7559075
http://www.martin-brueggemeier.de
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Michael Beijer
Dec 8, 2014, 10:57:59 AM12/8/14
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Strange, hasn't happened to me yet. Looks like a job for Igor!
Michael
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Igor Kmitowski
Dec 8, 2014, 1:47:22 PM12/8/14
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Hello Martin,
After restart, you can easily unglue the documents by selecting Project >
Documents and choosing a document. Okay, I take it as a request to let CT
keep the documents unglued after the restart.
Cheerio,
Igor
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After restart, you can easily unglue the documents by selecting Project >
Documents and choosing a document. Okay, I take it as a request to let CT
keep the documents unglued after the restart.
Cheerio,
Igor
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Martin Brüggemeier
Dec 8, 2014, 5:21:28 PM12/8/14
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Am 08.12.2014 19:47:12, "Igor Kmitowski" <cafetran...@gmail.com>
schrieb:
>Hello Martin,
>
>After restart, you can easily unglue the documents by selecting Project
> > Documents and choosing a document. Okay, I take it as a request to
>let CT keep the documents unglued after the restart.
>
with.
Yes, you're right, the documents are "unglued" when I select another
document.
But what is strange is that
- the docs are glued together again whenever I restart CT,
- each time I restart, the number of segments glued together gets
longer. The project actually has a bit more than 100 segments (in 5
docs), but after I restarted CT and opened the project again, the total
number of segments was over 500, and over 2600 after restarting and
opening the project the next time. CT not only glues the files, it also
glues all of them together several times in a row (obviously five times
more each time I restart). And that is although I never told CT to "glue
all files virtually".
Strange indeed ...
Cheers,
Martin
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Igor Kmitowski
Dec 8, 2014, 7:36:11 PM12/8/14
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Hello Martin,
The gluing issue seems to have appeared in the late November CT version
with the introduction of the new Excel filter. The fix should be ready
within a few days. I will send the update to the affected users. Thanks
for pointing this out.
Cheers,
Igor
The gluing issue seems to have appeared in the late November CT version
with the introduction of the new Excel filter. The fix should be ready
within a few days. I will send the update to the affected users. Thanks
for pointing this out.
Cheers,
Igor
Selcuk Akyuz
Dec 8, 2014, 7:56:11 PM12/8/14
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This is good news! First time I hear of a bug in CT, in other words CT is a feature-rich, complex CAT tool.
1. Normal people believe that if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
:)
Selcuk
1. Normal people believe that if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Engineers believe that if it ain't broke, it doesn't have enough features yet.
:)
Selcuk
J Henry Phillips
Jan 14, 2016, 8:37:16 AM1/14/16
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The normal way for me. These past two days I've been pestered with a "Glue all files virtually" mousetrap. "Glue" is not in the help file (crap, this interface has a spell meddling function), so I regard it as an unsupported invitation to do something stupid. I've tried a "view" function in memoQ and didn't like it at all. The difference is that memoQ doesn't keep shoving the mousetrap in my face. CT is shoving this glue mousetrap in my face like a religious fanatic out to save my soul from Satan and Shamanism. Is there a way to turn it off--at least until the help file or a manual says what it's for? Cheerfully,
Igor Kmitowski
Jan 14, 2016, 8:48:13 AM1/14/16
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Hi J Henry,
"Glue all files virtually" panel appears only when you translate a project with a folder containing a few documents for translation. When you open such a project, CafeTran gives you a choice either to 'glue' the files virtually into one or choose an individual file for the translation. Otherwise, the program has no way of knowing how you wish to handle such multi-document projects.
Cheers,
Igor
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On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 2:37:16 PM UTC+1, J Henry Phillips wrote:
On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 2:37:16 PM UTC+1, J Henry Phillips wrote:
The normal way for me. These past two days I've been pestered with a "Glue all files virtually" mousetrap. "Glue" is not in the help file (crap, "Glue all files virtually"), so I regard it as an unsupported invitation to do something stupid. I've tried a "view" function in memoQ and didn't like it at all. The difference is that memoQ doesn't keep shoving the mousetrap in my face. CT is shoving this glue mousetrap in my face like a religious fanatic out to save my soul from Satan and Shamanism. Is there a way to turn it off--at least until the help file or a manual says what it's for? Cheerfully,
J Henry Phillips
Jan 15, 2016, 5:12:23 PM1/15/16
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Well and good, but when a dog starts humping my leg he also imagines he is doing me a favor. All I am looking for is for glue to be in the help file. Maybe then I can find a mace, pepper spray, nunchaku or kick button and send the thing scurrying.
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Michael Beijer
Jan 15, 2016, 5:23:16 PM1/15/16
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But what do you do if your project contains 2-3 files? Create a new project for each file? Kind of silly, if you ask me.
Virtually glueing them is exactly that: virtual: you can still choose to open only one of them at a time in your project. In my view, there is no reason not to glue multiple files in a single project.
Michael
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J Henry Phillips
Jan 16, 2016, 7:51:24 AM1/16/16
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I am accustomed to having a choice. MemoQ, DejaVU, Omega-T... all let me have several files in a project without meddling, interfering, elbowing me aside to scramble my work, and certainly without sabotaging my project and acting like I should appreciate the altruistic service were I not some childish-minded ape incapable of making its own decisions.
I paid for professional software, not for membership in the National Socialist Workers Party of Germany or some religion operated by the better people who know what's good for the riffraff and are determined to meddle in their affairs. I bought Apple computers precisely because Microsoft became meddlesome and obnoxious. I chose Cafe Tran because it exploits Apple dictation.
Surely a better argument can be made for neglecting to document the glue function in the Help file and incessantly forcing its unwanted attentions on me than to assert that being allowed to do my work in peace is "Kind of silly."
Every other program lets me use a single project to host hundreds of documents in sequence, sometimes just one and sometimes fifteen, quietly minding their own business while I pick and choose what to translate, export and remove before adding other files. Other projects are for groups of files on other subjects or language directions. If I want to virtually merge files, I do it; if not, I don't. That is normal. Having some leg-humping software function with no help documentation or OFF button insist on meddling against my will is much worse than "Kind of silly." It strikes me as arrogant, counterproductive and more than a little dumb. I simply suggest a "stop pestering me" option be added, or the glue pot removed. Cheerfully
Michael Beijer
Jan 16, 2016, 8:02:32 AM1/16/16
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Sorry, but I am not going to continue this conversation, as you are acting like a complete lunatic and imbecile.
Regards,
Michael
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Wolfgang Schoene
Jan 16, 2016, 8:11:20 AM1/16/16
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Seconded.
I figured out the glue function without any help or guidance and I have no Ph.D.
Wolfgang
Igor Kmitowski
Jan 16, 2016, 10:27:51 AM1/16/16
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Actually, J. Henry Phillips is complaining that on each start of the multiple-document translation project, CT gives the user a choice to glue or not to glue. And this may suggest to let CT remember this choice when the project was created and do not pop-up that 'glue' panel at the restart of the project, as the future improvement of this function.
Igor
Michael Beijer
Jan 16, 2016, 10:32:29 AM1/16/16
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Aha. Kind of hard to see through all the bombast and rhetoric, but you might be right.
Michael
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J Henry Phillips
Jan 16, 2016, 3:32:25 PM1/16/16
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Gosh, I had no idea I was in a debate, much less with a master of ad hominem rhetoric. Cheerfully
J Henry Phillips
Jan 16, 2016, 3:34:40 PM1/16/16
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Nor documentation in the help files. Bravo. Were you able to dismiss it or turn it off?
J Henry Phillips
Jan 16, 2016, 3:38:17 PM1/16/16
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Yes, that's right. But being able to look it up and find out what it is couldn't hurt either. Lots of software offers the option of not answering the same question over and over again eventually. If the memoQ "view" function is analogous, it is certainly less officious.
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J Henry Phillips
Jan 16, 2016, 3:46:48 PM1/16/16
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And I could just as easily be wrong. But the thing does pester the user, is not explained in help, and sooner or later one is reminded of the British joke about the secret options in Windows: "Annoy me with that sodding paperclip:
a) constantly
b) when I least expect it"
a) constantly
b) when I least expect it"
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J Henry Phillips
Feb 6, 2020, 6:03:14 PM2/6/20
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There is no sane reason to GLUE files together in my projects. My projects are by area and language direction: fictionE-P, immigrationP-E, transcriptsP-E or E-P... they belong to different people. The files come and go and the project endures in memoQ and Omega-T... and Cafe Tran?
But what I am gathering rereading this four years later, with another project frozen, is that when I am ordered to glue stuff, the only way to proceed is to click on the file in red at the bottom of the list (or remove all previous files). I'll try that, and suggest it be added to the documentation if either breaks the bottleneck roadblock. (A pop-up could say "click on the file in red if you do NOT want to slop glue." --Better than the wheel of death.)
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