New member: Looking for info on Tiburon 36

[MikeTurner]

Hello, all!

First, quick note about me: been sailing 35 years, everything from a
Sunfish to a Catalina 30, on inland lakes in Michigan and North
Carolina; Los Angeles and San Diego. Currently own and sail a Rob Roy
23 yawl on Mobile Bay (this boat's for sale, by the way, if anyone
knows of anyone who might be interested).

We're looking to move up to a larger boat for more extensive coastal
cruising in the Gulf of Mexico, Caribbean, Florida Keys, Bahamas and
up the East Coast via the ICW. Based on our Rob Roy experience, and
also just plain ol' nostaligia, we're looking at split rigs, primarily
ketch.

One of the boats we've become interested in is the Cabo Rico Tiburon
36 ketch. We've done some Internet research and there's a little bit
about the boat out there - I know it's the hull that ultimately became
the CR38; and have seen some some areas to look for, including deck
compression under the mizzen mast, leaks at the scuppers and rudder
post/frame corrosion.

Anyone here with any more info on this boat? We're looking at one
tomorrow and know of a couple more for sale that we might follow up
on, depending on how we like the boat we see. A couple of questions I
have:

* Are the CR hulls balsa cored? I've read that they are; I've also
read that the hulls below the waterline are solid glass, and that the
balsa above the W/L isn't really a "core" so much as an insulator
bonded to the inside of the hull, and glassed over. What's the right
answer? What's the fiberglass layup on the Tiburon or CR38? I
believe the decks and cabin sides/top are cored, is this correct?

* The Tiburons are powered by a Chrysler/Nissan diesel. I'm not
familiar with this engine - are parts available?

* Does the Tiburon use the same rudder as the CR38? I've read that
the Tiburon rudder has a SS post but black steel internal frame, and
that corrosion leads to the two separating. I'm wondering about
whether a CR38 rudder would swap out to the Tiburon for replacement?

Any other information anyone has, or anywhere you can point me beyond
what I'm finding via Google, will be greatly appreciated.

Mike Turner
Rob Roy 23 yawl "Fiddlestix"
Mobile Bay, Alabama

[Dave Newberg]

Hi Mike

I can't speak about the Tiburon - we own a CR34. The Tiburons are few
and far between. But I know that CR boats are not balsa cored, but as
you alluded they have balsa (for sound and thermal insulation only)
applied to a completed hull, then glassed over. Our boat is amazingly
quiet below.

Why not consider a CR38 as well - no need for a split rig with CR's
cutter rig. Our boat has a triple reef in the main, double reef in
the staysail, and a furling headsail. Enough sail options to cover
most anything there. There are more 38s to choose from and they're
newer than the Tiburon.

The 38 owners in the group will have a lot more to say I'm sure . . .
but you can't go wrong with a Cabo Rico in my opinion.

Cheers
Dave

[Cab...@aol.com]

I don't have much info but I have been aboard one and maybe that owner can help. The boat was well taken care of and upgraded. I like the ketch too but I don't think it is that much of an advantage until you get over 44 ft or so. Does the Cabo 56 come in a ketch? They are kind of rare, good luck on finding one. On the rudder I think most early Cabo's had a steel or steel like frame. Mine is #19 and I need a new rudder because the guy that had it before me bent it some. When I rebuilt it I could tell it was corroded in some areas. The deck and parts of the hull have a balsa core for insulation as best I can tell. Anywhere  a screw or bolt goes through the core it has to be redone.

 

Breck Caine CR 38 #19

[ron acierno]

well...I also love split rigs, and have had many passing thoughts about the following idea: why don't you find a cabo rico 38 and add a mizzen mast aft the steering station? a compression post beneath the deck just behind the rudder stock might be easily fitted.

[Alan Gluyas]

Hi Ron

 

Technically, if you put the mast aft of the sternpost, you will have a yawl! Didn’t one of your famous American sailors once say” give me an axe and I will improve the looks and performance of any yawl”? – back to square one! ;-)

 

You would also need to shorten the boom quite severely to clear the mizzen. I am not a fan of two masted rigs on boats under fifty something feet long and I think that the popularity of ketches is only because people thing that the word ketch sounds salty. Even some of my Westlawn textbooks said that the ketch is one of the most sea kindly rigs. Ha! The mizzen sail is no use at all downwind and not much use hard on it. Apparently they are good for sailing backwards out of anchorages. I rest my case.

 

Cheers

 

Al

 

CR38 Brite Star

Fremantle

 

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[Sharon Isikoff]

And maybe they are also good for keeping you headed into the wind at
anchor. Sharon

[ron acierno]

Ahhh yes, well on some level you are correct in that aft the rudder
post equals a yawl. But that def is countermanded if the mizzen is
very tall as on the tiburon (I think you are more correct but I have
seen that mast size override in two books. And you are both right as
to the obvious advantage of backing up and pointing into the wind at
anchor. But having owned 4 yawls I can tell you it is by far the best
rig you can sail. Especially single handed. Wind at 30 knots wib jib
and mizzen (jib and jigger) only is as perfectly balanced as you can
get and easily controlled. Truly unless you sail one in a gale its
hard to appreciate

On 10/24/09, Alan Gluyas <alang...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> Hi Ron
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> Technically, if you put the mast aft of the sternpost, you will have a yawl!
> Didn't one of your famous American sailors once say" give me an axe and I

> will improve the looks and performance of any yawl"? - back to square one!

> ;-)
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> You would also need to shorten the boom quite severely to clear the mizzen.
> I am not a fan of two masted rigs on boats under fifty something feet long
> and I think that the popularity of ketches is only because people thing that
> the word ketch sounds salty. Even some of my Westlawn textbooks said that
> the ketch is one of the most sea kindly rigs. Ha! The mizzen sail is no use
> at all downwind and not much use hard on it. Apparently they are good for
> sailing backwards out of anchorages. I rest my case.
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> Cheers
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> Al
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> CR38 Brite Star
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> Fremantle
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> _____
>

[Kale Gorham]

 First off, Welcome to the group. Im sure on behalf of every body here. I happen to be in Mobile this week, Im out at the Gulf Costal Fair. I was planning on going down to Dolphine Island next week to check out the marinas. If you would like to meet some where next week during the hours of 8 am to 3 pm I can  get away. I have my file on  my  cabo 38. I am relative new owner of a cabo but have learned a lot thru this group and personel experience. Also the laminate schedual for a triburon, proably could be gotten from cabo rico themselves, as I have the full lamiunate schedule for a 38 from them, hull and deck. They were very helpful with a hull problem I had. gIVE ME A SHOUT I would like to meet with you. Kale Goham CR38 Private Dancer 
> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:42:24 -0700
> Subject: [caborico] New member: Looking for info on Tiburon 36
> From: naut...@aol.com
> To: cabo...@googlegroups.com

[Mickey Panayiotakis]

Al,

Spot on, as always.  I do take one issue: I think "yawl" sounds saltier than "ketch"…you just have to make sure it doesn't sound like "y'all" :)

Not sure about the mizzen mast size on a yawl making a difference between yawl/ketch.  Most yawl mizzens are small, but that could well be because most yawl rigs have such a big overhang in the stern that putting even more weight back there would be foolish. 

Y

[Leslie]

Welcome, Mike. I had the opportunity to go aboard a Tiburon that
shared an anchorage with us. The couple who had this boat had just
purchased her and were planning to head South....They were very
excited with her and I can see why. She is alot of boat for the price
and I am sure they were going to have quite the adventure. Teak was
rough, gelcoat had seen better times but she was a pretty boat if you
did not look too close and I am sure could be a head turner with a
little attention.

The things that struck me as I went below was the closeness of the
main saloon when compared to my smaller (but aft cockpit, CR34). The
head was forward as I remember. What was pretty special with this
vessel was that the previous owner had gutted the aft cabin and using
most of the original teak had reconfigured the bunk athart ships. The
bunk sat over the aft section of hull that rises up to meet the
transom so the cabin floor was now pretty flat. The bunk was huge and
they had extended storage under the bunk as well according to the
owner. He advised that other boats he had seen had a pulman berth and
a bench to sit on and that was now gone. The past owner had put a
true mattress so they were enjoying what to them was a real bed
aboard. It was so well done, I would have thought it was original to
the vessel. I guess while at sea you would have to switch the
location of your pillow depending which tack you are on.

The Rob Roy is a beautiful little pocket cruiser. I am sure someone
will be very happy to get yours. Good luck with getting her sold.

Leslie

sv "Tango", CR 34, #2
Kent Island, MD

[MikeTurner]

Kale - Thanks for the offer, didn't mean not to reply sooner - we were
out of town last weekend. Let me know if you'll be back in the area
anytime soon. Mike

On Oct 24, 12:58�pm, Kale Gorham <kgorha...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> �First off, Welcome to the group. Im sure on behalf of every body here. I happen to be in Mobile this week, Im out at the Gulf Costal Fair. I was planning on going down to Dolphine Island next week to check out the marinas. If you would like to meet some where next week during the hours of 8 am to 3 pm I can �get away. I have my file on �my �cabo 38. I am relative new owner of a cabo but have learned a lot thru this group and personel experience. Also the laminate schedual for a triburon, proably could be gotten from cabo rico themselves, as I have the full lamiunate schedule for a 38 from them, hull and deck. They were very helpful with a hull problem I had. gIVE ME A SHOUT I would like to meet with you. Kale Goham CR38 Private Dancer �

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[MikeTurner]

An update to my original post: we looked at the one Tiburon currently
listed for sale in the US, in Pensacola. It truly is an interesting
design. The boat seemed very solid and there was a lot we liked about
the deck and cabin configurations. This specific boat needed a bit
more work than we felt we wanted to do. Much of it was cosmetic; the
only serious potential issue I saw was some corrosion of the mainmast
at the step, I would suspect from electrolysis between the aluminum
mast and a steel step. It didn't seem too bad but is something one
would want to address. We felt pretty good sitting on the boat... the
listing is on yachtworld.com if anyone is interested, and the broker
was a real nice guy.

So, the Tiburon will remain on our list as we continue the hunt; if
another one comes available I think we'll want to see it. Had a lead
on a second one for sale in the Galveston area, but that turned out to
be an old listing, and turned out to be the same boat - sold 2 years
ago in Galveston, sailed for a year or so in the Caribbean, then wound
up in Pensacola.

Other boats in the running at the moment are the Allied Seawind II,
Allied Princess, Allied Mistress, Alberg 37 yawl and, if I could find
one for sale, Halberg-Rassy Rasmus ketch. We've looked at a few
others including the Pearson 365 and Seafarer 36C but ruled them out
for one reason or another. Any suggestions re: any others, we'd be
interested - still looking to stick with the split rigs. Interesting
discussions in this thread on ketch/yawl, there's some very good
archived discussions on the topics of sloops/cutters vs. ketch/yawl/
schooners over at sailnet.com, if anyone's interested. Our interest
is a combination of sailing characteristics (we sail our current yawl
quite a bit in "jib and jigger" configuration when the wind is up and
like the way the rig balances) and esthetics/nostalgia for "shippy"
looking boats (not that sloops/cutters don't look shippy; the CR38 is
a great looking boat).

Thanks to all for your input. I'll be checking back looking for leads
on other Tiburons that might be out there - but it sounds to me like
many of them are out of the country, having been used for their
intended purpose, blue water cruising.

Mike Turner
Rob Roy 23 yawl "Fiddlestix"
Mobile Bay, Alabama

Fiddlestix for sale: http://www.sailingtexas.com/srobroy23100.html

[Kale Gorham]

MIKE going to our second weekend here this thing ends Sunday if u have time t come out next two days I have till 12  noon to chat  My cell # IS  863 447 0470 LEAVE MESSAGE  as i smetimes cant here it im around machinery Kale
 
> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 06:15:05 -0700
> Subject: [caborico] Re: New member: Looking for info on Tiburon 36
> From: naut...@aol.com
> To: cabo...@googlegroups.com

[Mickey Panayiotakis]

happy birthday bro.

[Thierry Danz]

Is nothing a secret anymore? :)

(thanks!)

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Subject: [caborico] Thierry.

happy birthday bro.

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