Re: New Member taking ownership of a new Cabo Rico Northeast 400
Norris & Karen Palmer
I am really glad to meet someone with the identical boat.
Why do they call it a 400 when it is 42 ft.
Since the thru hulls are not metal, where else and how is the bonding taking place?
I was not at the haulout, where are the zincs?
I had to move quick on this boat to get the survey and sea trial done.
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Fisher! good looking boats.I saw a fisher catamaran one time. IT looked like two monohulls with a bit in-between. Met the guys briefly on the La Trappe creek in MD.
Y
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 8:13 PM, Norris & Karen Palmer <4pa...@centurytel.net> wrote:
I actually don’t know we have just done the survey and its being written up and its not on yachtworld.
Its good to hear about it especially all the write ups so favorable.
We currently have a Fisher 34 motor sailer with a Westerbeke 69 hp.
This boat seems so comfortable and spacious and bright.
You can get to the engine with no problems, lots of storage, you can do everything without having to go out on deck.
You know the rest!
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Hey, sounds like fun! I hope all goes well with the survey and purchase.
We've owned NE 400 hull number 14 for 12 years now and still can't think of a better combination out there. It's a good sailboat - and can be exceptionally good on certain points of sail. That considerable beam makes her very stiff and comfortable when motoring too. However - for a motorsailer, I think the engine noise can be intrusive. It might have improved on later boats. What hull number are you buying?
Best wishes
Keith Laker
On Nov 18, 2012, at 16:15, "Norris & Karen Palmer" <4pa...@centurytel.net> wrote:
Thank you,
I am having a Cabo Rico Northeast 400 being surveyed to-day.
It sure is a great design for the Pacific Northwest.
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We had one at one time, but we all started using this. Anyway welcome to the group.
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On Nov 18, 2012, at 6:36 AM, "Norris & Karen Palmer" <4pa...@centurytel.net> wrote:I am a new member to the group.
Does the group have a owners web site?
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Wow, this is very interesting Keith. I read in the link of the Yanmar bulletin that you attached they also recommend draining the coolant every 500 hours or every year, whichever comes first. I've had Voyager two years and have never changed the coolant. I do not see from any maintenance records that it has been changed out by the previous owner either. The boat came with some Prestone antifreeze leftover in a jug so I assume that is what has been in it.
Thanks Keith.
On Saturday, November 17, 2012 9:46:48 PM UTC-5, Keith Laker wrote:Earl,
What quality of anti-freeze do you use? A cheap brand compared to a quality brand can make all the difference.
For the first few years of our ownership of 'Briez' I had repeated problems with the Yanmar 4JH UTE overheating. Like you, I ran through all the usual culprits and cleaned out the heat exchanger twice. Nothing fixed the problem for long - at anything like 85% or more of full power the over-temp alarm would go off within minutes.
I ultimately spoke about this with a Yanmar representative at one of the shows. He admitted that the cooling circuit capacity was a little marginal on that particular engine model, but he asked me what anti-freeze I used. I had been using just something cheap - but at his suggestion I flushed out the system with a mild acid cleaner and a). filled it with ionised water instead of tap water and b). put some quality Texaco Havoline anti-freeze in. We've never had a recurrence of the problem since.
Frankly I was amazed and would have been sceptical if someone else had told me this. As I recall the Yanmar rep. told me that cheap brands of anti-freeze have much higher levels of silicate in them than decent brands. Have a look at page 4 of the following link which seems to confirm the same: http://ldmarineservice.com/files/yanmar_bulletins.pdf
I appreciate it's a different engine to yours, but it might be worth a try :-)
Best wishes,
Keith Laker
'Briez' NE400-14
On 17 Nov 2012, at 12:18, Capn_Earl <mike.e...@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm looking for advice about a stubborn overheating problem on my 1996 Universal M-50. Engine runs at about 165 degrees until I push it into it's 2,000-2500 RPM range, then it overheats starting at 180 degrees. (It will sit at dock in neutral and run 2000-2500 without a problem, it is just when it is under load that it overheats.)
I've addressed the usual suspects: impeller, thermostat, tightened belt, cleaned the heat exchanger, coolant is topped off, verified water flow from the seacock through to the exhaust elbow, inspected elbow (there was corrosion built up and had to dislodge it). I have not replaced the sensor but thought it was at least reading different temp levels and reporting them, but... My next step is getting someone with a heat gun to shoot some temps.
Any other ideas?
Capn_Earl
Voyager CR38
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Keith Laker
I am really glad to meet someone with the identical boat.
Why do they call it a 400 when it is 42 ft.Since the thru hulls are not metal, where else and how is the bonding taking place?I was not at the haulout, where are the zincs?I had to move quick on this boat to get the survey and sea trial done.From the Salish Sea48’ 34.099 Degrees North123’ 10.456 Degrees WestNorris & Karen Palmer
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Subject: Re: [caborico] overheating on Universal M-50Fisher! good looking boats.I saw a fisher catamaran one time. IT looked like two monohulls with a bit in-between. Met the guys briefly on the La Trappe creek in MD.Y
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 8:13 PM, Norris & Karen Palmer <4pa...@centurytel.net> wrote:
I actually don’t know we have just done the survey and its being written up and its not on yachtworld.Its good to hear about it especially all the write ups so favorable.We currently have a Fisher 34 motor sailer with a Westerbeke 69 hp.This boat seems so comfortable and spacious and bright.You can get to the engine with no problems, lots of storage, you can do everything without having to go out on deck.You know the rest!
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Norris Palmer
Thanks!
That’s weird as mine has a swim platform.
The survey found nothing but a little Gel coat repair on the cabin.
I hope to have her in a few weeks.
I had all new zincs put on and this boat too has a owner installed zinc at the bottom of the rudder fin.
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Norris Palmer
There was a great story in 48 north where you should feed your salad to the head.
The oil lubricates it and the vinegar breaks down the urine build up.
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Subject: RE: [caborico] New Member taking ownership of a new Cabo Rico Northeast 400
Thanks!
That’s weird as mine has a swim platform.
The survey found nothing but a little Gel coat repair on the cabin.
I hope to have her in a few weeks.
I had all new zincs put on and this boat too has a owner installed zinc at the bottom of the rudder fin.
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Norris/Karen
Sorry for the delay.
There are two zincs on the transom - you can just see them on this shot of 'Briez'. I also bolted another small one onto the rudder heel fitting too. Although this item seems to be bonded (there is a cable under the engine which disappears down into the skeg) I found that there was some evidence of pitting on the heel fitting when I bought the boat at just two years old. My additional zinc seems to have cured that. Other than that, the engine is bonded but there is no separate bonding to the shaft - worth remembering if you ever introduce a flexible coupling of any sort, and I think there is a bonding wire down to the keel bolts (quite separate to the lightning conductors)
As to why it's called the 400 - I guess it sounded better than the Northeast 37+ which is how the model was first advertised. She's only 37' on the deck, about 42' with the bowsprit, but our harbor master insists on charging me 44' 6" on account of the dinghy in the davits :-)
Did you get a good survey report?
Keith
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Norris Palmer
Thank you Keith,
I saw the strangest rig on a cabo rico 400 in yachtworld.
It was called I believe a unirig.
Is she in our group?
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From: "Norris Palmer" <4pa...@centurytel.net>
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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2012 15:45
Thank you Keith,
I saw the strangest rig on a cabo rico 400 in yachtworld.
It was called I believe a unirig.
Is she in our group?
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Norris,
I think all except ours were sold with the swim platform as standard. Briez was unusual as she was the only one shipped to the UK for the dealers (Victoria Marine - long since defunct) to rig and install various systems. They never specified a swim platform - and actually we find it very convenient to step straight from dinghy through the transom door.
Glad your survey has come up good. My only complaint over the last ten years or so has also been to do with the longevity of the cabin top gelcoat..
Enjoy!
Keith
Frankly I was amazed and would have been sceptical if someone else had told me this. As I recall the Yanmar rep. told me that cheap brands of anti-freeze have much higher levels of silicate in them than decent brands. Have a look at page 4 of the following link which seems to confirm the same: http://ldmarineservice..com/files/yanmar_bulletins.pdf
I appreciate it's a different engine to yours, but it might be worth a try :-)
Best wishes,
Keith Laker
'Briez' NE400-14
On 17 Nov 2012, at 12:18, Capn_Earl <mike.e...@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm looking for advice about a stubborn overheating problem on my 1996 Universal M-50. Engine runs at about 165 degrees until I push it into it's 2,000-2500 RPM range, then it overheats starting at 180 degrees. (It will sit at dock in neutral and run 2000-2500 without a problem, it is just when it is under load that it overheats.)
I've addressed the usual suspects: impeller, thermostat, tightened belt, cleaned the heat exchanger, coolant is topped off, verified water flow from the seacock through to the exhaust elbow, inspected elbow (there was corrosion built up and had to dislodge it). I have not replaced the sensor but thought it was at least reading different temp levels and reporting them, but... My next step is getting someone with a heat gun to shoot some temps.
Any other ideas?
Capn_Earl
Voyager CR38
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Keith Laker
Not that I'm aware of. There was one NE400 built with a Carbospars Aerorig. I know nothing of the details, but Carbospars ultimately went bust: there's quite a lot uncomplimentary comments out there regarding their build quality.
Thank you Keith,
I saw the strangest rig on a cabo rico 400 in yachtworld.
It was called I believe a unirig.
Is she in our group?
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Norris Palmer
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Norris Palmer
Kind of a cool idea but how does it stay up without shrouds?
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Keith Laker
Kind of a cool idea but how does it stay up without shrouds?
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ew. I've seen that rig before on other boats. Never heard anything good about it.
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