Boise's local changes
Bob Sutterfield
Of particular interest is this bit near the end: "A parallel effort to amend state law and allow cars to cross a double yellow line to safely pass bikes is expected to go before the Legislature in the next few months." That's common practice of (so far as I know) ambiguous legality in California. Is there any consideration being given to such an idea here?
Jason Meggs
double yellow lines be duly considered.
One case worth mentioning: I've seen a bicyclist cited for barely
passing over a double yellow line in California (the cyclist crossed
into a clear oncoming traffic lane briefly, for safety, to a distance
from the lines equivalent to a fraction of the width of a car tire).
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Peter Rathmann
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Of particular interest is this bit near the end: "A parallel effort to amend state law and allow cars to cross a double yellow line to safely pass bikes is expected to go before the Legislature in the next few months." That's common practice of (so far as I know) ambiguous legality in California. Is there any consideration being given to such an idea here?
Bob Shanteau
> Both the 3-foot minimum passing distance and relaxing the current
> prohibition on crossing a double-yellow were part of the bill proposed
> a couple years ago by Assemblyman Nava. See:
> <http://www.thefreelibrary.com/MEASURE+WOULD+GIVE+CYCLISTS+MORE+PROTECTION+BILL+AIMS+FOR+3-FOOT+...-a0158605605>
What group sponsored that bill? Did CABO take a position? Why did that
bill not pass?
Bob Shanteau
Mark Sapiro
The bill was a reaction to a cyclist's being killed (IIRC) by a passing
truck. I'm sure there was discussion of it on the Topica CABOForum
list at the time, but I can't find it in the Topica archives.
It may have been promoted by the Ventura or Santa Barbara County bike
coalition.
The section on passing over a double line only allowed crossing a
double line into a two-way left turn lane and was ammended out early
leaving only the 3 ft. minimum clearance. The author withdrew his
support and the bill died in committee. The bill's text and history
are at
<http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=ab_60&sess=PREV&house=A&author=nava>
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Mark Sapiro <ma...@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Ralph Fertig
Nava's 3-foot passing bill died in committee after opposition from
the CHP. The impetus indeed came from the death of a Univ of
California Santa Barbara triathlete who was on a training ride on a
mountain road, and was sideswiped by truck pulling a trailer. The
driver passed Kendra Payne, then cut it too close. I know that Nava
introduced his bill twice, apparently with some differences, but am
not sure of the details.
SInce then, more states & municipalities have passed at 3-foot law
(Indianapolis is the newest), & law enforcement seem to have no
trouble with it.
~~ Ralph Fertig, President
~~ Santa Barbara Bicycle Coalition
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Dan Gutierrez
To all,
What is appalling to me is that Idaho and 32 other states allow local regulation of bicycle operation. All it takes is for a few city council members to have a prejudice, and bicyclists lose their road rights. Far more cities repress cycling than protect cyclists rights, and Boise is an exemplary case in point.
Idaho as a state, has a FTR law and a TAR (Two Abreast Restriction law with the impeding traffic clause), Boise has a FTR law (with different exceptions than the state law), and a MBL and MSP law not required by the state vehicle codes, as well as the TAR law. Even if Idaho had great laws, giving local jurisdiction express authority to regulate bicycle operation, nullifies any benefits that good state laws confer, and often produces much stricter regulation.
Be thankful that California has uniform regulation, or there would be many cities with laws worse even than Boise, given the proposals I’ve seen made by city council members in CA cities, who didn’t know about CVC 21 until CABO told them they couldn’t regulate bicycle operation.
Local regulation is nothing short of scandalous…
Imagine if CA had local regulation; and would not allow uniformity, then to make the laws non-discriminatory, we would literally need, in reactive fashion, to fight each new discriminatory muni-code that came along. Clearly a Sisyphean labor…
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