One-trip permit
Jay Riddle
When I had to move my unregistered Toyota from Massachusetts to
California, I was pleased to learn that I didn't have to register the
car in Mass. just to drive it across country. California DMV provided
me with a temporary "one-trip" permit to drive the car. It cost $10 and
the only requirement was that I drive the car directly from
Massachusetts to California (I'm not sure how they can enforce this
unless they catch me in Floria or something). The one trip permit makes
no note of the user's drivers license number, nor does it identify the
vehicle in any way.
I need to drive across country again in a couple months. I have a valid
drivers license in both Massachusetts and California, but my car is
registered in California, and I've got WAY too many speeding tickets on
my California record.
Now my question: If I take off my California plates and affix the
one-trip permit, AND leave my California license at home, will speeding
tickets have any way to find their way to my California records?? I
don't think so! Because I actually expect to get a ticket or two on
this trip, I may just try this. If I get pulled over, I simply say I'm
driving this unregistered car from California, point out my permit, and
produce my Massachusetts license. If I get a ticket, it will go on my
Massachusetts record, which doesn't really affect me because I don't
register my cars there, and I buy insurance in California.
Has anybody tried this? Can somebody point out a flaw with this idea?
Joel Garry
I wonder if you really have a "valid" license in Massachusetts.
The other flaw is you said it on usenet!
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Joel Garry
I left out the next line, which was to say, see risks issue 18.83 on
MA computer glitches with drivers licenses.
Guy Daugherty
> When I had to move my unregistered Toyota from Massachusetts to
> California, I was pleased to learn that I didn't have to register the
> car in Mass. just to drive it across country. California DMV provided
> me with a temporary "one-trip" permit to drive the car. It cost $10 and
To drive the car in California. Only.
> the only requirement was that I drive the car directly from
> Massachusetts to California (I'm not sure how they can enforce this
> unless they catch me in Floria or something). The one trip permit makes
> no note of the user's drivers license number, nor does it identify the
> vehicle in any way.
Nor does it have any effect outside California. If you're stopped
in Nevada (etc), they may impound your vehicle and hold it until you
pay
_their_ registration fees.
>
> I need to drive across country again in a couple months. I have a valid
> drivers license in both Massachusetts and California, but my car is
Not once you're stopped, you don't. California will invalidate
your license when they discover you're licensed in another state.
> registered in California, and I've got WAY too many speeding tickets on
> my California record.
Which Massachusetts may know of- I'm not sure if they have
reciprocity with CA; owing to the nationwide popularity of MIT and
other schools, it's likely they do.
>
> Now my question: If I take off my California plates and affix the
An unplated car will be run by VIN.
> one-trip permit, AND leave my California license at home, will speeding
> tickets have any way to find their way to my California records?? I
> don't think so! Because I actually expect to get a ticket or two on
> this trip, I may just try this. If I get pulled over, I simply say I'm
> driving this unregistered car from California, point out my permit, and
> produce my Massachusetts license. If I get a ticket, it will go on my
> Massachusetts record, which doesn't really affect me because I don't
> register my cars there, and I buy insurance in California.
Pack bail money.
>
> Has anybody tried this? Can somebody point out a flaw with this idea?
Numerous, most serious is probably misrepresenting fact to a
law enforcement officer. They just don't have much sense of humor
anymore.
Jay Riddle
> When I had to move my unregistered Toyota from Massachusetts to
> California, I was pleased to learn that I didn't have to register the
> car in Mass. just to drive it across country. California DMV provided
> me with a temporary "one-trip" permit to drive the car. It cost $10 and
To drive the car in California. Only.
No, it doesn't say anything about California. Last time when I told DMV
I had to drive the car from Massachusetts, they gave me the one trip
permit for that purpose, so it's valid out of state.
> the only requirement was that I drive the car directly from
> Massachusetts to California (I'm not sure how they can enforce this
> unless they catch me in Floria or something). The one trip permit makes
> no note of the user's drivers license number, nor does it identify the
> vehicle in any way.
Nor does it have any effect outside California. If you're
stopped
in Nevada (etc), they may impound your vehicle and hold it until you
pay
_their_ registration fees.
I was stopped (Colorado, I think) and didn't have any problem. I was
given a speeding ticket, and the "serial number" of the one-trip permit
was used as the registration on the ticket. However, the DMV makes no
record of this number when they hand you the permit, it's just stamped
on there, so it never showed up!
>
> I need to drive across country again in a couple months. I have a valid
> drivers license in both Massachusetts and California, but my car is
Not once you're stopped, you don't. California will invalidate
your license when they discover you're licensed in another state.
How's the CHP (this assumes I'm stopped in California) going to know I'm
licensed in California without a plate to run? The only way I can see
them able to track it is by VIN. Frankly, I'll be quite surprised if
the "invalidate" my license. What if I spend equal time in two states
that have identical policies? Will both states invalidate the other
state's driver's liscence? I doubt it.
> registered in California, and I've got WAY too many speeding tickets on
> my California record.
Which Massachusetts may know of- I'm not sure if they have
reciprocity with CA; owing to the nationwide popularity of MIT and
other schools, it's likely they do.
Who cares if Massachusetts knows? The only time they get you on tickets
is when you register the car there (I don't register there), get
insurance (already got some in CA), or apply for a licence renewal
(don't need to do that for another 4 years).
>
> Now my question: If I take off my California plates and affix the
An unplated car will be run by VIN.
And, IF it is CHP, they will find my California license number and start
asking questions about the Mass license. Ok, this may be a snag, but
only if I'm stopped in California. Good idea: I'll switch to the
temporary permit/Mass. license after I cross the California state line.
VIN will produce no match in other states, correct?
> one-trip permit, AND leave my California license at home, will speeding
> tickets have any way to find their way to my California records?? I
> don't think so! Because I actually expect to get a ticket or two on
> this trip, I may just try this. If I get pulled over, I simply say I'm
> driving this unregistered car from California, point out my permit, and
> produce my Massachusetts license. If I get a ticket, it will go on my
> Massachusetts record, which doesn't really affect me because I don't
> register my cars there, and I buy insurance in California.
Pack bail money.
I always carry my $5000 bail bond certificate from AAA :-) !! Thanks
for the refinements. If you can think of any other potential pitfalls,
please let me know. I think this will work!