California law and mounting a GPS on the inside of my windshield

[techman41973]

California changed the law on mounting a GPS unit on your windshield,
but the law still seems complicated and limits your options.

(12) A portable Global Positioning System (GPS), which may be mounted
in a seven-inch square in the lower corner of the windshield farthest
removed from the driver or in a five-inch square in the lower corner
of the windshield nearest to the driver and outside of an airbag
deployment zone, if the system is used only for door-to-door
navigation while the motor vehicle is being operated.
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc26708.htm
http://www.ehow.com/about_6513133_california-gps-windshield-law.html
http://www.ehow.com/facts_7419344_california-law-gps-window-locations.html

How many of you use a GPS device and mount it using a suction-cup
windshield mount? Where on the windshield do you mount your unit?
Have you ever been warned or fined by police? Thanks

[jgar the jorrible]

On Apr 12, 5:09 pm, techman41973 <techman41...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> California changed the law on mounting a GPS unit on your windshield,
> but the law still seems complicated and limits your options.
>
> (12) A portable Global Positioning System (GPS), which may be mounted
> in a seven-inch square in the lower corner of the windshield farthest
> removed from the driver or in a five-inch square in the lower corner
> of the windshield nearest to the driver and outside of an airbag
> deployment zone, if the system is used only for door-to-door
> navigation while the motor vehicle is being operated.
>  http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc26708.htm
>  http://www.ehow.com/about_6513133_california-gps-windshield-law.html

>  http://www.ehow.com/facts_7419344_california-law-gps-window-locations...

>
> How many of you use a GPS device and mount it using a suction-cup
> windshield mount? Where on the windshield do you mount your unit?
>  Have you ever been warned or fined by police? Thanks

Doesn't seem overly complicated to me. It's just saying it has to be
down in the corner, instead of in the middle of everything like some
idjits do it. Of course, I don't have one, mine are all built in or
in my phone.

Even with all the regulations, I still wind up at stoplights where I
can't see the light from a normal seating position. I can think of
one left turn lane where there is a sign for the other direction
traffic that blocks the view of the signal. (Where the black SUV is,
if I got the link right:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=vista+way+and+melrose,+vista,+ca&hl=en&ll=33.196395,-117.251842&spn=0.011025,0.022724&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=42.581364,93.076172&t=h&safe=active&hnear=W+Vista+Way+%26+Melrose+Plaza+Dr,+Vista,+San+Diego,+California+92083&z=16&layer=c&cbll=33.196395,-117.251842&panoid=w1V8si5uUKOeNa3JphEpsg&cbp=12,235.18,,0,0
)

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[Paul D. DeRocco]

> "techman41973" <techma...@yahoo.com> wrote

>
> (12) A portable Global Positioning System (GPS), which may be mounted
> in a seven-inch square in the lower corner of the windshield farthest
> removed from the driver or in a five-inch square in the lower corner
> of the windshield nearest to the driver and outside of an airbag
> deployment zone, if the system is used only for door-to-door
> navigation while the motor vehicle is being operated.

What does that last clause mean? That you can only mount the device there
while you're obeying turn-by-turn directions from the device, but can't
mount it there if you simply want to be able to look at a map and find your
own way?

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Paul mailto:pder...@ix.netcom.com

[Stephen H. Fischer]

Hi,

The wording says to me that only large delivery trucks will meet the
requirements. FedX, UPS, USPS ...

I have my GPS mounted below the windshield and it works well there. UMMV
(Delorme PN-60)

http://shop.delorme.com/OA_HTML/DELibeCCtpSctDspRte.jsp?section=10095

shows the gripper mount, I found a different base that the gripper mates
with and my Van Conversion shop mounted it to a air duct.

SHF

"Paul D. DeRocco" <pder...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:avOdnf9CTojQMhrS...@earthlink.com...

[Peter Lawrence]

On 4/12/12 5:09 PM, techman41973 wrote:
>
> California changed the law on mounting a GPS unit on your windshield,
> but the law still seems complicated and limits your options.

It's not complicated at all. You're allowed to mount your GPS on the lower
corner of your windshield (either side).

Of course if you're a solo driver, it doesn't really make sense to mount it
on the lower corner of the passenger side.


- Peter

[Holger Issle]

On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 21:56:39 -0700, Peter Lawrence wrote:

>Of course if you're a solo driver, it doesn't really make sense to mount it
>on the lower corner of the passenger side.

And the text says that a device is allowed in the lower left corner of
the windshield, given it is completely within a 5 inch range of that
corner? With other words, many combinations of flat-angled windshields
and devices are not legal, because even these are less than 5 inch
wide they will not fit in that range as the windshield is monuted flat
and the real corner can't be used.

On the other side: I was in California often enough and never had any
trouble with that.
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[Paul D. DeRocco]

> "Holger Issle" <Hol...@Issle.de> wrote

>
> And the text says that a device is allowed in the lower left corner of
> the windshield, given it is completely within a 5 inch range of that
> corner? With other words, many combinations of flat-angled windshields
> and devices are not legal, because even these are less than 5 inch
> wide they will not fit in that range as the windshield is monuted flat
> and the real corner can't be used.

Simple, just mount it on the outside.

[Gene E. Bloch]

On 4/12/2012, jgar the jorrible posted:

> On Apr 12, 5:09 pm, techman41973 <techman41...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> California changed the law on mounting a GPS unit on your windshield,
>> but the law still seems complicated and limits your options.
>>
>> (12) A portable Global Positioning System (GPS), which may be mounted
>> in a seven-inch square in the lower corner of the windshield farthest
>> removed from the driver or in a five-inch square in the lower corner
>> of the windshield nearest to the driver and outside of an airbag
>> deployment zone, if the system is used only for door-to-door
>> navigation while the motor vehicle is being operated.
>>  http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc26708.htm
>>  http://www.ehow.com/about_6513133_california-gps-windshield-law.html
>>  http://www.ehow.com/facts_7419344_california-law-gps-window-locations...
>>
>> How many of you use a GPS device and mount it using a suction-cup
>> windshield mount? Where on the windshield do you mount your unit?
>>  Have you ever been warned or fined by police? Thanks

> Doesn't seem overly complicated to me. It's just saying it has to be
> down in the corner, instead of in the middle of everything like some
> idjits do it. Of course, I don't have one, mine are all built in or
> in my phone.

> Even with all the regulations, I still wind up at stoplights where I
> can't see the light from a normal seating position. I can think of
> one left turn lane where there is a sign for the other direction
> traffic that blocks the view of the signal. (Where the black SUV is,
> if I got the link right:

[clipped long link because my newsreader semms to have mangled it :-)]

> jg

Suggestion: for long links, use http://tinyurl.com or http://bit.ly

The result is a couple of dozen characters long with no more worries.
The sites are easy to use.

Example: here's the tinyURL of your long link:
http://tinyurl.com/7s3b2cr

343 characters reduced to 26 and no clipping...

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

[Gene E. Bloch]

On 4/12/2012, Paul D. DeRocco posted:

I read it as "while the motor vehicle is being operated" don't use it
for anything other than "door-to-door navigation".

And while the motor vehicle is not being operated, no restrictions.

[Gene E. Bloch]

On 4/16/2012, Paul D. DeRocco posted:

>> "Holger Issle" <Hol...@Issle.de> wrote
>>
>> And the text says that a device is allowed in the lower left corner of
>> the windshield, given it is completely within a 5 inch range of that
>> corner? With other words, many combinations of flat-angled windshields
>> and devices are not legal, because even these are less than 5 inch
>> wide they will not fit in that range as the windshield is monuted flat
>> and the real corner can't be used.

> Simple, just mount it on the outside.

Best idea yet :-)

I use a rubberized pad with a GPS mount on it. I set it on top of the
dashboard to the right of the steering wheel, where it's easy to see
and doesn't block anything. It's legal, but it does vibrate a little.

[jgar the jorrible]

On Apr 19, 11:15 am, Gene E. Bloch <blochx...@someplace.invalid>
wrote:

> On 4/12/2012, jgar the jorrible posted:
>
>
>
>

> > jg
>
> Suggestion: for long links, usehttp://tinyurl.comorhttp://bit.ly

>
> The result is a couple of dozen characters long with no more worries.
> The sites are easy to use.
>
> Example: here's the tinyURL of your long link:http://tinyurl.com/7s3b2cr
>
> 343 characters reduced to 26 and no clipping...
>
> --
> Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

Some places block shorteners. Some funny people put in goatse.

jg
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[John David Galt]

> Example: here's the tinyURL of your long link:

No one in his right mind trusts URL shorteners, no matter who sent them.

[Gene E. Bloch]

On 4/20/2012, John David Galt posted:

>> Example: here's the tinyURL of your long link:

> No one in his right mind trusts URL shorteners, no matter who sent them.

You needn't trust - it's trivially easy to verify.

Of course, what you get is an expanded URL, just like the one you would
have seen in the absence of a tiny URL. But you still have to figure
out whether to trust the long version.

Basically, your remark was silly...

[Paul D. DeRocco]

> "John David Galt" <j...@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us> wrote

>
> No one in his right mind trusts URL shorteners, no matter who sent them.

With tinyurl, all you have to do is edit the URL and prepend "preview.",
e.g.,

http://preview.tinyurl.com/7s3b2cr

[jgar the jorrible]

How do you know someone won't change the redirect afterwards? Of
course, any domain could be poisoned/redirected/sold, but isn't it
less likely for a google than some effing LIBYAN domain‽

For those who missed it, slashdot started displaying the domain name
next to links in comments because of link abuse.

jg
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[Gene E. Bloch]

On 4/23/2012, jgar the jorrible posted:

> On Apr 20, 5:49 pm, Gene E. Bloch <blochx...@someplace.invalid> wrote:
>> On 4/20/2012, John David Galt posted:
>>
>>>> Example: here's the tinyURL of your long link:
>>> No one in his right mind trusts URL shorteners, no matter who sent them.
>>
>> You needn't trust - it's trivially easy to verify.
>>
>> Of course, what you get is an expanded URL, just like the one you would
>> have seen in the absence of a tiny URL. But you still have to figure
>> out whether to trust the long version.
>>
>> Basically, your remark was silly...
>>
>> --
>> Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

> How do you know someone won't change the redirect afterwards? Of
> course, any domain could be poisoned/redirected/sold, but isn't it
> less likely for a google than some effing LIBYAN domain‽

So stick to tinyURL, install some heavy duty AV software, and buy or
make a tinfoil hat.[1]

> For those who missed it, slashdot started displaying the domain name
> next to links in comments because of link abuse.

> jg

[1] Not sure how sarcastic I am really feeling (it's non-zero), but at
least I should thank you for the chance to generate the above remark
:-)

[jgar the jorrible]

'sOK, glad to be stimulating, Shirley. Copper mesh works better, btw.

jg
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[Gene E. Bloch]

Thanks for the tip about copper mesh. I'll be signing off now to go to
Home Depot :-)

[Hank J.]

techman41973 wrote:

> Have you ever been warned or fined by police? Thanks

I was pulled over for a different offense and warned
about the GPS.

It's an idiotic law, that I can't find in any other state
than in the RepubliK of Kalifornia.


--
"Never tell the truth to people who are not worthy of it." (Twain)

[The Real Bev]

On 03/04/2013 10:31 AM, Hank J. wrote:

> techman41973 wrote:
>
>> Have you ever been warned or fined by police? Thanks
>
> I was pulled over for a different offense and warned
> about the GPS.
>
> It's an idiotic law, that I can't find in any other state
> than in the RepubliK of Kalifornia.

You can put it in a 7" square on the lower corner (can't remember which
one) of your windshield. Stupid, it blocks vision there. I'd stick it
high up where it wouldn't get in the way of anything except low-flying
helicopters and airplanes, but as it is I just set it on the console
where I can't see it at all :-(


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[Bert]

In news:kh2pai$cdo$1...@news.albasani.net "Hank J."

<noemails...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> It's an idiotic law, that I can't find in any other state
> than in the RepubliK of Kalifornia.

Minnesota used to have one, but it was changed in 2009, adding this
exception:

(iv) global positioning systems or navigation systems when mounted or
located near the bottommost portion of the windshield;

--
be...@iphouse.com St. Paul, MN

[Bert]

In news:8rnhj852iqnh4lgcv...@4ax.com "Anthony R. Gold"
<not-fo...@ahjg.co.uk> wrote:

> Is "near" a defined term under Minnesota law?

Of course not; the laws are written by idiots, as in any other state.