I-405: Irvine as a control city
Mark F
with that hideous "Anaheim /" resigning on northbound CA 55? I wish
they would go back from Santa Ana to Los Angeles as the control city on
northbound I-5.
From the OC Register 10/28:
Irvine seeks equal billing with San Diego
Plan still needs approval from OCTA, along with federal and state
transportation officials.
By SEAN EMERY
THE ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER
IRVINE � Local leaders have taken the first step to adding the city's
name to the San Diego Freeway, backing changes to a dozen overhead signs
on the 405.
The Irvine City Council on Tuesday unanimously backed the creation of
new "Irvine/San Diego" destination signs on a southbound stretch of the
405 between the 710 Freeway in Long Beach and the city of Irvine. The
overhead destination signs serve to guide travelers embarking on long
car trips.
The new signs still have a long road to travel for final approval, but
Irvine leaders believe the change would reflect the community's status
as a major employer, its high-profile academic institutions such as UC
Irvine and its variety of entertainment and recreational opportunities.
Irvine City Manager Sean Joyce said the sign change was first proposed
by several Orange County Transportation Authority board members, who
wanted to gauge the city's support before their own vote. The plan would
also require the approval of federal and state transportation agencies,
so Joyce said the change would likely not happen anytime soon.
Joyce also stressed that the plan would not have a fiscal impact for
either Irvine or OCTA, since Irvine's name would be added once the old
signs are scheduled to be replaced.
Caltrans spokesman Allen Shahood said it is common for legislators to
ask for changes on signs adjacent to the freeway, for example dedicating
portions of the roadway to fallen police officers or firefighters. But
Shahood said it was far less common for changes to be made to the
overhead destination signs.
"It is just a long process due to all the steps they have to go
through," Shahood said.
Freeway routes include the same city on the overhead signs to provide
continuity for the passing motorists. More than one city can be
spotlighted on the signs, however, if two destinations of similar
importance are served by the same route, according to Irvine staff
reports.
Irvine Mayor Sukhee Kang earlier in the week expressed his enthusiasm
for the sign change.
"Personally, I would welcome the opportunity," Kang said. "More than a
recognition, it is an identification for a city of our size, and the
importance of a major job center and great educational institutions."
larry_scholnick
> Does this mean Caltrans will add "Irvine /" to the signs like they did
> with that hideous "Anaheim /" resigning on northbound CA 55? I wish
> they would go back from Santa Ana to Los Angeles as the control city on
> northbound I-5.
>
San Diego - population 1.3 million (2nd largest in CA)
Irvine - population 207,500
Source: http://www.citypopulation.de/USA-California.html
Sounds fair as long as other cities over 200K but not in the top 10
(Los Angeles, San Diego, San Jose, San Francisco, Fresno, Sacramento,
Long Beach, Oakland, Santa Ana, Anaheim, Bakersfield-321K) are treated
similarly:
Riverside - 295K
Stockton - 287K
Chula Vista - 219K
(Irvine - 207.5K)
Fremont - 203K
Modesto - 203K
I can just see adding Stockton to signs along I-5, and adding both
Modesto and Stockton to signs along CA-99.
And then we'll start hearing from all of the CA cities over 100K:
San Bernardino - 198.5K
Huntington Beach - 192.5K
Moreno Valley - 191K
Glendale - 187K
Fontana - 185K
Oxnard - 186K
Ontario - 171.5K
Rancho Cucamonga - 171K
Garden Grove - 166K
Santa Rosa - 156K
Pomona - 152.5K
Corona - 150K
Lancaster - 145.5K
Salinas - 143.5K
Palmdale - 143K
Pasadena - 143K
Hayward - 142K
Torrance - 141K
Escondido - 137K
Orange - 136K
Elk Grove - 133K
Sunnyvale - 132K
Fullerton - 132K
Thousand Oaks - 123K
El Monte - 122K
Concord - 121K
Visalia - 121K
Simi Valley - 120.5K
Vallejo - 115K
Inglewood - 113K
Roseville - 112.5K
Victorville - 110K
Santa Clara - 110K
Costa Mesa - 110K
Downey - 107.5K
West Covina - 106K
Fairfield - 104K
Ventura - 104K
Norwalk - 103K
Burbank - 102K
Daly City - 101.5K
Berkeley - 101K
Antioch - 100K
In fact, any city larger than Santa Monica (87.5K) might petition for
inclusion.
Patrick Scheible
> Last time on ca.driving, larry_scholnick <larry_s...@yahoo.com>
> said:
>
> >On Oct 28, 9:06�pm, Mark F <m...@remove2reply.cox.net> wrote:
> >> Does this mean Caltrans will add "Irvine /" to the signs like they did
> >> with that hideous "Anaheim /" resigning on northbound CA 55? �I wish
> >> they would go back from Santa Ana to Los Angeles as the control city on
> >> northbound I-5.
> >>
> >Hmmm...
> >San Diego - population 1.3 million (2nd largest in CA)
> >Irvine - population 207,500
> >Source: http://www.citypopulation.de/USA-California.html
> >
> >Sounds fair as long as other cities over 200K but not in the top 10
>
> Population isn't the only factor. Irvine is a major employment center
> with lots of corporate headquarters; no doubt there are a lot of
> visitors to the area driving down from LAX and trying to find their
> way here.
And they don't have mapquest?
Trying to put too much information on a sign results in drivers not
being able to take in any of it. Or maybe they slow down and risk
getting rearended.
-- Patrick
Steve Sobol
@m7g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, larry_s...@yahoo.com says...
> Hmmm...
> San Diego - population 1.3 million (2nd largest in CA)
> Irvine - population 207,500
> Source: http://www.citypopulation.de/USA-California.html
What's so special about Irvine that it merits being a control city?
> Sounds fair as long as other cities over 200K but not in the top 10
> (Los Angeles, San Diego, San Jose, San Francisco, Fresno, Sacramento,
> Long Beach, Oakland, Santa Ana, Anaheim, Bakersfield-321K) are treated
> similarly:
>
> Riverside - 295K
Riverside IS the control city for CA-91 eastbound. Also CA-60.
Anaheim SHOULD be the control city for westbound CA-91, for reasons that
have nothing to do with population.
> I can just see adding Stockton to signs along I-5, and adding both
> Modesto and Stockton to signs along CA-99.
>
> And then we'll start hearing from all of the CA cities over 100K:
>
> San Bernardino - 198.5K
> Huntington Beach - 192.5K
> Moreno Valley - 191K
> Glendale - 187K
> Fontana - 185K
> Escondido - 137K
> Orange - 136K
> Elk Grove - 133K
*cough*
Victorville. 107K.
:)
--
Steve Sobol, Victorville, California, USA
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Ralph Herman
(in article <9nkke5d7q8ov6uv52...@4ax.com>):
> Last time on ca.driving, Steve Sobol <sjs...@JustThe.net> said:
>
>> In article <bdc8783b-8e22-4494-8adf-f36413387ee1
>> @m7g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, larry_s...@yahoo.com says...
>>
>>> Hmmm...
>>> San Diego - population 1.3 million (2nd largest in CA)
>>> Irvine - population 207,500
>>> Source: http://www.citypopulation.de/USA-California.html
>>
>>
>> What's so special about Irvine that it merits being a control city?
>
> What's so special about *any* control city?
>
> Irvine is certainly more deserving than Anaheim or Santa Ana. :)
Anaheim is certainly more well known, Disneyland, Honda Center and Angels
Stadium. Well known out of state and throughout California.
Santa Ana is the county seat of Orange County and a very major freeway
junction.
Irvine is a bunch of offices, UCI and a lot of rich folks with a city council
that is trying to get some free PR on Caltrans' dime.
Ralph
Larry Sheldon
> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:45:31 -0700, Scott in SoCal wrote
> (in article <9nkke5d7q8ov6uv52...@4ax.com>):
>
>> Last time on ca.driving, Steve Sobol <sjs...@JustThe.net> said:
>>
>>> In article <bdc8783b-8e22-4494-8adf-f36413387ee1
>>> @m7g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, larry_s...@yahoo.com says...
>>>
>>>> Hmmm...
>>>> San Diego - population 1.3 million (2nd largest in CA)
>>>> Irvine - population 207,500
>>>> Source: http://www.citypopulation.de/USA-California.html
>>>
>>> What's so special about Irvine that it merits being a control city?
>> What's so special about *any* control city?
>>
>> Irvine is certainly more deserving than Anaheim or Santa Ana. :)
>
> Anaheim is certainly more well known, Disneyland, Honda Center and Angels
> Stadium. Well known out of state and throughout California.
>
> Santa Ana is the county seat of Orange County and a very major freeway
> junction.
When it was built (when I was a wee lad and lived in SoCal, there was a
Santa Ana Freeway. And Irvine was a Cattle ranch. Boy Scout Jamboree
there one year.
> Irvine is a bunch of offices, UCI and a lot of rich folks with a city council
> that is trying to get some free PR on Caltrans' dime.
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Steve Sobol
scotte...@yahoo.com says...
> >> Hmmm...
> >> San Diego - population 1.3 million (2nd largest in CA)
> >> Irvine - population 207,500
> >> Source: http://www.citypopulation.de/USA-California.html
> >
> >
> >What's so special about Irvine that it merits being a control city?
>
> What's so special about *any* control city?
>
> Irvine is certainly more deserving than Anaheim or Santa Ana. :)
Nah. Santa Ana is a county seat, and Anaheim is a major tourist
destination. Irvine? Not so much. :)
Steve Sobol
says...
> When it was built (when I was a wee lad and lived in SoCal, there was
a
> Santa Ana Freeway. And Irvine was a Cattle ranch. Boy Scout Jamboree
> there one year.
There still is a Santa Ana Freeway, and Irvine is still a cattle ranch.
Now it's just a cattle ranch with lots of office buildings. :)
Oh yeah, and the Verizon Wireless Ampitheater.
Cameron Kaiser
>Does this mean Caltrans will add "Irvine /" to the signs like they did
>with that hideous "Anaheim /" resigning on northbound CA 55? I wish
>they would go back from Santa Ana to Los Angeles as the control city on
>northbound I-5.
Yeah, I think that was one of Caltrans' worst signage moves. Multiple
control cities, if they go up at all, should go on separate lines.
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Steve Sobol
scotte...@yahoo.com says...
> I feel it's safe to say that there are more cattle within 25 miles of
> your house than there are within 25 miles of mine. :)
No cattle here, that I know of. But there is an ostrich farm in Apple
Valley.
jgar the jorrible
> Last time on ca.driving, Steve Sobol <sjso...@JustThe.net> said:
>
> >In article <7kv47cF39ve9...@mid.individual.net>, lfshel...@gmail.com
> >says...
>
> >> When it was built (when I was a wee lad and lived in SoCal, there was
> >a
> >> Santa Ana Freeway. And Irvine was a Cattle ranch. Boy Scout Jamboree
> >> there one year.
>
> >There still is a Santa Ana Freeway, and Irvine is still a cattle ranch.
>
> your house than there are within 25 miles of mine. :)
But it sure smells like it. It was so bad yesterday strangers were
talking about it on the transit center elevator.
You should have said 35 miles, then we could laugh about Norco. :-D
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Daniel T.
> Mark F <m...@remove2reply.cox.net> writes:
> >Does this mean Caltrans will add "Irvine /" to the signs like they did
> >with that hideous "Anaheim /" resigning on northbound CA 55? I wish
> >they would go back from Santa Ana to Los Angeles as the control city on
> >northbound I-5.
>
> Yeah, I think that was one of Caltrans' worst signage moves. Multiple
> control cities, if they go up at all, should go on separate lines.
>
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Not to mention that, when they're on one line with a slash
Anaheim/Riverside
But when they are on two lines, there's still a slash!
Anaheim/
Riverside
And of course, CA-55 doesn't actually go to the part of Anaheim an out-
of-towner would want.
Steve Sobol
scotte...@yahoo.com says...
> Compare:
>
> http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=dairy+farm+victorville&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&fp=30613e8da7af550
>
> to:
>
> http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=dairy+farm+irvine&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&fp=30613e8da7af550
>
> :)
>
> Basically all the cattle that USED TO BE on the coastal ranchos 50
> years ago moved inland when the land became too valuable for ranching
> and was developed for housing.
Hm. Now, let's talk facts. Look at the phone numbers.
760-253 is Barstow.
760-388 is Yermo or Fort Irwin, I forget which.
909-864... who knows, but anything in 909 is at least 30-45 minutes from
Victorville.
Barstow and Yermo are further out and much more rural than Victorville
is, thank you very much. :)
Larry Sheldon
> 909-864... who knows, but anything in 909 is at least 30-45 minutes from
> Victorville.
Greater metropolitan Highland.
Steve Sobol
says...
>
> Steve Sobol wrote:
>
> > 909-864... who knows, but anything in 909 is at least 30-45 minutes from
> > Victorville.
>
> Greater metropolitan Highland.
Highland? That's not a rural area, it's a suburb of San Bernardino.
Larry Sheldon
> In article <7l3b9hF...@mid.individual.net>, lfsh...@gmail.com
> says...
>> Steve Sobol wrote:
>>
>>> 909-864... who knows, but anything in 909 is at least 30-45 minutes from
>>> Victorville.
>> Greater metropolitan Highland.
>
> Highland? That's not a rural area, it's a suburb of San Bernardino.
Steve Sobol
says...
> > Highland? That's not a rural area, it's a suburb of San Bernardino.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ycwsudg
Cute. I didn't google the AC/prefix because finding out exactly where it
is wasn't important to me.